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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:43:00 -
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This is a simple question before anyone thinks this is flamebait or whatever. I just want to know and that's it. /paranoia
So recently I've been wondering what happened to FIX. I know they're still alive. They've simply disappeared from Joshua Foiritain's map and I remember them claiming Querious. But now (and I know it's been so for a while already) it's just BoB in Querious. Has FIX simply been accepted by BoB as "residents" of Querious while BoB claims sovereignty or something? That's my conclusion based on what I can see but I really don't know and am simply curious.
I haven't looked at the sovereignty map in-game before posting this topic so please bear with me. Thanks in advance for informative answers.
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EvilNate
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:48:00 -
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Do not take my word as gospel, but they are basically under BoB's roof. Querious is owned by BoB, FIX live there and control it, with certain limitations. As to what they are actualy doing, I'm not sure and was pondering this myself.
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EvilNate
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:48:00 -
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Do not take my word as gospel, but they are basically under BoB's roof. Querious is owned by BoB, FIX live there and control it, with certain limitations. As to what they are actualy doing, I'm not sure and was pondering this myself.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:57:00 -
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Basically the way we see it in Q.
It's almost entirely populated by FIX with very few BoB (at least in core).
BoB seem to have sovereignty though.
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EvilNate
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: EvilNate on 08/09/2006 13:58:21
*meh*
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 14:05:27
We are doing quite well.
BoB don't really have anything to do with us... they own sovereignty in three systems, and we own sovereignty in about 20.
BoB hardly even visits Querious, so we're pretty much on our own there fighting off AAA and the like. The only difference that the "BoB deal" has made in our daily lives is that now we have to watch a few corps who BoB is charging to use the region ("renters") strip the belts in systems we don't care about.
Basically, everything is pretty much how it was before with some small changes.
For those interested, from what I know, the deal was something like this:
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees).
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
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 Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:23:00 -
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Well, that was what I wanted to know, thanks.
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EvilNate
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
*snip*
Out of interest, are you allowed to run the complexes in the Querious regoin?
Nate.
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Dust Angel
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 14:08:37
We are doing quite well.
BoB don't really have anything to do with us... they own sovereignty in three systems, and we own sovereignty in about 20.
BoB hardly even visits Querious, so we're pretty much on our own there fighting off AAA and the like. The only difference that the "BoB deal" has made in our daily lives is that now we have to watch a few corps who BoB is charging to use the region ("renters") strip the belts in systems we don't care about.
Basically, everything is pretty much how it was before with some small changes.
For those interested, from what I know, the deal was something like this:
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees). There are no station docking fees for us, repairs are very cheap, refining tax is 3%, and factory cost is like 100k per day.
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
null
Your soverignty point is moot. BoB owns the stations, and you suckle off bob.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: MacDuncan on 08/09/2006 14:43:06
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 14:08:37
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees). There are no station docking fees for us, repairs are very cheap, refining tax is 3%, and factory cost is like 100k per day.
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
So...basicaly...you're miningslaves for BoB?
And you're for sure paying BoB for the region in form of the station fees/taxes/rentals...and since they do not need to do ANYHTING at all it's a nice trade off i would say... ;-)
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nickky01
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Angel
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 14:08:37
We are doing quite well.
BoB don't really have anything to do with us... they own sovereignty in three systems, and we own sovereignty in about 20.
BoB hardly even visits Querious, so we're pretty much on our own there fighting off AAA and the like. The only difference that the "BoB deal" has made in our daily lives is that now we have to watch a few corps who BoB is charging to use the region ("renters") strip the belts in systems we don't care about.
Basically, everything is pretty much how it was before with some small changes.
For those interested, from what I know, the deal was something like this:
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees). There are no station docking fees for us, repairs are very cheap, refining tax is 3%, and factory cost is like 100k per day.
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
null
Your soverignty point is moot. BoB owns the stations, and you suckle off bob.
BoB owns the stations, but FIX does a very good job defending them...take a trip down to 9CG sometime if you think FIX are just mining slaves...
but you better take a big gang 
/miss fighting FIX :(
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:56:00 -
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Don't forget at the time BoB took the region FIX had in all intents and purposes lost it. Their last stronghold in 9CG was falling and it was back to empire for them. BoB comes along, offers them a good deal and why not take it?
Anyway they seem to be alive and kicking and no doubt still making raids into Catch although I'm sure they miss me being red on their overview. 
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Machiavelli7
Gallente
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
blah
So Speaketh the FIX Ambassador to Jita.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:13:00 -
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/emote wonders what direction this thread will eventually take... 
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Machiavelli7
Originally by: Dark Shikari
blah
So Speaketh the FIX Ambassador to Jita.
Of course not all the FIX at the time thought this was a good move. 
Hope you survived taking your gf to an eve meeting m8.
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Kyguard
Our Brothers Five
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
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4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
BoB aren't your babysitters, but they control who is in command in FIX? Sounds like babysitters.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Angel
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 14:08:37
We are doing quite well.
BoB don't really have anything to do with us... they own sovereignty in three systems, and we own sovereignty in about 20.
BoB hardly even visits Querious, so we're pretty much on our own there fighting off AAA and the like. The only difference that the "BoB deal" has made in our daily lives is that now we have to watch a few corps who BoB is charging to use the region ("renters") strip the belts in systems we don't care about.
Basically, everything is pretty much how it was before with some small changes.
For those interested, from what I know, the deal was something like this:
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees). There are no station docking fees for us, repairs are very cheap, refining tax is 3%, and factory cost is like 100k per day.
