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Sandborn
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:12:00 -
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It has come to my attention, that a member of Red Light Enterprises took it upon himself to talk smack about an ex-corp mate of mine, Shaelin Corpius. As some may know, Shaelin passed away less than a week ago due to injuries sustained in a car accident, and as you can guess I find myself disgusted that anyone would talk **** about a long time player, and good guy who just recently left us for a hopefully better place.
Regardless of how small or active RLE may be, we will keep this war declaration active, and persue their members and any known allies until the member in question is kicked, a public appology is issued, and any other demands I can think up in the mean time are met.
For Shaelin.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:34:00 -
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Disrespecting dead friends of mine will make this game no fun for you
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Zomiaen
Gallente Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 05:50:00 -
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I fully support your war, Death to RLE! _________________________
pirates wear pink! - eris was herrrrrrre
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Der Pfaffe
Karnival of Death Squad Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sandborn[quote
Raspiratadantatay > **** Shaelin Raspiratadantatay > hes a stupid *****
Well he's using the present tense so perhaps he didn't know your friend had passed away...
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 07:18:00 -
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That's ridiculous, give 'em hell..
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arkarsk
Provenance.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: arkarsk on 04/09/2006 08:15:55
Originally by: Der Pfaffe
Well he's using the present tense so perhaps he didn't know your friend had passed away...
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Straylight
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Posted - 2006.09.04 08:21:00 -
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Last time you declared war against us, Sandborn, it was over some imaginary slight against you or someone else's ego that, to be honest, looked to be completely false when we explored it further. In the end, we decided that it was simply an excuse, and that any excuse would do. As a student of history, it's easy to find many examples of just such a situation in the past: If a nation wishes to declare a war of aggression, excuses WILL be manufactured, no matter how petty they might be.
So, because of what you have already shown, I'm having a hard time taking this most recent excuse seriously. However...Just because I find it difficult to believe doesn't mean that I won't at least look into it, and find out the truth of the situation with my corp mates. I've already begun doing this.
I'm sure I'll know the truth of the situation within the next 24 hours. However, as I've seen how you've acted in the past, I'm also sure that no matter what is said or done, you will continue with your attacks. If you ARE interested in truth, however, I will post my findings here for your perusal.
- Straylight CEO of Red Light Enterprises
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:03:00 -
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Its sounds like the guy didnt know your friend had passed away however if he knew then its disgusting and give them hell.
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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RichThugster
Gallente Novus Aequitas
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:46:00 -
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im pretty sure the person in question has never met, or had experiences with Shaelin. I find it highly unlikely that he would have had a reason to smack shaelin prior to reading the news. Since the character Shaelin wasnt there, smacking someone whom wasnt present at the time is a little irregular.
Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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Dopefish
Amarr Quad and Fish
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:55:00 -
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Why do you people keep dragging dead guys on to the forums?
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dopefish Why do you people keep dragging dead guys on to the forums?
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Straylight Last time you declared war against us, Sandborn, it was over some imaginary slight against you or someone else's ego that, to be honest, looked to be completely false when we explored it further. In the end, we decided that it was simply an excuse, and that any excuse would do. As a student of history, it's easy to find many examples of just such a situation in the past: If a nation wishes to declare a war of aggression, excuses WILL be manufactured, no matter how petty they might be.
So, because of what you have already shown, I'm having a hard time taking this most recent excuse seriously. However...Just because I find it difficult to believe doesn't mean that I won't at least look into it, and find out the truth of the situation with my corp mates. I've already begun doing this.
I'm sure I'll know the truth of the situation within the next 24 hours. However, as I've seen how you've acted in the past, I'm also sure that no matter what is said or done, you will continue with your attacks. If you ARE interested in truth, however, I will post my findings here for your perusal.
- Straylight CEO of Red Light Enterprises
I'd take the allegations seriously.
We'd actually rather be on the other side of EvE blowing stuff up and your 28 odd person corp isn't exactly a "target rich environment".
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Padijun Siger
Jita Bureau of Investigation
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:43:00 -
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RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ITT
Would this war be happening if the guy was still alive? Yeah I didn't think so either. I hope when I die, eve players don't use my death as a focal point for petty politics.
