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Gaming God
Calum MacNeal Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.11.25 06:33:01 -
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Ok tere is high sec and null sec in highsec there is concord to protect you and we have wardecs to be able to kill in high sec so far so good :)
Sounds like a fair system ?
But then there are bling bling mods in highsec the are being sold by the gankers to the rich carebears that are protected by concord.
After the sel of the bling bling mod the go to an locater agent and the wil find the carebear and kill him bevore concord can do anyting ad al .
AHHH there we go concord is a joke ? It is easyer to kil some one in highsec the it is in nulsec ? There is no high sec ?
OK why do the not remove concord because we want gankers to be abel to gank ? And we can see the can gank everyting the want because concord is a JOKE
So remove concord ?
if we do that we can stop the big lie that high sec is safe and that concord wil protect you and ganking wil be legal .
Ganking needs to be legal ? YES . Then why do we have CONCORD ? and HIGHSEC ?
DAM i am so confused :(
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 06:40:04 -
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Concord does not protect you. Concord has never protected you. Concord will never protect you. They punish the baddies after the fact. The only things protecting you are yourself and the fear others have of being punished for doing the bad thing.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
2081
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Posted - 2014.11.25 06:45:55 -
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Obvious bait thread #9823486295672659
A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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Gaming God
Calum MacNeal Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.11.25 06:58:40 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Concord does not protect you. Concord has never protected you. Concord will never protect you. They punish the baddies after the fact. The only things protecting you are yourself and the fear others have of being punished for doing the bad thing.
Yes concord and highsec are an joke you are right :)
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3712
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:06:33 -
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So, cunning player acquires purple module, sells purple module to an unworthy owner, then goes and collects purple module back from the unworthy owner.
Sounds like highsec is allowing the cunning to create conflict, opportunity, destruction and excitement. Good.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:29:04 -
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Gaming God wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Concord does not protect you. Concord has never protected you. Concord will never protect you. They punish the baddies after the fact. The only things protecting you are yourself and the fear others have of being punished for doing the bad thing.
Yes concord and highsec are an joke you are right :) Actually, I was being completely serious. Concord exists to punish, not protect. The only thing mildly funny would be actually believing that they are supposed to protect you. There is no joke. We all bear the consequences of our own actions and failures to act. |
Gaming God
Calum MacNeal Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:33:50 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Gaming God wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Concord does not protect you. Concord has never protected you. Concord will never protect you. They punish the baddies after the fact. The only things protecting you are yourself and the fear others have of being punished for doing the bad thing.
Yes concord and highsec are an joke you are right :) Actually, I was being completely serious. Concord exists to punish, not protect. The only thing mildly funny would be actually believing that they are supposed to protect you. There is no joke. We all bear the consequences of our own actions and failures to act.
So if there is no protection or false protection in High Sec ? What is then the difference between hi and nullsec for the victem ? |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:43:08 -
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There are no bubbles in high sec, so assuming that you keep your cool you should almost always be able to get your pod out. Aside from that there aren't many differences for the recipient of the booms. On the other hand, in Null they get to keep their ships, your loot, and your frozen corpse after they violate you without consent. In high sec they lose their ship automatically for pulling the trigger, plus get a 15 minute time out during which they cannot undock in another ship without it happening again.... In other words, there are greater repercussions in high for the aggressor than elsewhere. |
Paranoid Loyd
2793
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:45:11 -
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Relevant
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:48:47 -
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*wince* ouch... |
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Gaming God
Calum MacNeal Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:51:36 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:There are no bubbles in high sec, so assuming that you keep your cool you should almost always be able to get your pod out. Aside from that there aren't many differences for the recipient of the booms. On the other hand, in Null they get to keep their ships, your loot, and your frozen corpse after they violate you without consent. In high sec they lose their ship automatically for pulling the trigger, plus get a 15 minute time out during which they cannot undock in another ship without it happening again.... In other words, there are greater repercussions in high for the aggressor than elsewhere.
You are talking about the penaltys for the aggressor but i was asking for the diference for the victem most cases the gankers have extra ships to gank your pod to :) |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:58:42 -
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Actually, the pod spawns after the initial ship is popped and aligns pretty much instantly. If you're already spamming warp to a celestial or safe point before your structure vaporizes, the odds are VERY good that your pod will safely warp away regardless of how many ships there are out there. In null those warp bubbles removes this option completely, meaning if you're in one you are a meatsickle to be.
