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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:31:32 -
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rip my 18 one cent ganking accounts
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:54:19 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Yes fleet warp and more will be technically bannable under this rule change.
While I believe you're taking this route for the sake of complaining about something, you bring up an interesting point. The fleet warp mechanic is automation for everyone other than the person issuing the command. For the sake of consistency CCP should do away with this cheat as well.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:14:07 -
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Tappits wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX. Because stating eve clients and typing the password in across all accounts and getting to login screens does not effect anything IN GAME. Would dumb people stop going on about fleet warp too as its the most ******** thing in this whole topic.
CCP needs to take a step back and re-evaluate what is fair here. All automation should be banned including but not limited to broadcast inputs, fleet warp, drone assignment and module auto repeating.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:24:53 -
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It's going to be hilarious post-ban when every suicide gank victim accuses the gankers of using ISboxer broadcasting & floods CCP with bogus petitions.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:34:40 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Jared Noan wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules
GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe
GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe
GÇóInteraction with other characters
Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:
Reading into this, fleet warping could be considered a banable offence. You want to take out the lawyer talk, so will I. Fleet warping does not use a 3rd party program, so no. You are quite simply wrong. It uses a function already built into the client by CCP--i.e. it is a designed feature not an exploit. 
CCP has reconsidered the legality of such cheats in the past. I'm sure that with enough forum posting & whine threads over the next 2 years CCP will see this cheat for what it is.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:41:33 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:James Baboli wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:James Baboli wrote:I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder. I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens. I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally. Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing. Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this. The eula doe snot prevent octopuses from playing the game with 8 mice at same time.
Does eve work on a touch-screen currently?
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:58:06 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair?
Automation. CCP needs to take a fair stance on these things after all.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:59:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about.
Yeah dude, people should have to actually play this game if they want to progress.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:01:44 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about. And how does that differ from the auto repeat of any other module? Or are you in favor of the wholesale removal of auto repeat?
Yep, auto-repeat needs to go, period. CCP has shown that they are willing to change their stance on these thing & the banning of ISboxer automation was a beginning step in the right direction. Now they need to follow through.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:03:04 -
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Firestorm Delta wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Automation. CCP needs to take a fair stance on these things after all. They did already. Are you using third party software/hardware? If yes then you are in violation of the EULA. I can only get behind removing auto repeat from mining lasers, or at least strip miners to cut down on afk mining, also I know full well it'll never happen.
That's what the ISboxers said, but CCP that they are willing to change their stance on these matters.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:15:14 -
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Firestorm Delta wrote:ISboxers are also using third party software that was questionable in regards to the EULA, the way modules function is a part of EVE and functions in the way CCP chooses. Everyone has the same functionality in regards to modules. If you don't want any automation at all then you are more than capable of turning off auto-repeat on all your modules.
The only thing CCP did now was take a stance on the use of something that has always been technically against the EULA. The fact that they allowed it for some time does not change that fact.
CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance of unfair gameplay mechanics in the past. The recent policy change regarding ISboxer & automation are great examples of this new stance CCP is undertaking. Given time, there is no reason for them to not go all the way for the sake of fair gameplay & immersion.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:29:27 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Godren Storm wrote:Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought. Not really, since CCP included those commands inside the game client, I think we can safely assume that their use is ok. Otherwise, they could just delete the command options. I do wish people would quit using the same dumbass arguments over and over again.
Everyone safely assumed that input broadcasting was ok & look what happened. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair mechanics.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:38:54 -
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Marilyn Maulerant wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment.
Then by your own reasoning when you alt tab or switch screens and your guns are firing on auto-repeat it is just like IS-boxer and it is abusing a mechanic. Therefore by your own statement auto-repeat must be removed from EVERY module in EvE.
Yes, it should. All automation needs to be removed from EVE for a fair & immersive experience.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:43:07 -
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Dear CCP Falcon,
This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned?
