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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:06:00 -
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Mother ******* asstard ****************ass face******* son of a ***** **** *****.
Serously I hope this guy gets in a car accidanet and learn just how much of a littel ***** he is.
Give them hell sanborn!
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Padijun Siger
Jita Bureau of Investigation
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:08:00 -
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 Originally by: remo man
This all started after i killed his brutix and my bio has a memorial to shaelin. He thought it funny to say all sorts of nice things about that and so now must suffer the concequences, pretty simple really.
I still don't get how insulting someone only becomes an issue after they're dead
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Tar Kovsky
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:09:00 -
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For the most part, I just see boring uninspired smack. But this line:
Originally by: Marovinchian
[ 2006.09.03 01:07:01 ] Raspiratadantatay > do you have Shaelin's corpse in your hangar?
is waaaaay over the top. Doubleplusuncool, and well worth a wardec.
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:11:00 -
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I heartly endorse this war!
I think the main concern is that the bandwagon is not to declare war on corp that ****es on the memories of old time friends.
The main concern is that the bandwagon is that kids goes and ****es on those memories and think that they are funny.
All I can say is that I really really hope that .REV. makes Raspiratadantatay's life in EVE really miserable and moves the dec to whatever corp he wants to join.
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RebelCid
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:14:00 -
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Honestly, the whole thing is absurd in my opinion. No one looks good in the whole thing anyway. Its disgusting to want to bring real life incidents into a video game, something that I use, and that I think many others use, as an escape to the everyday problems that I face in real life. Im not saying that it was what he said was cool, it is a little cold, but in the same way, someone who guilt trips people with the deaths of others is one sick individual. I also personally believe that this sounds really familiar in comparison to an incident that ocurred in WoW about a funeral for a rl player and some others wrecking it, and that you just want to get some fame under a supposed rightous banner, but in reality, you dont care either way, as long as you look good. Leave all of this petty s*** out of the game and grow up, be a man, and carry on.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:26:00 -
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k, let me spell it out for you, people that take someone dying tragically in real life and transpose it into a reason to smack them in this game are people that i don't want to play the game with, ill do whatever is in my power to make this game horrible for this person until they leave the game or disappear completely off the radar.....simply because i want this gaming experience to not be one that involves people with such horrible human values.
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Padijun Siger
Jita Bureau of Investigation
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Posted - 2006.09.04 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Padijun Siger on 04/09/2006 21:30:08
things I've learned from this thread:
-eve players become saints when they die, and their internet honour is beyond reproach... it's a-ok to make fun of them before they die however
-I want to pod all parties involved in that chatlog
-my eyes are capable of rolling back way further than I thought
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Raspiratadantatay
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Posted - 2006.09.04 22:48:00 -
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Well this is just rediculous guys, Eve Online is a game. You guys trying to bring rl into it is just a horrible thing for the game and for the entire Eve community. Next thing you know you will have guys out looking for people who pod killed them in rl to get vengeance. Keep it in the game. Your guy Rema man jumped while I was fighting a couple BC and a few Cruisers and a myriad of other ships in a DED 4 complex. I was already limping and was practically defenseless. Like I said this is a game, but it is real people that control the events in the game, and when someone makes the moral decision to be a pirate and attack innocent people who do not want to fight them, especially when they are hurting and defenseless, they lose their right to judge others morals or be offended when the situation is reversed on them. If you are willing to attack someone, destroy their ship, and steal all their stuff, you deserve any and all smack talk given. And just so there is no miscommunication, that is all there is to it, it was smack talk. I have nothing personally against your friend in game or in real life of course. I don't know anything about him/her and was just talking **** to get under Remo's skin as he did mine when he forced me into PVP. Apparently it worked, but maybe a little too well. I don't care if you guys want to attack me or kill me or whatever, it is your perogative in this game to do so or not. But to declare war on my whole corp is rediculous in this situation. They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned.
Sincerely,
-Rasp-
P.S.
