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codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.02 12:46:00 - [1] Do not post any new bookmark/insta related threads unless you got something really new that isn't already presented in the 10 threads below If you got an idea similar to or at least along the same lines as one of the below, please post your idea as a reply to the correct thread... The posts below are ordered by reply count and I will update this thread within a week with the new reply/view counts In other words your reply on the threads below acts as a vote towards the solution represented in the thread itself If have a GENERAL suggestion, reply to this thread If some significant thread/idea isn't listed here, please post it here with the thread's title/url/reply count/view count 1. Creating Starmaps for insta-travel Use scan probes to create starmaps to replace bookmarks Replies: 83 Views: 1421 2. Corporate Bookmarks To Centralize bookmark management and rid us from unnecessary personal copies... Replies: 67 Views: 1156 3. Remove Instas / Warp distance improves by time on the same route Experience based approach to allow "learning" of routes Replies: 22 Views: 240 4. Allow warping to 0km, add low sec camping equipment To rid us from 90% of bookmarks and still allowing people to defend their regions in low sec Replies: 21 Views: 232 5. Warp to 0km Just as the title says Replies: 13 Views: 148 6. Allow warping to 0km and add empire war equiment to counter it To nerf 90% of current instas and still enabling wartime camps Replies: 10 Views: 138 7. Warp to gate at random direction & distance Aiming within certain distance from the gates while allowing warp deviation Replies: 7 Views: 92 8. Pre-Planning routes at stations & disabling creation of bookmarks near gates / stations A station-based route pre-planning approach Replies: 6 Views: 106 9. Removing instas and adding constellation gates to travel between constellations Constellation shortcuts to keep travel times reasonable while nerfing instas Replies: 2 Views: 38 10. Limit max. Bookmarks a person can have Restriction based approach to address bookmark based database load and lag... Replies: 1 Views: 15 I will improve the post and statistics on it by the time... Thank you
Cailais Amarr THE SEFRIM INSTITUTE	Posted - 2006.09.02 13:54:00 - [2] /signed Sticky please?! www.sefrim.com
Reggie Stoneloader	Posted - 2006.09.02 15:52:00 - [3] A handy resource for devs and forum regulars alike. I second the sticky nomination.
Anderson Wes Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.02 16:59:00 - [4] I'd like to add my post which contains a combination of several different features, including limiting bookmark transfers, charts of determined standardized quality for closer in warps, a standings / subscription based 'beacon' system tied into sovernity (in addition to charts), and other goodness. After all, a single solution is never as good as a well thought out, integrated plan. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=387708
Caedicus	Posted - 2006.09.02 17:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Caedicus on 02/09/2006 17:04:14 Limit BM's and Add Modules that reduce Warp-in Distance Reply Count: 2 View Count: 66 "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -Ghandi
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.02 18:36:00 - [6] Updated, thank you...
Reggie Stoneloader	Posted - 2006.09.03 00:29:00 - [7] Bump for sticky. Imagine all the useless threads and flaming this would prevent.
Ellaine TashMurkon MetaForge Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.03 00:34:00 - [8] Throw in my bookmark upgrade proposal :)
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:19:00 - [9] Edited by: sr blackout on 03/09/2006 01:19:44 took a few ideas and put this in, a reply i had in another thread remove bm system now (clean start with kali) restrict bms to personal create, read, delete but not copy option to link to corp, and or alliance bm (folders)... limits on player corp and alliance... have skill for limit range (npc corps have no option, player level do still do) 0km warp in gate statistics for .5 and below security... right click get report: in the last: 5min seen 5 players (in visual grid range), 30min, 1h, 24h this works for the other side of the gate or the current side of gate... the data only says players not ship types or names. lets face it the bm system is far far out of date... today we have things like dictors and future will bring other tools to the game as well... with such options there is no point to not let 0km warp in... because if you do want to stop someone from warping on insta you have such tools to do so... thus no reason for instas if they cause so much trouble on server side... the little gate statistics are perfect because low sec empire is not safe so the gates will give you some stats that only you can be at that gate within range to access not on map. this helps or informs you of any possible gate camps or travel data... just basic travel/traffic report.