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Straylight
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Straylight on 04/09/2006 13:11:21
Originally by: Padijun Siger
RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ITT
Would this war be happening if the guy was still alive? Yeah I didn't think so either. I hope when I die, eve players don't use my death as a focal point for petty politics.
Bingo, we have a winner. Padijun hit the nail on the head here. I'm glad to see ALL logic hasn't fled before the mighty force of misguided emotion.
Anyway, I have your answer, Sandborn et al., and it is exactly what anyone without an emotional stake in the issue would have expected it to be: It was generic run-of-the-mill smack-talk made without knowledge of anything outside the game. Did anyone really expect it to be anything else?
Look, guys, this is a game, an escape from reality. I don't care what you do when you aren't online, hunting me down. You don't care what I do when I'm not around, presenting myself as a target. Do you care about my everyday problems and triumphs? Do I care about yours? The answer is NO! Nobody in my corp, or in any other corp I know of, cares what happens to people outside the game. That's the way it should be. I don't know if it will make you feel better or not, but no slight against the dead was intended, specifically because no-one knew or cared. It was outside the scope of the game, and therefore, of no importance to any of us.
Personally, I'm sorry for your loss. I work in the healthcare industry, and I know firsthand how horrifying death can be, so I emphathize with you. I wish you the best with your healing. But... all of this has no place in the game.
Anyway, I'm sure no-one here is listening. I know you've already made your decision that online blood must be spilled to remedy this slight that you have imagined. All I can do is sigh and carry on, and hope that you guys will get struck by a bolt of, heh, revelation that makes you realize how ridiculous this whole situation is.
- Straylight CEO of RLE |
Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:17:00 -
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stupid people, the day people won't stand up and slap down the idiots that think that they can defame people's names in this game is the day that i leave it, that's one thing i love about this game, at the core of it you have mature individuals that will do their best to defend their friends and do what's right against people who are rediculously morally challenged.
Straylight, im sorry your corp are full of smacktards and idiots, that's your problem, kick the guy and we quit the war, simple as that.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:33:00 -
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It's a whole new band-wagon people, get onboard!
Now you can't just declare war for fun or competition, you have to take the death of someone in real-life, say that your enemy dragged their name though the mud (oh the irony!) and then use that as a basis for your righteous crusade for justice.
Thank you BoB for bringing a whole new sick and twisted dimension to warfare and publicity stunts. Next time we declare war on a corp, I'll be sure to dress it up and say that the opposition insulted my dead hamster beforehand. I'll get to get some kills and look good! -----
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Marovinchian on 04/09/2006 13:43:00 lol....you sir, tossed your hat in with the stupid people....you actually think we WANT to spend time hunting this nub all day to watch these guys log off for a week, i play this game to pvp, but at the same time will always always stand up and knock someone down when they are using a computer screen as a way to be as sick and disgusting as they want.
look at it from a first person perspective, say your friend just died in a horrible way. you deal with it, start moving on, then a guy comes up to you and says "so and so was a f - ing qu - r, f - k him" you would probably want to punch the person in the face. Unfortunately in this world the only retaliation we have is war and making thier gaming less fun. so that's what we'll do
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marovinchian lol....you sir, tossed your hat in with the stupid people....you actually think we WANT to spend time hunting this nub all day to watch these guys log off for a week, i play this game to pvp, but at the same time will always always stand up and knock someone down when they are using a computer screen as a way to be as sick and disgusting as they want.
So if positive publicity has nothing to do with it, why make a forum announcement? You already declared war on Red Light and no-one else knows the guy they supposedly insulted.
I maintain that you're abusing your friend's dignity in a far more severe way than Red Light did. -----
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:44:00 -
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id like to ask how standing up for him when he can't stand up for himself is abusing his name?
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Marovinchian id like to ask how standing up for him when he can't stand up for himself is abusing his name?
It isn't, but that's not what I was accusing you of. I'm accusing you of using this person's death as the basis for a war in a video game and the subsequent publicity you hope to gain, starting with this thread. -----
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
Originally by: Marovinchian id like to ask how standing up for him when he can't stand up for himself is abusing his name?
It isn't, but that's not what I was accusing you of. I'm accusing you of using this person's death as the basis for a war in a video game and the subsequent publicity you hope to gain, starting with this thread.
So where do we draw the line?
