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Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.11.24 09:18:21 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:CalMil did pretty good today from what I hear. Squids form up for ganking on gates all the time. Its a shame they only form for fights when someone is holding their hands. Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :)
SNUFF 'held our hands' but needed us to help them fight you? It's almost as if two groups who would each be outnumbered and outgunned by themselves went on a successful and well thought out joint op. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1179
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Posted - 2014.11.24 09:44:24 -
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Epikurus wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:CalMil did pretty good today from what I hear. Squids form up for ganking on gates all the time. Its a shame they only form for fights when someone is holding their hands. Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :) SNUFF 'held our hands' but needed us to help them fight you? It's almost as if two groups who would each be outnumbered and outgunned by themselves went on a successful and well thought out joint op.
I think thats exactly what i said, no? |

Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
46
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:32:44 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:CalMil did pretty good today from what I hear. Squids form up for ganking on gates all the time. Its a shame they only form for fights when someone is holding their hands. Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :) SNUFF 'held our hands' but needed us to help them fight you? It's almost as if two groups who would each be outnumbered and outgunned by themselves went on a successful and well thought out joint op. I think thats exactly what i said, no?
Same informational content but with the unnecessary and slightly incoherent sneering removed. I know it's second nature to you and you probably can't see when you're doing it after all this time but, no, not exactly the same. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1179
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:46:30 -
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Epikurus wrote:Same informational content but with the unnecessary and slightly incoherent sneering removed. I know it's second nature to you and you probably can't see when you're doing it after all this time but, no, not exactly the same.
Ironically, your use of the word 'incoherent' can not be accurately applied to my post. Maybe you meant a different word?
Also, pride is often a negative attribute. Therefor i was paying SNUFD a compliment in saying that they have non.
I think you are reading too much into my comment :) |

Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
46
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:22:15 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote:Same informational content but with the unnecessary and slightly incoherent sneering removed. I know it's second nature to you and you probably can't see when you're doing it after all this time but, no, not exactly the same. Ironically, your use of the word 'incoherent' can not be accurately applied to my post. Maybe you meant a different word? Also, pride is often a negative attribute. Therefor i was paying SNUFD a compliment in saying that they have non. I think you are reading too much into my comment :)
I qualified 'incoherent' with 'slightly' as your jabs don't quite add up. When you say that one group is 'hand holding' another it implies a one-way relationship of dependency, specifically evoking the dependency of a child on an adult. Yet at the same time you say that the group that was apparently doing the hand holding actually depended on the other group for their victory, which suggests a rather different relationship. Hence you were 'slightly incoherent' as the imagery of the two attempted insults didn't quite come together properly.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1179
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Posted - 2014.11.24 13:23:32 -
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Epikurus wrote: I qualified 'incoherent' with 'slightly' as your jabs don't quite add up. When you say that one group is 'hand holding' another it implies a one-way relationship of dependency, specifically evoking the dependency of a child on an adult. Yet at the same time you say that the group that was apparently doing the hand holding actually depended on the other group for their victory, which suggests a rather different relationship. Hence you were 'slightly incoherent' as the imagery of the two attempted insults didn't quite come together properly.
Except i didnt say cal mil needed their hands holding to gain a victory, i literally said they needed their hands holding to form a fighting fleet rather than an evasive camping / ganking one.
Saying squids need their hands held to reach victory would be inaccurate since their camping fleets do often kill the odd dude on a gate and run away from fights. Which would be a victory by their own conditions lol.
Problem is you are posting mad and have strawmaned my comment for like 2/3rds of a page now. |

London James
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.11.24 13:44:57 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote: I qualified 'incoherent' with 'slightly' as your jabs don't quite add up. When you say that one group is 'hand holding' another it implies a one-way relationship of dependency, specifically evoking the dependency of a child on an adult. Yet at the same time you say that the group that was apparently doing the hand holding actually depended on the other group for their victory, which suggests a rather different relationship. Hence you were 'slightly incoherent' as the imagery of the two attempted insults didn't quite come together properly.
Except i didnt say cal mil needed their hands holding to gain a victory, i literally said they needed their hands holding to form a fighting fleet rather than an evasive camping / ganking one. Saying squids need their hands held to reach victory would be inaccurate since their camping fleets do often kill the odd dude on a gate and run away from fights. Which would be a victory by their own conditions lol. Problem is you are posting mad and have strawmaned my comment for like 2/3rds of a page now.
I think before they make said fleet, they need to give this a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64 |

ISD LackOfFaith
isd community communications liaisons
1867
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:11:05 -
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Zen Lena
1
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:27:23 -
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The only smart ones to make out alive from the Galfed side was Bohica. As crap as the former Nulli group is, they are smart to use the rest of the Gallente plebs as a meatshield similar to the old SOTF days. It's a shame that some of the high SP groups like SPDR, JUSTC, and GMVA can't field something other than a full cheap ewar doctrine. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1179
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:51:55 -
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Cheap EWAR delivered us 40+ billion in SNUFD kills last week to 6bn in losses, which is after all the one reason they would have anything to do with calmil lol.. |
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Arla Sarain
132
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:56:45 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :)
If only GalMil wouldn't be too prideful to admit they have tons of numbers and are simply a bandwagon that everyone hops on for easy mode. So much for "we were the underdogs and then magic happened and we stopped being the underdogs" and "we don't like it easy, its just that everyone joins us and makes it easy; can't blame us for that!" when you can bring enough people to cover a significant pirate corp and your FW counterpart entirely. |

Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
379
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:04:20 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cheap EWAR delivered us 40+ billion in SNUFD kills last week to 6bn in losses, which is after all the one reason they would have anything to do with calmil lol..
That cheap ewar makes it not fun for us. :(
SNUFD -1 GalMil - 19ish
I would be mad if I was the most active and lethal corp in FW and was being used as meat shields by another corp. Two fights now everyone commits (well everyone except the WING of EWAR each squad focusing on 8 ships *wink wink) and you have one corp sitting safely off at extreme ranges in Ishtars and Domies as everyone else risks ships. :( |

Andrea Vauban
Aideron Robotics
0
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:30:26 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cheap EWAR delivered us 40+ billion in SNUFD kills last week to 6bn in losses, which is after all the one reason they would have anything to do with calmil lol.. That cheap ewar makes it not fun for us. :( SNUFD -1 GalMil - 19ish I would be mad if I was the most active and lethal corp in FW and was being used as meat shields by another corp. Two fights now everyone commits (well everyone except the WING of EWAR each squad focusing on 8 ships *wink wink) and you have one corp sitting safely off at extreme ranges in Ishtars and Domies as everyone else risks ships. :(
Admit it Dread, you miss us.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
379
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:37:54 -
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Andrea Vauban wrote:
Admit it Dread, you miss us.
I miss the **** out of you guys, that's why I am trying to recruit every ex/Qcat I can get my hands on |

Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
684
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:11:34 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:If only GalMil wouldn't be too prideful to admit they have tons of numbers and are simply a bandwagon that everyone hops on for easy mode. That's kinda like claiming everyone in SNUFF is just there to bandwagon. GalMil got where it is because we busted our butts against long odds for a long time. I'm sure there's a load of bandwagonners around that jumped in general militia when we were at Tier 3/4 and had the whole warzone, but they sure as hell weren't in fleet yesterday.
As far as BEBOP/SPDR/etc being in cheap EWAR - our folks are humble enough to fly whatever is needed, no matter how meager. If me being in a Griffin instead of a Megathron wins the day, I'll do it day in and day out with no complaints. We'll fly logi, EWAR, tackle, scout, probes, links, haulers, mining barges... if it's necessary, we'll make it happen.
That said... we do have some shinies we're aching to bring out sometime. We'll see.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
427
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:40:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :)
If only GalMil wouldn't be too prideful to admit they have tons of numbers and are simply a bandwagon that everyone hops on for easy mode. So much for "we were the underdogs and then magic happened and we stopped being the underdogs" and "we don't like it easy, its just that everyone joins us and makes it easy; can't blame us for that!" when you can bring enough people to cover a significant pirate corp and your FW counterpart entirely. as much as this circle jerk thread should probably never have been created, your doublespeak posting has always been atrocious. 
You may be about 700 down in characters atm. But, you are unlikely to be thousands in a deficit of numbers as we had to deal with over the years. Currently you have lots of crossplexing Amarr pushing percentages your way. Your ease of access to Jita hordes will return at some point soon, never fear. BTW, Squatdog's been rather quiet lately. Waiting for him to return to the forums once systems start to flip to Calmil.
Anyway, hats off to Snuff. Even though you called Calmil to crash the party, your NApocs were getting the job done already against our cheap ewar. 
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
384
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:47:20 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :)
If only GalMil wouldn't be too prideful to admit they have tons of numbers and are simply a bandwagon that everyone hops on for easy mode. So much for "we were the underdogs and then magic happened and we stopped being the underdogs" and "we don't like it easy, its just that everyone joins us and makes it easy; can't blame us for that!" when you can bring enough people to cover a significant pirate corp and your FW counterpart entirely.
This would be true apart from 90% of all the corps in the fight have been in gal mil for years with the exception of bohica and that snuff had practically even numbers to gal mil give or take 2-3 pilotsand a carrier for each bs therfore your point is mute
GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1182
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:55:09 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cheap EWAR delivered us 40+ billion in SNUFD kills last week to 6bn in losses, which is after all the one reason they would have anything to do with calmil lol.. That cheap ewar makes it not fun for us. :( SNUFD -1 GalMil - 19ish I would be mad if I was the most active and lethal corp in FW and was being used as meat shields by another corp. Two fights now everyone commits (well everyone except the WING of EWAR each squad focusing on 8 ships *wink wink) and you have one corp sitting safely off at extreme ranges in Ishtars and Domies as everyone else risks ships. :(
Yep, a wing of ewar is bad, but but a wing of nav pocs, almost 2 squads of pantheon and 6 triage is a measured and fun fleet to fight lol. Now dont get me wrong, im not complaining about what you brought, im just pointing out that complaining about what other people bring and what risk other people put themselves in is quite pathetic when you join the biggest easy mode corp in the area, and perhaps the 4rd most easy mode corp in the whole of lowsec.
Anyway, since black rise machariel recycling day i think losses stand something like Snuft - 55 bil, gallente -15bil :)
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
379
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:24:48 -
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Hey if your going to make it no fun for us, the least we can do is return it is spades. Galmil still winning though. I'll beat that dead horse with you. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1182
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:30:34 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Hey if your going to make it no fun for us, the least we can do is return it is spades. Galmil still winning though. I'll beat that dead horse with you.
Um, all SNUFD has done for years is bring the hardest possible counter for the easiest possible gank. Blame it on gal mil though if you want lol. |
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
379
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:08:04 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Hey if your going to make it no fun for us, the least we can do is return it is spades. Galmil still winning though. I'll beat that dead horse with you. Um, all SNUFD has done for years is bring the hardest possible counter for the easiest possible gank. Blame it on gal mil though if you want lol.
Blame, I don't think that means what you think that means. I am sorry we countered the ever present ishtars (not you, everyone). Our bad. Then you counter with Ewar. Then we counter. Etc etc. You fly argumably the lamest ship in the game, you have fun doing it and that's amazing. But you don't have a foot to stand on when it comes to critiqueing what other people fly. I don't get your desire to talk down on everyone here, but I am not arguing with you, you guys used a great tactic last fight, coupled with us being unprepared, and we got rekt. If nothing else I thank you guys, you forced us to evolve and to grow. So thank you GalMil. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1182
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:22:57 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Hey if your going to make it no fun for us, the least we can do is return it is spades. Galmil still winning though. I'll beat that dead horse with you. Um, all SNUFD has done for years is bring the hardest possible counter for the easiest possible gank. Blame it on gal mil though if you want lol. Blame, I don't think that means what you think that means. I am sorry we countered the ever present ishtars (not you, everyone). Our bad. Then you counter with Ewar. Then we counter. Etc etc. You fly argumably the lamest ship in the game, you have fun doing it and that's amazing. But you don't have a foot to stand on when it comes to critiqueing what other people fly. I don't get your desire to talk down on everyone here, but I am not arguing with you, you guys used a great tactic last fight, coupled with us being unprepared, and we got rekt. If nothing else I thank you guys, you forced us to evolve and to grow. So thank you GalMil.
I didnt criticize what anyone flies, if you remember, you were complaining about a 'WING' of ewar before i said anything lol. |

Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
379
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:52:05 -
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More stating we knew what you were planning on bringing (thank you spais!!!).
Anyhow, this circle can go on forever so I'll just leave it at that. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1182
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:54:03 -
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Dread Operative wrote:More stating we knew what you were planning on bringing (thank you spais!!!).
Anyhow, this circle can go on forever so I'll just leave it at that.
You need spies to know we were bringing the same as last time? |

Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
687
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:59:39 -
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Dread Operative wrote: I am not arguing with you, you guys used a great tactic last fight, coupled with us being unprepared, and we got rekt. If nothing else I thank you guys, you forced us to evolve and to grow. So thank you GalMil. End of the day, this is what it's about. You countered our Ishtars, we countered your counter, you just countered our counter-counter. Now all we need to do is come up with a way to counter your counter-counter, so you can develop the counter to our counter-counter-counter.
Lowsec4Lyfe.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1299
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Posted - 2014.11.25 01:57:20 -
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Docked since 2009.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2646
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Posted - 2014.11.25 05:45:26 -
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What's the matter? Caldari militia will prop up a 350 man "elilte" alliance that flies max boosted Navy Apoc fleets and can drop 20 triage, but they won't help a small corp like yours out? 
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
26
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:52:02 -
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Snuff (who recruited everyone and their mother the last 2 months) NEED CalMil to pull a Victory off????    I say i am proud of you fellow GalMil you pushed the "Kings of Lowsex" so far......
And ofc, no one helps a pink pony.... |

Thanatos Marathon
Phoibe Enterprises
360
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Posted - 2014.11.25 14:28:36 -
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X Gallentius wrote: What's the matter? Caldari militia will prop up a 350 man "elilte" alliance that flies max boosted Navy Apoc fleets and can drop 20 triage, but they won't help a small corp like yours out? 
With Shadow Cartel back in town if Snuff wants to be able to continue pull out the iWin button it's only natural that they adopt SC policies of blueing and/or working with everyone and everything. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1184
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Posted - 2014.11.25 14:45:47 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:X Gallentius wrote: What's the matter? Caldari militia will prop up a 350 man "elilte" alliance that flies max boosted Navy Apoc fleets and can drop 20 triage, but they won't help a small corp like yours out?  With Shadow Cartel back in town if Snuff wants to be able to continue pull out the iWin button it's only natural that they adopt SC policies of blueing and/or working with everyone and everything.
As far as i can tel, snufd and SC are already working together when they have to fight overload everything lol. |
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