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:23:00 - [10] I also believe that dictor bubbles are fine, but warp bubbles in 0.0 should be displayed on the map and on the gate stats, why? Because they are anchor type of itemsà also this should come into lay when they release large bubbles ;) not right away just like the players in space.. it wouldnt give number of them or what type just that there was on in system... and would not say were :P also adding some skills for having more bm for personal and corp/alliance stuff would be good... to give those that wish more something to train for so that ppl dont just spam and have random bm's and old out dated ones for no reason... also kind of maybe linking in gang for instas would be nice... and or disable enable amount of bms for corp/alliance... so that for different regions you could have max active and inactive bms this is all to limit exploits and stress/load on servers
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:00:00 - [11] Edited by: Siege on 03/09/2006 02:00:57 Missed one; Link Making the minimum warp-to distance a ship characteristic Replies: 4 Views: 42
Zorok Synergy Syndicate EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.09.03 03:38:00 - [12] Edited by: Zorok on 03/09/2006 03:38:58 Here's one that I just posted regarding a Navigation Mode on all ships: Navigation Mode
Cailais Amarr THE SEFRIM INSTITUTE	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:09:00 - [13] Still no sticky? www.sefrim.com
sorilin Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:55:00 - [14] my idea is missing so it seem. i want bm removed but a skill introduced, wich allows u to get to gates at 0 km IF u have been there many times, how many times u need to have been there is up to the lvl of skill u have. Travel computer " module " ? or skill Inteligent travel advisor Skill I am the borg!
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.03 12:24:00 - [15] The post had only room for 12 most replied topics, here's the rest... 13. Navigation System Link Modules Limit BM's and Add Modules that reduce Warp-in Distance Reply Count: 2 View Count: 66 14. Removing instas and adding constellation gates to travel between constellations Constellation shortcuts to keep travel times reasonable while nerfing instas Replies: 2 Views: 38 15. Limit max. Bookmarks a person can have Restriction based approach to address bookmark based database load and lag... Replies: 1 Views: 15 I will improve the post and statistics on it by the time... Thank you
Frontrange Freddy	Posted - 2006.09.03 18:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Frontrange Freddy on 03/09/2006 18:04:38 HEY DEVS: Can you please give us a rough estimate on when the BookMark situation will be addressed in a patch? One month, three months, whatever, we need an idea on when we can expect a solution. There are some great ideas in this thread, and personally I'd be happy with many of them, pretty much anything would be an improvement over what we have now. But whatever the change turns out to be, it is going to have a big impact on gameplay, and I feel that we deserve to have some advance notice, and some idea where this is in the devs priorities. If it's going to be six months, you need to tell us. Can we please get a dev to reply to this thread with even a rough estimate on when we can expect a solution to the bookmark problem? also, I second the the suggestion that this thread be marked as a sticky at the top of the forum.
Cailais Amarr THE SEFRIM INSTITUTE	Posted - 2006.09.03 21:43:00 - [17] Edited by: Cailais on 03/09/2006 21:43:13 Quote: Can we please get a dev to reply to this thread with even a rough estimate on when we can expect a solution to the bookmark problem? I second that - or even better a blog on what the discussion is amongst the Devs. Keep up the good work CCP. www.sefrim.com
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:15:00 - [18] ya it would be nice to know... but im still sticking with my idea or you can call it combo idea whatever i think something new is the idea of having gate statistics... basic details... like you do on map about players in a sys? but instead it woudl give you stats of the date... on both sides of the system... you have to aproach in jump range though to get them... and the stats are auto updated 5,30,1, 24h simply says the visible amount (in grid) of players for those time frams... thats all... oh and it would be like .5 and below... why i say .5 because next sys could be a .4
Relsi Choon	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:17:00 - [19] Thread fascist
Relsi Choon	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:17:00 - [20] Thread **** Post away with whatever you have to say - dont listen to this guy
Relsi Choon	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:17:00 - [21] Thread **** Post away with whatever you have to say - dont listen to this guy
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:38:00 - [22] Views and replies in this section are in NO way significant of true interest, codepic. For example, if they have detractors that skews it beyond usefulness. //Maya
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.04 11:12:00 - [23] I know...
