Spectre will be there.

As will Ganked (Its also Ganked 150 that day).

Will this thing actually have a kill mail or will there be too many for ccp to handle again?

the event has been moved to 19:00 evetime! spread the word!

Titan was in the defense fleet as a booster

Rigged

1700 in local

230 in titan fleet


rigged

dont forgot to mention your very special hardeners vs the spectrefleet in adition of the titanboost

Nodes will be re-enforced but expect it to be busy as the pilot with the final blow will receive 20 billion cold hard interstellar space credits and 5 free tickets to #EVE_NT!

Closing account first to kill CCP and send me the body gets all my stuff

Wouldn't that mean you would be sending the body back?

The tears.

It was the offense of the "defensive team".

I think everyone expected someone to mix things up, but not the fleet hired to fly and defend the titan by iwantisk.

This was not a coordinated 1000 other pilots vs 220... it was 220+ mostly tech III with logi, carriers with triage support, and Erebus running gangs boosts to all of that.

They were clearly the biggest group there, simple as that. They fit vs fleets they KNEW were coming, this was like really bad one sided fleet fight with a bunch of stragglers and a few small fleets not coordinated. Nothing more.

...and last but certainly not least better leadership.

How any of this was a surprise too you I haven't the foggiest.

What did you want the defense fleet to do? Just sit there and rep the titan while you killed them. Second get this idea that the defense fleet was hired by IWANTISK, It wasn't.

Now your assumption about what the defence fleet had is indeed true, the defense fleet came in armor T3s with Guardian's and archon support.
However you are completely off the mark about what the defense fleet was up against.

Long before most of the pubbies like RVB and specter fleet even came on grid or in system for that matter the defense fleet was brawling it out with Gorgon Empire's machariel fleet that killed a number of the defense fleets logistics and a few of the dps ships as well.

And when the NPSI people did come on grid it was not in random small ships like cruisers with little to no logi. No they came with around 400 armor battleships with more logi and more carriers then the defense fleet, that's not counting the mass of random other ships that came, add too that the 12 I think bhaalgorns and a handful of vindicators.

Yes the defense fleet was assisted by the small AF fleet from the CFC but even counting that the defense fleet was up against over four times their numbers.

Stop acting like you lost because we cheated, we don't cheat, we're just plain better. Better pilots, better equipped, better prepared, and last but certainly not least better leadership.

Better luck next time.

Host the event, has knowledge what to stock ships, anyone dies... "reships" ok your right your just awesome.... lawl.

This defensive fleet that was "hired" by iwantisk...

It was a big fight and they kept it going by repping the titan and not making it easy to get on the killmail. I have nothing against that. If you do, I have to assume you were just looking for an easy button to get 20 billion isk and are mad that you didn't get that. It didn't happen that way. Oh well, fun was had anyway. Let's do it again!

I'm more offended that folks didn't think the titan would be defended, either intentionally or otherwise. It should just be assumed that someone else will want to make your fun harder.

I said in post mortem after the thing, given the opportunity I would have done exactly what you guys did and defended it. Mostly for the tears from members of my own community ;D

Grats to Nashh Kadavr on geting on the titan kill and 105 other.
The way that fleet and the titan co-oped was a suprise

I want ISK seems to acknowledge that.

For me i got all i needed from the "event" besides any prize(as always)


Wonder when will we have that T3 rebalance ? Mang

I want ISK has their heads firmly up their rears if they think the defense fleet should have been unarmed. Dear God IWANTISK, really, I mean really no weapons. Do you even play this game? Do you have any concept of what most people in this game like to do? Well let me tell you. We like to shoot things, and we have even more fun if they shoot back.

Host the event, has knowledge what to stock ships, anyone dies... "reships" ok your right your just awesome.... lawl.

Both Nashh and Bobmon were on the show to talk about this and the backlash that happened in the media Enjoy

Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

Sorry if I expect the host of an event to not be able to win his own event.

Will there be planned isk being provided forth for your defense fleets in the future?

Hello DJWiggles!
I believe we have met before.

In the interview, one of the biggest things anyone forgot to mention is that all of us, bobmon, Nassh, some bankers and myself actually were all in a teamspeak conversation and all sides of the story were listened to and the story concluded the way it concluded. With the information that bobmon posted on evenews24.com. Bobmon's article followed what he heard from both sides. Maybe being on live radio got him nervous enough to completely forget this, but it happened.

The prize originally was intended for the final blow on the titan (the only bit of information actually available on the forum post). The final blow went to the defense fleet. (and thus an unfair fleet won technically)
The defense fleet had a major logistical advantage and intel around the solar system.
The defense fleet was not against everyone else. It was a free for all. After all, not blue, shoot it.

The outcome of the defense fleet would not have been the same if it had been anyone else, because then that group would not have had the advantage that the defense fleet had. We actually would have liked to see a group hijack the titan and hold it till they decided to kill it which is likely to happen.

