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Sandborn Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 04:12:00 - [1] It has come to my attention, that a member of Red Light Enterprises took it upon himself to talk smack about an ex-corp mate of mine, Shaelin Corpius. As some may know, Shaelin passed away less than a week ago due to injuries sustained in a car accident, and as you can guess I find myself disgusted that anyone would talk **** about a long time player, and good guy who just recently left us for a hopefully better place. Regardless of how small or active RLE may be, we will keep this war declaration active, and persue their members and any known allies until the member in question is kicked, a public appology is issued, and any other demands I can think up in the mean time are met. For Shaelin. -Sandborn CEO of Revelations Inc.
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 04:34:00 - [2] Disrespecting dead friends of mine will make this game no fun for you
Zomiaen Gallente Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.04 05:50:00 - [3] I fully support your war, Death to RLE! _________________________ pirates wear pink! - eris was herrrrrrre
Der Pfaffe Karnival of Death Squad Barracudas.	Posted - 2006.09.04 05:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Sandborn[quote Raspiratadantatay > ** Shaelin Raspiratadantatay > hes a stupid *** Well he's using the present tense so perhaps he didn't know your friend had passed away... Click here for information about our services.
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.04 07:18:00 - [5] That's ridiculous, give 'em hell.. sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris Pink is overrated, yellow is the new pink - Xorus XORUS!!1 HEATHEN KILLKILLKILLKILLKILL - Immy
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.09.04 08:16:00 - [6] Edited by: arkarsk on 04/09/2006 08:15:55 Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well he's using the present tense so perhaps he didn't know your friend had passed away... Quoting this ----------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes ;_;
Straylight	Posted - 2006.09.04 08:21:00 - [7] Last time you declared war against us, Sandborn, it was over some imaginary slight against you or someone else's ego that, to be honest, looked to be completely false when we explored it further. In the end, we decided that it was simply an excuse, and that any excuse would do. As a student of history, it's easy to find many examples of just such a situation in the past: If a nation wishes to declare a war of aggression, excuses WILL be manufactured, no matter how petty they might be. So, because of what you have already shown, I'm having a hard time taking this most recent excuse seriously. However...Just because I find it difficult to believe doesn't mean that I won't at least look into it, and find out the truth of the situation with my corp mates. I've already begun doing this. I'm sure I'll know the truth of the situation within the next 24 hours. However, as I've seen how you've acted in the past, I'm also sure that no matter what is said or done, you will continue with your attacks. If you ARE interested in truth, however, I will post my findings here for your perusal. - Straylight CEO of Red Light Enterprises
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.04 09:03:00 - [8] Its sounds like the guy didnt know your friend had passed away however if he knew then its disgusting and give them hell. Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
RichThugster Gallente Novus Aequitas	Posted - 2006.09.04 09:46:00 - [9] im pretty sure the person in question has never met, or had experiences with Shaelin. I find it highly unlikely that he would have had a reason to smack shaelin prior to reading the news. Since the character Shaelin wasnt there, smacking someone whom wasnt present at the time is a little irregular. Originally by: KIATolon I just got owned
Dopefish Amarr Quad and Fish	Posted - 2006.09.04 09:55:00 - [10] Why do you people keep dragging dead guys on to the forums?
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 10:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Dopefish Why do you people keep dragging dead guys on to the forums? Bingo! Welcome to BoB vs Goonswarm in miniature! -----
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 10:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Straylight Last time you declared war against us, Sandborn, it was over some imaginary slight against you or someone else's ego that, to be honest, looked to be completely false when we explored it further. In the end, we decided that it was simply an excuse, and that any excuse would do. As a student of history, it's easy to find many examples of just such a situation in the past: If a nation wishes to declare a war of aggression, excuses WILL be manufactured, no matter how petty they might be. So, because of what you have already shown, I'm having a hard time taking this most recent excuse seriously. However...Just because I find it difficult to believe doesn't mean that I won't at least look into it, and find out the truth of the situation with my corp mates. I've already begun doing this. I'm sure I'll know the truth of the situation within the next 24 hours. However, as I've seen how you've acted in the past, I'm also sure that no matter what is said or done, you will continue with your attacks. If you ARE interested in truth, however, I will post my findings here for your perusal. - Straylight CEO of Red Light Enterprises I'd take the allegations seriously. We'd actually rather be on the other side of EvE blowing stuff up and your 28 odd person corp isn't exactly a "target rich environment".
