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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:03:00 -
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Someone go find it and tell me how awesome it is. Thanks. |

Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:00:00 -
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Unfortanutely, I cannot scan caldari space while playing Skyrim 
I'll check later on tonight though, wanna see all the shiney changes. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has angered numerous people for many different reasons and is widely considered as a 'bad move'. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:11:00 -
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Kilrayn wrote:Unfortanutely, I cannot scan caldari space while playing Skyrim  I'll check later on tonight though, wanna see all the shiney changes.
Same. I took a long enough break from Skyrim for Arkham City.
Post pics please GÖÑ |

Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:13:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Someone go find it and tell me how awesome it is. Thanks. In your own words: Go explore! 
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:15:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Someone go find it and tell me how awesome it is. Thanks. In your own words: Go explore! 
I'm just so busy exploring Skyrim right now. |

Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:20:00 -
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Found one. Got SS's of most info and all rooms. MWD does not work, and gates seemed to be locked, I only reached the gate in 1 room before destroying the room though (due to mwd not working ), so can't say for absolutely sure. All the first rooms are frigs, 1 cruiser in last room, and he was not the overeer. Overseer was a rat with a bugged name, something like [ID 224573], but it was a frig.
I don't use photobucket, or spacebook, but I do have the SS's if anyone is willing to link me an easy way to post them. That would be greatly appreciated. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has angered numerous people for many different reasons and is widely considered as a 'bad move'. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:38:00 -
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Kilrayn wrote:Found one. Got SS's of most info and all rooms. MWD does not work, and gates seemed to be locked, I only reached the gate in 1 room before destroying the room though (due to mwd not working  ), so can't say for absolutely sure. All the first rooms are frigs, 1 cruiser in last room, and he was not the overeer. Overseer was a rat with a bugged name, something like [ID 224573], but it was a frig. I don't use photobucket, or spacebook, but I do have the SS's if anyone is willing to link me an easy way to post them. That would be greatly appreciated.
Woo. Get the infamous Pithii A-type booster? I'm gonna guess no since you didn't mention it 
If you still want to upload pics, use imgur.com. Screenshots should be saved in your Documents/Eve/Capture folder or something to that effect. Drag and drop on imgur, upload, and copy/paste the link here. |

Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:19:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Kilrayn wrote:Found one. Got SS's of most info and all rooms. MWD does not work, and gates seemed to be locked, I only reached the gate in 1 room before destroying the room though (due to mwd not working  ), so can't say for absolutely sure. All the first rooms are frigs, 1 cruiser in last room, and he was not the overeer. Overseer was a rat with a bugged name, something like [ID 224573], but it was a frig. I don't use photobucket, or spacebook, but I do have the SS's if anyone is willing to link me an easy way to post them. That would be greatly appreciated. Woo. Get the infamous Pithii A-type booster? I'm gonna guess no since you didn't mention it  If you still want to upload pics, use imgur.com. Screenshots should be saved in your Documents/Eve/Capture folder or something to that effect. Drag and drop on imgur, upload, and copy/paste the link here. OPE only of course Probably the rng reminding me who's in charge, lol.
Also, I'll get on imgur once I get home, pics are on home tower. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has angered numerous people for many different reasons and is widely considered as a 'bad move'. |

joomla alacard
Indifferent Bastards
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:33:00 -
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I found an Angel ded 3, and it was 5 or 6 rooms - i was able to take a battlecruiser in - I saw a similarly bugged overseer in the last room (an ID tag for a name), and even though it didn't drop any "never before seen modules," it dropped a jackpot; Daredevil BPC and a Domination Tracking Enhancer. Very cool end of the night for me, since: a) i've been wanting a daredevil for a while now, and b) the rest of the hour(s) of scanning highsec had resulted in one crap radar site and one crap mag site. |

