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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: jamesw on 30/08/2006 06:44:50
When the new patch is applied, shift all stargates 15km to the left!
No more insta copying, no current g2g instas work.
Simple!
PS: ZUDD says he is "wicked awesome"
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:45:00 -
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I endorse this post
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Dust Angel
True Core
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:48:00 -
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Agreed.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:50:00 -
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/signed
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:50:00 -
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lol i agree this would fix it and be a lot of fun to see tomorrow when people jump in to ec and are like "wtf it moved?" (pop) when you wanted to nerf BMs i agree but coppying is not how it is done the people that already have them are the ones that i want to stop they are the ones with good ships i need to kill not these noobs in frigs...
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:51:00 -
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If copying bookmarks is nerfed, it will create a real class division in eve, between those who "have" bookmarks, and those who "have not" got them.
The "have not's" will have no feasible chance to gain the advantage the "haves" do.
Either instas would be way too expensive, or people would have to make their own sets. Either way, people like me who have most regions are at a decided advantage.
Burn them all!
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El Chapo
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:53:00 -
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I agree.
Another option, which I like slightly better, would be to randomize your warp-to location by up to 15km in any direction from the bookmark. That will permanently rid us of instas, making the game more fun to play and reducing the load on your servers from bookmark copying.
If this isn't done, I fear instas will slowly grow back from people macro copying them in batches of 5 all day.
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Tonkin
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:55:00 -
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how about
NO ONE CAN COPY BMS
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM YOURSELF
stop lag from peeps dropping bms, people going into new regions cant have the bms
easy.
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:56:00 -
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 Originally by: El Chapo
I agree.
Another option, which I like slightly better, would be to randomize your warp-to location by up to 15km in any direction from the bookmark. That will permanently rid us of instas, making the game more fun to play and reducing the load on your servers from bookmark copying.
If this isn't done, I fear instas will slowly grow back from people macro copying them in batches of 5 all day.
This idea i endorse also. Come out of warp at 15km from what you warp to, but in any random direction.
eg. If you warp to a 15k insta, you could come out right on the gate, or worst case, 15km the other side (30k from the gate).
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tonkin
how about
NO ONE CAN COPY BMS
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM YOURSELF
stop lag from peeps dropping bms, people going into new regions cant have the bms
easy.
That is essentially what they are doing. Copying the 1500 or so bookmarks for Domain region 5 at a time?? No thanks!
But what of people like me who already have the region. Can I laugh in the face of other players as I run away from their ceptor gang in my BS, because I have instas and they do not???
What do you think of that?
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Tonkin
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tonkin on 30/08/2006 07:01:16
it will make peeps create there own sets.
yea bms will still be made but be honest ive made my own sets but only pipe lines and that.
bms that ive been given have systems that i have never visited.
i wonder if the chinese have bm problems?
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Azerrad
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
That is essentially what they are doing. Copying the 1500 or so bookmarks for Domain region 5 at a time?? No thanks!
But what of people like me who already have the region. Can I laugh in the face of other players as I run away from their ceptor gang in my BS, because I have instas and they do not???
What do you think of that?
Something really should be done to avoid completely screwing over newer players with this 5 at a time bookmark fix.
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Tonkin
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad
Originally by: jamesw
That is essentially what they are doing. Copying the 1500 or so bookmarks for Domain region 5 at a time?? No thanks!
But what of people like me who already have the region. Can I laugh in the face of other players as I run away from their ceptor gang in my BS, because I have instas and they do not???
What do you think of that?
Something really should be done to avoid completely screwing over newer players with this 5 at a time bookmark fix.
screwing over newer players.
nooobs have better atributes and have it very easy at the begining of their eve career.
i think that will some for the loss of bms
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Infrared Raven
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:09:00 -
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Again, if you don't have a good alternative to replace instas, I say no thanks.
Just removing them is not an option, I got better things to do than approaching a gate.
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Tonkin
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Infrared Raven
Again, if you don't have a good alternative to replace instas, I say no thanks.
Just removing them is not an option, I got better things to do than approaching a gate.
im with you there
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NTRabbit
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Infrared Raven
Again, if you don't have a good alternative to replace instas, I say no thanks.
Just removing them is not an option, I got better things to do than approaching a gate.
Fit a mwd and approach the gates at high speed, problem solved.