In the end, the defense fleet that WAS organized by Nassh got the final blow on the titan.
The defense fleet has been connected to Nassh.
The defense fleet knew 48 hours before everyone else where the titan would be located.
The defense fleet set up an impenetrable barrier that never engaged more than 250 people at once, even though there were 1700 people in local. (a defense barrier of reported 230+ members)
The final blow was the only condition for winning. This caused us to change the giveaways to top damage.

This is why we concluded with still sponsoring the live event (as we have bankers that will be there to do the giveaways of the rest of the ISK) but no longer sponsoring in-game events with this third party.

The sanctity of competition was compromised.

The defense fleet had a major logistical advantage and intel around the solar system.

The defense fleet was not against everyone else. It was a free for all. After all, not blue, shoot it.

The outcome of the defense fleet would not have been the same if it had been anyone else, because then that group would not have had the advantage that the defense fleet had. We actually would have liked to see a group hijack the titan and hold it till they decided to kill it which is likely to happen.

The defense fleet has been connected to Nassh.
The defense fleet knew 48 hours before everyone else where the titan would be located.

The defense fleet set up an impenetrable barrier that never engaged more than 250 people at once, even though there were 1700 people in local. (a defense barrier of reported 230+ members)

Hello DJWiggles!
I believe we have met before.

In the interview, one of the biggest things anyone forgot to mention is that all of us, bobmon, Nassh, some bankers and myself actually were all in a teamspeak conversation and all sides of the story were listened to and the story concluded the way it concluded. With the information that bobmon posted on evenews24.com. Bobmon's article followed what he heard from both sides. Maybe being on live radio got him nervous enough to completely forget this, but it happened.

The prize originally was intended for the final blow on the titan (the only bit of information actually available on the forum post). The final blow went to the defense fleet. (and thus an unfair fleet won technically)
The defense fleet had a major logistical advantage and intel around the solar system.
The defense fleet was not against everyone else. It was a free for all. After all, not blue, shoot it.

The outcome of the defense fleet would not have been the same if it had been anyone else, because then that group would not have had the advantage that the defense fleet had. We actually would have liked to see a group hijack the titan and hold it till they decided to kill it which is likely to happen.

In the end, the defense fleet that WAS organized by Nassh got the final blow on the titan.
The defense fleet has been connected to Nassh.
The defense fleet knew 48 hours before everyone else where the titan would be located.
The defense fleet set up an impenetrable barrier that never engaged more than 250 people at once, even though there were 1700 people in local. (a defense barrier of reported 230+ members)
The final blow was the only condition for winning. This caused us to change the giveaways to top damage.

This is why we concluded with still sponsoring the live event (as we have bankers that will be there to do the giveaways of the rest of the ISK) but no longer sponsoring in-game events with this third party.

The sanctity of competition was compromised.

Regardless of what everyone's opinions on what went wrong and what went right is, our conclusion will not change.

The titan was killed by the defense fleet. A BIG NO NO.
We will no longer host in-game events using this third party.

The fight was indeed amazing.
* Especially for the defense fleet whom padded their kill mails and even got the titan kill.

We understand most players had fun but an event CAN be fun and end the wrong way. As this one did.

We are unhappy with how it was marketed and maintained as well as being unhappy with the fact that the defense fleet got the final blow, when the defense fleet should not have participated on the kill.

Since there is so much confusion, I would like Nassh Kadavr to apologize publicly to IwantISK.com and staff for making us look bad and for setting up an event to be in their fleet's favor causing the winner of the event to be a fleet member hired by the host. If no apology is found we will be forced to retract our sponsorship for #EVE_nt in any current and future events, be it live in person or in-game. Not a threat, a promise.

We're not arguing the outcome. Our conclusion is set in stone.

For those of you that seem to be confused as to how this was a fun little failure, repeat this in your own head.

"The titan was killed by the defense fleet. A BIG NO NO. "

Wow.... You just don't get it. The only person making IWantIsk look bad is yourself. Just because you came to a conclusion doesn't mean it is the right one. All you have done this entire thread is spew incorrect information about the event. Based upon the information you have put forth it is pretty clear you don't even know what happened at the event. You have people on both sides and FCs on both sides telling you it was awesome and yet you are demanding an apology from the group that made it so great. You are a walking and talking PR disaster...

Your big complaint is that the defense fleet helped kill the titan they defended. Based upon your previous statements I doubt you looked into the event enough to know that the defense fleet, upon realizing the fight was over, invited everyone back to help kill the titan. Some people took up that offer, others didn't and left. At the end of the day the titan needed to die. Review the killmail. There are hundreds of pilots not affiliated with the defense fleet on the killmail. Any single one of them could have gotten final blow. Trust me. It has happened to me before. For you to even think for a moment that the defense fleet didn't deserve to help kill the titan shows how little you understand about how much time, effort, and isk they put into making this event a success. They did everything right by inviting people back and very much deserved to help kill the titan. You should be ashamed and feel very embarrassed for demanding any form of apology at all.

