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OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.02 16:20:00 - [1] Hey, I know I posted this in another thread, but its on the third page and basically is dust now. So since I've been thinking about this for a while I thought I'd repost: Stabber should get a slight rework in my opinion. Note this is all after me using them for a very, very long time in pure pirate PvP. Current: Good DPS wth good speed and very little tank. Only problem is, medium guns can only hit "decently" outside 10km (web range) with Barrage M, which limits damage type, and also doesnt even hit well. Don't even think about getting within web range with a Stabber, literally any cruiser (not a whine) could kill you, including the Bellicose. Now that just doesnt work too well, what good is speed and decent damage if you can't do anything with it? Outside web range you do negligable damage. If you venture inside you are dead. Some may say heavy tackler, but it really isn't that good at that either, because heavy and cruise missles will still do very good damage to you. My proposed change: 5% Explosive Missile damage or Missile Rate of Fire. Leave 5% Speed Bonus. I like the speed bonus, it makes the ship unique and using missiles you can use that great speed without killing any damage you could hope to do. The projectile damage bonus turns me off. It forces you to, as said, use medium projectiles that can't really track enough or hit well enough outside 10km to do much. Side note I have used artillery w/ speed setup on it. 720s will not fit with a MWD, and using 650s I literally got beaten by an 11 day old thorax w/ rails. (Yes, rather pathetic) The other change I suggest is to give it 3 or even better 4 missile slots and 3/2 turret slots. Now people might say this makes Caldari pointless etc, however it is just one ship, that fits a small niche and does what Minmatar are meant to do. It should also be outdamaged by any cruiser sized Caldari missile boat. Thanks for reading. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Bazman Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.02 16:23:00 - [2] problem is that a Speed skite Stabber with a bunch of missles will be horribly effective, like a Caracal that flys at 3km/s :P ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.02 16:36:00 - [3] Well thats why I'm saying only 3 or 4 missile slots... Not to mention it will still have very little tank. And I would say the 5% Explosive damage bonus would be more balanced than a RoF bonus.. Anyway, I don't think it would be that uber, but it is rather.. Pointless as it is now. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.02 16:55:00 - [4] imho the only thing id like that stabber to have is another mid slot....
Great Artista Earthbound Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.02 17:02:00 - [5] YE WE WANT A MIDSLOT! I'v said this before but I have lost that post. //////////////////////////////////
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2006.09.02 17:50:00 - [6] Fix mah Stabber! I cast my vote with Orange. I shot a man in Reno... just to watch him die
Dixon Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.02 18:06:00 - [7] The stabber and most other minmatar AC boats need looking at tbh. AC should either get improved falloff or a damage boost and a falloff nerf as they suck all the balls in the world compared to blasters. I feel cruiser sized autocannons need to be able to shoot outside web range (without barrage) because the uberness of webs make blasters the pwnage in <10km combat. The stabber should, however, not be made into a missile boat. I'd rather like to see it's base speed boosted and the speed bonus changed to a tracking bonus so it could be made fairly effective with 650mm artys. - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other...
Bellicus Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.02 18:24:00 - [8] Seems like good suggestions to me. /signed If this comes into effect maybe I will have a use for a Stabber.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.02 18:29:00 - [9] I dont really wanna see the stabber become a missle ship, Like i said id much rather have another mid slot. Its a ship meant for skirmish and the 4th slot would give it much higher tackling capabilities. The issue regarding the AC is the fact that it has crap falloff/optimal, if that was somehow adressed then it wouldnt be an issue. The key is to have em be able to hit for decent damage outside web range, which is where blaster ships will most definitively own u.
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.02 19:12:00 - [10] Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 02/09/2006 19:13:41 Originally by: Rehmes I dont really wanna see the stabber become a missle ship, Like i said id much rather have another mid slot. Its a ship meant for skirmish and the 4th slot would give it much higher tackling capabilities. The issue regarding the AC is the fact that it has crap falloff/optimal, if that was somehow adressed then it wouldnt be an issue. The key is to have em be able to hit for decent damage outside web range, which is where blaster ships will most definitively own u. Even if they had an optimal of 15km you wont hit orbitting at 2km without a few tracking enhancers... (autos or arties) And 650s really do pathetic damage, like I said in my post, an 11 day old thorax with rails kicked my ass when I used 650s :/ and this was after the 10% damage boost. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.02 19:16:00 - [11] damn...that sux. On the other hand thorax is one of the best cruisers around id personally take a rupture against that one and see how id fare....