I don't usually use forums, so i may have posted this more than once, doesn't look like it worked...
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Agent Kenshin
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Raspiratadantatay
Well this is just rediculous guys, Eve Online is a game. You guys trying to bring rl into it is just a horrible thing for the game and for the entire Eve community. Next thing you know you will have guys out looking for people who pod killed them in rl to get vengeance. Keep it in the game. Your guy Rema man jumped while I was fighting a couple BC and a few Cruisers and a myriad of other ships in a DED 4 complex. I was already limping and was practically defenseless. Like I said this is a game, but it is real people that control the events in the game, and when someone makes the moral decision to be a pirate and attack innocent people who do not want to fight them, especially when they are hurting and defenseless, they lose their right to judge others morals or be offended when the situation is reversed on them. If you are willing to attack someone, destroy their ship, and steal all their stuff, you deserve any and all smack talk given. And just so there is no miscommunication, that is all there is to it, it was smack talk. I have nothing personally against your friend in game or in real life of course. I don't know anything about him/her and was just talking **** to get under Remo's skin as he did mine when he forced me into PVP. Apparently it worked, but maybe a little too well. I don't care if you guys want to attack me or kill me or whatever, it is your perogative in this game to do so or not. But to declare war on my whole corp is rediculous in this situation. They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned.
Sincerely,
-Rasp-
P.S.
I don't usually use forums, so i may have posted this more than once, doesn't look like it worked...
Yes well smack is ok and all but it doesnt change the fact that you had to look for something to smack him about. That took more thought than just calling him a bunch of names off the top of your head. You took something that he had in his bio as a respect for a long time friend and smacked about that. Not only that you continued to feed on it when he told you what happened to him. Thats not smack thats being sick and about as cold as it gets. You wanna smack him call him names. Call him a sissy or a pansy. But what you did isnt smack.
One of the great things about EVE. You wear your corp tag. You represent your corp in some way or another and every action in EVE has a consequence. And what you did they deem wrong and so they can can take whatever action in game they want to against you.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Raspiratadantatay
They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned.
Sad to me you think that way, but hey, it's only the internet right?
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Cheechako
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.05 00:38:00 -
[41]
Talking to somebody every night on comms makes it much more personal then just avatars in space. These are friends whom you joke with and whom you respect as a person. I'm sure Shaelin wasn't a saint IRL, nobody ever said as much. But he was a dear friend to many of us and making fun of his death results in the action given.
Give em hell Rev.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.09.05 01:02:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: Raspiratadantatay
They didn't do anything wrong and neither did I as far as I'm concerned.
Sad to me you think that way, but hey, it's only the internet right?
Yeah, actually, it IS only the internet. After reading that chatlog, it's evident that the first person to drag their friend's death into this game was NOT Rasp. The whole incident never would have happened if people were able to seperate this game from reality.
So in other words, remo or whoever was the one who brought up this guys death. That's digusting in and of itself. Why does he even have that stuff in his Bio? And why did he mention the car crash? Does he think that this guys family will appreciate that his death is being broadcast for people to see? Did it serve any real purpose, other than asking for someone to talk about it? Sounded like flamebait to me. Either that or "Oh, your friend died I am sorry to hear that" sypmathy vote. That's ******* selfish, and completely despicable.
And even worse. I would like for one of you guys to tell me: How exactly are you honoring his memory? A war declaration in an imaginary universe? Man, eve has sunk to a new low.
I'll tell you what, I will accept that this is a valid way to honor your friend if you can do one thing for me:
Go tell the family of your deceased friend exactly what you are doing to defend his honor. If they respond favorably, and tell you "Yeah, he would have wanted that", then I will accept it.
But I bet you won't do that. We all know that the family would get ****ed that you're advertising your friends death for something that has absolutely no impact on the real world. It would be different if you were doing this maybe to prevent drunk driving, or lower the speed limits in residential areas, or ANYTHING that would have an impact on real life. And that's why you should keep matters such as these where they belong, and not in some goddamn video game.