Getting your pod out: http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/06/getting-your-pod-out.html Ganking avoidance: http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/counter-ganking.html
And as far as shiny fits go, you might want to consider limiting your overall module values so they at least don't exceed the cost of the hull of your ship. Just an idea. T2 with a few faction mods generally wont raise too many eyebrows, but driving round with a gold plated hood ornament and sterling silver spinning rims is going to draw unwanted attention. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 08:01:18 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:RelevantYour killboard is a testament to why the rules are the way they are. The big part Omar didn't mention is you have a very limited time frame to kill the target. I admit to limited experience in the nuances of the craft as it's not my playstyle, errors will be made. |
Gaming God
Calum MacNeal Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.11.25 08:01:20 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Concord does not protect you. Concord has never protected you. Concord will never protect you. They punish the baddies after the fact. The only things protecting you are yourself and the fear others have of being punished for doing the bad thing.
If concord is not there to protect why is there then a system raing wit a concord response time ? why is concor responding quiker in a 1.0 system ? compared to a 0.5 system ?
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Gaming God
Calum MacNeal Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.11.25 08:06:47 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Actually, the pod spawns after the initial ship is popped and aligns pretty much instantly. If you're already spamming warp to a celestial or safe point before your structure vaporizes, the odds are VERY good that your pod will safely warp away regardless of how many ships there are out there. In null those warp bubbles removes this option completely, meaning if you're in one you are a meatsickle to be. Getting your pod out: http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/06/getting-your-pod-out.html Ganking avoidance: http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/counter-ganking.html And as far as shiny fits go, you might want to consider limiting your overall module values so they at least don't exceed the cost of the hull of your ship. Just an idea. T2 with a few faction mods generally wont raise too many eyebrows, but driving round with a gold plated hood ornament and sterling silver spinning rims is going to draw unwanted attention.
I ask you why dit the gank my empty freighter ? Let me try . The just wanted the kill mail the even dont want anny bling bling ad all |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.11.25 08:15:41 -
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It's also possible that one or more of the people involved sell freighters as well. Any ship with a big price tag is going get eyed regardless of what's on/in it. I know that when I'm out in search of heretics to purify by fire, I look for pirate/navy faction ships first and foremost. Most are wise enough to either ignore me or dock up and hide under their bunks. Flying safe and smart can help minimize the risks of having your ship taken away from you. However, when you go over the top with your fit and someone notices they are going to organize and hunt you for what you have. The variable concord response and security status of systems is there to give players an idea of the 'relative' safety of that system. In 1.0 the response time IS super fast, but this doesn't mean it's impossible to have a gank happen, it just means that the gankers have to be organized and johnny on the spot with their game, as they aren't going to have more than a few seconds to pull the crime off. In 0.5 there's a great deal more time for them to work. |
CCR WhiteHawk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 08:42:36 -
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Gaming God wrote:Ok tere is high sec and null sec in highsec there is concord to protect you and we have wardecs to be able to kill in high sec so far so good :)
Sounds like a fair system ?
But then there are bling bling mods in highsec the are being sold by the gankers to the rich carebears that are protected by concord.
After the sel of the bling bling mod the go to an locater agent and the wil find the carebear and kill him bevore concord can do anyting ad al .
AHHH there we go concord is a joke ? It is easyer to kil some one in highsec then it is in nulsec ? There is no high sec ?
OK why do the not remove concord because we want gankers to be abel to gank ? And we can see the can gank everyting the want because concord is a JOKE
So remove concord ?
if we do that we can stop the big lie that high sec is safe and that concord wil protect you and ganking wil be legal .
Ganking needs to be legal ? YES . Then why do we have CONCORD ? and HIGHSEC ?
DAM i am so confused :(
To put this simply,
If you get stabbed in your house then it is not the polices fault for not being there to be able to stop the assailant.
HOWEVER the police are responsible for finding the criminal and bringing him/her to justice.
Just the same with CONCORD, they punish after the act of crime has been committed, not before. |
Hippinse
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:08:57 -
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CONCORD is kind of like a game warden. They'll show up after someone gets mauled and shoot the bear.
Don't rely on CONCORD. Learn to avoid the bear. Sometimes this is as simple as being less attractive to maul than the person next to you. |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4432
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:44:29 -
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Interesting name the OP has considering the reason for this post.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2190
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:55:54 -
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CONCORD is a 'statistical' game mechanic - it makes sense if you look at the big picture.
