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Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:13:00 - [1] Lets just stop having a mini-heart attack and think about this rationally. Many MMORPG's out there do not allow multiclienting or people to own more then 1 account, EVE is one of the few that does, actually EVE ENCOURAGES people to have multiple accounts via "The power of two" style ads. I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks about allowing 1 account per person or allowing only a single account active at one time (via allowing only 1 copy of Eve running). Personally I can see a few advantages. 1) It would cut down on the ammount of afk / macro miners. 2) It would encourage more roleplay, or at least more responsibility of players. Far too many people use alts to talk crap, cause problems and generally do things they wouldn't do if it would affect their main character. 3) It would solve this whole alt spy issue. 4) It would encourage more teamwork. One of the things that annoys me is the fact that many players are almost entirely self sufficient with 4/5+ characters for industry, research / mining etc, while thats all good a persons finances should'nt allow them to get out of the MMO part of EVE. Sorry all i'm very very tired and not talking much sence, but i'd like to hear everyones feedback on the pros and cons of doing this. No flaming or trolls if you please, I want opinions not screams. ========== -Dano Sarum GitP CEO & Founder GitP Recruitment Thread
Zirator Times of Ancar R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:15:00 - [2] I've never heard of a game that has a rule that says your not allowed more then 1 account.
Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:19:00 - [3] Quite a few dont allow more then 1 to be played at a time, thats the issue I'm mainly concerned about. ========== -Dano Sarum GitP CEO & Founder GitP Recruitment Thread
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:19:00 - [4] Then people with multiple PC's... //Maya
Jack Thurner Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Dano Sarum I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks about allowing 1 account per person or allowing only a single account active at one time (via allowing only 1 copy of Eve running). That would lower the amount of subscriptions from 160k to around 80k,, go figure why there aint any rule about it? :P
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:20:00 - [6] Name em. //Maya
Remedios Sonrisa Eve University	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:21:00 - [7] Not economically profitable or advantageous for CCP /: Great, now I have John Lennon singing in my head. Time to wash it out with some Kenny Chesney! Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Lisa Payne	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Jack Thurner That would lower the amount of subscriptions from 160k to around 80k,, go figure why there aint any rule about it? :P Actually it would lower it from 160k to 30k which is what we see daily :)
Elliot Reid Serenity Prime Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:22:00 - [9] As has been said CCP would lose money and unless they've been on the sauce far too much in Iceland they ain't ever gonna even think about it subconciously. Also what mmo's restrict the amount of accounts you can have? I've played many mmo's, having multiple accounts in a fair few, and have never encounted one that would willingly reduce their income. ___________________________________________________ Serenity Prime Is Recruiting
Pizi Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:22:00 - [10] it would be great if its possible , but since it isnt executeable ...forget it EVEpedia [Deutsch/German] Say no to BMs
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Dano Sarum I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks about allowing 1 account per person or allowing only a single account active at one time (via allowing only 1 copy of Eve running). Regardless of the pro's or con's of doing it, it's not actually possible to enforce such a rule properly. If I pay using GTC, they can't find my multiple accounts by matching credit cards, and I can enter pretty much what I like for contact details. Can generate as many free email addresses as I like, so no matching there either. I can get around restrictions of only one eve process at once by using my other PC, or if you're clever, you can just use some of the virtualisation stuff out there to make your PC think it's two seperate PCs (which is even easier now that eve can be run under linux). Even one connection per IP wouldn't help, I get 8 IP's free with my connection. All you'd do is discourage the use of second accounts by legitimate players, and the determined ones will still succeed (and there would be step-by-step guides up on how to do it within 24 hours of the change going live). It wouldn't stop the macroers/farmers at all. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Ozzie Asrail Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:25:00 - [12] I've never played a mmo that does not allow multiboxing?? -----
Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:25:00 - [13] Well so far everyones said really "how would that be possible" and "CCP would loose money". We're talking fairy tales and make believe here, lets assume it WAS possible, lets assume it WAS able to be enforced and lets assume it WAS an option. Then what? Would it be better for the community? Would it make the game more enjoyable as a whole? ========== -Dano Sarum GitP CEO & Founder GitP Recruitment Thread
Sadayiel Caldari Tropical Killer Bananas	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:25:00 - [14] i think the main trouble is that most of other mmorpg clients not support very well 2 clients running in same machine, even for game mechanics or for resources need. The dual account running is an old well know issue in mmorpgs and i never heard something against, i even think most of old games changed to window option to facility such, since it's still an income advantage for company. -------------------Sig----------------------- WE ARE MERCS, Contact QUADIX LEIME OR ALEXIE STUKOV for further info.
Goliath Scorpion Amarr The Buggers	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Goliath Scorpion on 31/08/2006 20:26:38 Never heard of only one account per household(?) / IP(?) / person(?) in any MMO, and I've played most popular ones.
var'ulfur Caldari blackwater	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:47:00 - [16] sigh yet another one. why would it make you happy if we could only use one account??? this avatar has been here since the game spawned ive heard this countless times and not one of the posters ever gave a good reason why thier should be one account per household ip/ect. talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:51:00 - [17] I very rarely run both of mine at once, and I could easily do without running them both at all.
