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Kaleigh Doyle Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:52:00 - [31] Perhaps encouraging the pilots of your alliance would be a wonderful place to curb the abominable practice of slavery. People often overlook the fact that such behavior is just as prevalent in the outlaw regions as the Empire.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:16:00 - [32] He may be right,but that percentage is considerably lower,most get vitoc,slave hounds,and do not live like the common amarrian,only the lucky ones,i am certain! And please,do not think we can win such a war,they will pay in blood then.. But how much will we pay?Will it be worth the price?And would any slaves or free Minmatars survive?There is to much at stake to act reckless!
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:31:00 - [33] A significant portion of my house's income is allocated to the care and protection of it's slaves. The majority of slaves that live and work for my family would be horrified and lost if they were to suddenly be "set free" and forced to fend for themselves. They enjoy a high standard of life, content that all that they should require both physically and spiritually is well provided for. By persuing your terrorist agenda you would leave countless thousands without food and shelter or the guiding hand of God to protect them. The complete lack of gratitude shown by the rogue elements of the Matari people towards the benevolant actions of our glorious Empire truly appalls me.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:43:00 - [34] The price to pay is nothing compared to doing nothing at all. To continue to allow this to happen makes us just as bad as the slavers themselves. We will find a cure for any who are dependent on the Vitoc drug. We could set up programs to help those find work and teach them how to support themselves. Once a great many of us were slaved but we fought back and earned our freedom. With blood. The road was hard yet we have gained much. They can do the same with our help. Blood for blood is demanded if the Amarr Empire will not release our people. The work will be hard, the price will be high. the end goal will more than justify any price.
Kaleigh Doyle Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:50:00 - [35] Quote: A significant portion of my house's income is allocated to the care and protection of it's slaves. The majority of slaves that live and work for my family would be horrified and lost if they were to suddenly be "set free" and forced to fend for themselves. They enjoy a high standard of life, content that all that they should require both physically and spiritually is well provided for. By persuing your terrorist agenda you would leave countless thousands without food and shelter or the guiding hand of God to protect them. The complete lack of gratitude shown by the rogue elements of the Matari people towards the benevolant actions of our glorious Empire truly appalls me. You do realize that if the Matari people had not been kidnapped and enslaved to begin with, there wouldn't be any worry about reintegration or terrorism. You made your own problems.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.30 19:01:00 - [36] Indeed,i am pleased that the slaves are taken care of,but it is no act of kindness,they are tools to you,and i just cant stand it..i know that slavery can be a terrible,terrible thing,perhaps it can be good to,but until i recieve more proof then the word of someone whose race i do not trust,i cannot believe you enough to cease my actions,perhaps it is you that needs salvation,not us..if some devine might is up there,wanting the best for all those living in the universe,hes going to be pretty mad when he sees his so called "chosen" make things miserable in the galaxy! And again i must ask,why not let them free?If they truly cannot stand on there own two feet,would they go down?Or simply return to you?
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.30 20:05:00 - [37] The majority of the slaves under my family's care have been our property for generations, born into their servitude and know little of the harsh and cruel world outside of the confines of our compound. You would have us simply turn these poor souls out into the uncaring world to fend for themselves and eventually become a burden on the society that must cloth and feed them. Isn't your pathetic republic already overtaxed by the number of transients and reprobates pouring through its inadequate social system? So many so that they are fleeing to the gallente federation territories to escape the rampant crime and poverty infesting their homes? The matari have demonstrated time and again their inability to proprly govern and control their base instincts. Only through enlightenment and the truth of His word can they be taught to lead fulfilling and worthy lives. The gift of slavery and reeducation that our glorious empire offers these wayward souls assures that they are given the chance to lead productive and fulfilling lives in service to God. What more could one ask for?
