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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:42:00 -
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Are people really saying Eve's going to be destroyed because a covops can't cloak when locked?
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Cattraknoff
Caldari
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:43:00 -
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Idiots are rampant everywhere, even in EVE. 
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Malicious Wraith
The Dark Side of the Moon
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:46:00 -
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Heres the problem, not that I am complaining.
Prior to this patch, you can cloak while being locked.
With dragon deployment, you can still cloak while being locked, but their was a bug so that those locking you can shoot you, but you are still cloaked.
With the next patch, your cloak will break with their lock, so you can know they shoot at you.
Temporary or not? We shall never know.
Its just like the traffic queue thing.
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Pestillence
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Luigi Thirty
Are people really saying Eve's going to be destroyed because a covops can't cloak when locked?
They've thrown 3 howlers in, don't look at them in isolation.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:47:00 -
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No, EVE is going to be destroyed by developers who care about nothing but more features and expansion.
CCP is focused on China and new content at the moment.
They don't care that recon ships (clock + cyno problem) don't work, they don't care that the travel system is so broken that it requires meta gaming. They don't consider gang-invite spamming an exploit.
They don't even care if something is clearly broken, they make it a feature instead!
Developers are people that kill games, and when they stop worrying about quality and about how to make a quick buck (China, and more people on a server = more isk) the game goes downhill.
SWGs is a very good parallel.
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Cattraknoff
Caldari
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malicious Wraith
Edited by: Malicious Wraith on 30/08/2006 01:46:20
Heres the problem, not that I am complaining.
Prior to this patch, you can cloak while being locked.
With dragon deployment, you can still cloak while being locked, but their was a bug so that those locking you can shoot you, but you are still cloaked.
With the next patch, your cloak will break with their attempted locking, so you can know they shoot at you.
Temporary or not? We shall never know.
Its just like the traffic queue thing.
Only the traffic queue screws over 90% of pvp, this excludes gate camping, and campers must love it. Other than that, it really is a horrible change.
Covops change really isn't that bad.
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zibelthurdos
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Posted - 2006.08.30 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: zibelthurdos on 30/08/2006 02:34:05
Originally by: Malicious Wraith
Edited by: Malicious Wraith on 30/08/2006 01:46:20
Heres the problem, not that I am complaining.
Prior to this patch, you can cloak while being locked.
With dragon deployment, you can still cloak while being locked, but their was a bug so that those locking you can shoot you, but you are still cloaked.
With the next patch, your cloak will break with their attempted locking, so you can know they shoot at you.
Temporary or not? We shall never know.
Its just like the traffic queue thing.
actually, with dragon attempted target locks did stop cloaking, the problem was that it showed as cloaked to the covops pilot and uncloaked and locked to everyone else. which is what they are fixing.
and as i remember if someone managed to start locking you, you couldn't cloak before.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.30 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: zibelthurdos
as i remember if someone managed to start locking you, you couldn't cloak before.
You could.
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Borasao
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Posted - 2006.08.30 02:57:00 -
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From what I understand, before the big patch last week, if someone started to lock you and you started cloaking, if your cloak finished before the lock finished, you cloaked and the ship targeting you lost their locking action... you were invisible and now safe and you could run away.
Now, it seems that in the situation above, the change is that the locking action continues after you activate your cloak and, in fact, completes whether or not you are cloaked, and actually completing the lock uncloaks you.
Two very different outcomes. Since you can 'begin' the targeting process fairly fast, it means that once you uncloak, you are pretty much dead because *someone* will start targeting you and then you're locked, no matter what.
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BurnYaBad
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.30 04:33:00 -
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exactly correct, you are screwed as a covert because you WILL be targeted, this you are web/scrammed and killed before your slow recon can align.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.30 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: BurnYaBad
exactly correct, you are screwed as a covert because you WILL be targeted, this you are web/scrammed and killed before your slow recon can align.
So is this a bug?
Or is it a planned feature?
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DaReaper
Net 7
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.08.30 05:09:00 -
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btw, the line was removed formt he patch notes
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Imogen Alfa
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Posted - 2006.08.30 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: DaReaper
btw, the line was removed formt he patch notes
I can still see it, it's the last line under "Fixes" 
Btw, it's not just the covops affected by this, it's all the ships with a cloak, in particular stealth bombers which are supposed to use the cloak in combat. With this change they are pretty much dead meat against fast locking snipers.
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:19:00 -
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i dont know what the forums mods are doing right now... but there is like 30 topics on this... but i dont care because maybe with this many topics and people screaming at them they might see that we the people of eve do not want this at all.
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar
Originally by: BurnYaBad
exactly correct, you are screwed as a covert because you WILL be targeted, this you are web/scrammed and killed before your slow recon can align.
So is this a bug?
Or is it a planned feature?
It's a partial bugfix. They've managed to fix the problem of the covops ship not knowing it's been uncloaked by a lock. They have yet to fix the problem of uncompleted locks causing an uncloak.
And the forums are going up in flames over it because no-one bothers to read (or chooses not to believe) the dev response we've already had on the subject:
Originally by: kieron
The cloaking fix is the first part of a larger fix that will be coming in the near future.
So they do not consider the situation as completely fixed. Cloaking is not going to remain in it's current state.
But lets not let that get in the way of a good whine, eh 
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
So they do not consider the situation as completely fixed. Cloaking is not going to remain in it's current state.
People are actually whining because they know the rest of the fix is months away, if its even released at all. In the mean time we are stuck with another half working feature.
I really wish CCP would stop coming up with new content ideas and actually fix the existing content first. While were at it, how about actually completing the missions Exodus/RMR features?
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eLLioTT wave
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:52:00 -
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The fun part is moving 2 freighters through 0.0 with a fairly small escort, word of BoB and goonfleet in the near surrounding systems, and then to run into the queue at a gate :)
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Mini newswire
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:55:00 -
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I thought when covert ops came out that if u had started to lock a cloaking ship it wouldnt be able to cloak. This would mean that it has been bugged since release and everyone who didnt whine about oh noes the cloak ship i was targeting diserpeared it isnt supposed to do that and now sit back and smile. Finally the real bug has been fixed. All the spies who have followed me and told tales on me are now in trouble.
I for one am so happy this old bug has been fixed and that the coverts can be targeted. Go back and check the features on coverts this is how its supposed to be. Eve devs have fixed a bug celebrate.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:57:00 -
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We don't need another thread discussing these changes, there is allready one here.
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