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Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:16:00 - [31] In all honesty, I don't really know what Xelas exact relationship with BoB is. I have my suspicions of course, but I don't have actual knowledge of what their agreements are. I think it is safe to say though, BoB treats entities on an individual basis. There is give and take in all agreements, all that changes is what is brought to the table. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:18:00 - [32] Avernus...very diplomatic answer...your position suits you very good...thank you...;-) --
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:13:00 - [33] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 18:14:20 Originally by: MacDuncan Avernus...very diplomatic answer...your position suits you very good...thank you...;-) There's a reason why he's the official FIX diplomat and I'm not. I can write long, explanatory forum posts, but he can write simple, wise ones. And most of all, he knows all the diplomatic facts... and I don't, because to be honest, regardless of my status on the forums, I'm just a peon in FIX . --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Entilzah Valen Hexagram.	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:14:00 - [34] Next time Dark think before you speak. Perception is everything. Simple concept to grasp.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:15:00 - [35] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 18:16:43 Originally by: Entilzah Valen Next time Dark think before you speak. Perception is everything. Simple concept to grasp. I did think before I spoke, and I would not take back my words if you gave me the choice. If you expect me to post only when other people say its "OK," you are sorely mistaken. I don't like it when people I know ** all over my alliance without knowing anything about the situation, and if you don't want me to respond, don't post in the first place. I haven't had to do this much lately: after the end of the FIX-CODA/SA war and the banning of alts on the corp/alliance forums, FIX-related threads pretty much ground to a halt, giving trolls no place to post their flames. --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
valhallan Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:19:00 - [36] I find this forum to be the diplomatic equivalent of Winston Churchill publishing a policy speech in MAD Magazine or Gandhi scribing his thoughts for MAXIM. Most of it is complete mental ************ and falls on an audience who has no idea what they are even looking at. But today I will break my traditional silence on this forum and post for the first time in my official capacity as Chairman of the Board for FIX. (took me almost 4 months to break that vow). If you see something written on these forums about FIX and it does not have AvernusÆ or my signature block, then it is not official policy. FIX reached itÆs high water mark last spring with about 1500 pilots and control of Querious and FAT. Formed in conflict, and a survivor of repeated and extended periods of conflict, its 22 member corps represented a diverse group of ideas and contained a variety of talented and strong willed leaders...all with equal and well deserved credentials to the heart and soul of FIX. For whatever reason, we were unable to get all of those personalities to work towards a single vision for the future of FIX. Triad and Outbreak had already spun off and begun to chart their own futures. That future was completely separate from FIXÆs, regardless of the generally held EVE-wide belief that our policies were linked. The CODA war that followed hit FIX right as we had engaged in a significant internal struggle and debate over the future direction of the alliance. It is impossible to say if Hans Roaming's now infamous cyno field accelerated or slowed the internal fractures in our ranks. We fought on for several months as a whole but were vastly out manned and unprepared to wage capital warfare. With the writing on the wall, we fractured...with several of FIXÆs strongest corps leaving and eventually forming PURE. Those of us that decided to remain together did so out of common bonds of friendship and a desire to stay together in EVE. We knew that Querious was now a bridge too far. BOB extended the tattered remnants of FIX a hand...one that would allow the 750 or so remaining members a chance to retain our identity and fight on. Some thought we sold our soul...and left. The 500 that remained regrouped, rebuilt, and have become more cohesive, energized, and optimistic than at any point in our history. Most importantly, we are having fun again. We owe BOB a debt of gratitude for that opportunity. We have grown some. Our neighbors are talking to us again, and like always, we seem to attract a fair share of enemies. It would be a pretty dull game if we didn't. The rest of EVE can speculate, gossip, and point fingersàit matters not! The current incarnation of FIX is proud of both our past and the opportunities in our future. We recognize that we are not the FIX of old...any more than Italy is now Rome, or England is an Empire. We are glad that the sons of FIX have found other alliances to join and other ways to enjoy the game. We wish them continued success. While our current polices and practices will often find us at odds, we share a common heritage. FIRMUS IXION is what it is. I am privileged to lead it, and am enormously proud of our reputation, our players, and our capabilities. Love us or hate us...your stuck with us. Respectfully, Valhallan FIX Chairman of the Board CEO/FOUNDER Band of Builders INC.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:22:00 - [37] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 18:22:31 Wow, valhallan. That speech brings back memories. Thank you for telling the story far better than I could. /goes out of this thread for now --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:25:00 - [38] val ftw -----------
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:01:00 - [39] nice post valhallan /emote tips hat for what its worth...