Since there is so much confusion, I would like Nassh Kadavr to apologize publicly to IwantISK.com and staff for making us look bad and for setting up an event to be in their fleet's favor causing the winner of the event to be a fleet member hired by the host. If no apology is found we will be forced to retract our sponsorship for #EVE_nt in any current and future events, be it live in person or in-game. Not a threat, a promise.

Regardless of what everyone's opinions on what went wrong and what went right is, our conclusion will not change.

The titan was killed by the defense fleet. A BIG NO NO.
We will no longer host in-game events using this third party.

The fight was indeed amazing.
* Especially for the defense fleet whom padded their kill mails and even got the titan kill.

We understand most players had fun but an event CAN be fun and end the wrong way. As this one did.

We are unhappy with how it was marketed and maintained as well as being unhappy with the fact that the defense fleet got the final blow, when the defense fleet should not have participated on the kill.

Since there is so much confusion, I would like Nassh Kadavr to apologize publicly to IwantISK.com and staff for making us look bad and for setting up an event to be in their fleet's favor causing the winner of the event to be a fleet member hired by the host. If no apology is found we will be forced to retract our sponsorship for #EVE_nt in any current and future events, be it live in person or in-game. Not a threat, a promise.

We're not arguing the outcome. Our conclusion is set in stone.

For those of you that seem to be confused as to how this was a fun little failure, repeat this in your own head.

"The titan was killed by the defense fleet. A BIG NO NO. "

Can you please explain to me how it's possible for Nassh to set up the event in favour of the defense fleet when he has no control over how many people or what ships come to attack it?

The defense fleet did not have an advantage over the others. In fact we were at a severe disadvantage. We held the field due to being well practiced in EVE pvp. And then killed the titan because otherwise it wouldn't have died.

I probably shouldn't be repeating this here, but here is the message given to me a couple of hours before the fight by a Snuff director:
"dir: you around early evening
dir: because there's a "kill a titan" event and there's going to be a few hundred hostiles"

Yes. You read it correctly. We prepared to take on a few hundred. Our fleet was comped to deal with a few hundred.

We actually took on 1.5 thousand.

I've done this for years.
I've been through much worse.
This is nothing.
500 != 1500.

Please, don't use numbers to make your point. It's just a crappy excuse.

I think the only reason the titan died was iwantisk spoke up and told them it had to die.. or it wouldn't of died imo. This was said on twitch..

This was my first event of this nature. Besides being fair weather EVE player for many years I wanted to step up and try this type of challenge.

I had to figure out how to do this. being as RvB was advertising they had fleet for this I joined naturally. This process for me, was a total mess. After 2 hours of xing up, I still didn't have an invite. FC's (bless them) were having a difficult go at managing their surprised 500+ people trying to spam x's. It was a ******* mess. You could tell things were in total disarray, Fc's were baffled what to do with the numbers.. I think they though "maybe a fleet".. way too many people.. also hence the uncoordinated fleet even under good fc's.

2 1/2 hours later I still had no invite and fleets were full and not talking to each other. As someone that is noobish, I gave up and went on my own. I sat on coms to gain intel as where I'm supposed to be or where the titan would be. I would try to get a fleet invite another hour later will no avail. Did I mention how messy it was? Different coms, coms filling up.. people raging about no invites. it was a MESS.

I decided to go on my own, I got to the staging system @ 18:56 and started to get franctic and gather intel as to not miss the kill. They stated the event had started, but still didn't see titan for another 25 minutes around 19:30 on field. I think Spectre fleet came in nearly an hour late? Those 9 jumps, must of been brutal 9not really it was just a ******* mess).

I warp into the crowd in a frig and target the titan, it's maybe 95% shields. I start to get targeted and warped off. Rinse and repeat this 100 times. I get off coms as it just confusing, they switched coms 2-3 times to deal with numbers and even used dif coms for different spectre fleets (ouch). it was so terrible I decided to get my info from a small gang in system I met in the iwantisk channel. I took a few shots at the titan always being targeted as I landed.. now I a noobie ship I'm surprised, but I deal with it. It after all is titan.

So the titan is not even being touched 2 hours into the event.. iwanted to see who was fighting. I notice three big groups napocs, machs, and this huge logi/harpy/tech III fleet.. I was in awe. I start to target things to see what I happening and maybe get on a few "whored" mails. It was slow going with a few fleets warping off after 1-2 hours of slugging it out.

What I learn from intel though.. is that one of the big fleets and the most organized was the "defensive" fleet. I thought to myself.. that's cool someone decided to take the role of good guy and rep this titan. That was not the case, this defensive fleet I learned was actually the hosts. Well that makes it interesting I thought.

I liked the event even with the **** fest that went on, but how it ended was terrible.

The defense fleet killed the titan, the people hosting the event, are taking the kill for themselves. Intel starts to drown in as I watch the live twitch feed. The titan pilot is not unbias, it's the same fleets pilot. He is actually in the gang boosting them 100%. How are they reshipping without having to warp.. how did they get set up so well to defend the titan. Then it became clear with intel again.. They knew about or at least their fc's knew about the location and how to defend weeks ahead of time.

