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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:52:56 -
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Hey folks, its such a shame that the best drone boat currently in the game is a T1 battleship, namely the Dominix. Even the Navy Dominix is worse (as a pure drone boat). The only other ship I would call decent is the Rattlesnake, but that one is rather a hybrid.
Please bring some sort of more expansive (read better) T2 or faction drone boat to upgrade from the Dominix or rethink the skill boni on the Dominix Navy Issue to make it an actual upgrade from the Dominix.
Yay 10 years! :D
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
346
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Posted - 2014.12.05 02:08:55 -
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Haha!
Ahahahahahaha
ha...haha...ha...
Oh wait, you sounded somewhat serious there, but I can't fathom why.
Going against my better instincts I will reply:
Given the great place drones are in right now, you cannot be serious. Drones are probably in the best shape out of any weapon in Eve, currently. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
DARKNESS.
725
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Posted - 2014.12.05 02:11:12 -
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I'd love the navy domi to just be a domi with one more slot and a bit more fitting, but we don't need any substantial upgrade from the base domi, would get rather silly. |
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.12.05 02:46:58 -
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Call it...The Potato Mrk2 
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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
44
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Posted - 2014.12.05 03:23:30 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Going against my better instincts I will reply:
Given the great place drones are in right now, you cannot be serious. Drones are probably in the best shape out of any weapon in Eve, currently.
Maybe I should have made that clear from the beginning; drones are in good shape right now and the recent buffs actually kinda overcame the dated and basic AI of them. So I am not asking for a general buff on drones.
It would be just great if there were an upgrade option for a drone oriented character. Every other weapon in Eve has viable T2 or faction ships, that are an upgrade from their basic T1 entry ships.
Only with drones a Dominix at 180mil a hull is actually the end of the line with no further progression. To me that feels wrong and I believe there should be a viable upgrade option.
Like Anhenka said, an updated Navy Dominix with better stats/more slots and primarily drone bonuses would be great and nicely fill the hole.
Yay 10 years! :D
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2026
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Posted - 2014.12.05 03:37:34 -
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ishtar? carrier?
With the rebalancing of ships, many navy variants got a slight role difference to their T1 counterparts, making some T1 ships even better at that one particular thing they do.
honestly i prefer it this way and dont see a need for an even bigger better drone focused ship.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
1027
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Posted - 2014.12.05 07:13:01 -
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The Thanatos is what you want.
You can't use it in High sec? Well, that's too bad for you, because not everything the game offers is available in High sec. Go deeper into the game and use more content of the game. |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
45
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Posted - 2014.12.05 08:43:45 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:With the rebalancing of ships, many navy variants got a slight role difference to their T1 counterparts, making some T1 ships even better at that one particular thing they do.
honestly i prefer it this way and dont see a need for an even bigger better drone focused ship.
Then let me repeat myself; drones are the only weapon skill where you have no way to upgrade from a T1 battleship hull. With every other weapon skill Eve offers you a choice to invest more isk and therefore risk more to fly a ship more capable to get the job done.
Rivr Luzade wrote:The Thanatos is what you want.
You can't use it in High sec? Well, that's too bad for you, because not everything the game offers is available in High sec. Go deeper into the game and use more content of the game.
*yawn*
There we go again. Another dum**** trying to tell people how to play Eve. Dont you guys never tire of it? Eve is a sandbox and there are different types of players and quite frankly without meaningfull high sec gameplay I would have quit this game years ago. Actually I encourage CCP to remove high sec altogether and watch who will be left afterwards. That should be quite interesting and probably stop kids screaming nullsec all the time.
P.S. Not everyting is available in highsec, true, except for every other weapon skill there is a hull upgrade over T1. You might not like it or want to see it, but its still a fact.
Yay 10 years! :D
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
1030
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Posted - 2014.12.05 10:05:20 -
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I am not telling you how to play your game, that's totally up to you. I am just telling you that advanced tools/features/activities of the game are just not available for your area of space. And I never get tired of telling players and CCP that this ought to stay this way.