Norris Neophitus Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.04 12:58:00 - [24] I have a new idea Can you please include this as its different to all the other ideas i can see and i'd like some feedback/someone to notice it a bit more :) Originally by: Wild Rho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not emo, I just hate my life and no one understands me -----------------------------
Mongrove Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:58:00 - [25] Hi, This thread should be sticky ! My idea : Instas as a function of sec status replies:7 views:79 Maybe can combined with other ideas. I hope this will help the game designers.
WiseAcre AntiKythera Machina	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:15:00 - [26] /signed Sticky this thread
DrAtomic Polytope Ghosts of Retribution	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:24:00 - [27] Edited by: DrAtomic on 04/09/2006 14:23:59 16. Jumpgates and stations with tractorbeams Tractorbeams drag ships in at a speed determined by a pilots jumpfactor Replies: 71 Views: 1000 ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery
Syris Anu Evolutionary Pressure	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:23:00 - [28] Edited by: Syris Anu on 04/09/2006 15:24:45 Most viewed one so far, I think (stats as of this post): 17. Understanding Gate Camps & Instas Relationship Suggests Balanced Approach of A) Drop Instas, B) Allow Safe Warp Direct from Jump Cloak, C) Tutorial or information resource on how to fit ship for travel with current capabilities, use scanner, and use jump clones Replies: 60 Views: 2500
Norris Neophitus Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:29:00 - [29] /signed sticky Originally by: Wild Rho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not emo, I just hate my life and no one understands me -----------------------------
DrAtomic Polytope Ghosts of Retribution	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:02:00 - [30] bumpage ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery
eLLioTT wave Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:28:00 - [31] and today insta threads are nerfed to the ideas forum where they can whither and die, and all new ones in general (one of the rare places dev's post) will be shunned away here... thanks mods..
Aliniel Vitissun	Posted - 2006.09.05 04:07:00 - [32] Sticky please! When's the next "vote" update?
Lazuran	Posted - 2006.09.05 05:32:00 - [33] Anchorable Gate Beacons Posted to wrong forum (sorry), 104 Views, 1 neutral reply. "The whole of NYC is not 1.0. Some back alley in the Bronx is deep 0.0, while right outside NYPD headquarters is 1.0." -- Slaaght Bana
Trista Kriegs	Posted - 2006.09.05 08:34:00 - [34] System Plotting Module 5 Replies 67 Views
ET PostAlt	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:21:00 - [35] Edited by: ET PostAlt on 05/09/2006 15:25:04 Ultimate Bookmarks Thread InstaBookmarks Blog By Oveuries Dev Man Interesting Dev-Blogs The List of the VERY interesting instas threads that everybody seems to be starting nowdays. Warp to 0 km INSTAS - The ultimate idea using already existing game mechanics. A very simple, complete Insta solution: (only a few lines to read) The BM issue - My 'fix' Ideas for optimizing bookmarks without altering current behavior Bookmark Solution - NPC Purchased "warp to 0km" Link BM's to corporation/alliance Give a good reason NOT to allow 0-km warps (eliminate need of Ins-BMs) As if any more proof that instas are vital to low-sec survival Instabookmarks: the one solution to rule them all Real Live Nude Bookmarks Inside! A BM Idea i honestly havent seen sugested yet. ANOTHER Solution to instas Another pair of Insta ideas... Idea To Reduce Travel Time Yet Another Insta Idea BM Proposal combined with Low Sec Proposal - Discuss New way to copy bookmarks The REAL problem with Bookmarks... gate to gate travel BM Copying Idea Solving Instas Issue insta generating modual Replace BM's with NAV OPTIONS Insta's - My 2p worth Insta Replacement YAIRT (Yet Another Insta Replacement Thread) Client-side bookmarks replacing insta bookmarks idea Yet another idea for replacing instas