Brantoc	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:09:00 - [40] Personally I'm glad to see FIX doing well. I guess the few roaming pirates and gankers are a tad easier than the combined force of 6 alliances totalling 5k+ players. :) If the sub 1k player FIX could hold them off for a year, I think FIX has earned much respect. Glad your doing well, GL and all that.
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:39:00 - [41] Originally by: valhallan I find this forum to be the diplomatic equivalent of Winston Churchill publishing a policy speech in MAD Magazine or Gandhi scribing his thoughts for MAXIM. Most of it is complete mental ************ and falls on an audience who has no idea what they are even looking at. But today I will break my traditional silence on this forum and post for the first time in my official capacity as Chairman of the Board for FIX. (took me almost 4 months to break that vow). If you see something written on these forums about FIX and it does not have AvernusÆ or my signature block, then it is not official policy. FIX reached itÆs high water mark last spring with about 1500 pilots and control of Querious and FAT. Formed in conflict, and a survivor of repeated and extended periods of conflict, its 22 member corps represented a diverse group of ideas and contained a variety of talented and strong willed leaders...all with equal and well deserved credentials to the heart and soul of FIX. For whatever reason, we were unable to get all of those personalities to work towards a single vision for the future of FIX. Triad and Outbreak had already spun off and begun to chart their own futures. That future was completely separate from FIXÆs, regardless of the generally held EVE-wide belief that our policies were linked. The CODA war that followed hit FIX right as we had engaged in a significant internal struggle and debate over the future direction of the alliance. It is impossible to say if Hans Roaming's now infamous cyno field accelerated or slowed the internal fractures in our ranks. We fought on for several months as a whole but were vastly out manned and unprepared to wage capital warfare. With the writing on the wall, we fractured...with several of FIXÆs strongest corps leaving and eventually forming PURE. Those of us that decided to remain together did so out of common bonds of friendship and a desire to stay together in EVE. We knew that Querious was now a bridge too far. BOB extended the tattered remnants of FIX a hand...one that would allow the 750 or so remaining members a chance to retain our identity and fight on. Some thought we sold our soul...and left. The 500 that remained regrouped, rebuilt, and have become more cohesive, energized, and optimistic than at any point in our history. Most importantly, we are having fun again. We owe BOB a debt of gratitude for that opportunity. We have grown some. Our neighbors are talking to us again, and like always, we seem to attract a fair share of enemies. It would be a pretty dull game if we didn't. The rest of EVE can speculate, gossip, and point fingersàit matters not! The current incarnation of FIX is proud of both our past and the opportunities in our future. We recognize that we are not the FIX of old...any more than Italy is now Rome, or England is an Empire. We are glad that the sons of FIX have found other alliances to join and other ways to enjoy the game. We wish them continued success. While our current polices and practices will often find us at odds, we share a common heritage. FIRMUS IXION is what it is. I am privileged to lead it, and am enormously proud of our reputation, our players, and our capabilities. Love us or hate us...your stuck with us. Respectfully, Valhallan FIX Chairman of the Board CEO/FOUNDER Band of Builders INC. Almost like a Jade Constantine post, without the incessant whining. Very nicely posted Valhallan. You should probably post more often to be perfectly honest.
Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:50:00 - [42] Edited by: Audrea on 08/09/2006 19:50:23 Originally by: Brantoc Personally I'm glad to see FIX doing well. I guess the few roaming pirates and gankers are a tad easier than the combined force of 6 alliances totalling 5k+ players. :) If the sub 1k player FIX could hold them off for a year, I think FIX has earned much respect. Glad your doing well, GL and all that. The pressure fo 6 alliances lasted way way less than 1 year.. at first was only HF-SA, then there was the partial cease fire, in during which FIX held out pretty much. But after that, there was 1-2 months of very fast advance, climating with the 6 alliances near the end. PS: tick your corp ticker, or your post will get snipped :P ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Hampstah Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:02:00 - [43] Originally by: valhallan Really good stuff and very informative If you're leadership is anything like your post FIX is in good hands. ----- Beware Rodentz with Gunz
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:23:00 - [44] Originally by: SwindonBadger ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh Wait for meeee Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
valhallan Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Nez Perces nice post valhallan /emote tips hat for what its worth... Thanks Nez, some 2cents are more valuable than others. o7 V
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Selpy Originally by: SwindonBadger ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh Wait for meeee Wait till next weekend lads, this one is all booked up for work. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
James Damar Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Selpy Originally by: SwindonBadger ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh Wait for meeee Back in you're cages you two :) Nice post Valhallen, eventhough I've been away a while I still have a strong feeling for everything FIX, good too see you are doing well. And Av, if the boys are giving you to much hassle you have my permission to turn the hose on them :)
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:27:00 - [48] Nice posts, fellas. Fun, optimism, long term goals, and stream-lined leadership. Sounds like a recipe for success.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:31:00 - [49] Old FIX 4TW! In-between FIX 4Tmeh New FIX 4TMFW! Val is da bomb! That is all.