Padijun Siger Jita Bureau of Investigation	Posted - 2006.09.04 11:43:00 - [13] RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ITT Would this war be happening if the guy was still alive? Yeah I didn't think so either. I hope when I die, eve players don't use my death as a focal point for petty politics.
Straylight	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Straylight on 04/09/2006 13:11:21 Originally by: Padijun Siger RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ITT Would this war be happening if the guy was still alive? Yeah I didn't think so either. I hope when I die, eve players don't use my death as a focal point for petty politics. Bingo, we have a winner. Padijun hit the nail on the head here. I'm glad to see ALL logic hasn't fled before the mighty force of misguided emotion. Anyway, I have your answer, Sandborn et al., and it is exactly what anyone without an emotional stake in the issue would have expected it to be: It was generic run-of-the-mill smack-talk made without knowledge of anything outside the game. Did anyone really expect it to be anything else? Look, guys, this is a game, an escape from reality. I don't care what you do when you aren't online, hunting me down. You don't care what I do when I'm not around, presenting myself as a target. Do you care about my everyday problems and triumphs? Do I care about yours? The answer is NO! Nobody in my corp, or in any other corp I know of, cares what happens to people outside the game. That's the way it should be. I don't know if it will make you feel better or not, but no slight against the dead was intended, specifically because no-one knew or cared. It was outside the scope of the game, and therefore, of no importance to any of us. Personally, I'm sorry for your loss. I work in the healthcare industry, and I know firsthand how horrifying death can be, so I emphathize with you. I wish you the best with your healing. But... all of this has no place in the game. Anyway, I'm sure no-one here is listening. I know you've already made your decision that online blood must be spilled to remedy this slight that you have imagined. All I can do is sigh and carry on, and hope that you guys will get struck by a bolt of, heh, revelation that makes you realize how ridiculous this whole situation is. - Straylight CEO of RLE
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:17:00 - [15] stupid people, the day people won't stand up and slap down the idiots that think that they can defame people's names in this game is the day that i leave it, that's one thing i love about this game, at the core of it you have mature individuals that will do their best to defend their friends and do what's right against people who are rediculously morally challenged. Straylight, im sorry your corp are full of smacktards and idiots, that's your problem, kick the guy and we quit the war, simple as that.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:33:00 - [16] It's a whole new band-wagon people, get onboard! Now you can't just declare war for fun or competition, you have to take the death of someone in real-life, say that your enemy dragged their name though the mud (oh the irony!) and then use that as a basis for your righteous crusade for justice. Thank you BoB for bringing a whole new sick and twisted dimension to warfare and publicity stunts. Next time we declare war on a corp, I'll be sure to dress it up and say that the opposition insulted my dead hamster beforehand. I'll get to get some kills and look good! -----
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:37:00 - [17] Edited by: Marovinchian on 04/09/2006 13:43:00 lol....you sir, tossed your hat in with the stupid people....you actually think we WANT to spend time hunting this nub all day to watch these guys log off for a week, i play this game to pvp, but at the same time will always always stand up and knock someone down when they are using a computer screen as a way to be as sick and disgusting as they want. look at it from a first person perspective, say your friend just died in a horrible way. you deal with it, start moving on, then a guy comes up to you and says "so and so was a f - ing qu - r, f - k him" you would probably want to punch the person in the face. Unfortunately in this world the only retaliation we have is war and making thier gaming less fun. so that's what we'll do
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Marovinchian lol....you sir, tossed your hat in with the stupid people....you actually think we WANT to spend time hunting this nub all day to watch these guys log off for a week, i play this game to pvp, but at the same time will always always stand up and knock someone down when they are using a computer screen as a way to be as sick and disgusting as they want. So if positive publicity has nothing to do with it, why make a forum announcement? You already declared war on Red Light and no-one else knows the guy they supposedly insulted. I maintain that you're abusing your friend's dignity in a far more severe way than Red Light did. -----
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:44:00 - [19] id like to ask how standing up for him when he can't stand up for himself is abusing his name?
