So If I joined a group that chose to never select said option would I be safe from all war decs ever?

My suggestion is the creation of a system (weather faction warfare enlistment style or just simple ESC menu selection), that the players would have the ability to choose to "belong" to making them a valid target ANYWHERE to everyone else that chose the same option.

Lets imagine I chose to belong to the "Villains of East" (which is a cute name I decided to call this thing), and you chose the same option on your ESC menu (for example), when we see each other in jita we can attack with no penalty at all !

Let's say we call these groups of yours corporations.

And we call this system of yours wardecs.

...

I rest my case.

This should be on the stupid idea forum

Best trollthread ever.
11/10

so can I participate

Interesting idea, or you can drop a can in Jita 4.4 labeled *steal this for pvp*..

... weather faction warfare enlistment style ...

Dropping a can?? lol
That method is used to circumvent the concord rules in order to freely attack one predefined target gz christ.
Its old, its primitive and needs to go away as one of the few options you can fight someone in highsec.

Also it doesnt have the surprising factor and its not even called "hunting" for pvp which is one of the most funnier parts of it.


I would like to hear people that actually pvp in eve, people from 0.0 or a good piracy/wardec corp, instead of jita afkers that once in awhile go outside of a station tying to make someone steal from a CAN in order to fight him and call it PvP .. lol

Noobs are hilarious.

so can I participate in this and bring along a scimitar alt that isn't participating in this "free-for-all system" and use it to rep my main that is?

RvB

The man has a point.

This^^

Also, come to nullsec, you won't need to set any flags or steal from cans.

RvB[/quote
The man has a point.[/quote

This^^

Also, come to nullsec, you won't need to set any flags or steal from cans.

I like it. Your attackable to anyone who has this option. Get to know people who do it, form up fleets from chat channels and such. Turn it on some days off the next and just go out a hunt with friends from time to time.

It would be fun.

I myself have played eve in all possible ways you can imagine since lates 2006 and find this a pretty interesting and funny idea to just fly in highsec in your vagabond looking for targets without bothering those who do not want to be bothered.

Now all of you basement dwellers tell me how would something like this affect you if it was implemented and you dont wanna participate in?? Simply dont choose PvP mode and keep playing the same way you're doing now. Theres no possible reason to say no to something like this.

If you play WoW you can choose different types of servers PvE, PvP, roleplay, etc... and once you play in PvP servers you will see how funny it is to be playing knowing that someone can show up and kill you at any time.[/b]

Dumb people should be banned from these forums or at least prohibited to post.

Dumb people should be banned from these forums or at least prohibited to post.

My suggestion is the creation of a system (weather faction warfare enlistment style or just simple ESC menu selection), that the players would have the ability to choose to "belong" to making them a valid target ANYWHERE to everyone else that chose the same option.

Lets imagine I chose to belong to the "Villains of East" (which is a cute name I decided to call this thing), and you chose the same option on your ESC menu (for example), when we see each other in jita we can attack with no penalty at all (just like wardec).

This would make the PvP in eve happen a LOT easier and frequently without cause any damage to all of those that do not want to participate :)

So wtf you say now?



EDIT: Its obviously CCP would limit the use of this system by delaying the "activation/ deactivation" of it by like say 2 hours, and limit the changing ability for 1 or 2 times per every 24 hour cycle :)

Im so god dam pro!!!


EDIT#2: I just remember that there could be channels incursion like, where people that opt to PvP mode would automatically join. That way Id be posting LF LOGI, etc etc.. and people could hang out for the drama and laughs.

Oh, irony.

My suggestion is the creation of a system (weather faction warfare enlistment style or just simple ESC menu selection), that the players would have the ability to choose to "belong" to making them a valid target ANYWHERE to everyone else that chose the same option.

Lets imagine I chose to belong to the "Villains of East" (which is a cute name I decided to call this thing), and you chose the same option on your ESC menu (for example), when we see each other in jita we can attack with no penalty at all (just like wardec).

This would make the PvP in eve happen a LOT easier and frequently without cause any damage to all of those that do not want to participate :)

So wtf you say now?



EDIT: Its obviously CCP would limit the use of this system by delaying the "activation/ deactivation" of it by like say 2 hours, and limit the changing ability for 1 or 2 times per every 24 hour cycle :)

Im so god dam pro!!!