MissileClub
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:40:00 -
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I found the (well, three) Angel 3/10 last night, got a Gistii A booster and AB. Also found two Angel 4/10. Just OSE though. |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:34:00 -
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joomla alacard wrote:I found an Angel ded 3, and it was 5 or 6 rooms - i was able to take a battlecruiser in - I saw a similarly bugged overseer in the last room (an ID tag for a name), and even though it didn't drop any "never before seen modules," it dropped a jackpot; Daredevil BPC and a Domination Tracking Enhancer. Very cool end of the night for me, since: a) i've been wanting a daredevil for a while now, and b) the rest of the hour(s) of scanning highsec had resulted in one crap radar site and one crap mag site.
A Daredevil BPC is a glitch in an Angel site. They should be coming out of Serp sites. Drams are what Angels are supposed to drop. Was that a typo or do the loot tables need looking into? |

iKill Giants
Celerna Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:09:00 -
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Also found the Angels 4/10, within minutes of first logging on to Crucible. Sadly, I was in a Jaguar, so I couldn't break the Domination Excavator's tank. |

joomla alacard
Indifferent Bastards
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:31:00 -
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After finally finding some detailed info on the complex through a post on some german eve-scanning site; long story short, the daredevil bpc dropping does not seem like a loot table glitch.
In case you don't want to follow the link:
Quote:To the frustration of the Minmatar Republic, the Angel Cartel quietly enjoys a great deal of success with piracy throughout Republic space. A contributing factor to the Angel's ubiquity is their ability to repurpose as small outposts transition camps.
A Domination Grigori is sent with a small frigate wing to clear out a minor smuggler outpost. Once temporary fortifications are made, the location is further masked with a series of interference broadcasts designed to confound Republic sensors.
DED Threat Assessment: 3 of 10 That was the text in the warp-in pop-up.
Come to think of it, the overseer itself looked like a daredevil in the brief moment I saw it before it blinked out of existence. I would've thoroughly finished the site, but; A) it was like 15 min until downtime, and B) i freaked when i saw a proteus on d-scan as I was warping into the final room, and only quickly glanced for the unique name to shoot on overview and immediately burned towards the (soon-to-be)wreck.
That having been said, I think I may just make my first entry/entries on the eve-wiki(s). |

Cartak Pendragon
Among the Shadows Takahashi Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:22:00 -
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I forget what it was called, but: 5-6 rooms 15-20 frigates, 1-4 sentry guns last room had a bugged named frigate which was a Dread Guristas Irregular got t7 OPE and nothing worth mentioning |

Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:34:00 -
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reserved for incoming SS's In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has angered numerous people for many different reasons and is widely considered as a 'bad move'. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:01:00 -
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GÖÑ |

Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 11:57:00 -
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I ran this site twice so far, first time I got Pithi A-type SSB plus DG Rocket Launcher, second time only OPE.
I think this loot is seriously unbalanced regarding the difficulty of the site. Before this patch you had to go to lowsec to get A-type stuff and the sites there require a well-fitted/skilled ship, now a 2 week old noob in a T1 cruiser can farm A-types in hisec. I would be very surprised if this won't have a significant effect on the prices.
I understand that CCP wants their new sites to drop good stuff so we get all excited about them but I'd say the maximum a hisec 3/10 should be able to drop is small C-type stuff, that would be in line with the med C-types from the old 4/10s. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:20:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:I understand that CCP wants their new sites to drop good stuff so we get all excited about them but I'd say the maximum a hisec 3/10 should be able to drop is small C-type stuff, that would be in line with the med C-types from the old 4/10s.
The difference being one is small a-type and the other medium c-type. It's just because of half of EVE running shield and t3's why boosters are that pricey. Go do some 3/10's where armor stuff drops, you will find the value quite different. They will prolly also be coming down in price now (the small boosters), maybe even so much that droprates will be altered. We will see.
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Laskeuma
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:43:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:I understand that CCP wants their new sites to drop good stuff so we get all excited about them but I'd say the maximum a hisec 3/10 should be able to drop is small C-type stuff, that would be in line with the med C-types from the old 4/10s. The difference being one is small a-type and the other medium c-type. It's just because of half of EVE running shield and t3's why boosters are that pricey. Go do some 3/10's where armor stuff drops, you will find the value quite different. They will prolly also be coming down in price now (the small boosters), maybe even so much that droprates will be altered. We will see.
this, when I was new to eve I used to do exploration around in sepr space, got onyl armor stuff and didint make any isk from it (since its all like 20mil max)
then I came to my senses and jumped into angel / guritas space. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:43:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:I ran this site twice so far, first time I got Pithi A-type SSB plus DG Rocket Launcher, second time only OPE.
I think this loot is seriously unbalanced regarding the difficulty of the site. Before this patch you had to go to lowsec to get A-type stuff and the sites there require a well-fitted/skilled ship, now a 2 week old noob in a T1 cruiser can farm A-types in hisec. I would be very surprised if this won't have a significant effect on the prices.
I understand that CCP wants their new sites to drop good stuff so we get all excited about them but I'd say the maximum a hisec 3/10 should be able to drop is small C-type stuff, that would be in line with the med C-types from the old 4/10s.
Players set the price unfortunately.
A-type small reps have been available from Sansha 3/10 for a long time. Unfortunately, boosters are where its at.
The price is going to drop on these things quite nicely and devalue them significantly, but I highly doubt a 2 week old noob is going to be able to "farm" these things. This site shares a signature strength with K162 wormholes, so even if you are specifically looking for it, it is still quite difficult to farm. |

Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:20:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:A-type small reps have been available from Sansha 3/10 for a long time. Unfortunately, boosters are where its at. OK, since I've only ever done serious exploration in Guristas/Angel territory I shouldn't make generalized statements about A-types and better limit the discussion to boosters.
What I'm worried about is that risk vs. reward of this new Guristas 3/10 is seriously out of line compared to the other Guristas sites. The old 4/10 is much harder to run, yet the best loot is worth significantly less. (A-type SSB vs. C-type MSB) The old way to get the same A-type SSBs is to chase escalation chains into lowsec, which is much more difficult than this new hisec plex. So I think a more balanced reward for the 3/10 would be a C-type SSB.
Quote:I highly doubt a 2 week old noob is going to be able to "farm" these things. This site shares a signature strength with K162 wormholes, so even if you are specifically looking for it, it is still quite difficult to farm. It's been a while since I had noob scanning skills/equipment, but I don't recall K162s to be particularly hard to scan. But anyway, my point is the imbalance with other sites of similar rewards which a noob wouldn't even remotely be able to run. So unless CCP wants to devalue the mods it's not a good idea to make them so easily available.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:53:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:
What I'm worried about is that risk vs. reward of this new Guristas 3/10 is seriously out of line compared to the other Guristas sites. The old 4/10 is much harder to run, yet the best loot is worth significantly less. (A-type SSB vs. C-type MSB) The old way to get the same A-type SSBs is to chase escalation chains into lowsec, which is much more difficult than this new hisec plex. So I think a more balanced reward for the 3/10 would be a C-type SSB.
C-type small is reserved for DED 1/10 and Hideouts.
Point being though, the price is going to drop significantly as people run this site. Thus the reward will drop for the now decreased risk. TBH the risk before was quite low (watch involved sniping a destroyer, vigil involved a station shoot that had a super low chance of dropping anything).
Players set the price though. It comes down to us. We determine what is valuable and what is not based on our demands. With that said, as supply increases steadily (and now this highly demanded item is very easy to get), prices will fall and thus the risk/reward ratio will be stabilized.
Think about this. The Pithum C-type booster is worth what? 400 mil? Imagine if that only dropped in low sec from the final escalation of Provisional Outpost. It would probably be worth more than the Pithum A-type Booster (which sits around 1 billion) simply because of the risk/demand factors. However, since it is also available in high/low sec DED 4/10, price is significantly lower than that hypothetical amount.
tl;dr prices will drop, mark my words
Quote:It's been a while since I had noob scanning skills/equipment, but I don't recall K162s to be particularly hard to scan. But anyway, my point is the imbalance with other sites of similar rewards which a noob wouldn't even remotely be able to run. So unless CCP wants to devalue the mods it's not a good idea to make them so easily available.
The point I was making is that as this site shares the signature strength of K162 and K162s are in ridiculous abundance in high sec due to WH dwellers with static high sec holes, it will be rather difficult to "filter" and farm this site (same applies to Lookout, but who wants to farm that).
Noobs may stumble upon this site and strike it rich. Thats great! Thats as it should be. But again, as I said, the price is going to drop significantly to reflect the new supply source. |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:20:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:The old 4/10 is much harder to run, yet the best loot is worth significantly less. (A-type SSB vs. C-type MSB) The old way to get the same A-type SSBs is to chase escalation chains into lowsec, which is much more difficult than this new hisec plex. So I think a more balanced reward for the 3/10 would be a C-type SSB.
It's amazing to me how many people don't realize that there's a direct correlation between DED ratings and deadspace drops. Guristas 3/10 means Pithi A-type drops, period.
Emperor Salazar wrote:Noobs may stumble upon this site and strike it rich. Thats great! Thats as it should be. But again, as I said, the price is going to drop significantly to reflect the new supply source.
And this is all a good thing. Pithi boosters have been out of whack for ages; this will pull them (more) in line with other small A-type modules. And it's hard to begrudge the noob explorer who stumbles on one out of nowhere. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:33:00 -
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I was actually looking for your post there (and failing that, had considered typing it all up but ::effort::).
I agree with you that this is all for the best. 600+ million isk for going to low sec after a high sec escalation and sniping a destroyer was  |

