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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
563
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:35:39 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:XeX Znndstrup wrote:Be sure we will consider your valorous stance and your offer, Mr Epeen. What are the numbers behind we? Does not need to be exact, an approximation will do. Keep your honor, confirmed negative status capsuleer. The best number isn't the number of the beast.
Is it more than one?
Negative sec status is just a consequence of using a certain game mechanic to attack outlaws under the Code. It has nothing to do with being a "criminal". Don't be so short sighted and play EVE like good or bad is a given by the themepark setup in the background of the game. There is simply more to this game and player build goals are the only ones worth fighting for. If you can't break out of that themeparky perception of the game it will be your loss and you will miss the biggest fun you could ever have in this kind of game.
You can chose between:
A) Unbelievable killmails, big fleets with friends, buckets of tears from your enemies, action from login to logoff whenever you have time and the good feeling that you are part of the salvation of Highsec.
or
B) Become an anti-ganker like you plan to do and experience stuff like: Camping stations without success. Boredom. Camping gates without success. More boredom. Guarding ungrateful AFK miners without success. Extreme boredom. Toxic conversations in the anti-ganker channel about the failed operations and how CCP should make it easier for you. Facemelting boredom.
or
C) Do some PvE and become content for A
or
D) Leave Highsec and do something else where everyone shoots everyone anyway without causing a major panic on the forums.
The choice is yours.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Paranoid Loyd
2930
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:41:29 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Tellin' it like it is. The hilarity here is he lost his hauler in low sec.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
563
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:44:32 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:Pretty hard to "police" or really hunt down pirates in high sec. CCP welfare protection gives pirates plenty of cover.
To shoot a pirate whenever you feel comfortable and NPC Faction Police support if you don't manage to kill him after a few seconds is not good enough for you? And then you call that "welfare" in favor of the ganker?
I am sorry, but if the playing field is so stacked in your favor like it is in Highsec and your are still complaining then you may simply be a really really bad player. There is no other explanation in my opinion, nothing personal.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
353
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:51:33 -
[94] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If anyone thinks EVE's economy would work without destruction, I invite you to look at Archeage, where building a top tier Delphinad item takes (on average) 64 crafting attempts, each of which consumes well over 1000 labor points from crafting characters and many more from gatherers. If we assume it's a total of 120000 LP needed, that's about 100 days you need to remain subscribed.
Titans take less than half of that, and you can build thirty-three of them on one account at once.
But titan production cost is based upon them being a consumable, not a permanent, indestructible power upgrade.
Not sure I see the comparison. Imagine if your goal is to own 1 of every ship and 1 of every officer mod....how much isk would that take? Tens of trillions? More?
There will never be an end to demand for high end shiny stuff...and that is totally independent of destruction. We don't need destruction to fuel demand for goods...we just need people who enjoy amassing wealth. |
Torrent Talon
SPACE POLICE
Warp to Cyno.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.09 01:36:03 -
[95] - Quote
XeX Znndstrup wrote:It's the idea.
We vote for a CSM.
It could be interesting to vote for police members paid by the community to protect their diary life in space.
It could be interesting to vote for police members paid by the community to protect their diary life in space.
paid by the community to protect their diary life in space.
diary life in space.
fedos can be milked? |
Paranoid Loyd
2934
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Posted - 2014.12.09 01:41:29 -
[96] - Quote
Torrent Talon wrote:fedos can be milked? Anything with nipples can be milked.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2415
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Posted - 2014.12.09 10:32:07 -
[97] - Quote
Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If anyone thinks EVE's economy would work without destruction, I invite you to look at Archeage, where building a top tier Delphinad item takes (on average) 64 crafting attempts, each of which consumes well over 1000 labor points from crafting characters and many more from gatherers. If we assume it's a total of 120000 LP needed, that's about 100 days you need to remain subscribed.
Titans take less than half of that, and you can build thirty-three of them on one account at once.
But titan production cost is based upon them being a consumable, not a permanent, indestructible power upgrade. Not sure I see the comparison. Imagine if your goal is to own 1 of every ship and 1 of every officer mod....how much isk would that take? Tens of trillions? More? There will never be an end to demand for high end shiny stuff...and that is totally independent of destruction.
That kind of depends. If you exclude Titans and "priceless" ships (the ones that can't really be acquired), it actually wouldn't take too long to acquire everything. I am pretty sure I have at least one of each "regular" thing in the game now, excluding supercaps, and some hulls that I never use and therefore don't need (such as dreads). Same goes for modules, excluding officer gear specifically (deadspace is equivalent, and I have that all over my ships). Anything I lack, I could buy, and I definitely don't value myself at the "tens of trillions" level. And keep in mind, this is with constant expenditures and very little pve activity. The thing is, in the absence of destruction, not everyone would make it their goal to collect one of each thing. Some people would just "play the game," and of those, many would get bored. I've played other MMO-type games with "loss ceilings," and that's exactly what happened. At some point you simply lose your desire and motivation to keep going, because you have everything you need.
