Ugh... I must have been unclear. Apologies there.

Stick with the tax rate being too high. The thing is, there won't be much if any recoupment in wormholes because, let's face it, having the tax rate at anything higher than zero percent is simply screwing your corp members or alliance members. Even 1% with these new calculations are a marked increase in taxes. So it's not that the taxes are too low to recoup the expense, it's that you're not going to be screwing your own people to do that. Well... some may, good luck to their future as a corp, but that's a different issue.

The point stands, the PCOs are purely (regarding wormholes for sure) a worthless, unneeded and unnecessary added expense with no actual benefits being realized from the inhabitants. Even with a zero tax, it would be many, many months before the tax savings would ever catch up to the expense, especially when you consider the original taxes that were being paid, which is what the comparison is and should be based upon.

You just said it yourself: there is a benefit to owning your own POCO, because you can give yourself and your corporation favorable tax rates. This means there is now a benefit to owning space, because it gives you a competitive advantage against users who have to pay CONCORD taxes in highsec. This drives conflict, and introduces a new "Landlord" playstyle that didn't exist previously.

It sounds like you mostly live in a wormhole, meaning the tax change will impact you even less than the vast majority of players, because it's very unlikely someone is going to be bothered to get together a fleet, probe out your hole, reinforce your POCO, sit around for 24 hours+, and then nuke it after reinforced. This allows you to effectively get your PI goods 10% or more cheaper than the rest of the player base, because you can set your own taxes to 0%, providing you with a sizeable discount to your POS costs.

The fact that you are so bothered by the new taxes means that the developers have done an adequate job of incentivizing the use of the new POCOs. If taxes were the pittance they were previously, no one would bother with the hassle of setting up a POCO, and we would have a shallower game as a result.

The "benefit" is forced. It's an illusion of a benefit simply because it's the only way around the now exhorborant taxes for PI importing/exporting that Nullabor, in his infinite "wisdom", crammed down the communities throats to push an idea that he's to emotionally attached to to realize it actually adds nothing to the game. The problem is that if you don't use one of these contraptions on every planet in your hole you're now being penalized... and to put one up you're being penalized heavily in a front-loaded fashion. You're right and you're wrong... in wormholes the tax change right now has a huge effect, costs are through the roof on exports/imports, but once the contraptions are up the tax rate will be set to zero so we'll basically see no gain whatsoever. When you consider the taxes we were paying before the expansion it'll be a significant number of months before the tax savings (old rates) pay for the added expenses of the PCOs. Wormholes are impacted amongst the most simply because they receive no actual benefits to them at all.

I'd argue the PCOs make it a shallower game by forcing a useless expense on players that will ultimate drive up costs, reduce low sec PvP and eventually become an annoyance item offering little to no benefits unless you're the mega-alliance type that can force your underlings to use them at the tax rate you determine.

This is why all you carebears need to enjoy PvP also to understand why this is a good change.

I am a HUGE carebear but love PvP. I just bought a POCO for 120 million and all the upgrade components. I now get to shoot down an Interbus CO with my Alliance exposing us to potential PvP and risk. Then I get to set up our own POCO and we have to defend it exposing us to more potential conflict. THEN I get to set the taxes to my friends and enemies and potentially **** someone off and maybe get more PvP out of this! And if I set up my POCO at a well used planet I will get some extra income to pay for the potential risk. And I get my PI mats off planet for free.

If high sec ones were cheap then no one would bother with low sec.

This was a needed buff to low sec and PvP and all you whiners need to quit EvE and go farm in LOTRO instead.

This is the best change of the patch and adds more sand to the sandbox.

C'mon, who you kidding? You really expect us to buy this line of crap? How many of these mythical defense fleets do you expect to lose to a larger force that jumped you when you took the bait of your PCO being attacked before people decide it's not worth it? How many PCOs do you think you'll lose before you realize it's not worth it? How many times do you think you can mobilize your alliance to defend one of your structures that you put up in what, low sec? that only benefits your corp wallet before they decide it's not worth defending your structure?

Seriously now, think about it. PCOs are bait for you to bite into and die on the hook of. Anyone in low that's seriously looking to blow some ships simply needs to have a small force start attacking the PCO, wait for you all to arrive then send the large force in to eradicate you.