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
null
Your soverignty point is moot. BoB owns the stations, and you suckle off bob.
We do indeed own the stations.
We did so, originally, to prevent our enemies from using them.
Do we insist that FIX use them? No.
Do we insist FIX refine at our refineries? No.
Do FIX get a completely free roam of Querious? Yes.
Have we had to involve ourselves in Q since we took it? No.
So ya'll thought that FIX were an easy mark, a nice easy way to BoB central. Well, they aren't. Primarily because, well, they just are_not an easy mark and, secondly, if you ever get past them, you've gotta get past us AND them.
Any wonder why no major invasions have since occurred? No, nor me.
FIX did what they had to do and, as far as I know, it wasn't a hard decision. Perhaps you could give them a better one?
I look forward to seeing FIX on the sovereignty map once more, for at that point the egg will be well and truely on your face.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
Originally by: Dark Shikari
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
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4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
BoB aren't your babysitters, but they control who is in command in FIX? Sounds like babysitters.
We have absolutely ZERO to do with who is in control of FIX. They have their own internal methods of government and BoB has, and will, deal with whoever fixians decide that is.
If that's what a babysitter is, then sure, that's us.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 16:02:14
Originally by: EvilNate
Originally by: Dark Shikari
*snip*
Out of interest, are you allowed to run the complexes in the Querious regoin?
Nate.
Of course, assuming RAT didn't run them first
Originally by: MacDuncan
Originally by: Dark Shikari
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees). There are no station docking fees for us, repairs are very cheap, refining tax is 3%, and factory cost is like 100k per day.
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
So...basicaly...you're miningslaves for BoB?
We don't give them a cent except perhaps those who pay them the minimal factory fees.
Basically, we do whatever we want, BoB doesn't bother us as long as we don't **** them off. Not much different than the rest of EVE I would think...  
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:01:00 -
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Its basically a vassal state.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Angel
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 14:08:37
We are doing quite well.
BoB don't really have anything to do with us... they own sovereignty in three systems, and we own sovereignty in about 20.
BoB hardly even visits Querious, so we're pretty much on our own there fighting off AAA and the like. The only difference that the "BoB deal" has made in our daily lives is that now we have to watch a few corps who BoB is charging to use the region ("renters") strip the belts in systems we don't care about.
Basically, everything is pretty much how it was before with some small changes.
For those interested, from what I know, the deal was something like this:
1. BoB doesn't kill FIX, because BoB likes FIX and would rather not wipe us out (they could if they wanted to, obviously, as they could wipe out pretty much anyone else).
2. BoB owns the three stations and charges us very minimal fees to use them (renters get far higher fees). There are no station docking fees for us, repairs are very cheap, refining tax is 3%, and factory cost is like 100k per day.
3. FIX is required to defend the region. BoB will not help FIX, because BoB are not FIX's babysitters. Nor are we paying BoB for the region. It is entirely our job to keep the region secure, and nobody else's.
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
null
Your soverignty point is moot. BoB owns the stations, and you suckle off bob.
Ah, Dust Angel, so bitter. So bitter that you will troll every FIX-related thread and flame me in D-C every time I chat (requiring me to ban you from the channel every single time!). Maybe you didn't like the fact that your favorite alliance, SA, broke up?
It takes a fool to claim that alliance X is "babysat" by alliance Y when even alliance Y doesn't believe that (and moreso, Alliance Y never has more than 1 or 2 people in all of Alliance X's region).
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 08/09/2006 16:12:39
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Daddy lets us play in Querious if we promise not to break it again.
Fixed.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 16:27:27
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Daddy lets us play in Querious if we promise not to break it again.
Fixed.
Apparently, according to our killboard, we've podded you 6 times and ganked 13 other ships of yours. Are you bitter?
P.S. For all those claiming FIX is dead, you will have a surprise come Kali. 
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 08/09/2006 16:29:49
I have to laugh at most of the posts in here. Once Dark becomes the official spokesperson for FIX you can take what he says to the bank. Otherwise, I would ignore most of what he has posted, along with what most everyone else has posted.
Suffice it to say, we have a very mutually beneficial arrangement with BoB, the actual terms of which are not open for public viewing or discussion.
Two (2) tidbits of truth in the above posts, though: We generally do as we please in Q, and we do it when and how we please as well. We also do not take kindly to hostile entities in Q space.
To the Axiom Empire chap: We were glad to have you as an enemy and are now glad to have you as an ally.
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:29:00 -
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Oh noes. 100k isk per day.
I can already feel BoB's wallet exploding at the seams. Clearly if we ignored the half dozen outposts, billions of revenue made per day, and hundred ship capital fleet.. the seven hundred man alliance known as Firmus Ixion will have contributed the significant force of one Battlecruiser per month to our arsenal.
Seriously, just end yourselves. I'm pretty sure that some BoB stations charge more to its own members.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Oh noes. 100k isk per day.
I can already feel BoB's wallet exploding at the seams. Clearly if we ignored the half dozen outposts, billions of revenue made per day, and hundred ship capital fleet.. the seven hundred man alliance known as Firmus Ixion will have contributed the significant force of one Battlecruiser per month to our arsenal.
Seriously, just end yourselves. I'm pretty sure that some BoB stations charge more to its own members.
DC, much <3 my friend.
Oh, and your battlecruiser is ready for pick up.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 16:27:27
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Daddy lets us play in Querious if we promise not to break it again.