Veers Belvar wrote:We don't need destruction to fuel demand for goods...we just need people who enjoy amassing wealth.
Correct, but the one thing you forgot to mention is that this demographic would constantly have to be growing. The only way you can sustain an innovation-capped economy without destruction is to turn it into a pyramid scheme.
So sure, we can have a game like that; an economy-focused game that's constantly growing, and has no pvp or violence to get in the way of peoples' daily grind. But that game sounds very different from EVE. Should it have to be EVE? Why can't it be a different game?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.09 12:09:54 -
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We are seeing you.
We have been seeing you for eleven years.
We are reading your vision of the weak.
We offered the perfume of the weakness.
You appeared, unable to control your taste of blood.
You saw nothing more than a prey.
We gave a soft food and the wolves devoured.
Your appetite for destruction exceeds your understanding.
You will understand soon.
Let you hear the song.
Let you hear the first echoes of the brave heart pilots ready for the chorus.
Let you hear soon the drums of the punishment.
You are going to die, assassins.
Don't worry about this.
Read the lyrics.
Listen to the channel.
Open your eyes on the Bible.
The Law will be here soon to justify and work for your loss.
Assassins will be punished by The Law.
May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_ channel : connect and broadcast against criminality.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
915
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Posted - 2014.12.09 12:50:32 -
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Wat?
I don't understand you, but I think I should probably murder someone just to get the everliving derp out of my brain after reading your post.
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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
4474
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:12:14 -
[100] - Quote
Ignore it Omar.
Just NPC Corp players wanting to be relevant.
EDIT: Which is an ironic statement to make since I am currently in a NPC Corp, but there is a reason.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:00:27 -
[101] - Quote
You can also accept a new reality to come.
Embrace the new age.
But let 's stop words for actions now.
Act II is near.
Assassins will be punished by The Law.
May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_ channel : connect and broadcast against criminality.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
566
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:26:54 -
[102] - Quote
XeX Znndstrup wrote:You can also accept a new reality to come.
Embrace the new age.
But let 's stop words for actions now.
Act II is near.
I don't know man, every time you say stuff like that I check your killboard and there is only one loss of am hauler in lowsec. Come back when you actually did something.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
194
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:52:38 -
[103] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If anyone thinks EVE's economy would work without destruction, I invite you to look at Archeage, where building a top tier Delphinad item takes (on average) 64 crafting attempts, each of which consumes well over 1000 labor points from crafting characters and many more from gatherers. If we assume it's a total of 120000 LP needed, that's about 100 days you need to remain subscribed.
Titans take less than half of that, and you can build thirty-three of them on one account at once.
But titan production cost is based upon them being a consumable, not a permanent, indestructible power upgrade. Not sure I see the comparison. Imagine if your goal is to own 1 of every ship and 1 of every officer mod....how much isk would that take? Tens of trillions? More? There will never be an end to demand for high end shiny stuff...and that is totally independent of destruction. That kind of depends. If you exclude Titans and "priceless" ships (the ones that can't really be acquired), it actually wouldn't take too long to acquire everything. I am pretty sure I have at least one of each "regular" thing in the game now, excluding supercaps, and some hulls that I never use and therefore don't need (such as dreads). Same goes for modules, excluding officer gear specifically (deadspace is equivalent, and I have that all over my ships). Anything I lack, I could buy, and I definitely don't value myself at the "tens of trillions" level. And keep in mind, this is with constant expenditures and very little pve activity. The thing is, in the absence of destruction, not everyone would make it their goal to collect one of each thing. Some people would just "play the game," and of those, many would get bored. I've played other MMO-type games with "loss ceilings," and that's exactly what happened. At some point you simply lose your desire and motivation to keep going, because you have everything you need. Veers Belvar wrote:We don't need destruction to fuel demand for goods...we just need people who enjoy amassing wealth. Correct, but the one thing you forgot to mention is that this demographic would constantly have to be growing. The only way you can sustain an innovation-capped economy without destruction is to turn it into a pyramid scheme. So sure, we can have a game like that; an economy-focused game that's constantly growing, and has no pvp or violence to get in the way of peoples' daily grind. But that game sounds very different from EVE. Should it have to be EVE? Why can't it be a different game?
Rough math: Assuming someone earns 100m isk/hr and farms 10 hours a week, they will have 52 billion isk in a year. Enough to buy every(non special edition) subcap in the game with good fittings and some officer mods thrown in.
