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LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 639	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:26:12 - [1] - Quote Well as a wormholler I had high hopes for Thera. But it turns out it turned into the usual docking games and high-sec hole-camping faggotry. People either fight at zero on the high holes, or play docking games. I am disappointed. Thera is a null/low playground after all. True wormholes are better.
Robert Sawyer Red Phoenix Rising Absolution Alliance 42	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:27:39 - [2] - Quote Yeah, but that's not the real problem. You shouldn't stay too much on the forums, every post attracts a lot of trolls and in general creates a huge shtstorm. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."*
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14169	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:27:41 - [3] - Quote What did you expect from a station? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 18299	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:27:45 - [4] - Quote Kills are always in high demand in EVE, and things will always shift to where the supply is. Friendship is the best ship. Sabriz for CSM go go go
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6962	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:28:06 - [5] - Quote If you actually thought it would be different, then you need a larger hat. That one cut off the oxygen to your brain. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:28:21 - [6] - Quote So ... uhm ... Grab your friends ... ... jump into tornados ... ... alpha the **** out of everyone? Edit: Could you guys (and Sibyyl!) please WAIT until I posted? Seriously! I open the thread and there's no response! By the time I click SEND you posted your crap before I did! That's unacceptable! Thanks!
Memphis Baas 2	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:28:31 - [7] - Quote Sorry, what exactly gave you "high hopes"? Cause I figured out this was going to happen from just reading the patch note line about Thera.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14169	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:30:50 - [8] - Quote Sol Project wrote: So ... uhm ... Grab your friends ... ... jump into tornados ... ... alpha the ** out of everyone? Edit: Could you guys please WAIT until I posted? Seriously! I open the thread and there's no response! By the time I click SEND you posted your crap before I did! That's unacceptable! Thanks! Thats what you get when you bolt on metal arms. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship**
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 639	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:33:31 - [9] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Sorry, what exactly gave you "high hopes"? Cause I figured out this was going to happen from just reading the patch note line about Thera. I dont know, guess I was optimistic.
Mag's the united 18302	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:39:26 - [10] - Quote It's early days, but I'm not in the least surprised. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Altirius Saldiaro Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 202	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:41:14 - [11] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Well as a wormholler I had high hopes for Thera. But it turns out it turned into the usual docking games and high-sec hole-camping faggotry. People either fight at zero on the high holes, or play docking games. Noone even thinks of camping true w-w connections - too dangerous and scary, who knows what could be on the other side! Wimps. I am disappointed. Thera is a null/low playground after all. True wormholes are better. As a wormholer, you should have known.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5808	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:41:58 - [12] - Quote As predicted. This is the only thing I fault CCP for. They say "we don't know what the players will do" and it's as if they never saw what the players did. This thread should be cross linked with the killmail addiction thread for more rounded illustration. More content I won't be bothering with for the sake of bothering with it but hey maybe something will come up in a few years. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 869	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:57:01 - [13] - Quote This topic is actually making me lose the will to "told ya so".
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor The Gorgon Spawn 1592	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:44:18 - [14] - Quote I don't know why CCP doesn't just replicate what works in FW for null. Allow player made structures to show up on overview that provide some sort of benefit / incentive / isk without a quick get away. Like....ESS? They have solutions to the camping / blobing play, I just hope they are going to add them soon. Either that or people prefer that type of gameplay and we are in the minority. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
Quanah Comanche Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:46:09 - [15] - Quote Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera?