1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:58:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:I ran this site twice so far, first time I got Pithi A-type SSB plus DG Rocket Launcher, second time only OPE.
I think this loot is seriously unbalanced regarding the difficulty of the site. Before this patch you had to go to lowsec to get A-type stuff and the sites there require a well-fitted/skilled ship, now a 2 week old noob in a T1 cruiser can farm A-types in hisec. I would be very surprised if this won't have a significant effect on the prices.
I understand that CCP wants their new sites to drop good stuff so we get all excited about them but I'd say the maximum a hisec 3/10 should be able to drop is small C-type stuff, that would be in line with the med C-types from the old 4/10s. Players set the price unfortunately. A-type small reps have been available from Sansha 3/10 for a long time. Unfortunately, boosters are where its at. The price is going to drop on these things quite nicely and devalue them significantly, but I highly doubt a 2 week old noob is going to be able to "farm" these things. This site shares a signature strength with K162 wormholes, so even if you are specifically looking for it, it is still quite difficult to farm.
Actually it shares the same strength as 4/10's (Bug me thinks) and not K162's, so if you use DSP's your in luck 
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:53:00 -
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1-Up Mushroom wrote:Actually it shares the same strength as 4/10's (Bug me thinks) and not K162's, so if you use DSP's your in luck 
If its showing up as that now, then its new.
Last I checked (3 months ago probably), Lookout, 3/10 and K162 shared the same strength. |

Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:02:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:I ran this site twice so far, first time I got Pithi A-type SSB plus DG Rocket Launcher, second time only OPE.
I think this loot is seriously unbalanced regarding the difficulty of the site. Before this patch you had to go to lowsec to get A-type stuff and the sites there require a well-fitted/skilled ship, now a 2 week old noob in a T1 cruiser can farm A-types in hisec. I would be very surprised if this won't have a significant effect on the prices.
I understand that CCP wants their new sites to drop good stuff so we get all excited about them but I'd say the maximum a hisec 3/10 should be able to drop is small C-type stuff, that would be in line with the med C-types from the old 4/10s.
i guess you missed the memo that was written when CCP first introduced exploration..
1/10 - C-type small HS 2/10 - B-type small HS 3/10 - A-type small HS
4/10 - C-type med HS/LS 5/10 - B-type med LS 6/10 - A-type med LS
7/10 - C-type large LS/null 8/10 - B-type large null 9/10 - A-type large null 10/10 - A/X-type large null
escalation plexes loosely fall in to the same brackets
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Black Beth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:49:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote: I think this loot is seriously unbalanced regarding the difficulty of the site. Before this patch you had to go to lowsec to get A-type stuff .
I'm sorry dude, but that's utter garbage. You've always been able to pick up 'i' A-Type small deadspace mods from 3/10s. That's what they drop :) Narcotics Warehouses and Command Relay Outposts have always dropped small A-Types.
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Black Beth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:51:00 -
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joomla alacard wrote:i was able to take a battlecruiser in
That needs sorting out fo sho.
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5nipe
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:21:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:I agree with you that this is all for the best. 600+ million isk for going to low sec after a high sec escalation and sniping a destroyer was 
Well, I remeber the time when A-type small SB was about 400 mils. Slowly, prices went up. Why? Guristas Watch excalation is quiet time consuming, and the chances you get thru to the last step in low sec is about 1/5. Drop rate of SB in is about 15% percent, so it is quiet rare occasion when you get it. Not to say low sec vouage is not something many hi sec explorers willing to do, especially thru possible low-sec entrance camps. If 3/10 drops price for A-Type to about 100 mils a peace, would I be even bothered with Guristas Watch. Sure thing I will not.
Therefore, if last step of Watch drops rare implantants, it makes sense again to go thru Watch escalation. But in this scenario CCP should adjust drop tables for other factions Watches/Vigils too.
It is all just about ISK/effort/risk ratio.
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