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Goliath Scorpion
Amarr
The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.09.03 17:08:00 -
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I used to have all the music from the game in my jukebox, deadspace music, stellar shadows, etc, by having the res\sound\music folder and an edited inflight.m3u, but since Dragon, it's reverted to it's original state.
This happened to anyone else and have you been able to get it back?
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Jongo Fett
Caldari
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:29:00 -
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afaik u are not allowed to modify the jukebox.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:30:00 -
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use winamp in the background, play what ever you want then.
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ITH
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:34:00 -
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Jongo, you re wrong
quote from player guide:
"These are located on the top of the menu along with a slider bar that you can draft left and right with your mouse to control the volume of the music. Below all of your Jukebox functions is a list of all the available tracks to choose from. You can simply highlight the track you wish to play and click the Play button. There are several 3rd-party programs which allow you to insert your own MP3s. These programs are acceptable to use, but are neither sponsored nor prohibited by EVE."These programs are acceptable to use, but are neither sponsored nor prohibited by EVE.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:45:00 -
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The player guide is as wrong as it is outdated on many topics.
ccp would have to pay license fees for the jukebox' ability to play a customer's mp3 and decided not to allow for modifications.
The playlist generator doesn't work since RMR.
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ITH
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: ITH on 05/09/2006 10:50:50
Edited by: ITH on 05/09/2006 10:49:22
If you'll use it for your private purpose it's not broadcasting thus not illigal, unless Jukebox addon alters data through server access on CCP side.
Shame it doesnt work though...
p.s Lol Tachy, nice sig 
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:50:00 -
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 Originally by: ITH
If you'll use it for your private purpose it's not broadcasting thus not illigal, unless Jukebox addon alters data through server access on CCP side.
The ingame jukebox is rated a commercial product as you have to pay a monthly subscription. If it allows custom mp3 to be played officially, ccp would have to pay the license fee - for each and every account sold since they went gold over three years ago.
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Jessica May
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
ccp would have to pay license fees for the jukebox' ability to play a customer's mp3
So you are suggesting that CCP would have to pay a fee to (who?) to add the ability for EVE to play MP3 files? Sorry I don't believe that.
If CPP shipped MP3 files of other peoples music then I'd agree they'd have to pay the musicians but not for the ability to just play MP3 files that the user themseleves have. |
ITH
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: ITH on 05/09/2006 10:53:35
not if it's for your own, home use only
oh and how can I upload a picture to my avatar?
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Jessica May
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:54:00 -
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So, I purchased WinAmp, it's a commerical product by the very fact that I paid for it. So the markers of WinAmp pay a licence fee (who to?) for this? |
TevLan
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:01:00 -
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www.mp3licensing.com
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Goliath Scorpion
Amarr
The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:01:00 -
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I used a different method than the playlist generator. I used a .stuff extrator to take the .ogg files out such as deadspace music, then made the folder res\sound\music, put all the .ogg files in there, and changed the inflight.m3u playlist to play them all.
It sounds rather silly that CCP would need to pay some kind of fee for me to play my mp3s using their jukebox, which is part of what I pay for in my subscription. But I did only use CCPs tracks anyway.
The guide I read on how to do this was on these forums anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else had done it, and had got it working again post-Dragon.
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Goliath Scorpion
Amarr
The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Damfoose
Just turn the jukbox off and use your favorite MP3 player, As people have said winamp is good, One thing to consider though is try to find nother free mp3 player that uses less recources leaving more for eve.
That's always an option, it's just more convenient to use the in game jukebox.
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Damfoose
FISKL GUARDS
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:03:00 -
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Just turn the jukbox off and use your favorite MP3 player, As people have said winamp is good, One thing to consider though is try to find nother free mp3 player that uses less recources leaving more for eve.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:12:00 -
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It used to be allowed to modify the client in this manner - in fact there used to be links to programs that would do it for you.
It isn't any more.
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Gallente
MC Cubed Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:19:00 -
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MP3 technology is patented by the Frauenhofer Institut (a German research group) and thus, you have to pay them if you use mp3-Standards in a comercial product.
This doesnot cover the acutal music, just the encoding technology that comes with mp3.
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Jessica May
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: TevLan
www.mp3licensing.com
A license is needed for commercial (i.e., revenue-generating) use of mp3/mp3PRO in broadcast systems (terrestrial, satellite, cable and/or other distribution channels), streaming applications (via Internet, intranets and/or other networks), other content distribution systems (pay-audio or audio-on-demand applications and the like) or for use of mp3/mp3PRO on physical media (compact discs, digital versatile discs, semiconductor chips, hard drives, memory cards and the like).
OK thats that sorted. Licensing is required for systems that gain income from streaming or broadcasting mp3. As CPP do not stream media then no license is required.null |
Carabao
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:28:00 -
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I used to have this jukebox to on my other account and all where in .ogg format (to be legal with that mp3 stuff) and enjoyed it alot ... now it's back to mp3's with winamp in tha background too here 
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica May
Originally by: TevLan
www.mp3licensing.com
A license is needed for commercial (i.e., revenue-generating) use of mp3/mp3PRO in broadcast systems (terrestrial, satellite, cable and/or other distribution channels), streaming applications (via Internet, intranets and/or other networks), other content distribution systems (pay-audio or audio-on-demand applications and the like) or for use of mp3/mp3PRO on physical media (compact discs, digital versatile discs, semiconductor chips, hard drives, memory cards and the like).
OK thats that sorted. Licensing is required for systems that gain income from streaming or broadcasting mp3. As CPP do not stream media then no license is required.null
The jukebox is a part of the game client. The game client is used to generate income for ccp. Together this would lead to ccp having to pay fees to the Fraunhofer Gesellscshaft.