EDIT#2: I just remember that there could be channels incursion like, where people that opt to PvP mode would automatically join. That way Id be posting LF LOGI, etc etc.. and people could hang out for the drama and laughs.

Once again totally different from what Im talking about you fucknut, this is individually personally and you dont know who is on this group, you just travel around when all of a sudden you see someone red.

Dumb people should be banned from these forums or at least prohibited to post.

My suggestion is the creation of a system (weather faction warfare enlistment style or just simple ESC menu selection), that the players would have the ability to choose to "belong" to making them a valid target ANYWHERE to everyone else that chose the same option.

Lets imagine I chose to belong to the "Villains of East" (which is a cute name I decided to call this thing), and you chose the same option on your ESC menu (for example), when we see each other in jita we can attack with no penalty at all (just like wardec).

This would make the PvP in eve happen a LOT easier and frequently without cause any damage to all of those that do not want to participate :)

So wtf you say now?



EDIT: Its obviously CCP would limit the use of this system by delaying the "activation/ deactivation" of it by like say 2 hours, and limit the changing ability for 1 or 2 times per every 24 hour cycle :)

Im so god dam pro!!!


EDIT#2: I just remember that there could be channels incursion like, where people that opt to PvP mode would automatically join. That way Id be posting LF LOGI, etc etc.. and people could hang out for the drama and laughs.

So If I joined a group that chose to never select said option would I be safe from all war decs ever?

Nice trollthread.

kthxbye.

Somebody move this god dam thread to the right place ty??

lmao you are a noob dude, jita afker, just gtfo of my thread if you have no idea about what you're talking about.
Id like to see when did someone in FW was flying around in highsec looking for someone from a different FW to kill before being popped by the navy. . youre so ******* noob, disgusting..

The whole idea of this suggestion, is to bring and make the PvP experience of hunting down targets and/or living life in continuously danger, a lot more accessible to people living in highsec.
Said that, apart from ALL other things different from this, you cant compare it to any form of pvp outside highsec to start with.

Having to steal from a CAN in order to shoot someone you already know is PvP ??? G T F O
That **** is older than my grandma and its something in eve that MUST go away already, evolve ffs.

Make people who have bounties on them not being able to get concord support if they are attacked... Or not?

Some clever people make a spectacular career of killing FW targets in hisec. The killboards don't lie (neither do Shakira's hips). While Faction police can be a PITA (I've had the -5 standings before), they're certainly not CONCORD.

Second. And I repeat myself, some enterprising players have created your system already. They call it RvB.

Third. I suppose I should shout something insulting here, so... MRAAA YU SO NOB, YOU PLAY SANDBOX BAD

Fourth. There are plenty of mechanics that allow you to shoot at each other without flipping a can first. If you don't like them, CCP Guard has a message for you here.

If theres one thing i learned the most in eve, its that PVP happens the most to people who dont want to participate, and PVP players actively seek that out, rather then fighting other PVP players on their own terms, they would rather attack a transport ship instead.

You like it? Choose PvP mode.
You dont like it? Dont click it.
Period, theres no reason to deny it. If you are against it without a valid reason you are at minimum delusional.

Besides the fact that we've been trying to show you where to find the same content you want to add, there's the fact that a PvP tickbox wouldn't make sense from an RP POV, the waste of Dev Resources, and the implication for newbies that not ticking the box keeps them safe.

There are a lot of people making fairly well reasoned arguments against your idea. Your counterarguments have thus far boiled down to "WOW does it like that, so EVE should." Come up with a reason why you need this (besides your laziness [not going for RvB, or FW] and your fear [not wanting to leave Hisec]) and you might get some new responses.

Please refrain from posting in this thread any further and move on with your pathetic life.
The ONLY reason I see and it was you is the devs resources part, all other posters all they did was posting irrelevant negativity and vague stupidity.

About you, well first of all you are not a DEV you dont know absolutely nothing whatsoever if its hard or not to implement something like this, all you are posting is broscience tiptop trash talk out of your mouth.

Besides as I said, it brings a LOT more value stuff into eve creating a much more dynamic environment and gaming enjoyment rather than if ANY downside.