Fixed.
Apparently, according to our killboard, we've podded you 6 times and ganked 13 other ships of yours. Are you bitter?
P.S. For all those claiming FIX is dead, you will have a surprise come Kali.
Lol. You'll notice 7 of those are Tristans, 5 of them are T1 cruisers.
When i started my PvP career Querious and FiX were my PvP classroom in T1 frig and Cruiser gangs.
You can have the 7 Tristan's and ill keep the 7 battleship's i got as a newbie.
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Audrea
Widowmakers
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
P.S. For all those claiming FIX is dead, you will have a surprise come Kali.
How can you plan surprises for Kali, when its not yet known how exactly factional warfare is going to work?
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.08 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: SwindonBadger on 08/09/2006 17:05:41
ha ha see u still get flamers following fix on forums,,, sugest if u dont like fix rather then be a squeeky little ferrit on the forums u go see for urself who defends Q phrixzus in one of these ships u now have that is bigger then a triston.
remeber about 2 years worth of " u live under fountain, ur there bit***,.... ect ect " and in all my time there we fought with them once,, maybe even at that. I belive bob even thought that for a bit ,, but things changed once they started to fight fix with regards to bob thinking Fix where FA puppets and thats how they got to be friends on the battle field, so ... stop the talking and off u go! tell us how you get on and if its bob or fix killing/being blown up by what must be ur oober skill cos u seem so perky today.
ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.09.08 17:07:00 -
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So....practically FIX = Xelas¦ ?
Not wanting to sound rude or so, just out of interest... ;-)
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 17:16:00 -
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In all honesty, I don't really know what Xelas exact relationship with BoB is. I have my suspicions of course, but I don't have actual knowledge of what their agreements are.
I think it is safe to say though, BoB treats entities on an individual basis. There is give and take in all agreements, all that changes is what is brought to the table.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.09.08 17:18:00 -
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Avernus...very diplomatic answer...your position suits you very good...thank you...;-)
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 18:14:20
Originally by: MacDuncan
Avernus...very diplomatic answer...your position suits you very good...thank you...;-)
There's a reason why he's the official FIX diplomat and I'm not.
I can write long, explanatory forum posts, but he can write simple, wise ones. And most of all, he knows all the diplomatic facts... and I don't, because to be honest, regardless of my status on the forums, I'm just a peon in FIX .
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Entilzah Valen
Hexagram.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:14:00 -
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Next time Dark think before you speak. Perception is everything.
Simple concept to grasp.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:15:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 18:16:43
Originally by: Entilzah Valen
Next time Dark think before you speak. Perception is everything.
Simple concept to grasp.
I did think before I spoke, and I would not take back my words if you gave me the choice. If you expect me to post only when other people say its "OK," you are sorely mistaken.
I don't like it when people I know **** all over my alliance without knowing anything about the situation, and if you don't want me to respond, don't post in the first place.
I haven't had to do this much lately: after the end of the FIX-CODA/SA war and the banning of alts on the corp/alliance forums, FIX-related threads pretty much ground to a halt, giving trolls no place to post their flames.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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valhallan
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:19:00 -
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I find this forum to be the diplomatic equivalent of Winston Churchill publishing a policy speech in MAD Magazine or Gandhi scribing his thoughts for MAXIM. Most of it is complete mental ************ and falls on an audience who has no idea what they are even looking at. But today I will break my traditional silence on this forum and post for the first time in my official capacity as Chairman of the Board for FIX. (took me almost 4 months to break that vow). If you see something written on these forums about FIX and it does not have AvernusÆ or my signature block, then it is not official policy.
FIX reached itÆs high water mark last spring with about 1500 pilots and control of Querious and FAT. Formed in conflict, and a survivor of repeated and extended periods of conflict, its 22 member corps represented a diverse group of ideas and contained a variety of talented and strong willed leaders...all with equal and well deserved credentials to the heart and soul of FIX. For whatever reason, we were unable to get all of those personalities to work towards a single vision for the future of FIX. Triad and Outbreak had already spun off and begun to chart their own futures. That future was completely separate from FIXÆs, regardless of the generally held EVE-wide belief that our policies were linked.
The CODA war that followed hit FIX right as we had engaged in a significant internal struggle and debate over the future direction of the alliance. It is impossible to say if Hans Roaming's now infamous cyno field accelerated or slowed the internal fractures in our ranks. We fought on for several months as a whole but were vastly out manned and unprepared to wage capital warfare. With the writing on the wall, we fractured...with several of FIXÆs strongest corps leaving and eventually forming PURE. Those of us that decided to remain together did so out of common bonds of friendship and a desire to stay together in EVE. We knew that Querious was now a bridge too far.
BOB extended the tattered remnants of FIX a hand...one that would allow the 750 or so remaining members a chance to retain our identity and fight on. Some thought we sold our soul...and left. The 500 that remained regrouped, rebuilt, and have become more cohesive, energized, and optimistic than at any point in our history. Most importantly, we are having fun again. We owe BOB a debt of gratitude for that opportunity.
We have grown some. Our neighbors are talking to us again, and like always, we seem to attract a fair share of enemies. It would be a pretty dull game if we didn't.
The rest of EVE can speculate, gossip, and point fingersàit matters not! The current incarnation of FIX is proud of both our past and the opportunities in our future. We recognize that we are not the FIX of old...any more than Italy is now Rome, or England is an Empire. We are glad that the sons of FIX have found other alliances to join and other ways to enjoy the game. We wish them continued success. While our current polices and practices will often find us at odds, we share a common heritage.