The limiting factor is actually going to be skill points. Training up all these ships and fittings will take much longer than a year. I suspect that instead the player(if for some reason he found this fun) will instead have a full line of very well fit ships with a bunch of isk in the bank just waiting for the next ship to be skilled up. |
Takashi Jin
Cryogenic Consultancy
6
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:12:39 -
[104] - Quote
Bethan Le Troix wrote:Various forms of this exist CODE being the most prominent.
code are mafia... not police. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
360
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Posted - 2014.12.10 03:55:59 -
[105] - Quote
Tear Jar wrote:
Rough math: Assuming someone earns 100m isk/hr and farms 10 hours a week, they will have 52 billion isk in a year. Enough to buy every(non special edition) subcap in the game with good fittings and some officer mods thrown in.
The limiting factor is actually going to be skill points. Training up all these ships and fittings will take much longer than a year. I suspect that instead the player(if for some reason he found this fun) will instead have a full line of very well fit ships with a bunch of isk in the bank just waiting for the next ship to be skilled up.
Meh...tend to think they would just buy characters with sp in different area to fly each ship. The high end officer modules are brutally expensive (estamel's anyone?) - and an officer fit titan can run into the hundreds of billions. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1066
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Posted - 2014.12.10 04:05:42 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Neat. Its this thread again!
There is nothing stopping you from hunting suspects and criminals. If you want to play policeman, do it in a Police Comet if that floats your boat and/or tickles thy pickle. You can tell them to pull over in local as well as maybe tell them to 'Freeze!', oh.. and don't forget to wear the big ass cop sunglasses, and maybe a throw on a lip caterpillar for good measure. Remember to ask them if they know why you pulled them over, or else the whole thing just loses something.
It is cute how you expect people to come up with new ideas and then chastise them when they don't.
Of course you could come up with some ideas yourself. But that might open you up to snarky comments from bitter vets.
OP, don't let the bastards get you down. EvE is driven by player created content, just be prepared to be criticized when you try to help out. especially if it involves changing...anything.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3286
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Posted - 2014.12.10 04:08:43 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:I believe the OP was looking for an internet spaceship police force. I'm not sure how a group of players that play video games for the purpose of upsetting other people who play video games fits that description. EVE is a competitive multiplayer sandbox game where people in spaceships shoot other people in spaceships. Losing is not always pleasant and some people get upset over it, this is completely natural. Our purpose as already mentioned is the enforcement of The Code and salvation of Higshec, nothing else. Please don't distract the OP and this thread with your unfounded allegations and maybe contribute something positive to the discussion. Thank you.
For me this thread ended right here.
The Code is the law.
I am the law.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
6167
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Posted - 2014.12.10 04:24:08 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:We are seeing you.
We have been seeing you for eleven years.
We are reading your vision of the weak.
We offered the perfume of the weakness.
You appeared, unable to control your taste of blood.
You saw nothing more than a prey.
We gave a soft food and the wolves devoured.
Your appetite for destruction exceeds your understanding.
You will understand soon.
Let you hear the song.
Let you hear the first echoes of the brave heart pilots ready for the chorus.
Let you hear soon the drums of the punishment.
You are going to die, assassins.
Don't worry about this.
Read the lyrics.
Listen to the channel.
Open your eyes on the Bible.
The Law will be here soon to justify and work for your loss.
We r anonemiss, we r lejin, we doo not fawgiv, we doo not fawget, ecspekt us?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:00:52 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:XeX Znndstrup wrote:You can also accept a new reality to come.
Embrace the new age.
But let 's stop words for actions now.
Act II is near. I don't know man, every time you say stuff like that I check your killboard and there is only one loss of am hauler in lowsec. Come back when you actually did something.
Peraphs you are not watching with the best eyes, confirmed negative status capsuleer.
Graal is not so easy to find.
The messenger is the messenger.
The guardians are the guardians.
Assassins have no honor nor rules.
We won't offer them the easiest way to come to light.
But let you come to your father. Your father in law.
Let you give him the kiss.
The kiss of death would be the more obvious for us.
To be condamned.
Assassins will be punished by The Law.
May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_ channel : connect and broadcast against criminality.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
923
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:49:43 -
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Okay. Now I'm sure of it. I definitely want some of what you are smoking.
Are you and yours going to actually do violence at some point, or is this a thread just going to be filled with a never ending stream of bad love poetry?
Just asking, because I'm absolutely pro violence. I'm still riding the fence on the poetry aspect. |
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Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
67
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:10:09 -
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While I think that any concept of PC policing is doomed to fail, there is one obvious place that it might work, at least for a short time: THERA
Any attempt to police HS is ultimately futile. Concord already do so and even when you try to step in to protect you risk becoming a target for Concord yourself (in certain situations). Moreover, Concord is a reactive rather than proactive force focused purely on punitive action rather than protection. Meanwhile, LS is far too big for any one group to try, while NS is already policed in a sense through sovereignty rights.