Even if you're particular alliance manages to pull it off once or twice, how many others will find it worthwhile, be able to muster enough people willing to lose their ships to PCO traps before they give up?

Seriuosly. You're either deluding yourself or trying to delude others.

That works both ways.

POCO's serve as shiney lures all over space to draw in people trying to pop them.

Not that they appear to be very effective at that... so far custom offices of all types appear to be largely ignored.

Has anyone spotted the predicted mass extermination of these things yet?

Don't know about empire space, but I already have a couple gantries in the hole with the upgrade materials so we'll be putting these overpriced Interbus pieces of crap out of our misery soon enough. Then of course the tax rate will be zero for corp and alliance to avoid CCP continuing to screw us on the taxes, which means it'll be months before we save enough in taxes (compared to the old rates) for these to even be worth it.

Wasted isk, that's all it is. Wasted isk.

Personally I'd make the tax rate comparable to Empire until the POCO has paid for itself, then reduce the tax to zero if you prefer. Or use it as an additional modest revenue stream for your corp.

Remember CCP isn't screwing you on taxes when you pay them to yourself. In fact, the higher tax rate in Empire (and the corresponding increase in market prices to compensate) means you will actually be making (saving) more money than ever before compared to everyone else.

This is why all you carebears need to enjoy PvP also to understand why this is a good change.

I am a HUGE carebear but love PvP. I just bought a POCO for 120 million and all the upgrade components. I now get to shoot down an Interbus CO with my Alliance exposing us to potential PvP and risk. Then I get to set up our own POCO and we have to defend it exposing us to more potential conflict. THEN I get to set the taxes to my friends and enemies and potentially **** someone off and maybe get more PvP out of this! And if I set up my POCO at a well used planet I will get some extra income to pay for the potential risk. And I get my PI mats off planet for free.

If high sec ones were cheap then no one would bother with low sec.

This was a needed buff to low sec and PvP and all you whiners need to quit EvE and go farm in LOTRO instead.

This is the best change of the patch and adds more sand to the sandbox.

did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy?

Yes this is great for Alliances who can muster blobs, so all of the rest of us Non-Alliance carebears are now forced to play your way?

KOTOR is in Beta right now I hear.

It will utterly destroy the economy. Much like the introduction of NPC corp taxes did. (I do miss those threadnaughts).

Wait...What's that I hear? EVE didn't collapse? The economy muddled through just fine?

I guess all you doom and gloomers have your answer, then.

HTFU, yo!

Mr Epeen

Not really, since KOTOR was released in 2003. I think you mean SW:TOR.

did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy?

Your Idea of PVP is 20 to 1

Yes this is great for Alliances who can muster blobs, so all of the rest of us Non-Alliance carebears are now forced to play your way?

Taxes are lower in low sec then high sec

Please explain this to the people who CCP laid off because they didn't listen to the player base.

This is the best change of the patch and adds more sand to the sandbox.

You does not equal the playerbase. You are a whiney minority.

Confirming glad to see that Ingvar's "hole" got temp nerfed and that in my opinion he is whining close to that of the pirates when CONCORD got buffed.

And VERY VERY VERY glad to say to you for once.

WORKING AS INTENDED!

See you once they implement cloaking changes!

Enjoy your abundant supply of highly valuable pi materials.

Well.

No fun no Gé¼uros.

High sec planets have nothing, low sec planets either.

High sec is NPC like low sec (as faction sovereignity), so the all planets must be NPC.
When we want to put a pos on low sec, we-¦ve got to have standings with that faction, isnt it?

I will disassemble my pos-¦s, i will refuse to pay those values.

One of my accounts expire today and i will not pay it again.

When CCP transfer the T2 for null sec as they are planning, i want to see the number of players decreasing.

Keep on good working cuting your income instead raising it.

When you consider the taxes we were paying before the expansion it'll be a significant number of months before the tax savings (old rates) pay for the added expenses of the PCOs. Wormholes are impacted amongst the most simply because they receive no actual benefits to them at all.

As a matter of importance, is their any facility to transfer ownership of orbital stations implemented?