FIRMUS IXION is what it is. I am privileged to lead it, and am enormously proud of our reputation, our players, and our capabilities. Love us or hate us...your stuck with us.
Respectfully,
Valhallan
FIX Chairman of the Board
CEO/FOUNDER Band of Builders INC.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:22:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/09/2006 18:22:31
Wow, valhallan. That speech brings back memories. Thank you for telling the story far better than I could.
/goes out of this thread for now
--[23] Member--
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Firane
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:25:00 -
[38]
val ftw
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 19:01:00 -
[39]
nice post valhallan
/emote tips hat for what its worth...
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Brantoc
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Posted - 2006.09.08 19:09:00 -
[40]
Personally I'm glad to see FIX doing well. I guess the few roaming pirates and gankers are a tad easier than the combined force of 6 alliances totalling 5k+ players. :)
If the sub 1k player FIX could hold them off for a year, I think FIX has earned much respect.
Glad your doing well, GL and all that.
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Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.08 19:39:00 -
[41]
Originally by: valhallan
I find this forum to be the diplomatic equivalent of Winston Churchill publishing a policy speech in MAD Magazine or Gandhi scribing his thoughts for MAXIM. Most of it is complete mental ************ and falls on an audience who has no idea what they are even looking at. But today I will break my traditional silence on this forum and post for the first time in my official capacity as Chairman of the Board for FIX. (took me almost 4 months to break that vow). If you see something written on these forums about FIX and it does not have AvernusÆ or my signature block, then it is not official policy.
FIX reached itÆs high water mark last spring with about 1500 pilots and control of Querious and FAT. Formed in conflict, and a survivor of repeated and extended periods of conflict, its 22 member corps represented a diverse group of ideas and contained a variety of talented and strong willed leaders...all with equal and well deserved credentials to the heart and soul of FIX. For whatever reason, we were unable to get all of those personalities to work towards a single vision for the future of FIX. Triad and Outbreak had already spun off and begun to chart their own futures. That future was completely separate from FIXÆs, regardless of the generally held EVE-wide belief that our policies were linked.
The CODA war that followed hit FIX right as we had engaged in a significant internal struggle and debate over the future direction of the alliance. It is impossible to say if Hans Roaming's now infamous cyno field accelerated or slowed the internal fractures in our ranks. We fought on for several months as a whole but were vastly out manned and unprepared to wage capital warfare. With the writing on the wall, we fractured...with several of FIXÆs strongest corps leaving and eventually forming PURE. Those of us that decided to remain together did so out of common bonds of friendship and a desire to stay together in EVE. We knew that Querious was now a bridge too far.
BOB extended the tattered remnants of FIX a hand...one that would allow the 750 or so remaining members a chance to retain our identity and fight on. Some thought we sold our soul...and left. The 500 that remained regrouped, rebuilt, and have become more cohesive, energized, and optimistic than at any point in our history. Most importantly, we are having fun again. We owe BOB a debt of gratitude for that opportunity.
We have grown some. Our neighbors are talking to us again, and like always, we seem to attract a fair share of enemies. It would be a pretty dull game if we didn't.
The rest of EVE can speculate, gossip, and point fingersàit matters not! The current incarnation of FIX is proud of both our past and the opportunities in our future. We recognize that we are not the FIX of old...any more than Italy is now Rome, or England is an Empire. We are glad that the sons of FIX have found other alliances to join and other ways to enjoy the game. We wish them continued success. While our current polices and practices will often find us at odds, we share a common heritage.
FIRMUS IXION is what it is. I am privileged to lead it, and am enormously proud of our reputation, our players, and our capabilities. Love us or hate us...your stuck with us.
Respectfully,
Valhallan
FIX Chairman of the Board
CEO/FOUNDER Band of Builders INC.
Almost like a Jade Constantine post, without the incessant whining. Very nicely posted Valhallan. You should probably post more often to be perfectly honest.
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Audrea
Widowmakers
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.09.08 19:50:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Audrea on 08/09/2006 19:50:23
Originally by: Brantoc
Personally I'm glad to see FIX doing well. I guess the few roaming pirates and gankers are a tad easier than the combined force of 6 alliances totalling 5k+ players. :)
If the sub 1k player FIX could hold them off for a year, I think FIX has earned much respect.
Glad your doing well, GL and all that.
The pressure fo 6 alliances lasted way way less than 1 year.. at first was only HF-SA, then there was the partial cease fire, in during which FIX held out pretty much.
But after that, there was 1-2 months of very fast advance, climating with the 6 alliances near the end.
PS: tick your corp ticker, or your post will get snipped :P
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Hampstah
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:02:00 -
[43]
Originally by: valhallan
Really good stuff and very informative
If you're leadership is anything like your post FIX is in good hands.
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Selpy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: SwindonBadger
ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh
Wait for meeee
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valhallan
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:46:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Nez Perces
nice post valhallan
/emote tips hat for what its worth...
Thanks Nez, some 2cents are more valuable than others.
o7
V
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:05:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Selpy
Originally by: SwindonBadger
ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh
Wait for meeee
Wait till next weekend lads, this one is all booked up for work. 
Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback. |
James Damar
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:13:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Selpy
Originally by: SwindonBadger
ps AV its time I came and payed u a visit..... mwhuhuhuhuuhuhuh
Wait for meeee
Back in you're cages you two :)
Nice post Valhallen, eventhough I've been away a while I still have a strong feeling for everything FIX, good too see you are doing well. And Av, if the boys are giving you to much hassle you have my permission to turn the hose on them :)
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:27:00 -
[48]
Nice posts, fellas. Fun, optimism, long term goals, and stream-lined leadership. Sounds like a recipe for success.