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 232	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:49:16 - [16] - Quote Just wait a while for all of the fuss to die down. See what the tempo is like in 3 months say... A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14182	Posted - 2014.12.13 00:43:01 - [17] - Quote Quanah Comanche wrote: Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera? Given the fact that its the most deadly system at the moment evidently not. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5809	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:03:16 - [18] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Quanah Comanche wrote: Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera? Given the fact that its the most deadly system at the moment evidently not. Ah I see your point but let me ask. Is it deadly for a reason? Is there some "golden loot"? Some item of value? Something to derive from there? Are the Sisters handing out Level 6 missions or something? Is there something lore-related that could be a game changer? You see this is an old argument. Players need a better reason than PVP to be there because they are either not interested in it, or are not good at it, or have done it already. Then there's profit to deal with. I'm no fan of min-maxer ISK obsession (it's just as degenerating to the game as stats obsession IMO) but even the players who care less about ISK and stats cannot find any motivation to help someone elses killboard. Even a strongly fostered sense of Stockholm Syndrome could not suffice. So there is no other reason to be there, and not everybody has the same reason. (and for having pointed that out, there will be the two or three usual forum trolls along soon touting their "this is not single player" and "this is PVP" dogma) All I can see Thera for at this point is a reason to keep a bunch of ghetto boat T1s handy just in case the local constellation gets a "glory hole" to Thera and there's an itch to lose said ships more dramatically. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
dark heartt 518	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:05:57 - [19] - Quote baltec1 wrote: What did you expect from a station? Pretty much. It was to be expected that where there was a station there would be docking and camping. http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7527	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:06:32 - [20] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: This topic is actually making me lose the will to "told ya so". I toad a so! Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14183	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:08:52 - [21] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: baltec1 wrote: Quanah Comanche wrote: Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera? Given the fact that its the most deadly system at the moment evidently not. Ah I see your point but let me ask. Is it deadly for a reason? Is there some "golden loot"? Some item of value? Something to derive from there? Are the Sisters handing out Level 6 missions or something? Is there something lore-related that could be a game changer? You see this is an old argument. Players need a better reason than PVP to be there because they are either not interested in it, or are not good at it, or have done it already. Then there's profit to deal with. I'm no fan of min-maxer ISK obsession (it's just as degenerating to the game as stats obsession IMO) but even the players who care less about ISK and stats cannot find any motivation to help someone elses killboard. Even a strongly fostered sense of Stockholm Syndrome could not suffice. So there is no other reason to be there, and not everybody has the same reason. (and for having pointed that out, there will be the two or three usual forum trolls along soon touting their "this is not single player" and "this is PVP" dogma) All I can see Thera for at this point is a reason to keep a bunch of ghetto boat T1s handy just in case the local constellation gets a "glory hole" to Thera and there's an itch to lose said ships more dramatically. Right now its new and shiny and its attracting the magpies. In 3-4 months time you will find a sizable alliance in there using it as a base to raid everything the system comes into contact with. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Darren Airtex Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:50:01 - [22] - Quote Thera who? I am not even going to bother my thinking to realize it is there until around the 3 month mark. By that time the newness should wear off of it.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10809	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:01:30 - [23] - Quote Aaaaaaand? No, seriously, what is the point of this ranting? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Memphis Baas 6	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:03:12 - [24] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Is it deadly for a reason? Armageddon was fun. Thera can be Armageddon forever. Note: the link is to a 2007 Sisi event, not to the original 2003 one. My Google-fu is not up to the task of finding the original one.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5810	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:34:11 - [25] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: baltec1 wrote: Quanah Comanche wrote: Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera? Given the fact that its the most deadly system at the moment evidently not. Ah I see your point but let me ask. Is it deadly for a reason? Is there some "golden loot"? Some item of value? Something to derive from there? Are the Sisters handing out Level 6 missions or something? Is there something lore-related that could be a game changer? You see this is an old argument. Players need a better reason than PVP to be there because they are either not interested in it, or are not good at it, or have done it already. Then there's profit to deal with. I'm no fan of min-maxer ISK obsession (it's just as degenerating to the game as stats obsession IMO) but even the players who care less about ISK and stats cannot find any motivation to help someone elses killboard. Even a strongly fostered sense of Stockholm Syndrome could not suffice. So there is no other reason to be there, and not everybody has the same reason. (and for having pointed that out, there will be the two or three usual forum trolls along soon touting their "this is not single player" and "this is PVP" dogma) All I can see Thera for at this point is a reason to keep a bunch of ghetto boat T1s handy just in case the local constellation gets a "glory hole" to Thera and there's an itch to lose said ships more dramatically. Right now its new and shiny and its attracting the magpies. In 3-4 months time you will find a sizable alliance in there using it as a base to raid everything the system comes into contact with. I would like to see that. Is this a prediction or a plan? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Serene Repose 1747	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:22:10 - [26] - Quote Tell me you aren't surprised. You know where you are, right? Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27046	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:33:30 - [27] - Quote NO ONE CARES ABOUT THERA. stop bringing it up. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 122	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:49:34 - [28] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: NO ONE CARES ABOUT THERA. stop bringing it up. you guys are planning on taking over jove space and its to become the new rental real estate isn't it? point is ccp pretends they don't know but they know and prove they know cause they sure are good at showing pretty pie charts and data arnt they?? ccp guard is on watch of zee highest amount of kills ever recorded in eve's history.. these guys must have been boxing promoters in a past life. but we'll just believe them when they say. ."they don't know".