I think this would of been fine, it added a lot of good conent.it made me work to be on that kill, even if in the end it was with a noobship. I think it added flavor to the event.. but there was this greed behind it. It wasn't good enough they killed people left and right (those not allied with them), that they held the field. They decided to that they would kill the titan themselves and reap the rewards. I think the only reason the titan died was iwantisk spoke up and told them it had to die.. or it wouldn't of died imo. This was said on twitch..

To top it off, if it was just for GF's or lulz. The pilot himself before the kill refit the titan with civ mods. To them this was "going to be funny". That was not funny, no one besides them thought it was ..lol .It was a big screw you to those many of us that came and spent 6 hours. that is not the spirit of this event. The way the hosts behaved was not the spirit of this event, it just wasn't.

Why don't you hear more from people? On this forum or tied to their char in game. Well it's EVE, you would belittle them and berate them because they "just don't get EVE". What I currently see is the same members of SC, SO,DT that are swarming the thread with "it went great". You won't see many unhappy as you would tear them apart with your cool-eve-forum guy persona.

***TL/DR I had fun at this event and it gave me a real glimpse of what it would be like trying to ***** on titan mail in null. As it was more of a tactical job to get the hit on titan, but not let timer run out (tidi made this easier). In and out warps, and all that good stuff.

However I do understand some people position on the way it went and there seemed like a process and event not thought out. I would of given these eve_nt guys many rules of conduct before just letting them lose. I think they did what they thought they should do, had weeks to plan and they did just that. Were they told not too? Where they told what was expected?

I'm just going to disagree with you here. As a member of a corporation whose CEO is said Nashh Kadavr, the information we were provided before the event was 'the titan will die, no matter who has to kill it in the end'.

We weren't going to keep a titan to ourselves. We're one of the few remaining piracy corps, we do not need a titan to whoop other peoples' asses.

On to the main part of the post;

I want ISK, I, as a user of your site and services, request that your board publicly apologizes to Nashh Kadavr for slandering his name and for bailing-out of an agreement which helped you promote your name and your site/services in exchange for sponsorship money and/or ISK that was planned to be used for prizes/raffles for the event participants. The marketing you were essentially paying for was achieved, at any level given, but your sponsorship funds have not seen the event organizer in the fullest. Hopefully, I'm not the only one who requests this.

Sincerely, your user.

I'm just going to disagree with you here. As a member of a corporation whose CEO is said Nashh Kadavr, the information we were provided before the event was 'the titan will die, no matter who has to kill it in the end'.

We weren't going to keep a titan to ourselves. We're one of the few remaining piracy corps, we do not need a titan to whoop other peoples' asses.

Some Sperg

I know you acknowledge at the start of your post that this isn't your usual fare, but you got a few things wrong.

I'm also surprised your fleets weren't advertised? Would've made them a lot easier to join. Anyway.

We were nowhere near the largest group on field.
We didn't "take the kill for ourselves". We killed the Titan because nobody else did. All the other fleets retreated, so what were our options at that point? We started to attack the Titan, and invited people to come back to try to get the killing blow. Which is something that is pretty much random, there's no way to guarantee it. There were still ~1200-1400 people in local at this point.

We certainly didn't know about it weeks ahead. As far as I know, very few people reshipped without warping off. It's difficult to reship from a carrier with tidi that bad, and it's very risky to try it as often you'll be nowhere near the carrier and in an expensive pod.

I would like to hear a reasonable suggestion of what should have been done differently.

Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting.

I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc

Posted with wrong account? :O

Nope ... this is my main account, I do have a 150M+ SP toon who I use if I want to do stuff in eve but for me personally the game is more for to comment on and be a part of the community than it is to play, hence what I do and how I do it

The dude asked if Iwantisk plays and you responded with "I don't but"...

As if you were IWantISK...

I dont blame IWANTISK for not paying the defense fleet player that got the final blow. However, You could have gone down the list to the top damage guy who was not in the defense fleet and paid him. For not thinking of alternative solutions to make one very happy pilot in the game. Iwantisk, this is for you http://a1.img.mobypicture.com/811000ac3d7fa3d7c2b556ddd989b4b6_view.jpg , you have earned it.

In the early hours of this morning I was served with the ultimatum to apologize publicly or lose the I Want Isk sponsorship for #EVE_NT. I could but wonGÇÖt post the related chat log as I do not think it would be appropriate.

As I refuse to publicly (or privately) apologize for what was a successful in-game event all participation by I Want Isk has now officially been removed.

There is the matter of 100 billion isk that has been sent to me as part of the prize fund for #EVE_NT that has been requested back from I Want Isk. My conversation this morning ended with me explaining I will consider this, however I am in no position until later tonight (I am at work) to send this back. I Want Isk have therefore taken the stance that I have refused to send back this isk.

This is simply not true, but as they have already slandered my name regardless; now I do refuse to send back the isk. It doesnGÇÖt feel right to use this isk as prizes at #EVE_NT as it would still be related to I Want Isk and that just doesnGÇÖt seem appropriate. I will not be keeping this for myself; instead I have sent it to Chribba to hold on to until the next PLEX-for-good campaign and I will donate the full amount to charity.