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Marovinchian id like to ask how standing up for him when he can't stand up for himself is abusing his name? It isn't, but that's not what I was accusing you of. I'm accusing you of using this person's death as the basis for a war in a video game and the subsequent publicity you hope to gain, starting with this thread. -----
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Originally by: Marovinchian id like to ask how standing up for him when he can't stand up for himself is abusing his name? It isn't, but that's not what I was accusing you of. I'm accusing you of using this person's death as the basis for a war in a video game and the subsequent publicity you hope to gain, starting with this thread. So where do we draw the line? Some smacktard offends you ingame so we take ingame action. This way said smacktard can see that there are consequences for his actions. It's not perfect but it's all we can do, hopefully next time someone will think twice before polluting local with personal insults.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Pestillence So where do we draw the line? Some smacktard offends you ingame so we take ingame action. This way said smacktard can see that there are consequences for his actions. It's not perfect but it's all we can do, hopefully next time someone will think twice before polluting local with personal insults. Simple, instead of posting a thread about it and giving people the impression that you're out for publicity, you simply declare war ingame and deliver your ultimatum ingame. Posting a thread reduces your credibility. By keeping this matter ingame, you're still achieving the goals you said you were aiming for anyway. -----
Eleese Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Originally by: Pestillence So where do we draw the line? Some smacktard offends you ingame so we take ingame action. This way said smacktard can see that there are consequences for his actions. It's not perfect but it's all we can do, hopefully next time someone will think twice before polluting local with personal insults. Simple, instead of posting a thread about it and giving people the impression that you're out for publicity, you simply declare war ingame and deliver your ultimatum ingame. Posting a thread reduces your credibility. By keeping this matter ingame, you're still achieving the goals you said you were aiming for anyway. So lets just delete the forums because everything can be stated ingame.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Eleese So lets just delete the forums because everything can be stated ingame. I think you're missing the point of what I was saying. A normal war-declaration thread is fine; I like reading them and I like the change from the typical announcements from bigger entities. However the subject matter of this thread is different and, in my opinion at least, posting a thread at all is a fairly major act of hypocrisy. The OP claims that the war has been declared because the opposition dragged their dead friend's name through the mud, I argued that using his death as the basis for a war declaration and publicity stunt was equally wrong. So you see, it's not the same thing at all. -----
Pyxee War Pigs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Pyxee on 04/09/2006 16:20:55 edit: don't post on EVE-o!
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Eleese So lets just delete the forums because everything can be stated ingame. You know that's not the point he's making. The very fact that people are bringing real-life into this forum is the thing that is stupid. No matter how much people try to get around it, it is just a game. I understand that one of the nice things about this game is that actions have consequences, but this is taking it to a whole new absurd level. The person in question isn't insulting that guy personally (and it looks like he didn't even know of what happened), he's insulting the character. They call these things "Role Playing Games" for a reason you know... So yeah, publicly using your friends death as an excuse for anything is pretty disgusting in my opinion. If this guy did indeed know about the death, and was specifically making fun of it, then that's disgusting as well. But either way, the real life issues should be kept off the forums. If you want a war, just say it's because they smack-talk. Not because "my friend died, and he smack-talked, and that makes it UBER-Ok to war dec them." Threads like this make me want to quit eve altogether, if nothing else for the fact that if I tragically get killed in real life that my in-game friends would try to use it somehow to "avenge" me. Seriously people, draw a line between this game and real life. The whole community will benefit from it. ________________________________
remo man Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:16:00 - [27] This all started after i killed his brutix and my bio has a memorial to shaelin. He thought it funny to say all sorts of nice things about that and so now must suffer the concequences, pretty simple really.
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Dopefish Why do you people keep dragging dead guys on to the forums? People like to beat a man when his down.