As I said:

You like it? Choose PvP mode.
You dont like it? Dont click it.

Im pretty sure many people would end up using it permanently, as well as other newer/scared players, would get in touch with pvp hunting and protection a LOT easier and more often.

For example, incursions was a GREAT idea from CCP, and yea its like raids on WoW. And what about it? Whats the problem of talking about WoW? Break that taboo in your mind, cause taboos limit your imagination and your personality from being the person you really wanna be, instead of a basement dweller.

Incursions make people get together, make scared pvp players to know what a fleet actually is and how everything works, its funny, it gives at least to 50% of all the players in this game to learn more about fittings and ships etc etc, while at the same time makes them feel more comfortable with the pvp and combat environment.

Although having a little FFA in hi-sec may be an interesting idea - and I could see some potential benefits (i.e. exposing people to PvP in high-sec without necessarily doing it on a corp v corp or alliance v alliance basis; enticing missioners and miners to experience some PvP), what this would effectively do, in my opinion, is add a little more sandbox to PvP.

I'd rather like to see more people move to and roam in low-sec/0.0 which is deserted as it is than promote hi-sec PvP, which is lame in its current form. And before you go on about how your targets would be valid anywhere, let's face it... this would be an exclusively hi-sec PvP prospect.

Sorry... not supported.

bubbles and gate camps are the singular reason behind why null is a ghost land now, people cant get through the camps, again this all goes back to the great wall of high sec and the issue with griefers being catered to again with their buffs that CCP provides them. Before the time of gate bubbles there was alot more movement in and out of low and no security systems.

Katie, you can't force a carebear to pvp. You just need to realize futility of attempting that. Just ask yourself why they haven't tried pvp already, or they don't pvp if they did, or will they just find another game if you force them to play in a way they don't want to? How would you feel if devs tried to force you to mine for example and you don't want that?

Bump.

Id really like this implemented as soon as possible.

Its funny, doesnt hurt those who dont agree with, its one more exciting option of what we can do, its another pvp option, gives easy access to true pvp of hunting and/or survival, its an accessible opportunity for those a little more scared with which they can experiment, learn and be able to go and explore other areas in eve they've always feared.

Hard to take the OP seriously when he's looking for more PvP yet won't leave high sec to find it.

Thread title has failed to deliver. 0/10

This character has "lived" in 0.0 over 50% of its lifetime. Obviously you are a noob that cant check employment history correctly.

Thread title has failed to deliver. 0/10

If it weren't a ****** idea, it wouldn't be so soundly rejected by nearly everyone in the thread.

Sounds like UMADBRO and the age old "I'm not wrong cauze I wasn't srs, dudez" defense.

You suffer from HPD dude, but it seems it only brought the bad side of it on you lol
inb4yougooglehpd


Bump

Create this option now ccp, it doesnt hurt anyone that dont like, and will be one more path one can follow, in between many other things the close and easy and accessible pvp to everyone living in empire that want to try pvp at their own pace without leaving empire for now.

I did, and all I got was Houston Police Department. I'm not sure how I suffer at the hands of Houston Police Department when I live several states away from Texas, but if you say so, Please Help Save Me From the Houston Police!

I still have yet to see any reason why this *should* be developed. You're main argument seems to be that it doesn't hurt anyone which is not a good reason to add more structures in the sandbox.


Let me put it this way, say that Eve is a giant sandbox. It has some fixed toys in it, like monkey bars and a little rocking horse thing. The kids run around and spend as much or more time playing with each other as they do with the monkey bars and the rocking horse. The manager adds a slide. Now the kids play with each other a little less to fit the slide in. This goes on until all you have is a big jungle gym where the sandbox was and the kids have a hard time finding each other to play with, or just as bad, they don't have time between playing with each of the toys.

In a sandbox game you need a good, interesting reason to add *anything.* Create this option and what do you add to the game that *isn't* already availiable?
PvP on Demand > RvB and Faction Warfare(needs a fix but still provides the PvP targets on demand)
PvP in HiSec > RvB, Can Flipping, FW (if you're clever), Suicide Ganks, Organized Warfare
A Sense of Danger > Suicide Ganks (inbound), Can Flippers, RvB*, FW*
PvP at your Own pace > RvB, EUni's Lowsec Roams and occasional organized Wardecs

*While you're in it, but that limitation applies to your idea as well, since it's a toggle switch

We should do this, its a good idea.