I love everyone =] <3
I am upset. I will express how I feel.
Sorry you don't like it.
No insults are being exchanged.

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Posting to confirm that I have received the 100b and will be held and kept for use at a future PLEX for Good event held by CCP.

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Wow, Chribba knowingly and willingly accepted ISK you knew didn't belong to the person giving it to him? Well, I'll never be using or recommending you as a 3rd party again. Your entire job as a 3rd party service in EVE is to hold other peoples money and make sure it goes to where it belongs. You've failed this time.

Edit: But yeah, at least it's going to a good cause, even though I Want Isk should have been the ones to make that call.

IWANTISK gave Nashh 100b to be used at EVE_NT for prizes. After the event IWANTISK asked for the ISK back and Nashh said he would give it back when he got home from work. That was not fast enough for IWANTISK who had a spergfit and made a post and claimed that Nashh was refusing to return the ISK. Because of IWANTISK acting like a child Nashh decided to not give the ISK back but rather give it to Chribba to be saved for Plex for Good rather then keep it for him self or use it for prizes at an event IWANTISK no longer supported.

At least that is my understanding of the event.

So stop acting like a child, Chribba is doing his job as a third party just as intended. Nothing was stolen and from a legal standpoint all the ISK belongs to CCP anyway.

You're welcome to opinion, but I personally will not ever use Chribba again, nor will I recommend anyone to Chribba because his actions in this situation make him untrustworthy in my eyes. I'm sure he doesn't care, but that's perfectly fine with me.

The prize originally was intended for the final blow on the titan.
The final blow went to the defense fleet.

The defense fleet had a major logistical advantage and intel around the solar system.
The defense fleet was not against everyone else. It was a free for all. After all, not blue, shoot it.

The outcome of the defense fleet would not have been the same if it had been anyone else, because then that group would not have had the advantage that the defense fleet had. We actually would have liked to see a group hijack the titan and hold it till they decided to kill it which is likely to happen.

In the end, the defense fleet that WAS organized by Nassh got the final blow on the titan.
The defense fleet has been connected to Nassh.

The defense fleet knew 48 hours before everyone else where the titan would be located.

The defense fleet set up an impenetrable barrier that never engaged more than 250 people at once, even though there were 1700 people in local. (a defense barrier of reported 230+ members)

The final blow was the only condition for winning. This caused us to change the giveaways to top damage.

This is why we concluded with still sponsoring the live event (as we have bankers that will be there to do the giveaways of the rest of the ISK) but no longer sponsoring in-game events with this third party.

The sanctity of competition was compromised.

Don't start another drama here, you bloody drama queens. Chribba is here to be a 3rd party, not to change deals; if he were to give the isk back to IWI, he would lose all of his credibility. Jesus, people, get out of your smart pants and stop making the community ****, you're just sad.

So the defence fleet was to good at defending a Titan that all of EVE could have come and shoot at?

Dam you should give them a prize for doing their job correctly.



Ok so now you changing the rules of the even after the event? This just does not sit well with me at all. The rules where simple. Last hit get prize. You cant change the rules after the event. You are breaking the contract you setup before the event.

You cant be sponsor and then judge the contest not to your liking after the event has been done and then change the outcome of the prize to your liking... I smell a bit of I give you the ISk and you give me 50% back deal going on here. Last hit gets the prize. You owe the person with the last hit ISK.



Hell If I was Nashh and you pulled stuff like this I would ask you to not attend at all. Who says that you wount change your mind mid event with the prizes you giving away on the day because you simply felt like the wrong person won.

You seemed to miss the entire point here; The defense fleet was contracted by Nash to protect the Titan, they had a tactical advantage to the event as they knew where the Titan would be and had time to setup for the event in said system upwards of 48 hours prior to the events start. They knew they didn't deserve the prize, and Nash admitted such right on the EVE Radio stream himself.

I Want Isk didn't just randomly change the rules, he adjusted them to allow someone who wasn't part of the event to win AFTER talking to Nash and finding out the defense fleet is who got the last hit. It wasn't fair to give it to the team who were basically involved with the event, but it also wasn't fair to just give the reward to nobody -- so it was given to the only other practical person; the one with the most damage, who thankfully wasn't involved with the Titan's defense.

This is also in response to Dark Flare as your replies were basically the same;

No, I don't think Chribba should have just given the ISK back to I Want Isk because he thought it was the right thing to do, I just don't think he should have touched the money at all since he knew where it came from and the circumstances around it, from what I was told.

I often hear people refer to EVE as "life" in a sense that, the way the game is designed and played, is somewhat like life due to the player and corporation run economy. And much like life, possession of stolen goods is just as illegal as stealing them. Do you know what happens when a politician knowingly and willingly accepts campaign contributions from criminals? They don't get elected, because our trust is in the politician, not the criminal, and we set different standards for the two.

