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Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 218	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:47:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy? MM Bombers, Best Bombers Remove Drone Poo.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 297	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:48:00 - [2] - Quote Kietay Ayari wrote: This really surprised me too. I was able to make around 500-800m a month in highsec doing production only but now it will be closer to 100-300 o_o Kind of not really worth it anymore. People say the prices might go up and that could be true, but if the prices go up all around that does not help the production only people. The ratios between buying and selling will still be the same probably D: Thing is that less offer will be available, more iskies you'll get from what you do. The more taxes, replacement cost/fuel you have to consider on base prices the more expensive they will get but, it's not an option. Wait a littel bit, keep producing your stuff and leave it on your hangars, prices will probably become interesting in a few days/weeks
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 297	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:49:00 - [3] - Quote Denidil wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy? It's good And you what do you think it will do to the economy since you seem to have some point of view?
Linka Romanov Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:50:00 - [4] - Quote Denidil wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy? Prices will adjust to account for the new taxes, players will gravitate towards low tax alternative POCOs, and there will be an actual incentive to go to lowsec/nullsec. Life will go on. If anything, this adds a much needed isk sink to highsec, as all of that isk paid to interbus/concord is leaving the economy.
Endovior Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing 62	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Thanks for the confirmation. Wish you'd been more explicit about this beforehand.
Linka Romanov Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:52:00 - [6] - Quote Ingvar Angst wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Confirming it was a bad idea and you screwed up. Well, if there's one way you're sure to convince the one developer who can revert the change you don't like, it's yelling at him and throwing a tantrum! Care to offer a well-reasoned argument as to why the change is bad for the economy?
Teamosil Good Time Family Band Solution 57	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:52:00 - [7] - Quote Kal'ar Rinah wrote: but i have to say that it is in direct odds with what the dev blogs on PI have stated and there was nothing in the patch notes at all about the price increase you've got one dev blog that was advertised and pushed forward for attention that states that to keep costs as they were set the tax rate to 5% and then a wiki entry (which i haven't seen posted anywhere before this thread ) stating something completely different Yeah, agreed about that. Kal'ar Rinah wrote: also my main concern now is if they update the tax values on a monthly (or bi-monthly) basis then PI costs could very easily spiral out of control.. If they did that it would be ensured to spiral out of control. The market will raise prices by 17% to accomodate the new tax, then they'd update base prices to the new price, it'd go up another 17% to accomodate the tax again, and they'd update the base to the new prices, and so on...
Malcom Dax Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice So its working as intended. I honestly hope that sometime soon(tm) you change your intentions. Taxes of this magnitude will kill high-sec PI. Or is the idea behind this to drive PI out to low-sec where taxes can (not necessarily will) be cheaper? Blacklight Incorporated: Recruiting now for PvP and Industry.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [9] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: The more taxes, replacement cost/fuel you have to consider on base prices the more expensive they will get but, it's not an option. Wait a littel bit, keep producing your stuff and leave it on your hangars, prices will probably become interesting in a few days/weeks I agree on the stockpiling - that alone makes it a self fulfilling prophecy! :) Still PI prices are crazy - there is no way I can maintain current price levels when you consider 1) The price increase 2) The fact that some items must be shipped to different planets for advanced/high tech manufacturing, thus paying tax again - import and export and 3) Customs offices which if not owned by me, will cause me to be gouged by the owning corp and if owned by me, will cost me bribe money to not have them blown up. I understand that with DUST looming CCP wants to give us a reason to fight over planets. Up to now PI has been somewhat of a side-show. However this fundamental game changer is going to re-shape the entire EVE economy and also the whole point of the game. Before it was about grinding sov. Now it's about running to protect planets. Anyone still want to play?
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Provisions Caldari State 33	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [10] - Quote Denidil wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy? Oh, did you ever stop to think that they gave it much consideration? People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?" Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money. -Gene Simmons
Mara Tessidar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 245	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:54:00 - [11] - Quote AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus http://goo.gl/uX5vk
Mara Tessidar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 245	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:54:00 - [12] - Quote I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus http://goo.gl/uX5vk
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:55:00 - [13] - Quote Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids.
Endovior Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing 62	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:58:00 - [14] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids. Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways.