Thera might actually be possible. It's one system, albeit a massive one, with four stations that provide obvious places to 'protect' and scannable entry points. A police force in Thera could conceivably work. Concord isn't an issue as this is wormhole space, while there is no sovereignty. A corporation, e.g. Thera Law Protection (THELAW - lol) could (seek to) function out of the four stations and protect incoming and outgoing traffic from Thera.
They could take on contracts to protect specific freighters coming in to Thera from inc WH through to station docking and engage in bounty hunting those in Thera with a high enough bounty. The corporation would have to be 'neutral' and be allied to the SOE/Sanctuary faction to be consistent with the law. This might need the major Alliances to underpin the initiative (hard to achieve). They would also have to be scrupulously honest and even-handed building a reputation for providing a fair service (similar to Red Frog for transport contracts). One person from the corp who engages in 'illegal activity' would risk the overall reputation.
(I wouldn't recommend it quite yet though, not until the furore over Thera has quietened down and become 'part of the furniture'!)
Fly Caldari!
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.10 19:08:40 -
[112] - Quote
LS isn't fat too big to hunt the vicious.
He is in some systems with his brothers. He feels safe, too coward to assume his faults alone.
They will have no house where to hide.
Nor HS, Nor NS and nor LS.
There is no reason to let them think they are masters of systems everyone know the name.
Old Man Star will be a sheepfold when shepherds of The Law will spread the faith.
And assassins will be sheeps eating in our hand.
There was a time for chaos some years ago.
And the divine designer offered us the peace. CONCORD was created, implacable face the vileness.
We are his sons and the hands of flesh of CONCORD. But not so tender.
We want more than peace in HS.
And believers will come, and come again, understanding the undisputed attitude.
There will be no miner, no trader and no industrialist afraid because they only want to earn their life.
They will pray for this. They will help for this, discreetly.
Destroying is easy. Building less.
The Third Age of New Eden is coming.
Everyone will remember in the future it was called The Law.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law.
May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
*_The Law_ channel
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Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
8
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:57:45 -
[113] - Quote
I find these posts insulting. As I make my way down to -10 I have remembered my carebear roots and taken the time to honor and respect them. |
XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:41:56 -
[114] - Quote
Thanks for your visit on our channel.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
570
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:44:57 -
[115] - Quote
How is the rebellion going?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:59:28 -
[116] - Quote
Rebellion is only against dictatorship.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Saint Celeste
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:31:43 -
[117] - Quote
XeX Znndstrup wrote:Rebellion is only against dictatorship.
i like the idea of a PC driven honor bound police force, but this is eve, scams galore, why trust you over CODE, when people largely don't trust CODE i mean what is different about the two of you beside one has a false sense of security and the other a false sense of confidence in the field, why should people have to feel beholden to a moralistic approach to a game when it fails dismally in RL?
what i am saying is all good things become corrupt by power and as far as i see it your group will be no different in the long run [if it lasts that long]
that said i think it'll end in failure like many before have tried and failed. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
67
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Posted - 2014.12.14 00:14:29 -
[118] - Quote
Guys, if the OP is not trolling you should help him understand.
serious player police corps don't exist. Because it is not viable to do so.
The bounty system doesn't work like you think it does, it does not provide incentives to hunt down anyone. I don't need a bounty to shoot people, I do it with or without bounty. And putting bounty on someone is just a waste of money, because their ships will pop with or without your bounty anyways.
lol, how do you prosecute a bunch of suicide catalyst ganking a freighter?
It's a killboard statistics game the gankers are playing, it's all about ISK efficiency.
You can kill their catalyst however many times you want, end of the day, they won with superior statistics.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Bianca Silver
New Order Logistics
CODE.
793
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Posted - 2014.12.14 00:31:49 -
[119] - Quote
Chronoxi wrote:serious player police corps don't exist. Because it is not viable to do so.
I'm always serious.
Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all."
Minerbumping.com
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:05:16 -
[120] - Quote
Let's make a difference between the perfect vision of reality and the true reality.
The first helps the second to be better.
It's not possible to eradicate this rot at each moment.
That's very sad for us.
But don't let it be a reason for chaos.
Some speak about good roleplay, ISK or statistics.
We let you know you would find this also in the side of the righteous.
You speak about moral ? We speak about embodiment of moral by elimination.
The fair or the malignant, when he speaks, help us to understand what and how he wants.
We are grateful.
But, in any case, nothing is eternal, my brothers.
The world is black if you want it.
Or light if you fight for it.
It will take time.
But we have the time.
Some has been making their fortune for ten years using tools offered by this deep world.
We see, unscrupulous assassins, that you could be afraid we would be able to use the same time, the same tools, but to remove you as an unwanted dust.
You, who has hope, you who isn't so convinced by this way of leading or these "statistics", let you come and confess to us.
Let you give us the Church tax with your ships, your ISK or your will power.
You will see so the path of light.
We hear your peal of laughter.
The more, the merrier.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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