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Auvergne Emir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.22 06:19:56 -
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All stations and capital ships sizes need rescaling please
Carriers need to be bigger; jumping from my Nado into a Nidd just looks wrong in terms of scale.
There just doesn't seem to be enough wow factor anymore. Make it BIG.
(even titans are pretty underwhelming in 2014)
And then you have new concrete to work with when CCP reinvents CTs |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.11.22 06:38:00 -
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Auvergne Emir wrote:All stations and capital ships sizes need rescaling please Carriers need to be bigger; jumping from my Nado into a Nidd just looks wrong in terms of scale. There just doesn't seem to be enough wow factor anymore. Make it BIG. (even titans are pretty underwhelming in 2014) And then you have new concrete to work with when CCP reinvents CTs
Considering the nado has a half-kilometer height, I think you may be misunderstanding the ship sizes.
Carriers are around 1.5 times the size of standard star destroyers in Star Wars. A condor is 7 times the size of an X-wing. Even small drones are almost the size of an X-wing.
Everything in eve is pretty big. Titans are comparable to the Executor, the largest (that I am aware of) vessel in Star Wars.
(Sorry for the star wars usage, but stuff in Eve seems inherently smaller than it actually is since all you see is yourself piloting it, and battlecruisers/battleships are not difficult to fly in comparison to capital ships, but are actually pretty comparable in size. )
If you are referring to increasing the size of the nid by like 1km, yeah, that could make sense. But it still will be pretty small compared to BCs/BSs, just like all carriers.
Barghest is actually 3/4 the size of the nid. Pretty crazy how big that BS is.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.11.22 07:13:20 -
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The common rifter, produced in swarms and generally thought tiny and cute, is the size of the lovely 74-flipping 7. It is purely an issue of internal scaling, but no good method of re-scaling exists that does not nerf capitals. On second thought, rescale them, rescale them all night long.
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Aroused Missile
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.11.22 07:13:43 -
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I agree station are WAY TO ******* SMALL. I somewhat agree that some Titans looks kinda small(the avatar needs to be stretched length wise) |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.11.22 08:07:09 -
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I do agree on bigger stations though. Would be nice for Jita undock to be a lot less crowded.
Look at the death star, that thing is 160km in diameter or something. That's like 10 titans.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2014.11.22 08:34:17 -
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With the amount of crap Jita 4-4 is holding, the damn thing should take up the whole solar system. Or at least be the size of a large moon.
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Auvergne Emir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.22 08:35:58 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Look at the death star, that thing is 160km in diameter or something. That's like 10 titans.
Precisely. That's what I'm talking about. Since you brought StarWars into it;
Super StarDestroyer = Titan StarDestroyer = Carrier/Dread somewhere in the middle = Super Carriers Millenium Falcon?? = BC? Cruiser?
Super StarDestroyer plunging into Death Star - size of a splinter - more like it. Millenium Falcon sitting on back of radar mast of StarDestroyer in Empire - tiny tiny - more like it.
You get the idea |
Auvergne Emir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.22 08:37:23 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:With the amount of crap Jita 4-4 is holding, the damn thing should take up the whole solar system. Or at least be the size of a large moon.
haha
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
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Posted - 2014.11.22 09:48:22 -
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Auvergne Emir wrote:All stations and capital ships sizes need rescaling please Carriers need to be bigger; jumping from my Nado into a Nidd just looks wrong in terms of scale. There just doesn't seem to be enough wow factor anymore. Make it BIG. (even titans are pretty underwhelming in 2014) And then you have new concrete to work with when CCP reinvents CTs capital ships (and bs) don't feel any bigger than smaller ships when you're flying them. i wonder if using some sort of camera effect could make them feel bigger? i think a big part of them feeling the same is the camera changing its minimum distance by ship class
also, maybe capitals having higher resolution textures will make them look bigger? i wonder if that's technically possible |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.11.22 12:29:00 -
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All scaling and proportions could use a re-investigation. That includes stars.