A friend of me worked in their licensing bureau for a couple of years and I guess his info would be correct.
Fraunhofer is a research organisation with ~50 instituets at roughly 40 locations all over Germany doing free and contract research.
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Cymru2000
Lords of Maelstrom
The Confederation
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Posted - 2006.09.05 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica May
Originally by: TevLan
www.mp3licensing.com
A license is needed for commercial (i.e., revenue-generating) use of mp3/mp3PRO in broadcast systems (terrestrial, satellite, cable and/or other distribution channels), streaming applications (via Internet, intranets and/or other networks), other content distribution systems (pay-audio or audio-on-demand applications and the like) or for use of mp3/mp3PRO on physical media (compact discs, digital versatile discs, semiconductor chips, hard drives, memory cards and the like).
OK thats that sorted. Licensing is required for systems that gain income from streaming or broadcasting mp3. As CPP do not stream media then no license is required.null
I think it would count as enabling the " use of mp3/mp3pro on physical media", i.e your hard-drive (nothing to do with streaming). As the client would allow you to use MP3's and then ccp would in fact be liable to pay licensing fees.
Thats is how I read it at least.
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Jessica May
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Posted - 2006.09.05 12:38:00 -
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A license is needed for commercial (i.e., revenue-generating) use of mp3/mp3PRO in broadcast systems (terrestrial, satellite, cable and/or other distribution channels),
EVE is not a broadcast system for MP3's
streaming applications (via Internet, intranets and/or other networks)
EVE does not stream MP3's
other content distribution systems (pay-audio or audio-on-demand applications and the like) or for use of mp3/mp3PRO on physical media (compact discs, digital versatile discs, semiconductor chips, hard drives, memory cards and the like).
EVE does not have any pay for demend MP3 content
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The jukebox is a part of the game client. The game client is used to generate income for ccp. Together this would lead to ccp having to pay fees to the Fraunhofer Gesellscshaft.
A friend of me worked in their licensing bureau for a couple of years and I guess his info would be correct.
Fraunhofer is a research organisation with ~50 instituets at roughly 40 locations all over Germany doing free and contract research.
I work for a UK based IT hardware/software company that develops and sells retail systems. In our systems we have a small module that plays MP3 files for customer information. We do not require any licensing for this. |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.05 13:03:00 -
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How free are your customers to change those mp3?
Is the module meant to be used to play mp3 on its own as the jukebox would be if we could customize its contents?
The difference is mp3-player generating cash flow vs. getting a sound snipped to the speakers.
A module using mp3 to deliver a 'Please fasten your seatbelt' doesn't fall under the licensing rules.
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Mikey Monkfish
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:22:00 -
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What ARE you lot banging on about?
By configuring the jukebox to play MP3's from your PC, no laws are being broken (Provided said PC owner hasn't illegely downloaded them  ). The Jukebox in Eve would simply be playing them from the HDD much like WMA or any other program that plays MP3's would. 
The other option would be to just have an MP3 player in the background anyway 
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:38:00 -
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there is now fee for the ability to play an mp3, there is a fee for the right to play the mp3 itself.
If you paid for the mp3, then you have the right to play it (riaa crap logic) else you are pirating and stealing (you supposedly do not have the right to 'rip' a cd and make an mp3 even if you own the cd...another riaa craptastic piece of logic).
As I said above, USE WINAMP (the lite version is free...) and play what you want in the background.
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Harridan
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:49:00 -
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I think you will find the player must be licensed......
You could ask SanDisk about this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5312696.stm
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
there is now fee for the ability to play an mp3, there is a fee for the right to play the mp3 itself.
If you paid for the mp3, then you have the right to play it (riaa crap logic) else you are pirating and stealing (you supposedly do not have the right to 'rip' a cd and make an mp3 even if you own the cd...another riaa craptastic piece of logic).
There's no such thing as the RIAA in Iceland, so nobody gives two hoots what they say is legal.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:00:00 -
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Most countries acknowledge a couple of patents though.
Parts of the mp3 algorithms are patented.
The licence fee would be for using that stuff in a commercial context.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: DukDodgerz
there is now fee for the ability to play an mp3, there is a fee for the right to play the mp3 itself.
If you paid for the mp3, then you have the right to play it (riaa crap logic) else you are pirating and stealing (you supposedly do not have the right to 'rip' a cd and make an mp3 even if you own the cd...another riaa craptastic piece of logic).
There's no such thing as the RIAA in Iceland, so nobody gives two hoots what they say is legal.
geee, DUH, since when was the game/music industry, restricted to iceland...(having a "dee dee dee" moment today ?)
unless your head has been hiding in a dark hole, you know there are counterparts to the RIAA in most countries.
International laws related to what the RIAA does, do exist. You can not violate a copyright held in iceland in the usa, UK, japan, <insert any industrial nations name here>,etc etc...
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Sean Graves
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:44:00 -
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Sony has an mp3 player in eq, wow has the ability through macros to play mp3's (via winap without alt tabing i think) several other games either have the ability or provide for the ability to play MP3's.
There are other formats of compression that could be used if its really a MP3 issue.
Personally for me I use a Squeezebox and a remote but yeah using the player in game would be nice when I need to use teamspak and have to wear a headset.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 05/09/2006 15:55:26
Since EVE is a commercial product CCP would have to pay liscensing fees for the ability to play your own mp3's. It's a licensing fee for the mp3 audio decoder. Even NullSoft has to pay these fees for Winamp.
There are other encoders but most of them are also copywrited, LAME is an mp3 decoder but it's legality hasn't been tested in court and I doubt CCP want to be the first to have to defend that. OGG comes without licensing fees, but you'd need to convert all your audio files to that in order to play it in the playlist then.
It's much easier just to run winamp in the background.
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