Linerra Tedora Amarr Criss Cross	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:51:00 - [18] many of the old MUDS, didn't allow 2 or more characters online at the same time... it was easily enforcable by just taking a quick ip readout, and find doubles... then give a warning or ban... could be doable, by having the eve client sending your true ip, to the server, so you cannot mask it. EvE-CCG Spoiler Database
Vanlade Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:52:00 - [19] Edited by: Vanlade on 31/08/2006 20:55:09 Edited, please delete - Vanlade
Burner23	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:56:00 - [20] CCP would not get money from 10.000 accounts. and the server would have 18k peeps playing.. or maybe even less....
Abyss Jack Serial Chill3rz	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:03:00 - [21] afaik ccp thought about allowing only 1 account per player, but it was a little bit strange after the -power of two- offer from them so nvm /abyss
Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:04:00 - [22] For the love of god, how many times must it be said. Yes there are, and were many MUD's and MMO's that had this old rule. I'm not interested in the money side of things, im asking you NOT to use this in the argument. I'm also not interested in the technical side of things, I'm asking you to assume it IS possible. The issue is this... If it were possible, would what would be the benefits / downfalls of bringing 1 player ingame at a time / 1 account ingame at a time. ========== -Dano Sarum GitP CEO & Founder GitP Recruitment Thread
Lemming Merangue	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Dano Sarum Well so far everyones said really "how would that be possible" and "CCP would loose money". We're talking fairy tales and make believe here, lets assume it WAS possible, lets assume it WAS able to be enforced and lets assume it WAS an option. Then what? Would it be better for the community? Would it make the game more enjoyable as a whole? Most people dont care whether it would be better or worse mainly because it will never happen. Its a bit like asking what would it be like if people lived on the surface of the sun. Its not going to happen so why concern yourself. Why don't you tell us what you think and we'll debate it.
Azrael Bierce Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Linerra Tedora could be doable, by having the eve client sending your true ip, to the server, so you cannot mask it. "True IP"? So you're saying they'll ban all of the people connecting from 10.0.0.1 Egads man.
Abyss Jack Serial Chill3rz	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:11:00 - [25] I don't expect much changes. So far near everything is soloable but won't be farmable anymore with only 1 char. And ye btw ebay/forums will get flooded with alt chars.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:13:00 - [26] Sigh. People really need to read something before they respond with their generic copy and paste phrases ;) Yes, just one account would be more in line with the general idea of eve as a virtual world. Mostly because of responsibility issues. It would however, collide with the idea of eve the game, because of 2 reasons: 1. Responsibility is something many people want to get away from - its a burden for many. 2. Multiple accounts are as inherent to eve as ISK <-> real money conversion. Even if you can prevent it in fairy wonderland, the fundamental issues will still be there, and cause tension. Besides the obvious SP x accounts formula, there are many more reasons to get accounts: slots (RP, Production and Research jobs, soon contracts etc), scouts (shuttle or market pricecheckers, soon contract checkers) etc. I mentioned it in the contracts thread, and it will still make sense here: when the most efficient way to play a competitive game is not the most fun one (or even banned), the game design is problematic. Macros (wether full afk bots or just drag to can "anti wrist pain") are the best way to mine in empire - everyone knows this, wether macros work or not. Even if eve came out 1984, and macros would be punished by death, there would still be the subconcious feeling about it. Basically, its an unsolvable problem - eve game mechanics strongly favor multi-account use, while it goes directly against the "spirit of the game" / roleplaying aspect.
Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:13:00 - [27] I think that on the positive side... 1) It will remove the number of macrominers ingame by making them easier to detect. 2) Cut down on all these alt scouts / spys. 3) Increase teamwork ingame, what with the need for convoys and dedicated scouts to go on ahead. 4) Increase the ammount of roleplaying, or at very least have people CARE more about their reputation ingame. 5) Cut down on scammers, see point #4. Tons of thing... ========== -Dano Sarum GitP CEO & Founder GitP Recruitment Thread
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Dano Sarum IMAGINE if people were ONLY allowed to use ONE copy of Eve running at any time I would go stir crazy. One account. Sorry, that's like wearing the same underwear every day of the year. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Siri Blue Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:17:00 - [29] If it WAS possible... Let me see... No more Alt scammers...less Isk sellers...no more alt forum posts...people had to be more cautious what they say and do since it affects their main character every time... If it WAS possible... It would make the game and the forums a better place I recon...
Goliath Scorpion Amarr The Buggers	Posted - 2006.08.31 21:17:00 - [30] I don't know why you seem fanatically interested in people's opinions on this, but I wouldn't see it having much impact either way. I know some people like to dual log for support in mission running. Some mine and haul by dual logging, but not I, nor anyone I know runs more than one account at a time, at least not with a purpose.

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