Some smacktard offends you ingame so we take ingame action. This way said smacktard can see that there are consequences for his actions.
It's not perfect but it's all we can do, hopefully next time someone will think twice before polluting local with personal insults.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence
So where do we draw the line?
Some smacktard offends you ingame so we take ingame action. This way said smacktard can see that there are consequences for his actions.
It's not perfect but it's all we can do, hopefully next time someone will think twice before polluting local with personal insults.
Simple, instead of posting a thread about it and giving people the impression that you're out for publicity, you simply declare war ingame and deliver your ultimatum ingame. Posting a thread reduces your credibility. By keeping this matter ingame, you're still achieving the goals you said you were aiming for anyway. -----
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Eleese
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
Originally by: Pestillence
So where do we draw the line?
Some smacktard offends you ingame so we take ingame action. This way said smacktard can see that there are consequences for his actions.
It's not perfect but it's all we can do, hopefully next time someone will think twice before polluting local with personal insults.
Simple, instead of posting a thread about it and giving people the impression that you're out for publicity, you simply declare war ingame and deliver your ultimatum ingame. Posting a thread reduces your credibility. By keeping this matter ingame, you're still achieving the goals you said you were aiming for anyway.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
So lets just delete the forums because everything can be stated ingame.
I think you're missing the point of what I was saying.
A normal war-declaration thread is fine; I like reading them and I like the change from the typical announcements from bigger entities. However the subject matter of this thread is different and, in my opinion at least, posting a thread at all is a fairly major act of hypocrisy. The OP claims that the war has been declared because the opposition dragged their dead friend's name through the mud, I argued that using his death as the basis for a war declaration and publicity stunt was equally wrong. So you see, it's not the same thing at all. -----
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Pyxee
War Pigs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Pyxee on 04/09/2006 16:20:55 edit: don't post on EVE-o!
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
So lets just delete the forums because everything can be stated ingame.
You know that's not the point he's making. The very fact that people are bringing real-life into this forum is the thing that is stupid. No matter how much people try to get around it, it is just a game.
I understand that one of the nice things about this game is that actions have consequences, but this is taking it to a whole new absurd level. The person in question isn't insulting that guy personally (and it looks like he didn't even know of what happened), he's insulting the character. They call these things "Role Playing Games" for a reason you know...
So yeah, publicly using your friends death as an excuse for anything is pretty disgusting in my opinion. If this guy did indeed know about the death, and was specifically making fun of it, then that's disgusting as well. But either way, the real life issues should be kept off the forums. If you want a war, just say it's because they smack-talk. Not because "my friend died, and he smack-talked, and that makes it UBER-Ok to war dec them."
Threads like this make me want to quit eve altogether, if nothing else for the fact that if I tragically get killed in real life that my in-game friends would try to use it somehow to "avenge" me. Seriously people, draw a line between this game and real life. The whole community will benefit from it. ________________________________
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remo man
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:16:00 -
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This all started after i killed his brutix and my bio has a memorial to shaelin. He thought it funny to say all sorts of nice things about that and so now must suffer the concequences, pretty simple really.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dopefish Why do you people keep dragging dead guys on to the forums?
