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Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [1] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: The more taxes, replacement cost/fuel you have to consider on base prices the more expensive they will get but, it's not an option. Wait a littel bit, keep producing your stuff and leave it on your hangars, prices will probably become interesting in a few days/weeks I agree on the stockpiling - that alone makes it a self fulfilling prophecy! :) Still PI prices are crazy - there is no way I can maintain current price levels when you consider 1) The price increase 2) The fact that some items must be shipped to different planets for advanced/high tech manufacturing, thus paying tax again - import and export and 3) Customs offices which if not owned by me, will cause me to be gouged by the owning corp and if owned by me, will cost me bribe money to not have them blown up. I understand that with DUST looming CCP wants to give us a reason to fight over planets. Up to now PI has been somewhat of a side-show. However this fundamental game changer is going to re-shape the entire EVE economy and also the whole point of the game. Before it was about grinding sov. Now it's about running to protect planets. Anyone still want to play?
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:55:00 - [2] - Quote Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote Endovior wrote: Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways. But holding a POS is different. A POS has guns and thus is (fairly) immune to small ships. And a system with sov has cyno jammers, so there will be no big ships until the cyno jammer is taken out. That means only one thing to defend in a system. Customs offices have no guns. So unless you're prepared to camp all your customs offices, prepare to run all over null sec responding to attack notifications...
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:10:00 - [4] - Quote Cloora wrote: All you people that think random gankers can take out a POCO are smoking crack. They have 10 million shield hp. So slightly less than a caldari small tower? And no RESISTS? YUMMM. 10 million hp is nothing.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:23:00 - [5] - Quote Cloora wrote: Come take out my POCOs then if you think it's nothing. I'm sure someone will. Small tower evictions happen all the time, and it doesn't take supercaps to do it.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:25:00 - [6] - Quote Kietay Ayari wrote: So unless higher end goods go up a lot more than lower end goods it won't matter for my type of PI. It's a fixed percentage, so prices will be going up evenly across the board. I wouldn't rush out to sell your broadcast nodes for 1 million each right now... Edit: Better yet - planetary launches are MORE expensive than the concord/interbus rates
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:25:00 - [7] - Quote Ingvar Angst wrote: There's practically no benefits at all to wormholes... it's pure expense. Why? You'd think that if you're the only one in your wormhole it would make sense to pop the interbus customs offices and anchor your own, and set yourself a zero tax rate. Yeah it would be a PITA and a lot of up front expense, but after that no more tax. No one is going to go pop people's customs offices in wormholes unless they seriously plan on moving in.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:47:00 - [8] - Quote pmchem wrote: No: the cost is passed on to the consumer. Yeah, and at one point the consumer stops flying. It's called "demand destruction".
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:30:00 - [9] - Quote Vio Geraci wrote: It's not inflation, it's price increases. There's quite a difference, there. in-+fla-+tion [in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics . a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency ( opposed to deflation). Derp. No, it's not inflation. It's price increases. Hey are you American by any chance?
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.30 06:45:00 - [10] - Quote Vio Geraci wrote: Ptraci wrote: Vio Geraci wrote: It's not inflation, it's price increases. There's quite a difference, there. in-+fla-+tion [in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics . a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency ( opposed to deflation). Derp. No, it's not inflation. It's price increases. Hey are you American by any chance? Would you say that these increasing costs are due to a surfeit of currency in the economy (per the inflation definition you just pasted) or would you say it's more related to the increases in the cost procuring those materials? You didn't even read the definition you pasted, did you? Would you say that billions of ISK sitting in people's bank accounts doing nothing is part of the economy? Or do rising prices cause people to spend more thus expanding the money supply? Oh dear oh dear. I DO understand the situation very well. Money idling in someone's wallet is not part of the economy, just like money in unsubbed accounts is not part of the economy. But when people have an excuse to shove more ISK into the system, you will see fireworks. And yes it is inflation. Vio Geraci wrote: I can just picture your fat, sweaty fingers gleefully hitting the keys to copy and paste that definition. In my imagination, a single trickle of sweat washes over your eyes right as you copied that text, preventing you from noticing that inflation is not, in fact, what you think it is. Nice masterstroke, pal ^____^ lol goons. I am neither fat nor sweaty but hey, I wouldn't want to dash your fantasies. By all means continue.

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