Obviously this isn't life and for the most part, nobody really cares, especially when it's someone as notable as Chribba involved -- but I feel the exact opposite for that reason. Chribba and I Want Isk are two of the biggest corporate entities in EVE and therefor require different standards than everybody else.

But, to be fair, Chribba did say he would return the ISK if Nash agreed to do so which is a step in the right direction. Although I do think he should have said that in his first post when he acknowledged receiving the money, not after he was called out for shady actions.


I guess my question is now, will Nash do the right thing here?

Everyone has scammed isk in their eve If Chribba didn't want to take it Nash could just send 100b of his own isk and keep the iwantisk money. Makes no difference.

Speak for yourself. Some of us don't find fun in stealing other peoples hard earned isk. And there is a difference, Nash himself said on the stream he knew it wasn't his ISK to keep, and that it wouldn't be right to give the isk out at EVE_NT anymore, but he still felt it was right to give it to Chribba instead of the person who it belonged to. It's not the isk that's the problem, it's the principal.

As I said in my previous post, Chribba offered to return it if Nash agreed, so let's see if he's willing to put his pride aside and do the right thing now.

What you [Eric] said to my reply was basically the gist of it.
I hope everything gets resolved eventually as I really dislike all of the drama. I play games to get away from it, not be involved with it lol. I just came in this thread because of the ISK that was basically stolen from I Want Isk, and 'held' by someone who's supposed to be the most reputable guy in EVE.

Just wanna add my view of this situation.

Bringing a defense fleet by the host was fine and was a very smart move to be honest in order to create content for the rest of the participants so kudos for that idea. However it should have stayed a defensive fleet, if the titan HAD to be destroyed then the defense fleet should have just backed off and let the other participants destroy it. By being in the defensive fleet you should have been automatically disqualified doing any significant damage to the objective you were protecting. If there was no need for that titan to be destroyed the event could have been postponed to a later date so people now knowing there would be a defensive fleet could come more organized. Cause lets be honest that was the real case of why the defensive fleet was able to withstand even after being pitted versus such "odds". It has been proven throughout the history that a smaller but better organized, equipped, trained and not to mention seasoned army would delete a larger army that is opposite in all of those qualities, not to mention it was a free for all and not attacking vs defensive fleet. That would have been a much better way of promo and nash would come out as a great host.

But that was not the case. From my point of view Nash as the host took advantage of the rules not being specific enough, that was maybe due to the lack of knowledge or experience or just too much trust into the hostee. He did not break the rules, but he did turn out to be a bad host, which is not to be much of a surprise considering we are talking about Eve, where morally sound, honest and fair people are a rare occurrence, almost as rare as unicorns.

Nash made a plan with shadow cartel to create content and "fun" for them, if you can call fun doing something that requires as much thought as pressing F1 on an asteroid cause that's how much of a risk were the "attackers". They filled up their kb and wallets cause I for one can presume that those 100bil didn't even go to cherubim or w/e his name is and then stayed with him to be used for that charity event, cause well 100bil will be a hell of a lot plexes or other prizes to give out and an obvious spike should occur. The reasoning behind that is if he is playing that role of a 3rd party not guided by any morals but just currency then nothing should come as a surprise.

In conclusion I support IWI for denying to fulfill their end of the contract even though Nash technically didn't break any rules given by the contractor he still did take advantage of that in the bad way and thus betrayed the mindset and the idea behind the event. There is little they can do but deny having any involvement with those parties and continue forward trying out new ideas and hosts to promote themselves.

Best regards

Capt Sephiroth

P.S. I was quite saddened by the fact that an alliance I had such high regard and respect for being involved in such low blows and dirty tricks to create content for their members

If what you say is true, then why did Nash give the ISK away to Chribba instead of keeping it, for all of his hard work advertising the event? Because he knew it wasn't right to keep it. He said it so himself, live on EVE Radio.

Besides, I can assure you that I Want Isk did the majority of the advertising for this event, not Nash.

No, he didn't keep it to use as rewards because of the relationship breakdown between IWantISK and Nash. He would have been perfectly fine keeping it for himself, but out of respect donated it to charity. I can't believe you're trying to turn that into a bad thing.

In future I'll give you a call to find out how many attacking ships we're allowed to destroy before we have to let them kill the titan yeah? For the full four hours we were fighting. There was no opportunity to "just back off" without losing a significant portion of our fleet. At no point did we want the ISK prize, nor did we expect it. The complaints are entirely about the fact that IWantISK has called Nash untrustworthy when he hasn't done a single untrustworthy thing.

You talking about having no opportunity to "just back off" would maybe have some sense if there was no video of the event that clearly shows what the situation was at the end before the call to destroy the Titan came in. And even if you did lose anything which I highly doubt, you would surely be compensated from that 100bil that nash had not to mention that you would be there to provide content for the rest of the pilots, not yourselves. That sentence of yours has absolutely no weight for an excuse.

Of course you weren't there for the ISK prize, nor did you expect it when you knew that it would turn out this way, that they would back off from the rest of the funding, you might have done an immoral thing but you are not dumb, you expected it.

