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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.17 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tabius on 17/10/2003 04:13:57
Please don't post instructions on how to do it!
-Jehova
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nono
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Posted - 2003.10.17 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tabius on 17/10/2003 04:13:57
You realize you just made it happen. Every griefer now has a new toy to play with.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.10.17 04:38:00 -
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yes he realizes it. ur a tool. thats why he mentioned it like 20 times in his post.
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.17 04:44:00 -
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yes he realizes it. ur a tool. thats why he mentioned it like 20 times in his post.
20 times??? sheesh, I was Waaaaaaaaaayyy more subtle than that.... but mostly, I just want it fixed...
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Zinke
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Posted - 2003.10.17 06:08:00 -
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This is good way to get things done.
You found a bug or exploit and you pubicly expose it so that CCP can jump onto it and fix the problem.
Keep up good work.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.10.17 06:09:00 -
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This is good way to get things done.
You found a bug or exploit and you pubicly expose it so that CCP can jump onto it and fix the problem.
Keep up good work.
Actually that's totally wrong.
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.17 06:17:00 -
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it IS totally wrong.... I've been reporting bugs in the market for months now....
so far it's stayed broke. There are so many ways to use the market bugs to grief that if someone wanted to, they could start up a alt-char and completely close down an entire regional marketplace... it simply drives me nutz that CCP seems to be puting more effort in this championship that seems to effect nothing, rather than even acknowledging the problems with the market that affects everything.
please... just say "we know and we're working on it..."
PLEASE!
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Bargler
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Posted - 2003.10.17 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bargler on 17/10/2003 06:47:54
So shut down the market for a day as you suggest.
Maybe that will inconvenience a mega-corp or two, and then CCP will be quick to fix it.
Roleplay it. Hold the market ransom and maybe they won't ban you.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.17 09:34:00 -
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In order to put up a buy order, you (at the time you put up the order) have to have the money in your wallet.
So don't expect to see 'lots of ppl' putting up 500M buy orders on everything in order to grief....
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Li ShangYin
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Posted - 2003.10.17 09:40:00 -
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It's not like 500m is much though Tornsoul... btw what was the site for the betting???
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Georg
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Posted - 2003.10.17 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Georg on 17/10/2003 11:47:28
This problem isn't just caused by people running out of money. It can also happen I think when people put buy orders up with a minimum quantity. Their price shows as the highest but you are given no idea of what they have set their minumu quantity to. Try and sell them less at that price and it will just wind up creating a sell order for you instead.
The way round this is sell orders at buy order prices. Do that and the valid buy orders will fill. Shift the price down and so will that next layer. You don't have to use quick sell.
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Anderi Bourdieu
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Posted - 2003.10.17 12:05:00 -
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Georg is right see this:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=38028#1
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2003.10.17 12:21:00 -
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Neither nor. Georg is right - and the market is admittedly a little more complex than the tutorial suggest.
And since the buy order placed last at any given price is filled before the buy order placed first at that same price, you might just have to wait for someone to place a new buy order at the price you want or use sell orders to begin with.
JP Beauregard
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.10.17 12:50:00 -
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It's already happening everywhere, seling minerals through the market is pretty useless atm.
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.17 13:03:00 -
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Ok idea here, add in Advanced Market tab and in the sell window, a "minimum volume" section. you can see it in the advanced market tab, but if you do a quick-sell it'll only recgognize the best price for the volume you have in that station.
Yes, i'm going to post this in idea section straight away :D
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babyblue
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Posted - 2003.10.17 13:13:00 -
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Speaking of market weirdness (although I didn't see the original post on this thread), I was told selling my Trit for 1isk per item was below market average of 66 when I tried a quick-sell! So I setup a sell order for each unit at 66! Will find out when I get home if NPC corps bought it - no idea what thats all about!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.17 13:34:00 -
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Speaking of market weirdness (although I didn't see the original post on this thread), I was told selling my Trit for 1isk per item was below market average of 66 when I tried a quick-sell! So I setup a sell order for each unit at 66! Will find out when I get home if NPC corps bought it - no idea what thats all about!
Nobody will have bought it. The average prices are a mean average, so one person placing a sell order for 1 trit at 500,000,000ISK will wreck the average completely.
Tritanium sells for 1. Never more, never less. Unless someone is really desperate for huge quantities, and offers one point something, but those deals aren't on the market.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:01:00 -
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Why would someone have placed such huge values on trit purchase orders?
