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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:40:08 -
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First, they stopped speaking to us, but for a final and not-entirely reassuring report following a Sansha invasion. Their ships GÇö once an occasional sight in New Eden GÇö have vanished; their offices at CONCORD HQ in Yulai, empty.
Then, a bright star appeared just outside their space, a star defying all laws of science and somehow visible to all the cluster at once.
Now, their entire stargate system ceases reporting.
This is the meaning of the bright star, the star that defied all laws of science GÇö God has called the Jove to Judgement. The verdict? Guilty. Guilty of the treachery of Vak'Atioth; guilty of the crimes of transhumanism and apotheosis GÇö trying to become as gods. The sentence? Eternity in hell.
Mark well, Empyreans GÇö this shall be your fate and the fate of all who either resist the Chosen of God or seek to become like gods.
P. S. Minmatar GÇö you're probably next. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
125
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:51:17 -
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Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones? |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
852
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:53:48 -
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See, the last non-insane Amarr I talked to said Vok'Aitoth was God's punishment for the Empire's hubris in thinking they could do no wrong. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
125
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:54:51 -
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At least that makes sense for the most part... |
Ritual Sacrifice
Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:56:56 -
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It Begins. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:17:51 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones?
Neither side was treacherous, because neither side had established treaties with the other.
It was a declaration of war. We were quite open and honest about our intentions.
In fact, the only treachery that happened was from our own fleet commanders during the battle.
As far as what happened to the Jove... well, I would not wish to delight in their destruction, if that is what has occurred. If it is, then we can only feel shame for our failure in Reclaiming them into God's light prior to their end. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1430
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:22:16 -
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Ritual Sacrifice wrote:It Begins.
Would that be the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end? Or the beginning of the beginning of the end or the beginning of the end of the beginning, and if so how does it end?
Think thats covered everything.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
240
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:27:22 -
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Nauplius wrote:First, they stopped speaking to us, but for a final and not-entirely reassuring report following a Sansha invasion. Their ships GÇö once an occasional sight in New Eden GÇö have vanished; their offices at CONCORD HQ in Yulai, empty.
Then, a bright star appeared just outside their space, a star defying all laws of science and somehow visible to all the cluster at once.
Now, their entire stargate system ceases reporting.
This is the meaning of the bright star, the star that defied all laws of science GÇö God has called the Jove to Judgement.
Well, much as it pains me to say it, even a stopped clock might be right twice a day. God's decision to elect vengeance and judgment is on his time scale not Ours, to those who point out Vak-Atioth was years ago. All the more reason not to be complacent with the saving of souls.
Samira Kernher wrote:
As far as what happened to the Jove... well, I would not wish to delight in their destruction, if that is what has occurred. If it is, then we can only feel shame for our failure in Reclaiming them into God's light prior to their end.
This is the true tragedy, if the Jove are indeed gone. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
661
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:36:19 -
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This is why the Empire must be destroyed!Oh wait, wrong thread. |
Eojek
Starlight Moly
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:37:02 -
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Dibs on the derilict Jovian mothership. |
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:39:26 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones? The pale ones did start it all in the first place, so no it doesn't.
Xindi Kraid wrote:See, the last non-insane Amarr I talked to said Vok'Aitoth was God's punishment for the Empire's hubris in thinking they could do no wrong. It would be interesting to know who are those non-insane Amarr are. |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:55:32 -
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This whole thing smelled very apocalyptic. I was wondering when you'd chime in, Mr Nauplius.
Seems it's made you happy though, and I guess that's a good thing. The girls were telling me you've been busy practicing the noble art of smiling.
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
My Wormhole Pron | The Endgame | Wormhole Diary
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
126
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Posted - 2014.12.09 21:22:14 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones? The pale ones did start it all in the first place, so no it doesn't.
Who declared war on who? |
Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
139
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Posted - 2014.12.09 21:25:10 -
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Something tells me they're not so much destroyed as keeping quite because so many capsules are sitting on their doorstep. May be the "If we keep quiet, maybe they'll think nobody's home and go away" trick.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4296
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:17:34 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: In fact, the only treachery that happened was from our own fleet commanders during the battle.
"Never Reinforce Defeat" - Battlesage #648
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:00:51 -
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Or maybe you are next, Mr. Nauplius?
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DeadRow
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
298
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:11:28 -
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I bet it was Revan.
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
411
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Posted - 2014.12.10 06:22:31 -
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If anything, I think the present events should call into question the fact that they ever lived in those regions to begin with. |
Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
15
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Posted - 2014.12.10 06:51:23 -
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I can definitaley see that Ignorance is bliss..
Go on kiddo.. you are in the right(!) way |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:55:49 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones? The pale ones did start it all in the first place, so no it doesn't. Who declared war on who? Whose pale derrieres got caught near the same restricted area where amarr high priests were murdered?
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
577
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:34:43 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:In fact, the only treachery that happened was from our own fleet commanders during the battle. The treachery continues to this day. The apathetic accept of loss and defeat is unacceptable. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
279
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:26:59 -
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I am somewhat surprised that a few people apparently suspect that the Jove ever existed or at least didn't exist in the space that most people thought they lived in.