For each individual player, it doesn't make such a big difference. If someone is determined to kill you, they will.
For highsec as a whole, it's a very effective deterrent against everybody and their mum just shooting at eachother all day long.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Ormand Audel
14th Legion The Bloc
11
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:11:21 -
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So is the law and the entirety of government countries a joke (don't answer that)? They don't protect unless they're already there, they only bring down the hammer of "justice", and only then when they have evidence. And they're bribeable. I'd say CONCORD is a helluva lot better than the current one. Oh sure, a few innocents killed here and there when they accidentally break the law, but they always manage to serve justice to people in under a minute in their territory, they're also not bribeable. |
Steppa Musana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:17:06 -
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Gaming God welcome back and thank you for the stealth alert to your killboard. Always a lovely browse! |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
316
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Posted - 2014.11.25 14:59:31 -
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CONCORD does protect you. It destroys the ship of the assailant, lowers his security status, gives him a 15 minute timeout, and generates a kill right for you. It does not recover the loot, like normal law enforcement would, because that would make profitable ganking impossible. Now some of us do think there should be more consequences for ganking, especially by repeat criminals. I have suggested that -10 gankers get a 6 hour GCC timer, with sliding scale downwards to 15 minutes at -2.
In general, to use officer mods properly (and I don't have any), you buy them on an alt with a generic name, trade them to another generic alt, and the blockade runner them out of Jita to your mission hub. Buying them with your main, is, well, asking for it. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
800
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:07:47 -
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look. The truth is that the people who are responding to you (OP) in this thread who happen to be pirates, gankers, pvper's and whatnot... any advice they give you is generally honest (for the most part). The scary thing is the pve'ers are the ones who will give you the bad advice. It doesn't matter if you buy the shinies with your alt and move them out sneaky-like. Once your ship undocks and that frigate with the passive targetter detects that you are driving a pimp-fit sports car, you have become a target to be hunted. Just keep your fits sane, keep your wits about you, and fly safely and you'll likely have no problems running missions in your marauder. Just remember that YOU are the primary force responsible for your own protection and you'll do fine. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
316
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:32:20 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:look. The truth is that the people who are responding to you (OP) in this thread who happen to be pirates, gankers, pvper's and whatnot... any advice they give you is generally honest (for the most part). The scary thing is the pve'ers are the ones who will give you the bad advice. It doesn't matter if you buy the shinies with your alt and move them out sneaky-like. Once your ship undocks and that frigate with the passive targetter detects that you are driving a pimp-fit sports car, you have become a target to be hunted. Just keep your fits sane, keep your wits about you, and fly safely and you'll likely have no problems running missions in your marauder. Just remember that YOU are the primary force responsible for your own protection and you'll do fine.
BR or ceptor out of JITA + cloak, etc....and you will never get scanned. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
802
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:40:05 -
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Undock from mission agent station, you get scanned. Learn to EvE dolt. Goddammit Remiel, your challenges are too hard. I almost made it two weeks :P |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
316
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:43:03 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Undock from mission agent station, you get scanned. Learn to EvE dolt.
Depends where you hub. The SoE ones are camped by scanners sure....but pick a nice quiet hub that's not usually favored...and no one will bother you.
Learn to EvE dolt. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
802
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:51:20 -
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Look, the ultimate bottom line is to assume that you are not safe. Period. The end. That's frakking it. It does not matter where, you simply assume that once you undock your marauder/battleship for glorious combat vs the mighty red plus empire, that someone somewhere will be sitting there idly scanning your blingfit derpmobile and silently fapping to the results. Do not try to freaking split hairs with me, because I don't really give 1/5th of a damn when it comes to statistical veracity. It happens, maybe not right freakin now, but perhaps later... or maybe f'n never. But the shizzle be on the damned menu, so odds are in favor of someone ordering a well done entree of you and a side of any of your little friends who happen to be fool enough to interfere. Just be safe. That's it. If that's not enough, well you can go sod off and enjoy your massive lossmail and podloss. Just don't, please for the love of all that's unholy, DO NOT come back here and ***** about it happening to you, because you bought and paid for the suffering you are enduring on the credit of your own damned foolishness. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
262
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:14:50 -
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If the Mittani article is accurate, you gotta give props to the OP for laughing off the loss and taking a chance on something new, even if that chance didn't end on great terms.
Vote Sabriz!
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
161
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:16:41 -
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You can't post on the forums with out getting ganked.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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