Quote:P.S. Not everyting is available in highsec, true, except for every other weapon skill there is a hull upgrade over T1. You might not like it or want to see it, but its still a fact.
The upgrade to my Abaddon is the Revelation, the upgrade to my Geddon is the Archon. I don't see either in High sec. Same goes for Mael/Naglfar, Raven/Phoenix, Hyperion+Megathron/Moros and for the kind of logistics Guardian+Augoror/Archon, Scimi+Scythe/Nidhoggur, etc. Some upgrades to previous levels are just to big to give them to children.  |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
45
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Posted - 2014.12.05 10:24:24 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:P.S. Not everyting is available in highsec, true, except for every other weapon skill there is a hull upgrade over T1. You might not like it or want to see it, but its still a fact. The upgrade to my Abaddon is the Revelation, the upgrade to my Geddon is the Archon. I don't see either in High sec. Same goes for Mael/Naglfar, Raven/Phoenix, Hyperion+Megathron/Moros and for the kind of logistics Guardian+Augoror/Archon, Scimi+Scythe/Nidhoggur, etc. Some upgrades to previous levels are just to big to give them to children.
If you are not willing to talk about facts and what is actually available in the game please stay away from this thread. I have no interest in feeding trolls. If you do not know enough about weapons in Eve and which hulls are best suited for them, I encourage you to check out EFT and make a quick comparison. You might notice there is a lot between T1 battleships and capitals for every weapon skill except Drones, where is actually nothing between Dominix and Thanatos.
Yay 10 years! :D
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
1031
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Posted - 2014.12.05 10:33:19 -
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Like? I don't see any better Laser platform between the Abaddon/Apoc and the Revelation on the T1 level, nor respectively for Projectiles, Hybrids or Missiles. There are T2 platforms (Marauders for the gun/launcher based hulls as well as the Sin for Drones), but no upgrade whatsoever on the T1 level. You see, I am often very interested in broadening my knowledge; henceforth, I am genuinely interested to learn which T1 platform is an upgrade for guns/launchers but not a capital, which drones lack. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
811
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Posted - 2014.12.05 10:41:02 -
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Only upgrade I want on the domi is the remodel so it isn't so damn ugly...then I might fly one :D
And the gila may well be the best drone boat in the game depending on your preferred combat/flight style... |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
344
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Posted - 2014.12.05 10:46:06 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Like? I don't see any better Laser platform between the Abaddon/Apoc and the Revelation on the T1 level, nor respectively for Projectiles, Hybrids or Missiles. There are T2 platforms (Marauders for the gun/launcher based hulls as well as the Sin for Drones), but no upgrade whatsoever on the T1 level. You see, I am often very interested in broadening my knowledge; henceforth, I am genuinely interested to learn which T1 platform is an upgrade for guns/launchers but not a capital, which drones lack.
Navy Apoc wants a word with you. Same bonuses, more tank and a grid to kill for. straight upgrade by moving out of the t1 category.
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Navy ships aren't because they are gun boats to differentiate from the mere T1 hulls. Pirate ships are for the most part also gun boats with big racial ewar bonus in order to differentiate from mere T1 hulls and Navy hulls.
uhm, theres a couple of pirate ships that want a word with you in the woodshed, eer cargo rig....
Like the machariel, with the triple bonus to projectile performance, and a role bonus for warp speed.
After that alphas something, lets look at the lovely rattlesnake, which fields 2 super bonused drones and a missile bonus, but no EWAR bonus.
And then to the nightmare, which is a pirate marauder which is only missing bastion to completely dominate everything forever.
And finally, the nestor, which is in bad shape, but definitely fields no EWAR bonus.
Of the pirate hulls, both the Rattlesnake and the nestor could easily be considered a major upgrade from the domi depending on usage and doctrine.