1. And we should make it so that there is special faction LP we can obtain during these fights.

2. we can use the special LP to buy upgraded mods for our ships(that we can redeem in a special room of a war station)

3. And break up eve into shards.

4. make it fighting between shards

5. make a special type of fleet called a raid.

6. rename EvE-Online to "Generic MMO number 4578001"


Conclusion:

Just an awful idea. PvP is available to you no matter where in the eve online universe.

If its not broken then don't fix it.

And you also shouldnt eat chicken because its good and everyone else does it.
Your logic is flawed as ****.

Who cares about RvB? I dont wanna belong to any corp/war/alliance or whatsoever battle between 2 major groups of people.
Can flipping is PvP? Make me laugh noob.
FW is lowsec to start with, besides it still fight between teams or gate camps etc, I dont want to belong to any team besides my friends.
RvB already explained, I dont wanna go to lowsec as already explained as well.

Keep posting relevant stuff.


The universal pvp system would be nothing compared to anything existent at the moment in the game.
Would affect no one whatsoever that dont use it, and just by that theres no reason in denying it.

All other aspects already explained in this thread.

So to clean things out and make it easier to picture, heres a resume:



PROS

- One more thing you can do in EvE
- Dynamic Highsec real PvP, with hunting and survival and also the surprise element.
- Easy access to what real PvP is to people living in highsec that do not want to belong to any corp or alliance or leave highsec for now.
- A form of living
- Kills the boredom to many people in game bringing a new breath taking activity for a moment or a form of playing the game at all times.
- Connects a little bit more 0.0 experience and highsec, giving players an enthusiastic experience.
- One more way to create fights and ships and modules and ammo consumption bringing healthy activity to the economy.
- Many other pros..

So to clean things out and make it easier to picture, heres a resume:



PROS

- One more thing you can do in EvE
- Dynamic Highsec real PvP, with hunting and survival and also the surprise element.
- Easy access to what real PvP is to people living in highsec that do not want to belong to any corp or alliance or leave highsec for now.
- A form of living
- Kills the boredom to many people in game bringing a new breath taking activity for a moment or a form of playing the game at all times.
- Connects a little bit more 0.0 experience and highsec, giving players an enthusiastic experience.
- One more way to create fights and ships and modules and ammo consumption bringing healthy activity to the economy.
- Many other pros..



CONS

- N/A


Its simple guys, you wanna try it? Use it.
You dont like it and total disagree? Dont use it.

In opposite of sooo many other features in eve that not even 5% of all the players use, this one could and WILL be, if implemented, a much very used feature for a LOT of players, experienced and non experienced. I guarantee you that.

Imagine:

You are bored, you turn on this option and grab your rifter and go, you travel a couple jumps and you see a red in local, use your scan, use your alt to scan him, etc etc etc..

Its just an addition to eve, is not a change, this is not supposed to fix anything.

1) I don't quite understand your line of argument for this being a pro. Is EvE lacking things to do? I guess if you are poking asteroids all day, you may feel that EvE is a sterile game that needs additional entertainment features implemented. Alt-tab and play solitaire.
2) There is nothing 'real' or 'dynamic' about sandbox PvP. You may also try FW, RvB and wardecs.
3) Again nothing real about PvP in high-sec. You are talking about a very, very small group of people that (a) live in high sec; (b) do not want to belong to a corp/alliance; (c) are too scared to jump into low sec to PvP; (d) are interested in PvP. If this feature will accommodate this group of people, then there is no reason to spend game resources on it. Refer them to a therapist and deal with their anxieties pertaining to leaving high sec or joining a corp/alliance.
4) No... it's not a form of living at all. It's a fad that you undertake for a couple of hours before returning to your mission/belt.
5) Could not decipher the latter part of this point, but in relation to boredom of many people - if you want to PvP: low sec is just a few jumps away. Also there is FW, RvB, wardecs...
6) No... it actually disconnects people from real PvP and distances them from 0.0. But even if you consider the OP's suggestion as real PvP - if you had this in high sec, why would you ever want to go to 0.0 to experience it?
7) Or... populate regions of space that already have this mechanic implemented (low-sec, 0.0) and create an economic demand in these regions. Oh the ISK sinks that logistics and ship/module replacement costs in low-sec and 0.0 would create!
8) Many other retorts...