I consider myself a n00b having been out of the game since just after beta. I wasn't sure about prices, given that high end minerals prices have gone through the roof and also because I was seriously ripped off in beta buy quick-sell scammers placing dodgy buy orders!
Well, I thought it was odd anyway!
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Wodka
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:11:00 -
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so is this the same as i saw this morning???
some1 put up a sell order for a cybernetic implant with a quantity of 0!
a very good way to lower the price of implants they should fix it right away
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tabius on 17/10/2003 15:22:07
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Edited by: Tabius on 17/10/2003 04:13:57
Please don't post instructions on how to do it!
-Jehova
I apologize for posting to much information, but so far CCP hasn't even recognized this as a bug or exploit. How can it be wrong to talk about something that (so far) you seem to consider a feature??
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:25:00 -
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Tritanium sells for 1. Never more, never less. Unless someone is really desperate for huge quantities, and offers one point something, but those deals aren't on the market.
Funny I sell mine at 25...
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Qandor
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:12:00 -
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In order to put up a buy order, you (at the time you put up the order) have to have the money in your wallet.
So don't expect to see 'lots of ppl' putting up 500M buy orders on everything in order to grief....
Yes you do need the money to place a huge buy order but having 500 million isk will allow you to place a thousand 500 million isk buy orders if you had the mind to. The check only occurs against your wallet for the current order you are posting. It does not take into account your previous orders placed.
The fact remains that someone who understands the market well could bring the ENTIRE mineral market to a screeching halt in a days time if that was their desire. This has been an issue for quite some time now and CCP has chosen to ignore the problem. Let's just hope that no one with an understanding of the market gets ****ed enough to grief in this fashion. The only way it could be stopped if it was done would be by direct intervention from CCP.
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Gimboid
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:27:00 -
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Whiners get 1 point for something original, complaing about some "exploit" that "might" happen, and that someone "could" do.
But erm, I dont see the market coming to a standstill? why not let them fix this problem when it ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
and for now, let them spend their time working on the bugs we experiance every day!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:30:00 -
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I can't remember the last time I used the market to buy/sell anything but when I eventually did I was trying to buy ECM Multipsectrals.
There were none available in Genesis, Tash-Murkon, and several other regions for less than 600k per module.
I'm all for market power but I have a feeling that particular pricing strategy was more griefing than trying to corner a market.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:32:00 -
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I'm still waiting for Sinister to declare this legit warfare tactics and setting the ball in motion in Khanid, getting it back in Curse, avenging themselves in Stain, who then see no alternative but to do it to Fountain and blame Curse... 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:33:00 -
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Well, at the moment, it seems Sinister are having to spend time trying to make money on the market to replace the lost ships.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:38:00 -
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Whiners get 1 point for something original, complaing about some "exploit" that "might" happen, and that someone "could" do.
But erm, I dont see the market coming to a standstill? why not let them fix this problem when it ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
and for now, let them spend their time working on the bugs we experiance every day!
jesus, do none of you understand prioritys?
as a miner and someone who uses the market extensively to make money, it's a higher priority for me that any combat issue....
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:37:00 -
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Speaking of market weirdness (although I didn't see the original post on this thread), I was told selling my Trit for 1isk per item was below market average of 66 when I tried a quick-sell! So I setup a sell order for each unit at 66! Will find out when I get home if NPC corps bought it - no idea what thats all about!
Nobody will have bought it. The average prices are a mean average, so one person placing a sell order for 1 trit at 500,000,000ISK will wreck the average completely.
Tritanium sells for 1. Never more, never less. Unless someone is really desperate for huge quantities, and offers one point something, but those deals aren't on the market.
Not quite correct, in some cases it can be sold for 2. (read: desperate buyer. Most likely chance of selling trit at 2 is to put up a sell order in the same station as an L3 agent - People will pay the extra cash to insta. But that won't happen in any large volume.)
Trit at 1.3-1.5 per unit in player-to-player trades is quite normal though.
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cball
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Posted - 2003.10.19 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tabius on 17/10/2003 15:22:07
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Edited by: Tabius on 17/10/2003 04:13:57
Please don't post instructions on how to do it!
-Jehova
I apologize for posting to much information, but so far CCP hasn't even recognized this as a bug or exploit. How can it be wrong to talk about something that (so far) you seem to consider a feature??
CCP nor GMs will call anything an exploit until either enough players cancel subscribtions due to it, or they have the "feature" patched to stop its abuse...(odd how an exploit is only an exploit after its patched...)
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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