DaemonBarber
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 08/09/2006 14:26:47
Jita is high sec and should be safe, but Times Square in NYC is also fairly high sec and people still get mugged and sometimes shot. but unlike a back alley the cops responce time is much faster.
My point being is just as in new york you wouldnt go around waving wads of cash, dont go around jita waving wads of Megacyte or other high value items.
I fly exclusively in 0.0 and have only ever been to Jita looking for war targets that hunt our industrialists, so while this doesn't directly affect me, I still think it's lame.
For the record - they're not waving wads of cash, they've got it stashed in their pocket. If they wanted to drop it all in a can and then ***** when someone picked it up your argument would be valid; the haulers are just going about their business, it's the gankers that are taking advantage of the system.
Everyone keeps comparing Jita to NYC, which I personally don't understand. Jita is more dangerous then most 0.0 systems... The intention of 1.0 systems was not 'somewhat' safe - it's supposed to be safe. The argument that you should be hauling in T2 ships is foolish, most of the players that get hit doing this are NEW players that are getting turned off from the game because the 'safe' systems (according to the game - not what the players think) are dangerous to haulers.
There are two camps at odds here - along with everything else in EVE. Carebears and PVPers. EVE is very much a PVP game - but high sec empire PVP should be limited to the market and war targets. There are lots of places a PVPer can go to PVP, but they don't want that, they want easy ganks. There is no where a player can go that is safe from PVP (and they pay the same $15 you do).
Saying that it's the haulers fault is a load of bull. It's the gankers fault first, it's the games fault second and it's the haulers fault last. If the gankers didn't pull this crap, it wouldn't be an issue. If the game didn't let them get away with it (paying out insurance, letting the hauler pick up the loot, trial alts, etc) it wouldn't be an issue. Since this is the way it works today, yeah it's the haulers fault for getting killed, but there's a lot of other places that should changed before you start telling noobs they can't go to 1.0 systems (which by definition should be the most lawful) unless they're in a t2 hauler.
I'd be happy to see insurance revoked on these attacks, haulers being targeted by concord for looting the can, and trial accounts being prevented from attacking in high sec.
Removing the insurance would reduce the number of BS suicides, haulers being targeted would probably not work on it's own (as a second ship could suicide to flip the can), and trial accounts should not be used as a shelter for ganking in high sec (we limit their other uses - no reason not to do the same here).
PS- if you want to argue over how 'safe' 1.0 is SUPPOSED to be - show me a dev post saying that it shouldn't be safe and you'll find a lot critics of empire ganking drop the argument. Personal opinions wont sway anyone away from that belief though.
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