DeltaH Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:27:00 - [50] Here is the way I see it, acknowledging that I know absolutely nothing about the arrangement... FIX traded being on Joshua's out of game map in exchange for being able to own a region in the game. -DeltaH ---
Hassiana Gallente Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:46:00 - [51] Originally by: DeltaH Here is the way I see it, acknowledging that I know absolutely nothing about the arrangement... FIX traded being on Joshua's out of game map in exchange for being able to own a region in the game. -DeltaH why bother then? you know nothing about it, are you sayin they are your slaves? not? its prolly best that shooty shooty grunts keep out of challenging conversations
Hamatitio Caldari Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:02:00 - [52] So... Bob does absolutely nothing for the region, yet receives isk and minerals merely for owning the stations. On top of that, since they own them, they have an excuse to come protect you incase the POS's are ever shot at, as they are 'defending' themselves. Damn BoB are brilliant. --- I'm going through sigs fast these days.
Darpz Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Hamatitio So... Bob does absolutely nothing for the region, yet receives isk and minerals merely for owning the stations. On top of that, since they own them, they have an excuse to come protect you incase the POS's are ever shot at, as they are 'defending' themselves. Damn BoB are brilliant. They both benefit, Fix doesn't have to worry about a cap fleet since bob will take care of that if any credible threat ever comes to invade q so they get to focus on the fun skirmish warfare as opposed to the tedium of logistics of POS warfare if were told hold q on there own.
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:17:00 - [54] 2006.09.08 22:22 The sleazebag is currently at xxxxxxxxx VI - Moon 2 - xxxx xxxxxx xxxx Logistic Support station in the xxxxx system of the xxx constellation. With regards, swin. though ur not s sleazebag, so i tied the agent to crow and dragged him through some roids till he came good,. nice poast valh
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Hamatitio So... Bob does absolutely nothing for the region, yet receives isk and minerals merely for owning the stations. On top of that, since they own them, they have an excuse to come protect you incase the POS's are ever shot at, as they are 'defending' themselves. Damn BoB are brilliant. They both benefit, Fix doesn't have to worry about a cap fleet since bob will take care of that if any credible threat ever comes to invade q so they get to focus on the fun skirmish warfare as opposed to the tedium of logistics of POS warfare if were told hold q on there own. Hit the nail on the head right there, however you also have to remember that since the region novc f gfvb-- sorry coffee on the keyboard-- now belongs to BoB, there are a few other entities that reside in Querious aside from FIX. Thanks for the kind words folks. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
HuDDy Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:38:00 - [56] Nice post Val Fix 4tw
Keth Qarain Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.09 01:06:00 - [57] I would like to point out, for any of you old-school gamers out there: The situation bears an eerie resemblance to the plot of Star Control 2. The Ur-quan (BoB) give their one-time enemies (FIX) who stand on the brink of destruction a choice - Assist us (act as a buffer between BoB and BoB/FIX's mutual enemies) against the Kor-Ah (the aforementioned enemies) or be evicted from the galaxy to explore no more (empire). The analogy isn't totally perfect, obviously, but I thought it was amusing nonetheless. And thinking of Star Control 2, IMO one of the greatest games of all time, brings a tear to me eyes! Another fairly good analogy is to consider FIX in the same light as Britain during WWII... An honorable fight against overwhelming odds, and then on the brink of defeat, a lifeline thrown in by a militarily superior force. In the end, victory. Pragmatism has a massive influence in global politics, and personally I applaud its application. Starry-eyed idealism is of no use to corpses. - KQ
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.09 01:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Keth Qarain Another fairly good analogy is to consider FIX in the same light as Britain during WWII... An honorable fight against overwhelming odds, and then on the brink of defeat, a lifeline thrown in by a militarily superior force. In the end, victory. Your RL analogy is absurd.. I won't go into why this is the case, as it has no place on these forums. As for the analogy with Star Control 2, I wouldn't know as I never played the game. I think analogies are superfluous in view of Valhallan's excellent post which covered all bases. I can't think what anybody could possibly have to add after reading his post.
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.09 01:38:00 - [59] He failed to mention the cAKe. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Drantis J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.09 01:46:00 - [60] As per usual Val your skills are shown at their best. Nice post with a blend of honesty and accuracy. D>

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