I'm with Jimmy-dubya on this one
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:17:00 -
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I disagree... Travelling is one of the biggest parts of eve, this whole lets move with instas to a region 40 jump away solo in stabbed bs and then refit once were their because we don't want ot organize a corp op to move our stuff... I think that's something that really detracts from eve and helps to turn it into CS in space...
Travelling in eve shouldnt be an inconvience... it should be an integral part of eve gameplay.
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Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:43:00 -
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If only copying bms is nerfed, people will still do it. It will be MAJOR pain in the ass, but it will still be done, for alternative is to have no bms vs an enemy that does. People train blaster spec to 5 for that extra 2% dmg, I imagine they will copy bms 5 at a time for the extra leverage as well.
Bad move CCP, where did you learn that? Old Soviet?
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eLLioTT wave
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:50:00 -
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Still not a total solution. The coming patch will make the gap between noobs and vets HEAPS bigger though. Changing stargate travel as a whole would be a good idea though if they have to do something now. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:52:00 -
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People saying that instas just be gotten rid of really need to STFU.
Hauling in empire without instas (which is how I haul in empire) is bad enough because all it takes is one war target with a webber and you're done.
I would not haul in 0.0 without instas.
A lot of the time I'd make it even without them, but at the moment whether or not a gatecamp is able to pop me depends purely on the quality of the camp, whereas without instas it depends on whether or not they turn up.
So it goes from:
Oh look I died because these guys run a good gatecamp, and instas+stabs is not enough to get me through.
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Oh look I died because someone else was near the gate.
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Pestillence
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker
Travelling in eve shouldnt be an inconvience... it should be an integral part of eve gameplay.
200 million + bookmarks on the server show reality is different,
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Caletha
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Caletha on 30/08/2006 09:11:12
Even though I'm a huge fan of bookmarks myself, they make life so much easier and make jumping the 10-15 odd jumps in a battleship more pleasant (for me speed is the main issue, not so much safety). In all honesty, if I'm chased by several people (which will also have insta's) its not 'that' much safer (if they have tacklers). And with a small ship like a frigate, insta's dont really change that much if your going to the gate at 5k/s with an MWD.
If you want to break the BM, dont do a 'single' shift, this would just result in the BM-makers getting more money. They would just all create new sets and as such not solve much.
Make it more realistic, make all objects in EvE move around, e.g. orbit the sun. This means that you pretty much break -all- insta-gate & insta-dock bookmarks.
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Kharriga
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:23:00 -
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/sign
sounds good
BM copy thing will just hit new players
Gate shift and BM copy will hit all
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Sofie Fatale
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Posted - 2006.08.30 10:56:00 -
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just make all aget travel , gate to gate. easy. no more bms. Then all gate gankers need are bubbles and dictors behind the gate. Tho something esle would be to be implemented for empire wars.
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framolia
Gallente
The Breakfast Club
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Posted - 2006.08.30 11:04:00 -
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Whats the matter guys? Too poor to buy Insta's or too hard to make you own?
I will sit moving only 5 at a time, doesn't bother me 
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Vito Parabellum
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.30 11:59:00 -
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Warp to 0 and 199 million bookmarks vanish from the database.
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 12:05:00 -
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Warp to 0 solves the equality issue (all players have the ability).
Warp to 0 solves the database load issue (no more insta bms need storage).
Warp to 0 does not solve the gameplay issue of industrial ships and BS being almost as fast as interceptors when travelling.
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Steven Dynahir
Gallente
Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.08.30 12:08:00 -
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Quote:
When the new patch is applied, shift all stargates 15km to the left!
Good idea, but lets improve it a bit.
What if, at each downtime the big objects like startgates, asteroid belts, stations, moons and planes moved some 1/365 of their orbits? This would give the game the "intended" feature of newtonian planetary movements, but still not choke the server on realtime calculations.
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Burlock Ironfist
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.30 12:12:00 -
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do a warp to 5 km.... instead of 15..
gives enough of a advantage and enough of a disadvantage.. or make all warps randome between 0 and 10km
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.08.30 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Edited by: jamesw on 30/08/2006 06:44:50
When the new patch is applied, shift all stargates 15km to the left!
No more insta copying, no current g2g instas work.
Simple!
PS: ZUDD says he is "wicked awesome"
yep simple, simple way to get a lot of players to QUIT THE FREAKING GAME.
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