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.22 13:54:41 -
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i dunno - ships seem pretty massive to me.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.11.22 15:02:58 -
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A Navy Comet next to an NPC Megathron zoomed out. You can barely see the comet compared to the Megathron. |
Eryn Velasquez
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Posted - 2014.11.22 15:18:52 -
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a normal carrier has a ship maintenance bay of 1.000.000 m-¦. Is there a special technology used which allows 2 battleships to be stored inside? Because every battleship's volume exceeds this.
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2014.11.22 17:46:41 -
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The current large size of capital ships as is, creates a lot of issues. Scaling up the size of large ships and stations would exacerbate bumping, alignment, cyno, fleet warping, and pos problems, without providing any benefit to the game other than "Nice. Things look bigger. But they're not big enough, accurate scale please" |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2014.11.22 17:53:47 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote:a normal carrier has a ship maintenance bay of 1.000.000 m-¦. Is there a special technology used which allows 2 battleships to be stored inside? Because every battleship's volume exceeds this.
Assembled ship volumes (x1000m3) Scorpion 468 raven 486 rokh 486
armageddon 486 apocalypse 495 abaddon 495
dominix 454 megathron 486 hyperion 495
typhoon 414 tempest 450 maelstrom 472
All navy variants: Same as tech 1. <496 All tech 2 variants: Same as tech 1. <496
Bhaalgorn 486 Nestor 486 Nightmare 486 Rattlesnake 486 Vindicator 486
COMPLETE LIST of battleships that exceed 500k m3: Barghest Machariel
If you could actually do the tiniest bit of research before crying for balance to a problem that does not exist, that'd be great...
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.11.22 20:32:12 -
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.22 20:56:16 -
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Auvergne Emir wrote:All stations and capital ships sizes need rescaling please Carriers need to be bigger; jumping from my Nado into a Nidd just looks wrong in terms of scale. There just doesn't seem to be enough wow factor anymore. Make it BIG. (even titans are pretty underwhelming in 2014) And then you have new concrete to work with when CCP reinvents CTs EVE needs a supertitan. does nothing, except dwarf all other sci-fi ships ever, on comparison charts.
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:25:07 -
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I will not be satisfied until supercarriers have their own moons. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:25:56 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Auvergne Emir wrote:All stations and capital ships sizes need rescaling please Carriers need to be bigger; jumping from my Nado into a Nidd just looks wrong in terms of scale. There just doesn't seem to be enough wow factor anymore. Make it BIG. (even titans are pretty underwhelming in 2014) And then you have new concrete to work with when CCP reinvents CTs EVE needs a supertitan. does nothing, except dwarf all other sci-fi ships ever, on comparison charts. This, so totally this.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:28:42 -
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10x the dimensions of a titan. so 1,000x the volume. and materials.
what. I didn't say it should be easy.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:43:21 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Auvergne Emir wrote:All stations and capital ships sizes need rescaling please Carriers need to be bigger; jumping from my Nado into a Nidd just looks wrong in terms of scale. There just doesn't seem to be enough wow factor anymore. Make it BIG. (even titans are pretty underwhelming in 2014) And then you have new concrete to work with when CCP reinvents CTs EVE needs a supertitan. does nothing, except dwarf all other sci-fi ships ever, on comparison charts.
Lrn2Lore. Empires have them our titans are just mass produced BABBY TITANS that are dwarfed by the real titans the empires have.
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Steppa Musana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:42:48 -
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+1 for moon size Jita 4-4 |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:35:25 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:With the amount of crap Jita 4-4 is holding, the damn thing should take up the whole solar system. Or at least be the size of a large moon. it would be neat if every six weeks CCP added some new structural parts for stations, and have that coded so that regular activity around any station would slight'y increase its size over time, only driven by players activity!
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:28:22 -
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Auvergne Emir wrote:Precisely. That's what I'm talking about. Since you brought StarWars into it; Super StarDestroyer = Titan StarDestroyer = Carrier/Dread somewhere in the middle = Super Carriers Millenium Falcon?? = BC? Cruiser? Super StarDestroyer plunging into Death Star - size of a splinter - more like it. Millenium Falcon sitting on back of radar mast of StarDestroyer in Empire - tiny tiny - more like it. You get the idea Falcon actually = smaller than Eve shuttle. It's listed at 34m long as it's longest dimension. The Caldari Shuttle as the smallest shuttle is 44m longest axis.