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 20:09:00 - [29] Edited by: Marovinchian on 04/09/2006 20:10:33 k, here's the full convo from local chat that nite, read it and tell me you wouldn't want this person wrung up by the eve community and shot into oblivion 2006.09.03 01:00:52 ] Raspiratadantatay > ** Shaelin! [ 2006.09.03 01:00:56 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:01:10 ] remo man > no thats not funny [ 2006.09.03 01:01:16 ] Raspiratadantatay > sure it is [ 2006.09.03 01:01:19 ] remo man > he died in a car crash [ 2006.09.03 01:01:19 ] Raspiratadantatay > to me [ 2006.09.03 01:01:52 ] Raspiratadantatay > his stupid ass for crashing like a dumbass [ 2006.09.03 01:02:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:02:06 ] Raspiratadantatay > Shaelin [ 2006.09.03 01:02:10 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol :P [ 2006.09.03 01:02:21 ] remo man > u child [ 2006.09.03 01:02:25 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:02:40 ] Raspiratadantatay > sucks when someone does something you dont want them to or something? [ 2006.09.03 01:02:44 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol you child [ 2006.09.03 01:02:52 ] remo man > your mixing reality and a game here [ 2006.09.03 01:02:59 ] remo man > shame u dont have a brain [ 2006.09.03 01:03:02 ] Raspiratadantatay > this is a game [ 2006.09.03 01:03:08 ] remo man > no [ 2006.09.03 01:03:11 ] Raspiratadantatay > learn it [ 2006.09.03 01:03:17 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:03:20 ] remo man > your telling me that [ 2006.09.03 01:03:21 ] remo man > ? [ 2006.09.03 01:03:27 ] remo man > after i just showed u a lesson [ 2006.09.03 01:03:44 ] Raspiratadantatay > well i am talking in a game and you acting like we switched to real life [ 2006.09.03 01:03:53 ] remo man > no [ 2006.09.03 01:03:53 ] Raspiratadantatay > kinda hypocritical hey? [ 2006.09.03 01:04:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:04:05 ] Raspiratadantatay > Shaelin [ 2006.09.03 01:04:17 ] remo man > your ** up sense of right and wrong is the bull here [ 2006.09.03 01:04:17 ] Raspiratadantatay > hes a stupid * [ 2006.09.03 01:04:25 ] remo man > your linking rl and a game [ 2006.09.03 01:04:32 ] Raspiratadantatay > no you are [ 2006.09.03 01:04:37 ] Raspiratadantatay > this is a game [ 2006.09.03 01:04:38 ] remo man > ahh your a child [ 2006.09.03 01:04:40 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:04:40 ] remo man > grow up [ 2006.09.03 01:04:46 ] Raspiratadantatay > get some morals [ 2006.09.03 01:04:48 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:04:49 ] remo man > i have [ 2006.09.03 01:04:51 ] Raspiratadantatay > loser [ 2006.09.03 01:04:54 ] Raspiratadantatay > your prob like 10 [ 2006.09.03 01:04:55 ] remo man > you need to learn some [ 2006.09.03 01:04:56 ] Raspiratadantatay > ? [ 2006.09.03 01:05:02 ] remo man > whats this [ 2006.09.03 01:05:06 ] remo man > your age? [ 2006.09.03 01:05:11 ] Raspiratadantatay > wow [ 2006.09.03 01:05:14 ] Raspiratadantatay > kinda slow [ 2006.09.03 01:05:18 ] remo man > yeah [ 2006.09.03 01:05:21 ] Raspiratadantatay > need me to break it down? [ 2006.09.03 01:05:27 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:05:41 ] Raspiratadantatay > Shaelin would have understood [ 2006.09.03 01:05:42 ] remo man > you need to learn some morals , u need to learn all sorts of things [ 2006.09.03 01:05:47 ] Raspiratadantatay > but hes dead now so oh well [ 2006.09.03 01:05:49 ] remo man > a) how to get out of dipers [ 2006.09.03 01:05:51 ] Raspiratadantatay > him [ 2006.09.03 01:05:55 ] remo man > b) how to not ** yourself [ 2006.09.03 01:06:00 ] remo man > all sorts of things [ 2006.09.03 01:06:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > ? [ 2006.09.03 01:06:02 ] remo man > but hey [ 2006.09.03 01:06:04 ] remo man > you wont [ 2006.09.03 01:06:05 ] remo man > why? [ 2006.09.03 01:06:06 ] Raspiratadantatay > your crazy [ 2006.09.03 01:06:11 ] remo man > because your a child [ 2006.09.03 01:06:15 ] Raspiratadantatay > cause i have no ship?