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:31:00 -
[49]
Old FIX 4TW!
In-between FIX 4Tmeh 
New FIX 4TMFW!
Val is da bomb!
That is all.
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DeltaH
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:27:00 -
[50]
Here is the way I see it, acknowledging that I know absolutely nothing about the arrangement...
FIX traded being on Joshua's out of game map in exchange for being able to own a region in the game.
-DeltaH
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Hassiana
Gallente
Paralex Research
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:46:00 -
[51]
Originally by: DeltaH
Here is the way I see it, acknowledging that I know absolutely nothing about the arrangement...
FIX traded being on Joshua's out of game map in exchange for being able to own a region in the game.
-DeltaH
why bother then? you know nothing about it, are you sayin they are your slaves? not? its prolly best that shooty shooty grunts keep out of challenging conversations
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Fate.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:02:00 -
[52]
So... Bob does absolutely nothing for the region, yet receives isk and minerals merely for owning the stations.
On top of that, since they own them, they have an excuse to come protect you incase the POS's are ever shot at, as they are 'defending' themselves.
Damn BoB are brilliant.
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:14:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Hamatitio
So... Bob does absolutely nothing for the region, yet receives isk and minerals merely for owning the stations.
On top of that, since they own them, they have an excuse to come protect you incase the POS's are ever shot at, as they are 'defending' themselves.
Damn BoB are brilliant.
They both benefit, Fix doesn't have to worry about a cap fleet since bob will take care of that if any credible threat ever comes to invade q so they get to focus on the fun skirmish warfare as opposed to the tedium of logistics of POS warfare if were told hold q on there own.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:17:00 -
[54]
2006.09.08 22:22
The sleazebag is currently at xxxxxxxxx VI - Moon 2 - xxxx xxxxxx xxxx Logistic Support station in the xxxxx system of
the xxx constellation.
With regards,
swin. though ur not s sleazebag, so i tied the agent to crow and dragged him through some roids till he came good,.
nice poast valh
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:32:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Hamatitio
So... Bob does absolutely nothing for the region, yet receives isk and minerals merely for owning the stations.
On top of that, since they own them, they have an excuse to come protect you incase the POS's are ever shot at, as they are 'defending' themselves.
Damn BoB are brilliant.
They both benefit, Fix doesn't have to worry about a cap fleet since bob will take care of that if any credible threat ever comes to invade q so they get to focus on the fun skirmish warfare as opposed to the tedium of logistics of POS warfare if were told hold q on there own.
Hit the nail on the head right there, however you also have to remember that since the region novc f gfvb-- sorry coffee on the keyboard-- now belongs to BoB, there are a few other entities that reside in Querious aside from FIX.
Thanks for the kind words folks.
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HuDDy
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:38:00 -
[56]
Nice post Val
Fix 4tw
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Keth Qarain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:06:00 -
[57]
I would like to point out, for any of you old-school gamers out there:
The situation bears an eerie resemblance to the plot of Star Control 2. The Ur-quan (BoB) give their one-time enemies (FIX) who stand on the brink of destruction a choice - Assist us (act as a buffer between BoB and BoB/FIX's mutual enemies) against the Kor-Ah (the aforementioned enemies) or be evicted from the galaxy to explore no more (empire).
The analogy isn't totally perfect, obviously, but I thought it was amusing nonetheless. And thinking of Star Control 2, IMO one of the greatest games of all time, brings a tear to me eyes!
Another fairly good analogy is to consider FIX in the same light as Britain during WWII... An honorable fight against overwhelming odds, and then on the brink of defeat, a lifeline thrown in by a militarily superior force. In the end, victory.
Pragmatism has a massive influence in global politics, and personally I applaud its application. Starry-eyed idealism is of no use to corpses.
- KQ
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:21:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Keth Qarain
Another fairly good analogy is to consider FIX in the same light as Britain during WWII... An honorable fight against overwhelming odds, and then on the brink of defeat, a lifeline thrown in by a militarily superior force. In the end, victory.
Your RL analogy is absurd.. I won't go into why this is the case, as it has no place on these forums. As for the analogy with Star Control 2, I wouldn't know as I never played the game.
I think analogies are superfluous in view of Valhallan's excellent post which covered all bases. I can't think what anybody could possibly have to add after reading his post.
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:38:00 -
[59]
He failed to mention the cAKe.
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame. |
Drantis
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:46:00 -
[60]
As per usual Val your skills are shown at their best. Nice post with a blend of honesty and accuracy.
D>
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:05:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Keth Qarain
Another fairly good analogy is to consider FIX in the same light as Britain during WWII... An honorable fight against overwhelming odds, and then on the brink of defeat, a lifeline thrown in by a militarily superior force. In the end, victory.
WTF?
Get a history lesson.
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Keth Qarain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:24:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Keth Qarain
Another fairly good analogy is to consider FIX in the same light as Britain during WWII... An honorable fight against overwhelming odds, and then on the brink of defeat, a lifeline thrown in by a militarily superior force. In the end, victory.
Your RL analogy is absurd.. I won't go into why this is the case, as it has no place on these forums. As for the analogy with Star Control 2, I wouldn't know as I never played the game.