Try actually researching before you post things. Battle Cruisers are 400-500m in size on average, about 15* the length of the Falcon. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:55:42 -
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All ships look the same size when you sit in it as the camera has to adjust, you wouldnt want a ship taking up your whole screen and not being able to see anything
the size difference is when you pull up next to one, not sit in it
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.11.23 06:57:25 -
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James Baboli wrote:The common rifter, produced in swarms and generally thought tiny and cute, is the size of the lovely 74-flipping 7. It is purely an issue of internal scaling, but no good method of re-scaling exists that does not nerf capitals. On second thought, rescale them, rescale them all night long.
Part of the scale problem is that details like canopies and bridge windows on frigates that should be 10 times the size of a human head at most are the size of houses. |
Auvergne Emir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 07:40:43 -
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Nice poster. Looking at it I realise, while I still believe there is some modelling to be redone, Benny has a point about textures and default camera positions.
Another good example (they are endless when I think about it) when viewing carriers and dreads in station, there should be barely enough room in your hangar graphically speaking. And you can work the scaling from there. In fact why not remodel station interiors too! Gallente at least, it doesn't look like hangar, more like a cake stand. Maybe time for a little detail, it needs points of interest, it needs to look more like, well, a SPACESHIP HANGAR, ccp! I know we were all supposed to stop ship spinning a long time ago with ambulation, so I understand how station interiors and there changes have developed. But the token gesture of rendering passing spaceships in the remaining three races stations' (correct me if I'm wrong but Amarr had them for longer) was at best humorous at the time, but now just look terrible. Since we all agreed a long time ago that a large tranche of Eve pilots have to have 3D ship models to rotate in station (forever - otherwise we'd never play again) isn't it actually time to improve hangar interiors, or at least bring them into line with captains quarters?
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Auvergne Emir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 10:07:04 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Falcon actually = smaller than Eve shuttle. It's listed at 34m long as it's longest dimension. The Caldari Shuttle as the smallest shuttle is 44m longest axis.
Try actually researching before you post things. Battle Cruisers are 400-500m in size on average, about 15* the length of the Falcon.
Get real bro, firstly don't 8itch at me about research, I can wholly appreciate and am not surprised at all by the dimensions you mention - I never said the dimensions in Eve and SW are the same - all you have done is illustrate my point entirely. What is the Falcon compared to an Eve shuttle? In the Falcon (armed and used by Han for smuggling) you can fit tens of people, droids, ammo and princesses. In an Eve shuttle? barely enough room for your donut holder.
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.23 12:48:20 -
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Auvergne Emir wrote:
Millenium Falcon?? = BC? Cruiser?
More like shuttle, or rookie frigate. In size.
Just because there is a big window on the front of a shuttle, doesn't mean it's the size of a person. Look around for other (smaller) windows on the shuttles and you will get what I mean.
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Eryn Velasquez
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:07:23 -
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Arronicus wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:a normal carrier has a ship maintenance bay of 1.000.000 m-¦. Is there a special technology used which allows 2 battleships to be stored inside? Because every battleship's volume exceeds this.
Assembled ship volumes (x1000m3) Scorpion 468 raven 486 rokh 486 armageddon 486 apocalypse 495 abaddon 495 dominix 454 megathron 486 hyperion 495 typhoon 414 tempest 450 maelstrom 472 All navy variants: Same as tech 1. <496 All tech 2 variants: Same as tech 1. <496 Bhaalgorn 486 Nestor 486 Nightmare 486 Rattlesnake 486 Vindicator 486 COMPLETE LIST of battleships that exceed 500k m3: Barghest Machariel If you could actually do the tiniest bit of research before crying for balance to a problem that does not exist, that'd be great...
Nice try, but the assembled ship volumes under "attributes" are a joke. Take the Machariel for example.
about 1400m long, if you take a look at the picture http://wallpapersinhq.com/images/big/machariel-1433584.jpg
i would assume it's around 6-7 times longer than wide, and around 100m high, so we have 1400x200x100=28.000.000m-¦
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