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 20:11:00 - [30] [ 2006.09.03 01:06:15 ] remo man > and a ignorant one [ 2006.09.03 01:06:17 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:06:19 ] remo man > but that wont chance [ 2006.09.03 01:06:22 ] Raspiratadantatay > yeah you are [ 2006.09.03 01:06:23 ] remo man > change* [ 2006.09.03 01:06:31 ] Raspiratadantatay > what are we gonna do about it though [ 2006.09.03 01:06:42 ] Raspiratadantatay > lol [ 2006.09.03 01:06:49 ] remo man > we? [ 2006.09.03 01:06:59 ] remo man > you assume and presume far too much boy [ 2006.09.03 01:07:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > do you have Shaelin's corpse in your hangar?
Trina Tron Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:06:00 - [31] Mother ***** asstard ************ass face*** son of a * *. Serously I hope this guy gets in a car accidanet and learn just how much of a littel *** he is. Give them hell sanborn!
Padijun Siger Jita Bureau of Investigation	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:08:00 - [32] Originally by: remo man This all started after i killed his brutix and my bio has a memorial to shaelin. He thought it funny to say all sorts of nice things about that and so now must suffer the concequences, pretty simple really. I still don't get how insulting someone only becomes an issue after they're dead
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:09:00 - [33] For the most part, I just see boring uninspired smack. But this line: Originally by: Marovinchian [ 2006.09.03 01:07:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > do you have Shaelin's corpse in your hangar? is waaaaay over the top. Doubleplusuncool, and well worth a wardec.
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:11:00 - [34] I heartly endorse this war! I think the main concern is that the bandwagon is not to declare war on corp that **es on the memories of old time friends. The main concern is that the bandwagon is that kids goes and **es on those memories and think that they are funny. All I can say is that I really really hope that .REV. makes Raspiratadantatay's life in EVE really miserable and moves the dec to whatever corp he wants to join. ---
RebelCid	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:14:00 - [35] Honestly, the whole thing is absurd in my opinion. No one looks good in the whole thing anyway. Its disgusting to want to bring real life incidents into a video game, something that I use, and that I think many others use, as an escape to the everyday problems that I face in real life. Im not saying that it was what he said was cool, it is a little cold, but in the same way, someone who guilt trips people with the deaths of others is one sick individual. I also personally believe that this sounds really familiar in comparison to an incident that ocurred in WoW about a funeral for a rl player and some others wrecking it, and that you just want to get some fame under a supposed rightous banner, but in reality, you dont care either way, as long as you look good. Leave all of this petty s*** out of the game and grow up, be a man, and carry on.
Marovinchian Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:26:00 - [36] k, let me spell it out for you, people that take someone dying tragically in real life and transpose it into a reason to smack them in this game are people that i don't want to play the game with, ill do whatever is in my power to make this game horrible for this person until they leave the game or disappear completely off the radar.....simply because i want this gaming experience to not be one that involves people with such horrible human values.
Padijun Siger Jita Bureau of Investigation	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Padijun Siger on 04/09/2006 21:30:08 things I've learned from this thread: -eve players become saints when they die, and their internet honour is beyond reproach... it's a-ok to make fun of them before they die however -I want to pod all parties involved in that chatlog -my eyes are capable of rolling back way further than I thought
Raspiratadantatay	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:48:00 - [38] Well this is just rediculous guys, Eve Online is a game. You guys trying to bring rl into it is just a horrible thing for the game and for the entire Eve community. Next thing you know you will have guys out looking for people who pod killed them in rl to get vengeance. Keep it in the game. Your guy Rema man jumped while I was fighting a couple BC and a few Cruisers and a myriad of other ships in a DED 4 complex. I was already limping and was practically defenseless. Like I said this is a game, but it is real people that control the events in the game, and when someone makes the moral decision to be a pirate and attack innocent people who do not want to fight them, especially when they are hurting and defenseless, they lose their right to judge others morals or be offended when the situation is reversed on them. If you are willing to attack someone, destroy their ship, and steal all their stuff, you deserve any and all smack talk given. And just so there is no miscommunication, that is all there is to it, it was smack talk. I have nothing personally against your friend in game or in real life of course. I don't know anything about him/her and was just talking **** to get under Remo's skin as he did mine when he forced me into PVP. Apparently it worked, but maybe a little too well. I don't care if you guys want to attack me or kill me or whatever, it is your perogative in this game to do so or not. But to declare war on my whole corp is rediculous in this situation. They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned. Sincerely, -Rasp- P.S. I don't usually use forums, so i may have posted this more than once, doesn't look like it worked...