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.02 19:23:00 - [12] Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 02/09/2006 19:25:30 Originally by: Rehmes damn...that sux. On the other hand thorax is one of the best cruisers around id personally take a rupture against that one and see how id fare.... My point exactly, any other cruiser can really do what a stabber tries to do better. Sure its fast to get in range and tackle.. but if you put a 10mn MWD on a Rupture you still get 1.5km/s which is plenty, and once you get there you dont die like paper to large and medium guns. Webbers neutralize a ship's speed advantage and medium guns have a lot of trouble doing anything outside web range. It would also fit Minmatar philosophy to give it Missiles since they are supposed to be a secondary weapon, why not have a couple ships semi-dedicated to it? Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.09.02 20:48:00 - [13] AC's are fine, I have no idea wth one of those posters is talking about. Also, stabber is fast, cheap, and powerful. NO idea why anyone would want to turn it into a missle ship. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.09.02 21:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Also, stabber is fast, cheap, and powerful. NO idea why anyone would want to turn it into a missle ship. Fast? Yes. Cheap? Yeah. Powerful? Absolutely not. It does craptastic damage compared to most other cruisers. And its got a pathetic amount of slots. Its really quite crap compared to the vexor or caracal. If you want to use it as a bigger interceptor, fine, but it dies even easier.
Frater Perdurabo The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria	Posted - 2006.09.02 21:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Tasty Burger Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Also, stabber is fast, cheap, and powerful. NO idea why anyone would want to turn it into a missle ship. Fast? Yes. Cheap? Yeah. Powerful? Absolutely not. It does craptastic damage compared to most other cruisers. And its got a pathetic amount of slots. Its really quite crap compared to the vexor or caracal. If you want to use it as a bigger interceptor, fine, but it dies even easier. I was gonna agree with Hani but then your post got me thinking... the stabber IS underpowered when compared to the vexor, ive always hated caldari so i cant comment on them, never flown em cept for raven back in the days of torp spammage doing full damage. (aaah it brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it) mind you, the vexor is a bit overpowered these days imo (drones 4tw!) and aparently the caracal deserves to be quite good because the 'moa sucks more than a thai ladyboy.' so says my anonymous friend. Soooo.... maybe your right on the more slots front, maybe an extra mid or low. I dont like the idea of making it a missile boat tho.
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.02 21:52:00 - [16] Little Point Here. Amarr have no good combat cruisers. (Omen + Maller are outdone by mostly anything) Caldari have one very good combat cruiser, the Caracal. Gallente have two very good combat cruisers, Throax and Vexor. Minmatar have one very good, if not the best combat cruiser, the Rupture. Amarr have one very good EW cruiser, arbirator. Caldari have one EXTREMELY good EW cruiser, the Blackbird. Gallente have one very good EW cruiser, the celestis. Minmatar have a heap of junk for their EW cruiser. My Guides
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.02 21:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Aeaus Little Point Here. Amarr have no good combat cruisers. (Omen + Maller are outdone by mostly anything) Caldari have one very good combat cruiser, the Caracal. Gallente have two very good combat cruisers, Throax and Vexor. Minmatar have one very good, if not the best combat cruiser, the Rupture. Amarr have one very good EW cruiser, arbirator. Caldari have one EXTREMELY good EW cruiser, the Blackbird. Gallente have one very good EW cruiser, the celestis. Minmatar have a heap of junk for their EW cruiser. On the Omen front u are correct, however the maller is far from being useless against the other top cruisers.