I think analogies are superfluous in view of Valhallan's excellent post which covered all bases. I can't think what anybody could possibly have to add after reading his post.
Ahh, Nez Perces... You look really good when you make insulting comments about my opinion (I'm entitled to that, right?) and then back it up with ... nothing... /applaud.
At least we can agree on the fact that Val's post was excellently written. What that has to do with me making an honest comment based on things as I see them, and why that should provoke such an immature response, I dunno... I had no intent to insult any of those as might read this thread, so if I did, my apologies.
I never knew a simple politically neutral opinion could be such an effective smack magnet. Well.... Politically neutral other than likening the bandwagon to the Kor-Ah and the 3rd Reich hehehhe... Like I said in my OP, the analogy is imperfect.
- KQ
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:43:00 -
[63]
The screamy ship was the best it looks like a vagabond and then you fly by the other guy and screamy them and then thier crew jumps out into space and you pick them up so that they cant shoot fast at you anymore and then you screamy them again and the other guy is like wtf man why you gotta steal all my guys for and then you blow him up!
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M PIquet
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:52:00 -
[64]
FIX is dead. Long live FIX.
I remember there being much conversation about FIXs role as Uncle BoB's <female dog>/meatshield when I was in Huzzah. There was more than a bit of bitterness about the whole 9CG debacle as I recall.
But, you know, sod it. FIX made their bed, they're lying in it quite happily and I hope they're still rolling random gank squads into Catch to give the new owners a speshul treat.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 03:20:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Keth Qarain
Ahh, Nez Perces... You look really good when you make insulting comments about my opinion (I'm entitled to that, right?) and then back it up with ... nothing... /applaud.
I appologise if what I posted came across as overly harsh. However, I do feel that RL analogies and EVE make poor bedfellows, not in small part due to the fact that one cannot argue one's case as it is against the forum rules. i.e RL politics/history discussions are frowned upon by the mods with good reason...
/emote offers olive branch 
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Keth Qarain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 03:35:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Keth Qarain
Ahh, Nez Perces... You look really good when you make insulting comments about my opinion (I'm entitled to that, right?) and then back it up with ... nothing... /applaud.
I appologise if what I posted came across as overly harsh. However, I do feel that RL analogies and EVE make poor bedfellows, not in small part due to the fact that one cannot argue one's case as it is against the forum rules. i.e RL politics/history discussions are frowned upon by the mods with good reason...
/emote offers olive branch
I can do nothing less than accept an apology freely tendered, and offer one of my own if my reply was a bit over the top. This was the kind of disagreement that could turn really ugly on the forums, but could (and did) result in a most enjoyable conversation in-game. I admit I'm a bit fuzzy on forum rules, I should have just said what I meant in direct terms rather than using an analogy that is too easily misinterpreted and that detracts from the aesthetics of game immersion. Val answered the OP in the best fashion possible, and as Nez says, anything else IS superfluous, however personally entertaining I may find it
Sorry for the hijack, y'all, and thanks for the great convo and the olive branch, Nez... Just goes to show what a civilized (and private) conversation can accomplish!
- KQ
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.09 04:06:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Cadiz on 09/09/2006 04:07:18
Not being all pew-pew shooty-shooty at FIX these days makes me a bit sad; they were a real delight to cross swords with.  Good allies are one thing and it is not-displeasing to work alongside them against A^3, but good enemies are truly worth their weight in gold - they're what make the game genuinely worthwhile, after all!
It is a truly delightful thing to have foes who you can unconditionally respect for their field conduct at the end of the day.
Ah well, FIX has richly earned whatever respite they have; we put them through one hell of a ringer before the 9CG debacle. Glad to hear that things are well on the way with them these days - now all you guys need to do is start putting more pressure on that 4-07MU 10/10.
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"There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence." |
Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.09 10:37:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Cadiz
Edited by: Cadiz on 09/09/2006 04:07:18
Not being all pew-pew shooty-shooty at FIX these days makes me a bit sad; they were a real delight to cross swords with. Good allies are one thing and it is not-displeasing to work alongside them against A^3, but good enemies are truly worth their weight in gold - they're what make the game genuinely worthwhile, after all!
It is a truly delightful thing to have foes who you can unconditionally respect for their field conduct at the end of the day.
Ah well, FIX has richly earned whatever respite they have; we put them through one hell of a ringer before the 9CG debacle. Glad to hear that things are well on the way with them these days - now all you guys need to do is start putting more pressure on that 4-07MU 10/10.
You know me, I'm already on it mate. ^_^
Btw, Kudos for Ko3ak for brinin` the marshmellows, Zangief brought his macy's bag and I'll bring the flame.
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Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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Dekein
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.09 11:00:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Dekein on 09/09/2006 11:01:41
If my (Admittedly poor) history is accurate. British pilots put up such a fight as to prevent the planned invasion, far before the US got involved.
Wasn't the quote: "Never have so many owed so much, to so few." ?
Of course, I could look it up. But that would defeat the point I am trying to make.
I want a Tshirt that says "I fought fix tooth and nail and all I got out of it was this lousy respect..." (for them)
Anyone who puts them down has obviously not fought them recently. Think what you want, the reality will probably be an unpleasant surprise.
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Lazydog
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:41:00 -
[70]
nice post val, i just love the curiosity within this topic
\o to all the ex fixies
\o nicky01 and all other no 1/4 guys, i'm still missing you from my overview :( <3's 2 ya
\o hi mom!