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1) How can 1 more thing to do ever be bad? Make sense.
2) Fw = lowsec .. I dont want lowsec..
RvB = War between 2 teams which I also have to belong to .. I dont wanna belong to anything I wanna ride free. (also RvB was created on purpose by players to do something similar to what this feature will do)
Wardecs = Once again, war between 2 teams.
3) Neither you or anyone else in this thread is a DEV, and have no idea about whatsoever how hard or not it is to implement such feature.
4) Its a form of living if you wanna have it on at all times, which brings a great suspense and dynamic way of playing the game.
5) I dont want lowsec.. how many times I have to repeat all of this?
6) I dont want lowsec..
8) Make sense

You still havent come up with ANY single argument of how this can be ever bad, but I proved many valid reasons of how this is a great feature.


Unless you are a DEV and say something like: This will be too hard to implement and is such feature is not in our plans for any time in the future"

Remember you are not a DEV, so give me reasons from a regular player point of view of how can this ever be bad, or just dont bother with this thread and move on.

Please dont post stuff that is already been answered. Read the thread before you post.

The post right above you, in fact.

Because you can keep your security status in lowsec when you pvp.

You're a noob dude, just go afk in Jita or post valid and coherent reasons.

Once again for the trillionth time:

Dont want it? Dont use it.

Hunt Pirates or get aggroed first. Form Spider Wardecced Corps for many-sided PvP.

Im not gonna be arguing with you since you cant come up with good arguments and all you're doing is "no you're wrong and here's the myriad reasons why" basically.

Dont want it? Dont use it.

I can understand where you are coming from and yes, you are correct - there has been no DEV replies to this topic regarding the resources required to implement this feature. However, you seem to be under the impression that if something suits your gameplay and will have little effect on others, that this should be implemented immediately. The above-quoted justification for your stance is simply inadequate and will not be taken seriously by other players, let alone the DEV team.

What you have to consider is the broader perspective of your idea and although it seems that it won't affect anybody but those bored hi-sec PvPers who want to have a piece of 0.0 in hi-sec, that will simply not be the case. If your idea had no effect on anything else, I wouldn't be posting here and neither would a range of other people who unfortunately disagree with you.

Putting in a hi-sec PvP feature that is tantamount to what is already there in 0.0 and low sec will affect the distribution of players in EvE and again in my opinion will further distance already deserted low-sec and 0.0 away from hi-sec that has ~80% of the player base sitting in it. This is not the way to go about a game in which such a vast amount of space is reserved to low-sec and 0.0.

Finally, for the first time someone in this thread came up with a valid reason that justifies his decision on saying no to this feature.

However that is one thing I that should be thought about, the real consequences.

From your point of view players would desert even more lowsec and 0.0, but from my point of view it is deserted cause players in highsec dont wanna "risk" going to 0.0, lowsec YET.
Everyone has the same excuse of: "Im still not ready"

That "risk" and "still not ready" is caused by the fear of the unknown, they dont know what pvp looks like, how is it out there. Before incursions a huge quantity of players didnt even know what a fleet with logistics looked like. Now people have much more sense of what a fleet can look like and how things work (movement, broadcasts, overview, etc etc )

In my opinion (and theres barely one time that Im wrong, Im in the 20% most intelligent people in us group, not kidding), this feature would give a much closer feeling to what pvp can look like out there.

Breaking that fear and lighting up that unknown will cause the players to feel comfortable enough to leave highsec and join a 0.0 corp for the real thing.

From your point of view players would desert even more lowsec and 0.0, but from my point of view it is deserted cause players in highsec dont wanna "risk" going to 0.0, lowsec YET.
Everyone has the same excuse of: "Im still not ready"

That "risk" and "still not ready" is caused by the fear of the unknown, they dont know what pvp looks like, how is it out there. Before incursions a huge quantity of players didnt even know what a fleet with logistics looked like. Now people have much more sense of what a fleet can look like and how things work (movement, broadcasts, overview, etc etc )

Breaking that fear and lighting up that unknown will cause the players to feel comfortable enough to leave highsec and join a 0.0 corp for the real thing.