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:45:50 -
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Firestorm Delta wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Godren Storm wrote:Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought. Not really, since CCP included those commands inside the game client, I think we can safely assume that their use is ok. Otherwise, they could just delete the command options. I do wish people would quit using the same dumbass arguments over and over again. Everyone safely assumed that input broadcasting was ok & look what happened. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair mechanics. If they decide to change them in the future then they will. Remember that the legality of said built in options has NEVER been in question, while the use of macros and such as been against the EULA since before I even started playing. Also remember it's not ISBoxer that's banned, its the use of third party features that allow a single player to control multiple accounts while only having to input one set of commands. Botting, automation of controls, and stuff like that has been against the EULA for some time, CCP just decided to make it clear that broadcasting commands to multiple game sessions does in fact fall under that category, and is therefore bannable.
CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:50:06 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Hott Pocket wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Bakla Firoz wrote:I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart?
Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong. 1 month is minimum. I have 10 accounts. Three of them I will keep forever, because I absolutely love Eve. 7 are ISBoxer miners, paid in full until October 2015. I fully support the (effective) banning of ISBoxer, as it will be easier to be competitive without it. However, will CCP offer ISBoxers with a significant real $$ investment a way out? Perhaps converting unused subs to PLEX, or moving the game time to my other accounts? I understand that the game will change as CCP sees fit, but as the poster above stated, CCP has repeatedly clarified that they are ok with ISBoxer. If it had been a grey area, I would have never started the extra accounts. Here's hoping CCP will make this right... Why in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's noodly appendages would they need to make anything right? You can still use that game time, whether you choose to do so or not.
Chill out dude, people are trying to have a reasonable conversation here. Go & derail an AFK cloaking thread or something.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:55:49 -
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Firestorm Delta wrote:Syllviaa wrote:
CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all.
So you plan on clicking your hardeners and weapons every single cycle manually? You want fleets of hundreds of people who are stuck under Tidi to have to manually click everything every cycle? Please, turn all your modules to not auto repeat, play the game for two weeks at every chance you get, and then come explain how having auto repeat on modules is unfair and causes imbalance. Meanwhile I'll be accepting CCPs decision to make a program that has been in a grey area in regards to the EULA for sometime bannable with certain uses, ie broadcasting across multiple game clients.
Yes, once CCP removes this botting mechanic from the game I am more than willing to do things as they should be done. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics, particularly where automation is concerned. Be worried for your days are numbered.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:02:20 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned? Dear Mr. The Mittani, In the spirit of Christmas, could you lovely chaps do us all a favor and pod this idiot back to 900,000 skill points before Rhea hits? Thanks much. Cookies and a nice 25 year old scotch are by the mantle.
That is a legitimate question. If you're incapable of answering it then would you kindly allow someone who is capable of answering to answer it (Example: Not you).
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:06:54 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned? Dear Mr. The Mittani, In the spirit of Christmas, could you lovely chaps do us all a favor and pod this idiot back to 900,000 skill points before Rhea hits? Thanks much. Cookies and a nice 25 year old scotch are by the mantle. That is a legitimate question. If you're incapable of answering it then would you kindly allow someone who is capable of answering to answer it (Example: Not you). Hey. Mine was a legitimate request too. What makes you so special that you should get your question answered but I can't get mine? Or it because your avatar is female? Is that it? Is this a reverse discrimination kind of thing? Punish the man for being a man.
Please take your cyber-bullying away from the forums. The EVE community will not stand for such behavior.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:52:36 -
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WhatHappensInJita Jitas wrote:68 pages of botter tears, excuses, predicting the death of a 10 year old game, playing dumb like CCP is banning keyboards and OSs that have scripting built in lol <3 The botter rage has kept me warm all morning and it's raining ice outside.
I can't believe I read every comment, but it was just so engaging. Did you botters log in all your accounts and post all at once or did you whine individually from each account? I guess the latter will be good practice for when you actually have to play the game like everyone else.
I don't see any botters complaining in this thread.
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