ET PostAlt	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:23:00 - [36] Bookmark suggestion idea: warp between Improve camping equipment - leave instas alone More insta Fixing ideas Solution to the Insta Requirements for a solution to instas Suggestion to Devs: Unexploitable clientside BMs Suggestion regarding instas. Insta's and corpses. I may have the solution to both in one hit Another way with instas - make orbiting objects ORBIT! Collecting Insta Fixes, Suggesting More Kill Instas - why not just allow "warp to" distance to be set lower? New System Scanning -- Finally, we can kill bookmarks? (Read) New module: warp point accelerator warp scramblers and instas - fix'em both INSTAS - a more geeky approach Simple Idea- Instas Warp to 0km Another Idea for the problem of the insta-set the "Precise Location" minimal insta-fix: sharable folders Reduction of BookMarks by using Corp BookMarks 5 bm's only!?! It's to late now for BMs, but maybe next time... Insta Solution:Constellation Gates Why Warp to Zero? Insta bookmark replacement idea Regional gates, instas solution Bookmark copying Hare-Brained Insta Idea "Corp Bookmarks" - a new aproach on the Bookmark subject. IDEA: Corporate Bookmarks 2 changes that might improve server performance Reducing the need for so many instas
ET PostAlt	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:23:00 - [37] A Humble Case For Degrading Bookmark Copies Star Maps Instead of Bookmarks Instas and Data sheets Yet another bookmark proposal Auto Pilot to bookmark.... eve doesn't need travel instas Bookmark system upgrade My two cents on instas Insta's Oveur, here is the solution you asked for If you can't beat 'em, join 'em insta idea What is good about BMs Insta's...done to death but... Another instajump idea (needs modification to be good) One more insta fix Insta Bookmark Fix/Suggestion # 12 billion and 1 Instas solution idea. Travel in EvE, (insta related) Gate Proximity Keys(yes, instas, again...) Map a joke, BM's a night mare, synchronised gates, lore items, etc.... An idea to remove all Bookmarks Instas, Travel Time, Saftey - Change the Gates themselves Another Insta Solution no need for insta bookmarks The Simple Insta Solution Yet another insta thread: corp home based instas A simple insta idea Intas, travel mods and more And Yet another Bookmark thought Insta fix idea. Insta a possible solution A "Fine" solution for insta abuse -->> solution to instajumps! proposed instas fix - possibly easy to implement
ET PostAlt	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:24:00 - [38] A lot of insta proposals, and none has been considered by the DEVS. That says it all. Whine, whine, whine. Who cares in a hundred years. [CCCP, Accomdating the whims of the griefers since the game start]Ö [CCCP's stamp of approval]Ö Originally by: Price Watcher Please, CCCP Sir. May we have another server crash to go along with all the wonderful NEW CONTENT? May we have more LAG? More BUGS? Pretty please with sugar on top?
ET PostAlt	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:24:00 - [39] proposed instas fix - possibly easy to implement Warping to gate a 0km without bookmarks idea! Insta solution #367529 Insta solution #367530, #367531 and #367532 Jump gates and insta jumps - an elegant solution Redesing, Warp/Scan probes/Insta jumps/WCS/scramble Yet another insta idea Make Travel Harder; Populate 0.0 Astromoner and Navigator mini-professions [insta's solution?] Another suggestion for insta replacement... Bookmark Idea (to reduce server load) Gate/Insta Idea #176 Decaying BMs: an Efficient Solution to a Sticky Problem My bookmark idea Stargate Approach A possible replacement for Instas Instas BM idea Bookmark/Gatecamp/Navigation Idea: Gate Hub Autopilot Insta Jump Idea Bookmarks - a suggetsion /ducks Idea to replace insta bookmarks. Instajump Idea
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:27:00 - [40] Originally by: ET PostAlt A lot of insta proposals, and none has been considered by the DEVS. That says it all. Whine, whine, whine. Who cares in a hundred years. What makes you say none has been considered by the DEVS? And look whos whining

Jacques Archambault Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.05 19:48:00 - [41] Thread cleaned. Please keep your replies polite and refrain from any trolling. -Jacques' forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! Want to be an EVE-Online forum moderator? click here!