People like to beat a man when his down.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Marovinchian on 04/09/2006 20:10:33 k, here's the full convo from local chat that nite, read it and tell me you wouldn't want this person wrung up by the eve community and shot into oblivion
2006.09.03 01:00:52 ] Raspiratadantatay > **** Shaelin! [ 2006.09.03 01:00:56 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:01:10 ] remo man > no thats not funny [ 2006.09.03 01:01:16 ] Raspiratadantatay > sure it is [ 2006.09.03 01:01:19 ] remo man > he died in a car crash [ 2006.09.03 01:01:19 ] Raspiratadantatay > to me [ 2006.09.03 01:01:52 ] Raspiratadantatay > **** his stupid ass for crashing like a dumbass [ 2006.09.03 01:02:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:02:06 ] Raspiratadantatay > **** Shaelin [ 2006.09.03 01:02:10 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol :P [ 2006.09.03 01:02:21 ] remo man > u child [ 2006.09.03 01:02:25 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:02:40 ] Raspiratadantatay > sucks when someone does something you dont want them to or something? [ 2006.09.03 01:02:44 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol you child [ 2006.09.03 01:02:52 ] remo man > your mixing reality and a game here [ 2006.09.03 01:02:59 ] remo man > shame u dont have a brain [ 2006.09.03 01:03:02 ] Raspiratadantatay > this is a game [ 2006.09.03 01:03:08 ] remo man > no **** [ 2006.09.03 01:03:11 ] Raspiratadantatay > learn it [ 2006.09.03 01:03:17 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:03:20 ] remo man > your telling me that [ 2006.09.03 01:03:21 ] remo man > ? [ 2006.09.03 01:03:27 ] remo man > after i just showed u a lesson [ 2006.09.03 01:03:44 ] Raspiratadantatay > well i am talking **** in a game and you acting like we switched to real life [ 2006.09.03 01:03:53 ] remo man > no [ 2006.09.03 01:03:53 ] Raspiratadantatay > kinda hypocritical hey? [ 2006.09.03 01:04:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:04:05 ] Raspiratadantatay > **** Shaelin [ 2006.09.03 01:04:17 ] remo man > your ****** up sense of right and wrong is the bull**** here [ 2006.09.03 01:04:17 ] Raspiratadantatay > hes a stupid ***** [ 2006.09.03 01:04:25 ] remo man > your linking rl and a game [ 2006.09.03 01:04:32 ] Raspiratadantatay > no you are [ 2006.09.03 01:04:37 ] Raspiratadantatay > this is a game [ 2006.09.03 01:04:38 ] remo man > ahh your a child [ 2006.09.03 01:04:40 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:04:40 ] remo man > grow up [ 2006.09.03 01:04:46 ] Raspiratadantatay > get some morals [ 2006.09.03 01:04:48 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:04:49 ] remo man > i have [ 2006.09.03 01:04:51 ] Raspiratadantatay > loser [ 2006.09.03 01:04:54 ] Raspiratadantatay > your prob like 10 [ 2006.09.03 01:04:55 ] remo man > you need to learn some [ 2006.09.03 01:04:56 ] Raspiratadantatay > ? [ 2006.09.03 01:05:02 ] remo man > whats this [ 2006.09.03 01:05:06 ] remo man > your age? [ 2006.09.03 01:05:11 ] Raspiratadantatay > wow [ 2006.09.03 01:05:14 ] Raspiratadantatay > kinda slow [ 2006.09.03 01:05:18 ] remo man > yeah [ 2006.09.03 01:05:21 ] Raspiratadantatay > need me to break it down? [ 2006.09.03 01:05:27 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:05:41 ] Raspiratadantatay > Shaelin would have understood [ 2006.09.03 01:05:42 ] remo man > you need to learn some morals , u need to learn all sorts of things [ 2006.09.03 01:05:47 ] Raspiratadantatay > but hes dead now so oh well [ 2006.09.03 01:05:49 ] remo man > a) how to get out of dipers [ 2006.09.03 01:05:51 ] Raspiratadantatay > **** him [ 2006.09.03 01:05:55 ] remo man > b) how to not **** yourself [ 2006.09.03 01:06:00 ] remo man > all sorts of things [ 2006.09.03 01:06:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > ? [ 2006.09.03 01:06:02 ] remo man > but hey [ 2006.09.03 01:06:04 ] remo man > you wont [ 2006.09.03 01:06:05 ] remo man > why? [ 2006.09.03 01:06:06 ] Raspiratadantatay > your crazy [ 2006.09.03 01:06:11 ] remo man > because your a child [ 2006.09.03 01:06:15 ] Raspiratadantatay > cause i have no ship? |
Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 20:11:00 -
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[ 2006.09.03 01:06:15 ] remo man > and a ignorant one [ 2006.09.03 01:06:17 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:06:19 ] remo man > but that wont chance [ 2006.09.03 01:06:22 ] Raspiratadantatay > yeah you are [ 2006.09.03 01:06:23 ] remo man > change* [ 2006.09.03 01:06:31 ] Raspiratadantatay > what are we gonna do about it though [ 2006.09.03 01:06:42 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:06:49 ] remo man > we? [ 2006.09.03 01:06:59 ] remo man > you assume and presume far too much boy [ 2006.09.03 01:07:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > do you have Shaelin's corpse in your hangar?
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