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.30 20:42:00 - [38] What more could one ask for?A life free of servitude and chains of the Amarr,be they physical or mental chains!Or not having to be told about god all the time,just because you believe in him dousnt mean everyone dous,the republic will hold,freed slaves will get a life that is truly theirs,a life that they lead,not their owners. But will you accept any view other then yours?You would not consider slavery a gift if you where a slave youreself i am certain.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.30 22:05:00 - [39] Edited by: Heldane on 30/08/2006 22:12:24 Edited by: Heldane on 30/08/2006 22:05:46 I am a slave and servant to the will and word of God. A role I cherish and shall endeavour to remain worthy of. The only thing brazen announcements such as this one accomplish is to display the matari's own penchant for self destructiveness and desperate need for firm guidance. You boldy and loudly demand for the freedom of slaves yet you offer no real plan as to what these slaves should do other than pull up their bootstraps and enjoy their freedom wether they like it or not. Not all matari have the benefit of being wealthy enough to learn and use the skills necessary to be a pod pilot. Its easy for you to sit on your pedestal and demand they be freed from their bondage. After all, you are not the one that will be starving in a months time. This is all needless bantering anyway. Louder voices than yours have "demanded" the freeing of slaves and yet here they remain. Many by their own choosing.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.30 22:44:00 - [40] Heldane, remind yourself of the first rebellion. Those of us that are pod pilots now came from the seeds that those who took your chains off planted. We grew into our wealth. I understand that you are all scared. You know the implications of what would happen should another rebellion occur. My voice will not diminish as time grows. It will only grow until the Republic hears. I will not be alone. Many will stand beside me. I may not be the loudest or the greatest to stand up, but I will remain persistent. I do not promise the slaves a beautiful life or am I saying that it will be easy. It will be hard for them to get used to a life where they are not being controlled on a daily basis. They will struggle just as the first of us have done when we defied your rule. Do not think that you will ever convince me of otherwise. Even if some of you are more friendly with those you hold, they still wear a collar and you hold the leash. They will be freed.

Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.30 23:30:00 - [41] Considering the rebellion was 125 years ago and I am still a relatively young man I cannot give you first hand knowledge of what occured during those turbulent times. The aftermath of that rebellion clearly displays it's folly. The Minmatar republic is suffering and faltering under its woefully inadequate leadership and were it not for the aid of the gallente you would have come crawling back and begging to be chained once more. You claim we fear you, yet it is terrorists such as yourself that skulk in the dark corners of space and make weightless threats aimed at your betters. A man who walks in the light of God has nothing to fear from the darkness. Do not mistake pity and disdain for fear.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.30 23:47:00 - [42] Terrorist.. I will not try to change your view of me. Call me what you will. I say I am a patriot of the Republic yet I support what Captain Muritor has done and if his target is the Amarr Empire then I wish him the best. Everyone knows that we are not strong enough to stand toe to toe against the Amarr. Our tactics will be quick raids against military targets. Sadly as in every war, the loss of innocent life is going to happen, but innocent civilians are not our targets. I am sure the Amarr Empire will label us as terrorist to rally support to fight against us, so be it. Define me as you and they will, I will not relent in my quest.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.31 00:02:00 - [43] Worry not how I or any man judges you. Instead it would be better to contemplate on your appearance in the eyes of God. I am but a humble servant and instrument of His divine will. I label you a terrorist for that is the agenda you and your kind promote, all the while claiming that the innocent lives you destroy are simply the price of war. My experience with "freedom fighters" such as you has shown me nothing but a penchant for chaos and violence with complete disregard for the lives lost. I have seen thousands of slaves die to the overzealous guns of their oh so caring brothers, who's rationale is that they are better off dead than enslaved. This lack of vision and compassion reveals the true motive behind your violent methods. You are pirates and villains of the worst sort, but you wave the flag of righteous indignation as a cover for your criminal actions.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.31 04:45:00 - [44] I do not believe in a god but that is not the topic we are discussing, but obviously I do not care what god or gods would think of me should they exist. That being said. I have given my ultimatum. I will go at this alone if I must and will do so happily even if I am only able to bring just one more to freedom.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.31 05:28:00 - [45] I know a very good hand gesture to give that god of yours... Anyway,you have good thoughts about slavery,but freedom is not good?Please,those slaves can be fed and sheltred,and schooled to build a life of there own,a life they couldnt build before,you took that opportunity from them.
General Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.31 05:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Shiv Katall Of course I do not speak for the corporation in which I am employed. I speak for those slaves that are not allowed a voice. This message is to the citizens so that they know that warning has been given to the slavers. Drakolus is not the only one that has realized how wrong slavery is. Sadly he had to go thru his own personal hell to see how badly it is.. I truely feel sorry for him. Their are others within the Amarr Empire that have realized this for what it is. The Amarr Empire in its current state of affairs could not function without those it holds in slavery. It would create an economic collapse that would set them back for years. If the current captives rose up in a second rebillion it would only remind the Amarr of the losses hey have faced against the first and their other failed attempts to obtain more slaves from the other empires. Do not think yourselves almighty. We have seen your forces thrown back. Once we had a beautiful empire until the Amarr came. Now we are rebuilding what was lost and making new. Scorn and laugh at us with our ships if you must, but remember that our missles hit just as hard as yours and our projectile ammo will leave devestating holes in your ships. Our technology is only going to improve with new ships that every Amarr slave holder will fear. Do not take my words lightly. Do prepare yourselves for we will be coming across many fronts. I need someone to polish my ships. I'm not a slaver myself but in this case of defiance i'll make an exception. All you're doing whit this posts is drraw more amarrians to the fight.