Agent Kenshin Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.04 23:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Raspiratadantatay Well this is just rediculous guys, Eve Online is a game. You guys trying to bring rl into it is just a horrible thing for the game and for the entire Eve community. Next thing you know you will have guys out looking for people who pod killed them in rl to get vengeance. Keep it in the game. Your guy Rema man jumped while I was fighting a couple BC and a few Cruisers and a myriad of other ships in a DED 4 complex. I was already limping and was practically defenseless. Like I said this is a game, but it is real people that control the events in the game, and when someone makes the moral decision to be a pirate and attack innocent people who do not want to fight them, especially when they are hurting and defenseless, they lose their right to judge others morals or be offended when the situation is reversed on them. If you are willing to attack someone, destroy their ship, and steal all their stuff, you deserve any and all smack talk given. And just so there is no miscommunication, that is all there is to it, it was smack talk. I have nothing personally against your friend in game or in real life of course. I don't know anything about him/her and was just talking ** to get under Remo's skin as he did mine when he forced me into PVP. Apparently it worked, but maybe a little too well. I don't care if you guys want to attack me or kill me or whatever, it is your perogative in this game to do so or not. But to declare war on my whole corp is rediculous in this situation. They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned. Sincerely, -Rasp- P.S. I don't usually use forums, so i may have posted this more than once, doesn't look like it worked... Yes well smack is ok and all but it doesnt change the fact that you had to look for something to smack him about. That took more thought than just calling him a bunch of names off the top of your head. You took something that he had in his bio as a respect for a long time friend and smacked about that. Not only that you continued to feed on it when he told you what happened to him. Thats not smack thats being sick and about as cold as it gets. You wanna smack him call him names. Call him a sissy or a pansy. But what you did isnt smack. One of the great things about EVE. You wear your corp tag. You represent your corp in some way or another and every action in EVE has a consequence. And what you did they deem wrong and so they can can take whatever action in game they want to against you. Originally by:** MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Raspiratadantatay They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned. Sad to me you think that way, but hey, it's only the internet right?
Cheechako Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:38:00 - [41] Talking to somebody every night on comms makes it much more personal then just avatars in space. These are friends whom you joke with and whom you respect as a person. I'm sure Shaelin wasn't a saint IRL, nobody ever said as much. But he was a dear friend to many of us and making fun of his death results in the action given. Give em hell Rev.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.05 01:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Raspiratadantatay They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned. Sad to me you think that way, but hey, it's only the internet right? Yeah, actually, it IS only the internet. After reading that chatlog, it's evident that the first person to drag their friend's death into this game was NOT Rasp. The whole incident never would have happened if people were able to seperate this game from reality. So in other words, remo or whoever was the one who brought up this guys death. That's digusting in and of itself. Why does he even have that stuff in his Bio? And why did he mention the car crash? Does he think that this guys family will appreciate that his death is being broadcast for people to see? Did it serve any real purpose, other than asking for someone to talk about it? Sounded like flamebait to me. Either that or "Oh, your friend died I am sorry to hear that" sypmathy vote. That's ***** selfish, and completely despicable. And even worse. I would like for one of you guys to tell me: How exactly are you honoring his memory? A war declaration in an imaginary universe? Man, eve has sunk to a new low. I'll tell you what, I will accept that this is a valid way to honor your friend if you can do one thing for me: Go tell the family of your deceased friend exactly what you are doing to defend his honor. If they respond favorably, and tell you "Yeah, he would have wanted that", then I will accept it. But I bet you won't do that. We all know that the family would get **ed that you're advertising your friends death for something that has absolutely no impact on the real world. It would be different if you were doing this maybe to prevent drunk driving, or lower the speed limits in residential areas, or ANYTHING that would have an impact on real life. And that's why you should keep matters such as these where they belong, and not in some goddamn video game. The war dec is not my problem with you guys. My problem is that you're advertising someone's death where it has absolutely no place. You want to make this guy quit the game? Fine, do it. He's a jerk, he deserves it. But the second you advertise this as a reason to get a sympathy vote, or as a means to make the public dislike someone...then you've become just as disgusting as rasp. I'll say it again: god forbid someone use my death as an excuse to war dec someone in this game. I'd have to come back as a ghost and beat their asses for being so stupid and disrespectful. ________________________________
CrestoftheStars The Greater Goon	Posted - 2006.09.05 01:03:00 - [43] I think its better to keep stuff like this off the forums. Not only is it undignified but you are just giving childish attention seekers like the guy in the chat log the attention they want. If people act like p***ks certainly shoot them all you can in game (and put them on Block I'd strongly suggest).