Now on to your other post.

Yeah he "donated" it to a person that took the role of a no morals just $$$ and his own interest for the sole purpose of trying to repair image and poor try of damage control to make Nash look more of a victim. We all know what those people are like, he is no different than the scamers that "double" your isk in all the major hubs, just a bit more sophisticated. If the event isn't done by CCP then there is no reason to believe that it wasn't rigged in one way or the other.

Aw my... I won't even bother commenting on that 1st sentence.

Yeah, you saying it makes it true.

Knowingly being part of something immoral makes you immoral as well.

As for the last paragraph... Wait what? Of course they demanded it back when they didn't get the service you paid for. Its like you demanding your money back from the provider that you left a broken TV at to be repaired and paid for it only to find out when you got it back that it is not in fully working order, meaning you did not get what you paid for. I'm guessing when and if that ever happens to you you will just accept it and not do or say anything? Good man.

pft Prot you ruined everything... :(

*Hat tip

Just doing the job, sir.

Hey I heard the stream as well and iwantisk was also mad at the fact that Nassh was completely surprised by why iwantisk being upset at how things happened. At first there was no request for an apology but the confusion in forums forced iwantisk to ask for this apology.

The fact that Nassh was unable to understand why iwantisk was upset made iwantisk lose trust in Nassh's ability in giving out prizes.

Do your research while also being unbiased.

Someone being ambushed and not understanding why is no justification for pulling the plug on a RL community event. Your supposed bridge between "Surprise" and "Trust" is a leap that not even Carl Lewis could make.

On this subject I'm as biased as you could get. Any indications that I am REMOTELY unbiased on anything should be taken as falsehood and tinfoil.

English is your second language I take it. That's fine, this is an international game. So let me break it down for you:

I

AM

NOT

UNBIASED

...in anything I publish - be it blogs or podcasts. Ask anyone. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya where my boot kicked ya.

You're being awfully apologetic for IWantISK. It's amusing. Believe me, IWantISK has already lost accounts from this and when I'm done, they'll lose A LOT more.



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YOU ARE BIASED.
not unbiased.
I take it thinking is not your first language.

If you did not listen to both interviews on GRN Eve Radio then please do so before inserting your foot deeper into your mouth.

Fact - The defense fleet (regardless of whether it was organized or not) held the field. Everyone was invited back to get in on kill because the titan HAD to die. It was by happenstance that someone on the defense fleet got the final blow.

Fact - It was conceded by IWantISK that Nashh NEVER intended to give the 20 bil to the final blow since it happened to come from someone in the defense fleet. So for those crying about it, shut up.

Fact - It was further conceded by IWantISK that Nashh offered up the 20 bil to the top damage dealer instead. Nashh NEVER indicated that the ISK was awarded to the defense fleet member. The notion that it was IWantISK's idea to change the awarded party indicates you did not listen to the interview on the BC Show.

Fact - Bobmon ran with the half-baked story because he was in comms when Nashh was ambushed by seven members of IWantISK's staff / board. Despite the fact that there were NO accusations made of purposeful misconduct at the time, Bobmon took his tabloid title for the article to drive traffic to his site.

Fact - By IWantISK's own admission, they concluded that Nashh did not intend to corrupt the event. The reason they pulled sonsorship of #Eve_nt was because Nashh refused to bend over and apologize for the killing blow fiasco despite putting on a successful event otherwise.

You can disagree with how the remaining ISK was given to Chribba if you want to, but the fact remains that if I would have been treated the way Nashh (A WELL KNOWN AND TRUSTED CONTENT CREATOR TO THIS GAME) was treated by some elitist jerk sitting on a pile of space pixel money, Id've taken that 100bil ISK and converted it to PLEX in the cargo hold of the nearest Atron in Jita and let the chips fall where they may. Nobody deserves that kind of disrespect and you who are swallowing EN24's drivel are complete gullible tools. If you believe IWantISK are the victims here, then you clearly are what's wrong with this community.

There has not been ONE person that was directly involved with the organizing of the event, it's sponsor, nor Bobmon himself (who still has not printed a retraction of the title of the related article) that there was ANY intentional effort to undermine this event.

Now instead of trying to drive a content creator out of the game (because it's easier to **** on somebody rather than create the content for yourselves) how about you actually stop shitposting about it like it was YOUR isk. It wasn't. The top damage dealer got the ISK and this was acceptable to all parties (Including the defense fleet). Nashh offered up 20 bil of his OWN ISK in order to appease the situation.

Further attempts at trying to scandalize this event and drop a drama cyno because you want to rage about something only shows that you either DON'T have all the information or are choosing not to listen to facts. The event is done. Now go find something else important to rage about.

YOU ARE BIASED.
not unbiased.
I take it thinking is not your first language.

First I don't believe IWantISK were the victims....nor anyone for that matter. I think that IWantISK was upset because the players were not the ones that really took down the titan.