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Tineoidea Asanari
Heeresversuchsanstalt
The Bastion
25
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Posted - 2014.12.05 10:57:39 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Like? I don't see any better Laser platform between the Abaddon/Apoc and the Revelation on the T1 level, nor respectively for Projectiles, Hybrids or Missiles. There are T2 platforms (Marauders for the gun/launcher based hulls as well as the Sin for Drones), but no upgrade whatsoever on the T1 level. You see, I am often very interested in broadening my knowledge; henceforth, I am genuinely interested to learn which T1 platform is an upgrade for guns/launchers but not a capital, which drones lack.
The Apoc has the Navy Apoc which has alot more fitting ressources, better stats overall and a lowslot more. Abaddon, Mael, etc. dont have faction versions, but there are faction alternatives, that outperform them. The Sin is not a better droneboat than the Dominix/Ishtar.
Quote:The Rattlesnake is the best drone boat around and far superior than the Dominix, due to the HP bonus and damage bonus to drones. Add more to that and you get a ship that is so out of balance compared to other ships that it turns out next to impossible to balance properly.
I agree.
Drones are ridiculously overpowered in the current metagame and should not receive better hulls then there are currently. Maybe nerf Dominix/Ishtar and then buff the Navy Dominix... But the droneboats overall are already stronger vessels than most of the others. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
Unsettled.
180
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Posted - 2014.12.05 11:28:33 -
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Azure Moonlight wrote:Hey folks, its such a shame that the best drone boat currently in the game is a T1 battleship, namely the Dominix. Even the Navy Dominix is worse (as a pure drone boat). The only other ship I would call decent is the Rattlesnake, but that one is rather a hybrid.
Please bring some sort of more expansive (read better) T2 or faction drone boat to upgrade from the Dominix or rethink the skill boni on the Dominix Navy Issue to make it an actual upgrade from the Dominix.
Why do you need an upgrade if you already got the best?
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
1031
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Posted - 2014.12.05 12:09:50 -
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@James Baboli Fair enough points with the Navpoc and the pirate battleships. However, judging from his opening post and further elaborations, it seems to me that s/he desires something like the Rattlesnake, but with 5 super drones instead of only 2. A relatively unspectacular stats upgrade as the Navpoc has doesn't seem to be in her/his mind. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14098
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Posted - 2014.12.05 12:44:47 -
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So the OP is just going to ignore the sin, carriers and supers?
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
143
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Posted - 2014.12.05 12:45:01 -
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so a carrier then? (yea i didn't read the other posts but they're definatly asking for a carrier right?) |
Ersahi Kir
Froosh INC.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
396
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:38:30 -
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If a new navy domi was added that added that had the same bonuses as the T1 domi the only way it could possibly be balanced is with an additional high slot. Having a low slot for more tank/damage or another mid for more ewar would be bad.
As it stands now the domi is one of the strongest battleships in eve. It's one of the few ships that pulls off the generalist role without being trash. |
Ryd Berg
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.05 17:57:41 -
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I like the idea of a second set of marauders, these would use the secondary weapon sets of each race (or first weapon set for gal)
So I think it would be
amarr - drones
caldari - hybrids
minmatar - missles
gallente - drones, actually just move the kronos to the second set and have the drone using marauder as the original.
These ships wouldnt be very unique, just another choice for elite pve. If someone starts out training drones for lvl 4s, they get shafted when it comes to marauders. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
Unsettled.
187
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:39:32 -
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Ryd Berg wrote:I like the idea of a second set of marauders, these would use the secondary weapon sets of each race (or first weapon set for gal)
So I think it would be
amarr - drones
caldari - hybrids
minmatar - missles
gallente - drones, actually just move the kronos to the second set and have the drone using marauder as the original.
These ships wouldnt be very unique, just another choice for elite pve. If someone starts out training drones for lvl 4s, they get shafted when it comes to marauders.
Anyone who trains anything just to run lvl 4s is shafting himself |
Bl1SkR1N
Euphoria Released
Triumvirate.
50
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:43:44 -
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There is also rattlesnake if you want superior BS hull.