Sandborn Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:04:00 - [44] Why a forum post about it? Simple, when someone does something disgusting and heinous, you hear about it on the news, in the papers. So you know, to avoid this sicko. It also in itself is a justice as that person knows shame when everyone else knows about their dirty little deeds. Shae was a good guy, in rl and in game. Despite what people say, this is more than just a game where nothing outside of it matters in it. Most of the people I've flown with for the past two years are good friends, some even better than my old RL friends before I started playing. In point of fact, I talk to most of these people outside of EVE than I do in it. So you'll excuse me when I see a good guy and a war vet get slandered in a sick and childish manner, in or out of a game.
Agent Kenshin Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Helganstandt .......STUFF....... You know i have NP with people posting stuff about fallen friends in their Bios and such. I respect the fact that they were fellow EVE players that are now taken from us. They shared time in EVE with me. Theyre just not some other people who play on some other server. They play with you even if you havent ever met them. Just because its a video game doesnt mean its not real. They may only be pixels and bytes of information sent through the internet to you PC screen. But to quite a few people playing form friendships which extend far beyond the pixels. IM SORRY BUT THIS IS NOT JUST SOME GAME. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.05 04:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Originally by: Helganstandt .......STUFF....... You know i have NP with people posting stuff about fallen friends in their Bios and such. I respect the fact that they were fellow EVE players that are now taken from us. They shared time in EVE with me. Theyre just not some other people who play on some other server. They play with you even if you havent ever met them. Just because its a video game doesnt mean its not real. They may only be pixels and bytes of information sent through the internet to you PC screen. But to quite a few people playing form friendships which extend far beyond the pixels. IM SORRY BUT THIS IS NOT JUST SOME GAME. I'm not saying that you can't make friendships through a video game. Whatever you do outside the game is your own business. But when you start taking things seriously inside the game, it becomes a problem pyschologically. Maybe it's just because I've worked at a crisis center where I get calls from women who have been beaten to within half and inch of their life when an angry husband's football team loses a game, that I am somewhat biased of taking games so seriously. But I find this sort of behavior and general conduct as just the beginning to something more serious. The point at which this game stops being just a game is the point in which you should stop playing. Making friends is a far cry from threatening someone, and these guys are just a half-step away from doing that. They took an insult from someone they don't even know personally, are willing to "make the guy stop playing altogether" and were more than willing to drag their friends death through the mud as a means to do this. The point of the game is to have fun. Yes, emotion is attached to that, and so you can have some emotion when people smack talk, when you lose something, when you win etc. But when the feelings get mixed up with people in real life, that's when the trouble starts. And I still have yet to hear whether they would tell the family of their venture to "defend his honor." Part of the reason I want them to answer this is maybe just so I can know how seriously they are taking this. If they say "no, we wouldn't", at least I'll be able to know that some part of them is just doing this "in character" and that they're not willing to bring these things into the real world. If they say yes....then I'm just sickened, and they should get some help. Either way, I say leave real life to real life, and game life to game life. Is that too much to ask? ________________________________

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