I am not really able to canvas the entire historical record from where I set at this time; however, consider that before the treachery of Vak'Atioth, the Jove stargate system was actually connected to everyone else's and that contacts with Jove ships and Jove personnel in what we now call Empire space was GÇö while not frequent GÇö not a singular cause for shock and amazement, either. When the Amarr Empire launched its mercy fleet for the Reclaiming of the Jove, it wasn't just guessing at their location but knew where they were.
Now, after the treachery of Vak'Atioth, the Jove retreated from Geminate and whatever else they held in surrounding regions and severed their publicly reported stargates behind them. Still, Jove contact with the rest of the cluster remained at a non-zero level for some time through CONCORD, Jove-owned corporations, occasional sightings of ships, the odd joint project, and reporting of public station, stargate, and sovereignty data. Their all-but-total silence is a fairly recent phenomena GÇö which supports my assertion that God has destroyed them recently GÇö there is no need to get conspiratorial as to their historical existence and location. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
411
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:35:29 -
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I will assume you are addressing my comment, Nauplius.
I assure you, I am well aware of the history of the Jovian Empire in terms of it's interactions with the rest of the cluster, and I am certain they maintained at least some amount of infrastructure in and around what we have considered to be the extent of their sovereign space.
However, if we consider some long-established facts:
- No fleet of remotely appropriate size for an Empire of their size, age and technological development has ever been observed in New Eden. - Almost no one has been permitted access into Jovian Space proper, even during their more active period. - They are the creators of the Capsule, and thus were originally likely able to manipulate it's perceptions in a number of ways (for example, station and Gate data, etc)
Along with some fairly new ones:
- The generation of wormholes as a means of very long-range transport is seemingly possible, and, indeed, not much more advanced than what we are currently capable of. - There is fair evidence of connection between the Jovians and Sleepers. - Judging by the recent astrological events, there may be Sleeper settlements a mere handful of stars away from the established Jovian regions, and perhaps whole areas of the star cluster we are unaware of, but they surely would have been.
We must, though it may indeed be a little conspiratorial, consider the notion that the area of space we have thought to be the Jovian heartland may have been a mere backwater to them, or perhaps something occupied and closed off not out of isolationism, but perhaps a simple desire to prevent us from crossing over to the other side - To the source of the current Bright Star, and, as it seems, what we are now calling Thera. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
128
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:39:21 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones? The pale ones did start it all in the first place, so no it doesn't. Who declared war on who? Whose pale derrieres got caught near the same restricted area where amarr high priests were murdered?
Who amassed a fleet and flew it out of their own empire to conquer who?
And as far as them disappearing, the Jove being in a weakened state and Capsuleers seeming to be encroaching their borders, would it be surprising if they are fearful of another Battle of Val'Atioth happening and thus are trying to avoid it? |
VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
24
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:40:25 -
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They destroyed there gates long ago, ccp have only just removed the links |
Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
153
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Posted - 2014.12.10 18:00:42 -
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VTyx Soul wrote:They destroyed there gates long ago, ccp have only just removed the links Caldari Corn Paste dosen't have that authority.... CONCORD might though.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2014.12.11 05:17:46 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Wouldn't the Caldari be next? They are closest if I'm not mistaken. And how is it treachery if they were attacked by the Amar Empire at Vak'Atioth? Wouldn't that make the Amar empire the treacherous ones? The pale ones did start it all in the first place, so no it doesn't. Who declared war on who? Whose pale derrieres got caught near the same restricted area where amarr high priests were murdered? Who amassed a fleet and flew it out of their own empire to conquer who? If someone didn't get caught in restricted area near a mass murder there wouldn't be any kind of fleet at all. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
777
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Posted - 2014.12.11 13:00:22 -
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*appears and is seen slapping a display* Damn these quarters and this display. Only 1 channel and it has to be the Amarr Comedy Channel. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4298
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:12:04 -
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You get used to the Amarr Comedy Network after awhile. It's the most careful humour in the Cluster.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5105
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:55:07 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:If someone didn't get caught in restricted area near a mass murder there wouldn't be any kind of fleet at all. Here's the straight up truth that some Amarrians apparently can't handle.
All you have are suspicions - century old suspicions, at this point - that some Jove were in proximity to an area where some HIgh Priests were killed. Over this potentially imagined slight, you decided you were going to enslave their entire race, and so invaded their sovereign territory - territory that did not in any conceivable way belong to you - with a war fleet that had no other intention than to destroy Jovian assets. They responded with a fleet of their own and handed you a crushing, humiliating defeat after which you ran home with your tail between your legs - and then lost the Minmatar Republic in a spate of equally crushing, humiliating defeats.
Now, I don't personally believe your god exists, but if he does, by word of your scriptures he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. By definition, all things happen according to his will, and contrariwise nothing happens that he does not will. Therefore, if your god does truly exist, he willed Vak'Atioth and the events both leading to and happening as a consequence of it - he willed the death of the High Priests, he willed the crushing defeat at Vak'Atioth and he willed the end of the Minmatar occupation and the birth of the Republic. If that is true, the Jove were just as much his agents in this as anyone else. Unwittingly or otherwise, they delivered a message from your god. I'm not a believer in your god so I can't tell you what it might be, but if I had to guess it'd be something about hubris and pride going before a fall.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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