But honestly drones and their hulls need more tweaking before adding something more. Ishtar is still kinda ridiculous with no other hac being able to perform in ways it does for that price. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
826
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:49:27 -
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Azure Moonlight wrote:Hey folks, its such a shame that the best drone boat currently in the game is a T1 battleship, namely the Dominix. Even the Navy Dominix is worse (as a pure drone boat). The only other ship I would call decent is the Rattlesnake, but that one is rather a hybrid.
Please bring some sort of more expansive (read better) T2 or faction drone boat to upgrade from the Dominix or rethink the skill boni on the Dominix Navy Issue to make it an actual upgrade from the Dominix.
Exactly what are you looking for in terms of an upgrade/alternative that the Ishtar, Navy Vexor, 'Geddon, Sin, or Rattlesnake don't provide? Higher drone damage? Longer sentry drone range? More fitting/tank? Knowing these may make the discussion go a bit more smoothly.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2032
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Posted - 2014.12.05 23:40:31 -
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Azure Moonlight wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:With the rebalancing of ships, many navy variants got a slight role difference to their T1 counterparts, making some T1 ships even better at that one particular thing they do.
honestly i prefer it this way and dont see a need for an even bigger better drone focused ship. Then let me repeat myself; drones are the only weapon skill where you have no way to upgrade from a T1 battleship hull. With every other weapon skill Eve offers you a choice to invest more isk and therefore risk more to fly a ship more capable to get the job done.
That is the ishtar, sin, any carrier and even the navy domi and rattler fit that description to the letter.
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Meyr
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
366
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Posted - 2014.12.06 07:16:42 -
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I don't think asking for a pure drone-based pirate/navy hull, with Dominix bonuses, and maybe a tank bonus (good brawler candidate?) would be too upsetting to the current balance.
Not 'Super Drones', nothing more than what the Domi currently has, maybe with a slightly larger drone bay, possibly 25 or 50 m3, with 6 unbonused highs lots, just like now (unless you want to throw in a Logi bonus).
I would also LOVE to finally see an armor/missile (EoM anyone?) pirate faction brought into availability. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
347
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Posted - 2014.12.06 08:05:03 -
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Meyr wrote:I don't think asking for a pure drone-based pirate/navy hull, with Dominix bonuses, and maybe a tank bonus (good brawler candidate?) would be too upsetting to the current balance.
Not 'Super Drones', nothing more than what the Domi currently has, maybe with a slightly larger drone bay, possibly 25 or 50 m3, with 6 unbonused highs lots, just like now (unless you want to throw in a Logi bonus).
I would also LOVE to finally see an armor/missile (EoM anyone?) pirate faction brought into availability.
EOM is hybrids on amarr hulls last I checked.
Nestor is a slightly toned down domi with tank and RR bonus already, meaning they're a straight upgraded version of spider domis.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
347
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Posted - 2014.12.06 08:10:51 -
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Odd doublepost.
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Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2014.12.06 12:48:22 -
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The best drone ship in the game I'd say is a Thanatos which is a Carrier, or even a Rattlesnake.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235324 - there was a Navy ship 'balancing'. The thing is only the Fleet Tempest, Navy Raven and sometimes the Navy Armagedden. So the Navy Domi doesn't really balance up against the normal one Price wise well.
Drone ships aren't the only ships in EVE. Others can be much more effective for PVE than them.  |
Shivanthar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2014.12.06 12:58:55 -
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+1
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
550
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Posted - 2014.12.06 14:01:09 -
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There'd be an issue with this t2 drone maruader. CCP kind of nerfed snipe garde use. This would bring that back.
As the common maruader bonus is you know.....range (in bastion).
And fit depending domi can already tank. It was kind of the the reason out of wh areas got rat ago shift. Remember the good ole days of aft domi? Sure you do....drop in room, get all the aggro, release drones, walk away for minutes at a time and not die....
Now don't say change out its bonus. Slippery slope there...as golem pilots would be going they ccp, can we get a different bonus too? Since we can argue range bonus on cruiser golem is kind of a meh bonus. As cruise already has range. |
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