Down-vote.

We have corps, alliances, and wardecs. We have factional warfare for individuals, corps, and I think I read it got / is getting extended to alliances.

There is no point to this system.

Furthermore, if you want to be KOS to anyone, just start shooting people, you'll get there eventually.

Finally, there's also this awesome KOS location where anyone can kill anyone without penalty: it's called nullsec. It exists for a reason.

I like it. Your attackable to anyone who has this option. Get to know people who do it, form up fleets from chat channels and such. Turn it on some days off the next and just go out a hunt with friends from time to time.

It would be fun.

From your point of view players would desert even more lowsec and 0.0, but from my point of view it is deserted cause players in highsec dont wanna "risk" going to 0.0, lowsec YET.
Everyone has the same excuse of: "Im still not ready"

That "risk" and "still not ready" is caused by the fear of the unknown, they dont know what pvp looks like, how is it out there. Before incursions a huge quantity of players didnt even know what a fleet with logistics looked like. Now people have much more sense of what a fleet can look like and how things work (movement, broadcasts, overview, etc etc )

In my opinion (and theres barely one time that Im wrong, Im in the 20% most intelligent people in us group, not kidding), this feature would give a much closer feeling to what pvp can look like out there.

Breaking that fear and lighting up that unknown will cause the players to feel comfortable enough to leave highsec and join a 0.0 corp for the real thing.

I like it. Your attackable to anyone who has this option. Get to know people who do it, form up fleets from chat channels and such. Turn it on some days off the next and just go out a hunt with friends from time to time.

It would be fun.

You mean like faction warfare?



If you want that risk free pvp, join red vs blue and learn some basics. Actually it can be even fun if you just join for the lolz.

Id like to see you in amarr faction and coming to jita and stay outside the station chilling.

If you have no clue about what this is, or how it feels to do it, then dont post.
Just go spin your ship to the station as you always do.

Already covered by a multitude of existing mechanics.
The people who are currently choosing not to make use of those options will just choose not to make use of this option as well.

Adds nothing GÇö not needed.

Where is that multitude that I cant see ??

This is a style of living and an option, its NOT a change, where the **** do you see any change by ADDING this? Dumbass

This universal PvP system is the ONLY way you can call real PvP in highsec, otherwise go to 0.0

Already listed. Just because you don't want to use them doesn't mean they don't exist, and their existence (and people's unwillingness to use them) shows that your idea is not needed, nor will it do what you want it to do..

It is fun...

...It is also called RvB which, contrary to popular belief, is not just n00bs in frigs

It is fun...

...It is also called RvB which, contrary to popular belief, is not just n00bs in frigs

Im not gonna argue with idiots that cant understand or answer along the same lines.

All the pvp mechanics already mentioned in this thread, I answered to them all explaining how it was totally different from this,

What this changes? Nothing, it wont affect those that do not want to participate.

GǪalong the same lines as what? Your abuse-laden and nonsenical lack of argumentation? Good thing you're the only one using that around here, then. If you can't argue your point without falling back on personal attacks, your point is worthless. Try showing that it is actually worth something, if you canGǪ
GǪand the problem remains: what you're suggesting will not do what you want to do because as those other mechanisms show, people aren't interested. There are plenty of ways to get into fights and be a target GÇö if you (and others) don't want to use them, then that's pretty indicative of how little interest there is in your idea.

You need to address this fact.
GǪand by that, you are showing that your idea has no legs. It is, by your own account, completely pointless.

Again:

GǪyou failed to address any of the points and failed to provide any kind of argument.

Could you try to do that instead of repeating your irrelevant gibberish?

Yes I failed.

Here for non fail:

Faction Warfare - I wanna be free and a "villain" everyone against everyone, no teams. Also wanna ride free and go anywhere at anytime.

Bump FTW

Please let me know what you guys think.

Not at all bro.
Being serious, this is a great idea and I still havent seen one single reasonable answer to it in this thread other than a bunch forum losers station afkers flawed stupidity.