Fix 4tmfw
My 1st eve vid
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:24:00 -
[71]
Originally by: valhallan
I find this forum to be the diplomatic equivalent of Winston Churchill publishing a policy speech in MAD Magazine or Gandhi scribing his thoughts for MAXIM. Most of it is complete mental ************ and falls on an audience who has no idea what they are even looking at. But today I will break my traditional silence on this forum and post for the first time in my official capacity as Chairman of the Board for FIX. (took me almost 4 months to break that vow). If you see something written on these forums about FIX and it does not have AvernusÆ or my signature block, then it is not official policy.
FIX reached itÆs high water mark last spring with about 1500 pilots and control of Querious and FAT. Formed in conflict, and a survivor of repeated and extended periods of conflict, its 22 member corps represented a diverse group of ideas and contained a variety of talented and strong willed leaders...all with equal and well deserved credentials to the heart and soul of FIX. For whatever reason, we were unable to get all of those personalities to work towards a single vision for the future of FIX. Triad and Outbreak had already spun off and begun to chart their own futures. That future was completely separate from FIXÆs, regardless of the generally held EVE-wide belief that our policies were linked.
The CODA war that followed hit FIX right as we had engaged in a significant internal struggle and debate over the future direction of the alliance. It is impossible to say if Hans Roaming's now infamous cyno field accelerated or slowed the internal fractures in our ranks. We fought on for several months as a whole but were vastly out manned and unprepared to wage capital warfare. With the writing on the wall, we fractured...with several of FIXÆs strongest corps leaving and eventually forming PURE. Those of us that decided to remain together did so out of common bonds of friendship and a desire to stay together in EVE. We knew that Querious was now a bridge too far.
BOB extended the tattered remnants of FIX a hand...one that would allow the 750 or so remaining members a chance to retain our identity and fight on. Some thought we sold our soul...and left. The 500 that remained regrouped, rebuilt, and have become more cohesive, energized, and optimistic than at any point in our history. Most importantly, we are having fun again. We owe BOB a debt of gratitude for that opportunity.
We have grown some. Our neighbors are talking to us again, and like always, we seem to attract a fair share of enemies. It would be a pretty dull game if we didn't.
The rest of EVE can speculate, gossip, and point fingersàit matters not! The current incarnation of FIX is proud of both our past and the opportunities in our future. We recognize that we are not the FIX of old...any more than Italy is now Rome, or England is an Empire. We are glad that the sons of FIX have found other alliances to join and other ways to enjoy the game. We wish them continued success. While our current polices and practices will often find us at odds, we share a common heritage.
FIRMUS IXION is what it is. I am privileged to lead it, and am enormously proud of our reputation, our players, and our capabilities. Love us or hate us...your stuck with us.
Respectfully,
Valhallan
FIX Chairman of the Board
CEO/FOUNDER Band of Builders INC.
OMG finally a fix post that _doesn't_ make me want to drop whatever I'm doing wherever I am and come join whatever force is fighting you now. Well said, respect and gl.
Koronos
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.09 17:23:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 08/09/2006 16:29:49
Once Dark becomes the official spokesperson for FIX you can take what he says to the bank.
Yoda Out
HEY, was that a pun?
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.09 17:36:00 -
[73]
So the difference now from then is that you don't own the stations so you have to pay to use them and don't get the minerals from refining?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 18:35:00 -
[74]
BoB has a variety of relationships with the Corps in BoB space.
Some pay rent (often called serfs or slaves by folks that dont understand them). These Corps are expected to NOT be a source of problems. They have very specific rights, spelled out in the agreement that gained them access to Bob space. Some make a nice profit, some don't (the ones that have no clue about living in 0.0 don't do so well....). Beyond not being a problem, paying rent, and doing their own thing, BoB makes no other demands on them.
Other Corps pay no rent, but are expected to help "Hold" space. Think of them as "Dukes" or "Barons". They might not be soverign, but they are not serfs.
In the long run, this might lead to what I think of as "creeping feudalism", but that makes for an interesting game (creeping fuedalism means that what might be one political entity today might be more than one tomorrow....)
*snip*
This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.09 19:54:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Randay
The screamy ship was the best it looks like a vagabond and then you fly by the other guy and screamy them and then thier crew jumps out into space and you pick them up so that they cant shoot fast at you anymore and then you screamy them again and the other guy is like wtf man why you gotta steal all my guys for and then you blow him up!
I present to you, the Penetrator/Vagabond/*****...
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Scius
Amarr
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.09.10 07:06:00 -
[76]
Nice post Val, although it hurts to say it FIX are alive, alot of water under the bridge to wash the bad blood away but i dont think FOFF will ever have FIX at a + but maybe just a small smile and a nod in space as we pass.
Youve done what was needed to survive.
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.10 09:12:00 -
[77]
Nice post Val you have mucho respecto from all of fixo 07 can I also say hi to my mom o/
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.10 16:50:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Cadiz
Edited by: Cadiz on 09/09/2006 04:07:18
Not being all pew-pew shooty-shooty at FIX these days makes me a bit sad; they were a real delight to cross swords with. Good allies are one thing and it is not-displeasing to work alongside them against A^3, but good enemies are truly worth their weight in gold - they're what make the game genuinely worthwhile, after all!
It is a truly delightful thing to have foes who you can unconditionally respect for their field conduct at the end of the day.
Ah well, FIX has richly earned whatever respite they have; we put them through one hell of a ringer before the 9CG debacle. Glad to hear that things are well on the way with them these days - now all you guys need to do is start putting more pressure on that 4-07MU 10/10.
