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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:47:00 -
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Gee, you wouldn't be a gatecamper, would ya?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:47:00 -
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No one could have an insta to every spot in the galaxy. But you could have the one most important to you.
I think one of the great things in MMOs is trade offs and hard decisions.
Every one could have an insta route from high sec to their favorite regions still. But it would graty cut server load.
One nice thing about this is CCP could also add some actual game support for the insta system if it was no longer a server drag.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Norma Stitz
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:50:00 -
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Because it would take more resources enforcing it than current bm problem.
Next question?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:53:00 -
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Huh? How would that take more resources? I thought the problem was that people had 1000s of bookmarks which takes a lot of server work to load.
And I am the farthest thing from a camper - see my other post this page to make that clear.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:55:00 -
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Yeah, the problem is that bm:s are taking most of the ItemID:s, nothing else.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:58:00 -
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Well if they introducedd support for limited instas couldnt they give them all standardized IDs for each gate?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:05:00 -
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There have been 2 good suggestions (imo, of course) how to solve bookmarks...
1) Corp bookmarks that are shared amongst its members.
2) Warp to 0km option combined with ccp deleting all bookmarks in the same grid as gates.
I think both 1 and 2 should be implemented. Your suggestion is just a workaround...I dont understand the reasons for not solving the bookmark problem NOW instead of after several years. They will have to solve it sooner or later.
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Big Al
Roving Band of Bunnies
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:21:00 -
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They should sponser a BM buyback, i suspect it would be nearly as effective as all those gun buybacks they do here in the states!
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Dukath
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dukath on 27/08/2006 18:24:17
I'd rather have them do this:
1) fix bookmarks to anchored objects (station, moon, asteroid, secure cargo can, etc)
2) make it impossible to anchor a can in the same grid as a gate or station
3) remove all bookmarks with 1 month warning so people can go anchor a can at their important safespots, ships caches.
When the object a bookmark is linked to gets destroyed then the bookmark is destroyed too.
Edit: forgot 4)
4) enforce the anchor skill to have max 5 objects anchored per level
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:27:00 -
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Jim.
Well my suggestion alows people to have some BMs for the original reasons such as marking cans as well as safespots.
Aas well as allowing some instas.
But it doesnt turn all warp gates into instas.
Plus its very simple.
I actually have a far bigger proposal that involve modules and skill to creat instas that would be on saved on an equipavle item and be tradable but not copiable. But that would be far more work to impliment.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:28:00 -
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Dukath has a nice idea - but the state of the game really requires some instas.
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Patch Esquire
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:50:00 -
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Instas are daft- they take away from the whole "sub-light speeds matter when traveling" and "you an still get got while travelling" aspects of the game, by making most ships imimpossible to target between warping and gating.
Best way to disable people's instas, imo: make it so you warp to within 15km of the BM in any direction: 15km past it, 15km above it, 15km off to the side of it, al nice and random. That way an Insta BM would be just as likely to deposit you 30km from a gate as right on top of it.
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Nash Wraithwind
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:55:00 -
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Maybe I'm just out of it, but it seems to me that there is a pretty obvious solution. Since people seem content with the current system, except for the fact that we have to copy instas all the time and generally use a ton of resources for them, it would be a good idea to reproduce the curent system without the instas.
Clicking an object and selecting "warp to" would warp to 0km (or maybe 1 so everyone doesn't get stuck on things) while autopilot does the customary 15km crawl to each point. As I see it this is the system we have now without having to deal with instas at all. Everybody's happy.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:04:00 -
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Well it seems CCP and much of the general populace want to throw pirates a bone by letting them gank newbs and dummies who cant figure out instas.
To be honest it makes no sense.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Nash Wraithwind
Maybe I'm just out of it, but it seems to me that there is a pretty obvious solution. Since people seem content with the current system, except for the fact that we have to copy instas all the time and generally use a ton of resources for them, it would be a good idea to reproduce the curent system without the instas.
Clicking an object and selecting "warp to" would warp to 0km (or maybe 1 so everyone doesn't get stuck on things) while autopilot does the customary 15km crawl to each point. As I see it this is the system we have now without having to deal with instas at all. Everybody's happy.
That only deals with half of the problem of instas.
(1) Travel times. If instas were removed, the game would just take far too long to move around. Your solution solves this problem.
(2) Evading enemies at gates. Allowing warp-to-0km universally would make it outright impossible to gank anyone at a gate, which it shouldn't be. This is the tricky bit.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:12:00 -
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why not a 0km warp to button, but let us use bubbles in lowsec 
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Nash Wraithwind
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
That only deals with half of the problem of instas.
(1) Travel times. If instas were removed, the game would just take far too long to move around. Your solution solves this problem.
(2) Evading enemies at gates. Allowing warp-to-0km universally would make it outright impossible to gank anyone at a gate, which it shouldn't be. This is the tricky bit.
It doesn't do any such thing. We currently have a system in which instas allow warping to 0km with some extra busy-work to acquire them. I admit that I yet have no knowledge firsthand of 0.0 space, but from what I hear you either have instas, or you die. Therefore this system just gives everyone instas without hogging resources or time. You still get your ganking on the lazy people on autopilot.
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Uggster
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:23:00 -
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Gates and stations (not POS's or player outposts) should move.
15k - 25k per month.
This would mean that those people that continually use that part of space or pipe route would have to constantly update thier BM's and discard the inacurate ones.
For example, I have a BM set around Fountain space, I have not been their since the dawn of creation but I'll not get rid of them cos I know if I do go back they will work perfectly now as then.
This means I have at least 250 odd BM's right there thats taking up space.
The nature of Eve right now requires BM (esspecally if you lead gangs/fleets etc) but they should be made to be relevant to your current situation.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: JoeT
why not a 0km warp to button, but let us use bubbles in lowsec
We've been suggesting that for months; in fact, let them be used in highsec, but if you snare anyone except a war-target you should be Concordificated.