Also, the defense fleet was a great idea and that wasn't the problem. The problem (from what I have heard) was that the defense fleet held the field after 7-8 hours of people trying to kill the titan. After like hour 4 or 5, they should have stopped shooting people and said that if people could break the tank, they can kill the titan.

And my last tidbit is, if you are a 'trusted' content generator, then you don't keep ISK if someone drops your sponsorship because they didn't like how you performed. Good practice is to return it and learn from whatever mistakes were made and work to do a better job next time. Giving that ISK to a competitor, who will use it to promote their own advertisement events is even more of a problem and further takes away from the 'trusted' content generator bit.

tl;dr
More communication should have happened, Nashh should have had his fleet back off a bit after a good fight, and he should not have given ISK that wasn't his to a competitor of the peeps that sponsored him.

my 2 cents

What Lenny Kravtiz2 said is exactly why I got involved with this topic. I also don't really give a **** about how the event was handled, as both sides made mistakes. However, Nash, being a trusted (lol?) host for EVE means he does NOT get to make stupid, butthurt judgement calls like giving away sponsored ISK just because he was pissed off and didn't want to return it to the sponsor.

We get it. Nash was upset and felt cornered. But that doesn't change a damn thing. The ties were severed, the event was over, the drama would have died down -- then Nash blew the top off the entire thing by not returning the ISK he was given IN EXCESS OF THE TITAN'S COST back to the sponsor.

Nash screwed up, big time. I will make it my mission in this game to let everyone know about his theft unless he returns the ISK.

Will someone please translate what "not unbiased" means.

Not unbiased means I am biased.

You've proven your incompetence.

You're arguing with yourself, dude. Just stop. You're giving your website a worse name than it already has.

So you're biased.
Learn to be unbiased before posting information.

So you're biased.
Learn to be unbiased before posting information.

I don't have to be unbiased you half-witted, tryhard shitstain. I run an opinion site. I respect Nashh Kadavr. I know the facts based on the swill you put out there. Don't presume to tell me how to present facts, Eep. You don't have to be unbiased to present facts when they're confirmed by all involved.

You never denied any of it. Just your tryhard argument of how "Trust" somehow equates to taking a s**t on the community and one of it's organizers. So come off the alt and defend your ego if it means that much to you. Facts are, you've lost the community's support on your "hollier than thou" crusade and will continue to receive backlash long after Eve Nottingham is done.

Oh, and has anyone taken a look at http://www.eve-bet.com ? Great people over there!

You're slow my friend. From the beginning I said you were being biased. Regardless of what your profession (of being unjustly biased) is, I was right to guess you were biased..

If by "butthurt" judgement calls you mean making a decision based on being harassed on comms, besmirched on EN24, and subsequently harassed via text to give money back that he had no written or verbal agreement to do so, then you put a price tag on your pride and decide how much it's worth.

Personally, I admire that the money went to Chribba instead of my alternative. IWantISK just learned a 100bil ISK lesson. Again, agree with it or not, that judgement wasn't ours to make. It became personal so as a result, a decision was made that both satisfied Nashh's need to wash his hands of it, and still put the ISK to good use without having to claim anything to IWantISK.

Show me an agreement that was made and I'll support your opinion about returning the ISK. Until then, it wasn't theft.

From everything that I had read, EN24 ran with the news before the coms bit was even done. So we can safely assume that I Want Isk had nothing to do with the article.

Also, your comment about you admire that the money went to Chribba completely throws off your whole Nashh is a trusted content event coordinator. Essentially everyone else that isn't bro's with Nashh won't trust him with their isk becuase if he doesn't do the job they thought he would and they get upset with it, he will keep their isk or give it to their competitor.

There is no 100 billion isk lesson to be learned here. This wasn't a situation where a no named person told I Want Isk to trust them to put on an event and then they took off with the Isk. This was a known and 'trusted' individual who was provided fundings to hold an event, the sponsor didn't like how things turned out and after talking about it decided to pull the sponsorship and give the players that participated the rest of the Isk.

Nashh could have washed his hands and boosted his PR by just giving the Isk back so that the players that participated could get more Isk. Also, if he had kept a cool head about it, he could have saved the sponsorship or at least regained it at a later date. Instead he gave it to a competitor....which in his line of work is probably the dumbest thing he could do.

Mistakes happen and I am sure that both sides screwed up. Add to this getting blown out of proportion and egos being bruised, you have a fail cascade. The sponsor is the client, Nashh's job was to make the client happy. If the client didn't like his work, all he had to do was accept that and see what he could do to fix it.

I Want Isk probably overreacted to the situation. From what I had heard, people had a blast... so we know the event wasnt all that messed up. I just think that I Want Isk wanted to make sure that the participants of the event (not the host or those that were helping him), gained as much as they could (both fun and Isk).

If you consider that point of view, you can see how this situation got messed up far more then it should when Nashh refused to give the rest of the Isk back.

Bottom line: That isk was meant for the I Want Isk event and those that participated NOT Chribba or his events. Nashh can no longer be considered trusted now and there is no sense in defending him.