You wish, we won't give up that complex 
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Sheppard
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:06:00 -
[79]
The Fix Saga
Author: Avernus
Gripping, jaw clenching - 5 star from The Tomes
Keeps you on the edge of your seat - The independont
Release date 1st September from all good stockists.
WHERES MY BOOK AV!!!!
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Vegas
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:49:00 -
[80]
So Fix have basically become the CFS?
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Originally by: Mokelo
Just browsing the killboards and wow someone just got owned.
Originally by: Ulynidd
Yes you got owned for posting with an alt.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:10:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Sheppard
The Fix Saga
Author: Avernus
Gripping, jaw clenching - 5 star from The Tomes
Keeps you on the edge of your seat - The independont
Release date 1st September from all good stockists.
WHERES MY BOOK AV!!!!
Man I swear I've still got it in mind to write the rest of it! Atm though I have real deadlines to meet (Oddly enough it happens to be in Publishing). I've been in crunch mode for the last 4 days or so... I'm having my lunch atm however, gives me time to read up here.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:11:00 -
[82]
Vegas; from somebody who was in the CFS, I can answer that with a definative no.
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Elendar
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.09.12 10:37:00 -
[83]
Vassal state is exactly it, exactly the same as xelas in fountain
small alliance not allowed to grow too strong again is kept there to handle the day to day defence of the region, allowing big alliance to claim it as theirs without having to invest too much time/effort/people into the area
seems to work well
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.12 15:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Elendar
Vassal state is exactly it, exactly the same as xelas in fountain
small alliance not allowed to grow too strong again is kept there to handle the day to day defence of the region, allowing big alliance to claim it as theirs without having to invest too much time/effort/people into the area
seems to work well
WTS Clue.
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:46:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Elendar
Vassal state is exactly it, exactly the same as xelas in fountain
small alliance not allowed to grow too strong again is kept there to handle the day to day defence of the region, allowing big alliance to claim it as theirs without having to invest too much time/effort/people into the area
seems to work well
I'd wager the vast majority of resources being extracted from Querious are flowing into FIX's coffers. BoB gets a whole friendly alliance helping to defend their eastern flank & a steady trickle of free income. Other alliances have to consider the potential for ending up in a war with BoB if they try and defeat FIX in Querious. That's a symbiotic relationship if I ever saw one. You place a high market value on a name on a map, sister? Pride doesn't build warships...
On to the quantifiable: Primary definition of Vassal from dictionary.com is "(in the feudal system) a person granted the use of land, in return for rendering homage, fealty, and usually military service or its equivalent to a lord or other superior; feudal tenant."
Lets see. AFAIK, FIX is granted use of querious, true, but no homage other than the mutual respect of warriors has been tendered, no oath of fealty taken, and FIX's military retains its independence and has no place within BoB's military heirarchy. This means that to call FIX a "Vassal State" is pure spin-doctored BS, and objectively incorrect. Next subject.
- KQ
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Haruko Red
Caldari
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.12 21:05:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Haruko Red on 12/09/2006 21:06:40
I have another analogy: FIX live in NPC stations. They dont claim anything (so they risk nothing), but can live in 0.0 that way.
One can't wipe them out, until he wipe out BoB. But if one can wipe out BoB, I have a strong doubt in FIX future.
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XoPhyte
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.13 00:46:00 -
[87]
As I look at most of the people "flaming" FIX and their arrangement with BOB, I try to find the areas that they control on the alliance maps.... hmm, still looking....
I have not had to fight FIX, but I have seen them in action. If you want to underestimate them go ahead, I wouldn't.
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Red Horseman
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.14 12:07:00 -
[88]
I am not, nor have ever been a member of FIX. But I was in Huzzah when we invaded FIX with the help of SA and some others I can't remember anymore. Anyhow, after we took all of FIX's stations (SA did hold the station in 9cg for a short period), BoB showed up and took 9cg in their own name. (GF's all around btw)
That's what happened. For a while after that, Querious was pretty empty. I remember taking the route through Querious to get to empire because there were fewer hostiles than going up thru Catch or Providence.
That said, I haven't been in Querious much lately, as AAA pecker-slapped us out of that particular area. I can't offer any information as to the current state of things there, though the analogy of FIX as BoB's vassal seems pretty accurate from what I've heard.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.15 00:05:00 -
[89]
Originally by: XoPhyte
As I look at most of the people "flaming" FIX and their arrangement with BOB, I try to find the areas that they control on the alliance maps.... hmm, still looking....
I have not had to fight FIX, but I have seen them in action. If you want to underestimate them go ahead, I wouldn't.
Yeah , my thoughs , funny how silly litte pewees who left or got washed out of their alliances are trying to throw mud at FIX and call them mining b****S . As some one said in that post come to their space and feel their mining hammers if u dare , bunch of smack talking cowards realy.
This is not aimed at the OP btw but to some muppets in this post.
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Michuh
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.15 15:37:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
4. FIX will not recruit loads of small corporations and dilute its leadership structure. BoB will keep oversight to ensure that FIX's leadership stays streamlined and able to deal with possible future crises.
Sounds like fun..
But seriously.. Letting someone else worry about the sovereignty sounds like a lot less work ;)
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.15 15:50:00 -
[91]
So Av I set aside sat for yee . U gonna be around? ......
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Selpy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.15 19:08:00 -
[92]
Originally by: SwindonBadger
So Av I set aside sat for yee . U gonna be around? ......
ohhh, still gonna wait for me swin?
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