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 43	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:59:00 - [15] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids. God forbid. Goons will now have to fight to keep their free isk printer in nullsec alive.
Ingvar Angst Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United 589	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:00:00 - [16] - Quote Endovior wrote: Ptraci wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids. Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways. You realize there's a difference between an armed structure and a floating target, yes? Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:00:00 - [17] - Quote Endovior wrote: Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways. But holding a POS is different. A POS has guns and thus is (fairly) immune to small ships. And a system with sov has cyno jammers, so there will be no big ships until the cyno jammer is taken out. That means only one thing to defend in a system. Customs offices have no guns. So unless you're prepared to camp all your customs offices, prepare to run all over null sec responding to attack notifications...
Vincent Gaines 179	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:00:00 - [18] - Quote Hisec, higher taxes. lowsec and null, lower taxes This is a good thing.
Teamosil Good Time Family Band Solution 57	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:04:00 - [19] - Quote Halcyon Ingenium wrote: Oh, did you ever stop to think that they gave it much consideration? The fact that the dev who made the blog post about it doesn't seem to have even been aware they were changing it makes me doubt it was thoroughly contemplated. But, I actually think it's a good thing. Driving people out of hi sec and encouraging turf wars in low sec over POCOs are both probably good things.
Jim Hooknose Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:05:00 - [20] - Quote Was going to keep Eve subbed while I played another mmo, but with the changes to PI, I won't be. Thanks CCP for making this decision easier and saving me $45 a month.
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate 35	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote All you whiners are idiots. As someone who lives in low sec and has 4 characters with 5-6 planets each, I applaud and welcome these changes. We are going to siege up our new buffed T2 siege module dreads and pop us some customs offices and set up our own. All you people that think random gankers can take out a POCO are smoking crack. They have 10 million shield hp. This is the best thing to happen to small alliances. Large alliances won't drop thier newly nerfed supers on low sec POCOs that they don't care about. More PVP is good. This change is good. Us non sov holding corps and alliances now have something to fight over. CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Jita Alt666 595	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:09:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Thank you for implementing a solid system. This is a nice example of risk being rewarded and risk aversion being shunned.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 208	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:10:00 - [23] - Quote Cloora wrote: All you people that think random gankers can take out a POCO are smoking crack. They have 10 million shield hp. So slightly less than a caldari small tower? And no RESISTS? YUMMM. 10 million hp is nothing.
Famble Three's a Crowd 105	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:11:00 - [24] - Quote Near as I can tell, my costs will go up n%. As such, my prices will go up to match and I'm in the same profit boat as before. The only change to my routine is that I'll simply hold off putting my goods on market for a few months till I see just how high the new price will be. It's no different than real life, you tax a business more, they simply pass their increased costs on to the consumer. In the end, nothing changes for them(me). If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 195	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:13:00 - [25] - Quote K Suri wrote: Ptraci wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids. God forbid. Goons will now have to fight to keep their free isk printer in nullsec alive. What, there's been a change to our tech?
Mara Tessidar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 245	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:13:00 - [26] - Quote Cloora wrote: All you people that think random gankers can take out a POCO are smoking crack. They have 10 million shield hp. Goons goons goons Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus http://goo.gl/uX5vk
Jita Alt666 595	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:14:00 - [27] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit. No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids. You have never flown in a "raid" have you? 10mil SP that regens at 1000hp/ps that has a reinforce timer that is set up by the owner is a rather large "raid". Time for you to learn how to play with others me thinks.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:14:00 - [28] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Thank you for implementing a solid system. This is a nice example of risk being rewarded and risk aversion being shunned. Unless you own a POS is lowsec. Risk you always had AND higher operating cost. Win/win right?
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate 35	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:15:00 - [29] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Cloora wrote: All you people that think random gankers can take out a POCO are smoking crack. They have 10 million shield hp. So slightly less than a caldari small tower? And no RESISTS? YUMMM. 10 million hp is nothing. Come take out my POCOs then if you think it's nothing. CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries 98	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:16:00 - [30] - Quote Consequence of that new mechanism will be that small indy corps can no longer survive on their own (at least if they are into t2 production). Oh. Somehow, I am happy now. Really happy. The old bitterness is finally back. Welcome back, old friend, missed you so much..... ...THEN WHO WAS PHOON?

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