The war dec is not my problem with you guys. My problem is that you're advertising someone's death where it has absolutely no place. You want to make this guy quit the game? Fine, do it. He's a jerk, he deserves it. But the second you advertise this as a reason to get a sympathy vote, or as a means to make the public dislike someone...then you've become just as disgusting as rasp.
I'll say it again: god forbid someone use my death as an excuse to war dec someone in this game. I'd have to come back as a ghost and beat their asses for being so stupid and disrespectful.
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CrestoftheStars
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2006.09.05 01:03:00 -
[43]
I think its better to keep stuff like this off the forums. Not only is it undignified but you are just giving childish attention seekers like the guy in the chat log the attention they want.
If people act like p***ks certainly shoot them all you can in game (and put them on Block I'd strongly suggest).
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Sandborn
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 02:04:00 -
[44]
Why a forum post about it?
Simple, when someone does something disgusting and heinous, you hear about it on the news, in the papers. So you know, to avoid this sicko. It also in itself is a justice as that person knows shame when everyone else knows about their dirty little deeds.
Shae was a good guy, in rl and in game. Despite what people say, this is more than just a game where nothing outside of it matters in it. Most of the people I've flown with for the past two years are good friends, some even better than my old RL friends before I started playing. In point of fact, I talk to most of these people outside of EVE than I do in it. So you'll excuse me when I see a good guy and a war vet get slandered in a sick and childish manner, in or out of a game. |
Agent Kenshin
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.05 02:24:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Helganstandt
.......STUFF.......
You know i have NP with people posting stuff about fallen friends in their Bios and such. I respect the fact that they were fellow EVE players that are now taken from us. They shared time in EVE with me. Theyre just not some other people who play on some other server. They play with you even if you havent ever met them.
Just because its a video game doesnt mean its not real. They may only be pixels and bytes of information sent through the internet to you PC screen. But to quite a few people playing form friendships which extend far beyond the pixels.
IM SORRY BUT THIS IS NOT JUST SOME GAME.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.09.05 04:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Originally by: Helganstandt
.......STUFF.......
You know i have NP with people posting stuff about fallen friends in their Bios and such. I respect the fact that they were fellow EVE players that are now taken from us. They shared time in EVE with me. Theyre just not some other people who play on some other server. They play with you even if you havent ever met them.
Just because its a video game doesnt mean its not real. They may only be pixels and bytes of information sent through the internet to you PC screen. But to quite a few people playing form friendships which extend far beyond the pixels.
IM SORRY BUT THIS IS NOT JUST SOME GAME.
I'm not saying that you can't make friendships through a video game. Whatever you do outside the game is your own business. But when you start taking things seriously inside the game, it becomes a problem pyschologically.
Maybe it's just because I've worked at a crisis center where I get calls from women who have been beaten to within half and inch of their life when an angry husband's football team loses a game, that I am somewhat biased of taking games so seriously. But I find this sort of behavior and general conduct as just the beginning to something more serious.
The point at which this game stops being just a game is the point in which you should stop playing. Making friends is a far cry from threatening someone, and these guys are just a half-step away from doing that. They took an insult from someone they don't even know personally, are willing to "make the guy stop playing altogether" and were more than willing to drag their friends death through the mud as a means to do this.
The point of the game is to have fun. Yes, emotion is attached to that, and so you can have some emotion when people smack talk, when you lose something, when you win etc. But when the feelings get mixed up with people in real life, that's when the trouble starts.
And I still have yet to hear whether they would tell the family of their venture to "defend his honor."
Part of the reason I want them to answer this is maybe just so I can know how seriously they are taking this. If they say "no, we wouldn't", at least I'll be able to know that some part of them is just doing this "in character" and that they're not willing to bring these things into the real world. If they say yes....then I'm just sickened, and they should get some help.
Either way, I say leave real life to real life, and game life to game life. Is that too much to ask?
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