As a corollary, warp bubbles need to be configurable, so you can set them to stop:
- only people you're at war with
- only people who are -5 security status
- anyone not in your corp/alliance/gang
and so on. And if your bubble stops anyone whom attacking should cause you to be sentrygunned or Concorded, that should happen immediately.
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Alberta
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dukath
*snip*
4) enforce the anchor skill to have max 5 objects anchored per level
I'm curious as to how you see that one working out with POS. 
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Kyrkov
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:21:00 -
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They should just put the warp to 0 km option there, everyone has instants anyways, it would change nothing.
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fairimear
Gallente
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:39:00 -
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As a membe rof S.A.S it's fair to say i do a fair bit of gate camping and roaming.
being a roamer and camper it's fair to say i expericance both being camped and doing camping.
the situation in eve atm is that every 1. Including my corp will not move around without bm's.
OFC this is a result of people like me also camping, and ofc camping is because people travel in places we dont want them to.
SO we have the basic fact its a nastie circle we can't fix.
however bm's are now causing me unrelated heahaches.
having like 19k bm's means people and places loads slow as hell.
great if you in a already packed system and need to find some 1 to mail.
then you have making non-insta bms, it takes like 4min to load and make 1.
the fact is instas are so wide spread we all have them and gate campers use em as much as any 1 else.
it's just time they done away with all bm's totaly reset them and put a 0km warp in.
it will do nothing but make life simpler for every 1.
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Daniel Jackson
Caldari
Azule Wolves
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:48:00 -
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howabout just making Instas Client side insted of server side
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
As a membe rof S.A.S it's fair to say i do a fair bit of gate camping and roaming.
being a roamer and camper it's fair to say i expericance both being camped and doing camping.
the situation in eve atm is that every 1. Including my corp will not move around without bm's.
OFC this is a result of people like me also camping, and ofc camping is because people travel in places we dont want them to.
SO we have the basic fact its a nastie circle we can't fix.
however bm's are now causing me unrelated heahaches.
having like 19k bm's means people and places loads slow as hell.
great if you in a already packed system and need to find some 1 to mail.
then you have making non-insta bms, it takes like 4min to load and make 1.
the fact is instas are so wide spread we all have them and gate campers use em as much as any 1 else.
it's just time they done away with all bm's totaly reset them and put a 0km warp in.
it will do nothing but make life simpler for every 1.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.27 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: JoeT
why not a 0km warp to button, but let us use bubbles in lowsec
We've been suggesting that for months; in fact, let them be used in highsec, but if you snare anyone except a war-target you should be Concordificated.
As a corollary, warp bubbles need to be configurable, so you can set them to stop:
- only people you're at war with
- only people who are -5 security status
- anyone not in your corp/alliance/gang
and so on. And if your bubble stops anyone whom attacking should cause you to be sentrygunned or Concorded, that should happen immediately.
Not a bad idea tbh, but the problem with this would be lowsec hauling - if a bubble is guaranteed to stop anyone in a 0.4 system that warps to that gate, sniping pirates will get 100% kills on the haulers. While being a  , I would personally love this idea, I won't deny that this could be game-breaking; at least with instas they'll have a chance of surviving, whereas with none they wouldn't live to make it to the other side.
Maybe allow interdictors to drop bubbles in lowsec? It would increase the value of 'dictors, and add risk to the attackers if their bubble snagged a neutral, flagged them, and had the sentries open up.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.27 21:49:00 -
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OP: The reason is simple - it doesn't solve the problems, only create a new and greater one.
The number one reason for people quitting EVE: travel times are too long.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.08.27 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
As a membe rof S.A.S it's fair to say i do a fair bit of gate camping and roaming.
being a roamer and camper it's fair to say i expericance both being camped and doing camping.
the situation in eve atm is that every 1. Including my corp will not move around without bm's.
OFC this is a result of people like me also camping, and ofc camping is because people travel in places we dont want them to.
SO we have the basic fact its a nastie circle we can't fix.
however bm's are now causing me unrelated heahaches.
having like 19k bm's means people and places loads slow as hell.
great if you in a already packed system and need to find some 1 to mail.
then you have making non-insta bms, it takes like 4min to load and make 1.
the fact is instas are so wide spread we all have them and gate campers use em as much as any 1 else.
it's just time they done away with all bm's totaly reset them and put a 0km warp in.
it will do nothing but make life simpler for every 1.
Pretty much. I'm not a fan of everyone being able to "insta" through gates, but given the ****-poorness of the current system, all this would do is sort out the issues which come from instas.
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2006.08.27 23:31:00 -
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I dont care how... as long as they are deleted Im happy.
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.08.27 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Esquire
Best way to disable people's instas, imo: make it so you warp to within 15km of the BM in any direction: 15km past it, 15km above it, 15km off to the side of it, al nice and random. That way an Insta BM would be just as likely to deposit you 30km from a gate as right on top of it.
By the same token, they could make "Warp to station/stargate" do the same thing, drop you 15 km in a sphere all around the warp point, and in this case I have a chance of going through a non-bubble blocade in 0.0, which would mean I don't absolutely need instas to survive in 0.0 (which is, in my oppinion, the case today).
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.27 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dukath
I'd rather have them do this:
1) fix bookmarks to anchored objects (station, moon, asteroid, secure cargo can, etc)
2) make it impossible to anchor a can in the same grid as a gate or station
3) remove all bookmarks with 1 month warning so people can go anchor a can at their important safespots, ships caches.
When the object a bookmark is linked to gets destroyed then the bookmark is destroyed too.
Edit: forgot 4)
4) enforce the anchor skill to have max 5 objects anchored per level
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