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.02 22:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Aeaus Little Point Here. Amarr have no good combat cruisers. (Omen + Maller are outdone by mostly anything) Caldari have one very good combat cruiser, the Caracal. Gallente have two very good combat cruisers, Throax and Vexor. Minmatar have one very good, if not the best combat cruiser, the Rupture. Amarr have one very good EW cruiser, arbirator. Caldari have one EXTREMELY good EW cruiser, the Blackbird. Gallente have one very good EW cruiser, the celestis. Minmatar have a heap of junk for their EW cruiser. That really has nothing to do with changing the Stabber. And you are quite wrong on most of those... Again the reason to make it a missile ship would be to give it decent DPS and greatly improved survivability (in a tanked stabber i had for example, a rupture killed it while tanking my damage, sentrys, and an eagle, it went down that fast.) and giving it a usable role. Its damage is meh, and if something shoots at it, unless its moving very fast, it will die very quickly. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.09.02 23:17:00 - [19] uh stabber is fine
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.09.03 00:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 03/09/2006 00:12:44 I'd rather have the Bellicose a missile ship however attractive a really quick missile spammer sounds (if it were to happen i'd be estactic). A change I thought about was: Remove the speed bonus per level. Give it that speed increase in base stats. Make the new bonus to falloff. I don't think its the tracking thats the problem when using T2 guns + barrage while outside of web range, its probably the falloff effect so increasing the falloff range would increase accuracy to. (while orbiting with MWD against cruiser and larger targets) ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.03 00:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Mila Prestoc Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 03/09/2006 00:12:44 I'd rather have the Bellicose a missile ship however attractive a really quick missile spammer sounds (if it were to happen i'd be estactic). A change I thought about was: Remove the speed bonus per level. Give it that speed increase in base stats. Make the new bonus to falloff. I don't think its the tracking thats the problem when using T2 guns + barrage while outside of web range, its probably the falloff effect so increasing the falloff range would increase accuracy to. (while orbiting with MWD against cruiser and larger targets) True though it would be extremely similar to a Vagabond :/ Personally I'd like to see the Stabber become more of a unique ship rather than more (or less) of the same. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Shadow Mancer Warriors of God SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:48:00 - [22] I agree with OP, stabber is extremely Weird, I tried using it as a fast and heavy tackler but succeeded only once against a noobastic Ishkur. Everytime I tried tackling a vexor or caracal all I know is that I get killed like a Rifter. Stabber is fast that's about it, but what's that speed good for when the ship reaches its demise 5% faster per lvl? I \o/ support the idea of having 5% missile damage per lvl idea, sounds awesome. CCP please give Stabber some love. Long Live Warriors
Atar Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.09.03 12:39:00 - [23] I'm not understand why ACs are getting a bad wrap here, I don't have any problem hitting outside of web range but about the stabber, the extra mid would be nice, but DO NOT remove the speed bonus, missiles I really don't care, but it would be nice for those who would like. I have flown a many stabbers and I still love that ship, Fly a Vaga now, but their price is getting out of hand.
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Atar I'm not understand why ACs are getting a bad wrap here, I don't have any problem hitting outside of web range but about the stabber, the extra mid would be nice, but DO NOT remove the speed bonus, missiles I really don't care, but it would be nice for those who would like. I have flown a many stabbers and I still love that ship, Fly a Vaga now, but their price is getting out of hand. It really isn't a matter of "i can do this i can do that" its a strict matter of math, sure you can hit at 15km w/ t2 autos and barrage but thats only half the time at half damage. And you still cant continue to go fast enough to avoid damage without losing ALL of yours. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Valea Silpha Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:56:00 - [25] Personally I'd say the stabber needs either four meds or four lows. Being fast is great, but i would like to be able to achieve something when i get there, and in the world of cruiser vs cruiser combat, achieving something is a lot more about tanking than ganking. The stabbers damage, along with ANY kind of tank would be great. Or my personal favorite would be to see webs affected by mass as MWD's and AB's are. That way the stabber remains fast by comparison to targets it's webbed. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Cohkka LoneWolf Mining R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Dixon The stabber and most other minmatar AC boats need looking at tbh. AC should either get improved falloff or a damage boost and a falloff nerf as they suck all the balls in the world compared to blasters. I feel cruiser sized autocannons need to be able to shoot outside web range (without barrage) because the uberness of webs make blasters the pwnage in <10km combat. The stabber should, however, not be made into a missile boat. I'd rather like to see it's base speed boosted and the speed bonus changed to a tracking bonus so it could be made fairly effective with 650mm artys. tbh, ballancing ACs wouldn't be a problem if there weren't strict web and sramble ranges. e.g. since Mega can fire up to max warp ditruptor range the AC Tempest became inferior. You can't just "stay out of range" anymore since the Mega will simply warp off. To top that most guns hit within 10km just fine, controlling range becomes a less viable tactic. Well, you can blame t2 ammo, but it seriously needs reworking.... Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Qutsemnie Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 23:00:00 - [27] Stabber used to be so much weaker then its current incarnation.
korrey Armoured Assassins Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.04 23:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Rehmes On the Omen front u are correct, however the maller is far from being useless against the other top cruisers. I wont even go there because I dont want this to turn into an Amarr argument. And believe me you cant win an argument with 50 angry Amarr loyalists. But just to mention, the Maller does crap damage unless you drop the 1600 which means it does crap tank and its purpose is thus defeated. So yeah you can tank but unless you drop the tank then you cant even kill anything... Anyways back to stabbers. -Level Five
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:50:00 - [29] Why change stabber? It does what it's supposed to (imo anyway), fast with light tank If any minmatar cruiser can use a change, surely it's the Bellicose... (keep painter bonus, change projectile bonus to missile bonus, a little bit like a mini-phoon(launcher bonus but no projectile bonus)) - Following Forum Whoring 101.
juduzz Amarr Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:55:00 - [30] The Stabber is fine although wouldnt say no to an extra low or mid but its still a very capable ship. I love the ship. The only problem with cruiser AC's is the clip size :/

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