Delta Recon	Posted - 2006.08.31 05:52:00 - [47] Edited by: Delta Recon on 31/08/2006 05:55:36 Originally by: Shiv Katall With a mentality like that, no army would ever win a fight. There have been many battles thru history in which out numbered armies’ waged wars and come out victorious. One must go into the fight with high morale and fight with everything that they have. Yes we will have losses and very possibly a great number, but we must remain steadfast in our goals. If the Amarr Empire will not release those they hold captive willingly than we take the price in their blood. We must help every one of ours become free and help contribute to making our Republic stronger. We must create jobs to increase our economies and raise our people from the poor lives they are facing. If you expect to lose a fight, then surely you will and only become a hindrance. Become stronger. Train yourself physically and mentally. We will win. Our people demand release and we must bring freedom to them. Outnumber armys usualy won by tactics something that some cave age tribes don't have.
General Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.31 05:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Shiv Katall The price to pay is nothing compared to doing nothing at all. To continue to allow this to happen makes us just as bad as the slavers themselves. We will find a cure for any who are dependent on the Vitoc drug. We could set up programs to help those find work and teach them how to support themselves. Once a great many of us were slaved but we fought back and earned our freedom. With blood. The road was hard yet we have gained much. They can do the same with our help. Blood for blood is demanded if the Amarr Empire will not release our people. The work will be hard, the price will be high. the end goal will more than justify any price. The price to pay is total destruction of your race. Are you willing to lose whatever you got left , chasing a chimera ?
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.31 07:05:00 - [49] What we have left? When the Amarrians came into Pator and descended onto our planets that was the point in which we lost everything we had. At that point we had nothing left. Only if you could bring us back to that point would you be able to take everything from us, which you can not do. I welcome every Amarr slaver into this fight and those that support slavers such as yourself. You are rascist against my race which was proved with your statement about polishing your ship/ Your words have been meaningless since then. But I will indulge you. You will not be able to take everything from us again. I am not scared to lose. I will give everything to free my people. Our rebellion has not ceased since it first began, it has only changed tactics but since Amarr only responds with war then that is what I will give you.
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.31 08:41:00 - [50] Someone should put a leash on this one

Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.31 15:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Shiv Katall What we have left? When the Amarrians came into Pator and descended onto our planets that was the point in which we lost everything we had. At that point we had nothing left. Only if you could bring us back to that point would you be able to take everything from us, which you can not do. I welcome every Amarr slaver into this fight and those that support slavers such as yourself. You are rascist against my race which was proved with your statement about polishing your ship/ Your words have been meaningless since then. But I will indulge you. You will not be able to take everything from us again. I am not scared to lose. I will give everything to free my people. Our rebellion has not ceased since it first began, it has only changed tactics but since Amarr only responds with war then that is what I will give you. You take this to far..i understand youre feelings but you underestimate the Amarr,if you make them wage war against the Minmatar it will be you who destroys what we have managed to build,the odds of victory against the Amarr are to low..patience is needed.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.31 15:55:00 - [52] Edited by: Heldane on 31/08/2006 15:55:41 A pity for you Shiv that wars cannot be won by sheer bravado. Again I hear the mention of these freed slaves being educated, fed and taken care of once they are cast out, yet the republic has thus far proven that this is not in fact the truth. Do you deny the mass exodus of the matari tribes from the republic? Do you deny the rampant criminal and pirate activity that infests the republic borders? You say these abandoned slaves would be cared for, but how can this reeling farce of a government cough hope to care for even more displaced refugees? Free the slaves is a convenient rallying cry for those short sighted individuals who only wish to free their brethren because they view their very existence as some emotional stain on their honor. I am certain these freedom fighters will not be spending their time working in the shelters and derelict habs the vast majority of these forsaken souls will end up in were this "liberation" to come to pass.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.31 16:07:00 - [53] Oh quite a few are working to help the slaves,pod pilots however,are not,they are needed for other duties and it is mostly left in others hands,but they are very capable hands! And yes..some Minmatar have gone to the Federation,they have proven themselfes to be strong allies,and a good people,Minmatar going there only help to improve relationships,as i am sure i will one day lend my guns to them,as they help us we shall help them. And please,short-sighted for liberating slaves?For not assuming that slavery is good for them?You are just as short-sighted in assuming that freedom is such a bad thing for a Minmatar,so thats hardly a valid statement.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:00:00 - [54] Edited by: Heldane on 31/08/2006 17:01:38 these message services can be appaling in their buggyness at times
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:01:00 - [55]
General Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Shiv Katall You are rascist against my race which was proved with your statement about polishing your ship/ Your words have been meaningless since then. But I will indulge you. You are a racist against interracial comunication and prosperity. And by the way factional war is deployed in december so untill then keep hiding in your alliance space.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:13:00 - [57] Edited by: Heldane on 31/08/2006 17:16:13 Originally by: Rakatan Ronala Oh quite a few are working to help the slaves,pod pilots however,are not,they are needed for other duties and it is mostly left in others hands,but they are very capable hands! Which capable hands would these be? The hands of the republic that has already demonstrated a total inability to deal with the current refugee problem? Or will it be the hands of the gallente federation that is already becoming frustrated with the inability of the matari to handle their own problems after adapting so horribly to their democratic ideals? Originally by: Rakatan Ronala And yes..some Minmatar have gone to the Federation,they have proven themselfes to be strong allies,and a good people,Minmatar going there only help to improve relationships,as i am sure i will one day lend my guns to them,as they help us we shall help them. Yes, give untrained people guns and set them loose. With this reasoning you only prove what we Amarr have known for generations. The matari are base savages that require guidance and control lest they become a danger to themselves and all peaceful people of our galaxy. Out of kindness and dutiful adherance to holy scripture we have generously accepted this burden as our own. Originally by: Rakatan Ronala And please,short-sighted for liberating slaves?For not assuming that slavery is good for them?You are just as short-sighted in assuming that freedom is such a bad thing for a Minmatar,so thats hardly a valid statement. Yes, extremely short sighted. It is a simple thing to lay down demands for liberation of slaves when you are not the one to be left with the logistical nightmare of having to suddenly deal with an influx on millions of refugees demanding to be provided for. I assure you that the powers within the republic and the federation quietly recognize the service we Amarr provide by selflessly dealing with this problem.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:25:00 - [58] You have also demonstrated a total inability to deal with the problem of slaves wanting to be free,the gallente and minmatars can deal with the refugee problem,especially when both lend help,is it that whrong to accept aid? And i didnt say id start handing out guns to the first minmatar i see,ofcourse they have to learn to use one first,must i state every little detail for you to get it? And i assure you it is not reconized,replace selflessly with selfishly and you might be on to sompthing,a nightmare as it may be it is a nightmare they willingly go through to help them,and do you think doing the liberating is easy?Taking care of the refugees is no more difficult then freeing them in the first place..unless ofcourse the slaver in question is completely incompetent. Now you speak alot of scriptures,and god,and more of how you wish to help them get closer to god like the ways of the Amarr,you should get one thing in youre head:Minmatar ways are not Amarr ways,just because a race is not like yours dousnt make it any less,if you believe otherwise you are blind,very blind,but that was already obvious.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:36:00 - [59] Please do try harder. I do not hide anywhere. I travel thru all of empire whenever I wish to. To the people who think doing nothing or patience is the best course of action. You will never amount to anyting until you try. Patience for what? You think the Republic will do anything? Of course not because they fear the military might of the Amarr Navy. This is why we must support The Defiants. Right now they are out there waiting for their time to strike. Our time, the pod pilot forces of the Republic is coming all too soon. That is why I said we must begin preparing ourselves for this. I could be wrong, The Republic agents could be planning hit and run strikes against the empire at this very moment. We must choose our targets carefully and strike with lightning speed and accuracy. I refuse to sit by just because they are bigger. As long as the med clone bays continue to work I will continue to fight. To the people who say the Republic could not handle such masses. This is no reason to give up. I am free now because of the first rebellion. When we defeated you we had nothing. You had destroyed all of our ships when you took our space. Now look at us. We may not have the prettiest ships, but they hit just as hard as every other races.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:43:00 - [60] Edited by: Heldane on 31/08/2006 17:45:08 Originally by: Rakatan Ronala ,must i state every little detail for you to get it? Actually I would like to see any amount of detail from you. You use blanket statements and broad generalizations when addressing the question of care for the liberated slaves, yet all evidence points to the complete inability for any of these rehabilitation methods you suggest to be practically employed. If the federation and the republic are so well equipped to deal with this issue then why is there already a problem with the placement and care of the current matari transients? We Amarr are the ones who truly care for the matari. We offer them solace and a meaningful life of studious work and devotion to God. It is my belief and hope that the wayward children such as you will one day realize the error of their ways and return to their proper homes and place in the greater scheme of things. Continuously we offer the matari our hand in hopes that you will recognize the sincere generosity behind our efforts. The republic cannot care for them, the federation does not want them. Only here among God's chosen people can they find true peace and learn their proper position in life.



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