ET PostAlt	Posted - 2006.09.06 07:50:00 - [42] Edited by: ET PostAlt on 06/09/2006 07:50:56 Originally by: Jacques Archambault Thread cleaned. Please keep your replies polite and refrain from any trolling. -Jacques' I'm NOT trolling by saying, that there hasn't been any response in the above threads worth anything in the regard of SOLVING THE INSTAS PROBLEMS! SO PLEASE, LEARN TO APPRECIATE POSTIVE/NEGATIVE CRITICISM! OTHERWISE YOU WON'T GET ANY HELP FROM THE COMMUNITY! WITH THE ABOVE POSTS, ONE MIGT SAY THAT YOU HAVE HAD ALL THE HELP YOU CAN GET FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOU HAVEN'T REPLIED/GIVEN ANY FEEDBACK TO THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN THIS. Whine, whine, whine. Who cares in a hundred years. [CCCP, Accomdating the whims of the griefers since the game start] [CCCP's stamp of approval] Originally by: Price Watcher Please, CCCP Sir. May we have another server crash to go along with all the wonderful NEW CONTENT? May we have more LAG? More BUGS? Pretty please with sugar on top?
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.06 12:04:00 - [43] Calling me a fascist is trolling. Not negative/positive critisism... Especially when I'm trying to collect significant BM-threads into one to ease everyones lives with this mess... However, may I suggest this as a reading? Doesn't this count as a reply enough? "You see, after Dragon, the codebase is much more stable, using far less CPU and we have a more clear picture of what is causing a lot of load spikes. Call it a good signal-to-noise ratio. It probably won't surprise you, but Bookmarks is pretty high on the list, so high in fact that we will be putting in even more drastic limitations to bookmarks. Until we of course implement the replacement for the gameplay which bookmarks introduced. What's in the coming patch is simply to address the load associated with copying large amounts of them. More on that in another blog which is on the way." Source: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=368 I'll be interested to see what they come up with. Still, keep posting your ideas, try not to post duplicate threads and when you post, try to figure out a descriptive title for your post. Helps browsing. I'm sure CCP reads these forums a lot and they consider the player feedback. If kept civil and creative of course... Please learn to post with your main and refrain from trolling and spamming and the community may as well get some use out of your feedback... Thanks a lot for the links, I'll look into them but I must admit there seems to be a lot of them
Z'Doc	Posted - 2006.09.06 23:15:00 - [44] boooooomp
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.07 03:35:00 - [45] really what the dev's need is to create some kind of package or tools into the forums for just such things... and post issues or known issues or thoughts or something... were the system can be modified and updated or expanded... dont know how to manage something crazy like that :P but everyone is logged to account so... any serious offenders could get banned from such say system or access creating some kind of a tree were ideas are put and no duplicate items can be placed... but you could put rev's to idea or sub category/branch forum threads are linear :( and at best work as a way to bump old threads/comments...
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:27:00 - [46] I had an idea of being able to link posts as related in these forums but that's off-topic and I'll improve the idea and post it as a new idea/suggestion into this forum later on.
Frontrange Freddy	Posted - 2006.09.12 05:09:00 - [47] bump
Kakita Jalaan Viriette Commerce and Holding	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:24:00 - [48] Let's keep this topic on the first page, to possibly discourage 50% of the new "BM/insta solution" threads that pop up every day. codepic, could you possibly change the title of the thread so it's clear it's a compilation of existing ideas? ______________ Join the Family
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.14 10:03:00 - [49] Edited by: Noveron on 14/09/2006 10:05:11 excuse me if im wrong, but my own warp to 0 or warp to 1 thread is not mentioned that ive seen: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=389469 Great idea this common thread, thank you.
Mongrove Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 12:05:00 - [50] /bump for great effort from the OP instas are on the 1rst ranks of the "top 10 features" sticky thread.

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