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27046	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:01:58 - [29] - Quote frigates and pods... the latter mostly because they get stuck there, because Thera is a broken idea from the start. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Nolak Ataru Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC 320	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:39:36 - [30] - Quote I told you so... And many of the others in the wh subforum would have told CCP the exact same thing, as well as even a cursory glance at lowsec trade hubs / minor markets, and the related kills.\
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27051	Posted - 2014.12.13 06:03:11 - [31] - Quote say it with me: to happen, Thera needs one of these things: massive PVE income default warpable holes on both sides CONCORD President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 18423	Posted - 2014.12.13 06:21:30 - [32] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: say it with me: to happen, Thera needs one of these things: massive PVE income default warpable holes on both sides CONCORD Or zero broker fees and transaction taxes. Friendship is the best ship. Sabriz for CSM go go go
Nolak Ataru Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC 320	Posted - 2014.12.13 06:33:06 - [33] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: say it with me: to happen, Thera needed this thing: Dev interaction with the userbase. ftfy
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27063	Posted - 2014.12.13 06:51:18 - [34] - Quote also bring forth the head of a dev who thought it was a brilliant plan. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 45	Posted - 2014.12.13 06:59:42 - [35] - Quote baltec1 wrote: What did you expect from a station? Is it really so difficult for you to think in possibilities? I guess it is true that you do practically live on the EVE forums. I think to myself "who would find that worth doing?!" OP has a point. Its lamer gamer gameplay that makes EVE a joke of a PVP game and could very harmlessly be changed in this one instance of Thera.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27069	Posted - 2014.12.13 07:00:54 - [36] - Quote just one dev. any dev will do. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6181	Posted - 2014.12.13 07:58:54 - [37] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Well as a wormholler I had high hopes for Thera. But it turns out it turned into the usual docking games and high-sec hole-camping [redacted word used by homophobes]. People either fight at zero on the high holes, or play docking games. Noone even thinks of camping true w-w connections - too dangerous and scary, who knows what could be on the other side! Wimps. I am disappointed. Thera is a null/low playground after all. True wormholes are better. Did you know that your head is so shiny, an F-117 could pinpoint you with a laser guided bomb? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Aivo Dresden Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 404	Posted - 2014.12.13 09:24:08 - [38] - Quote I'm actually surprised people expected anything else from this. :D
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 1002	Posted - 2014.12.13 09:31:24 - [39] - Quote I've said it before, when they introduced the idea of Thera, and I will say it again: Thera is literally a really big NPC null system with no local and Jita tendancies. Everyone knew from the start that it would be a cesspool of docking games and camps. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
marVLs 681	Posted - 2014.12.13 10:49:45 - [40] - Quote It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 828	Posted - 2014.12.13 10:53:26 - [41] - Quote In traditional fashion there will be nerfs of stuffs and changes to things, long after people stopped caring and don't go there anymore.
Senyu Takashi NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna 8	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:04:21 - [42] - Quote marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles QFT
Kaea Astridsson Yggdrasil Belators Dirt Nap Squad. 132	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:10:06 - [43] - Quote Anchorable bubbles are not allowed int Thera and interdiction bubbles get destroyed as the dictor docks. Also, if you've initiated warp before bubble is up, you'll land on your destination.
Felicity Love Imperium Galactic Navy 2167	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:10:12 - [44] - Quote Thera... working as intended... "something, something.... scum and villainy". "EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 517	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:10:33 - [45] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Just wait a while for all of the fuss to die down. See what the tempo is like in 3 months say... This! And it is a brilliant idea, it just that like normal a certain gameplay kicks in, but give it time when their attention span issues have kicked in then it will be ok. That being said I reckon that certain alliances will be using it as a way to move sub cap fleets around the map fast and that may result in a massive arena just based on that, and I half suspect that this was what CCP expected. Ella's Snack bar
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 612	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:27:13 - [46] - Quote marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles I'll always maintain bubbles are awesome. They are pretty-much the only combat "terrain" we have, and the only such terrain we have the ability to place to alter the battlefield mid-fight. Personally, I would be all for more and varied types of bubbles, or similar "anchorable aoe effects" - webbing bubbles, anchorable smartbomb units, energy neut zones, or bubble effects which mimic some of the wormhole effects within their zones. Quite frankly the sky is the limit.
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:30:09 - [47] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles I'll always maintain bubbles are awesome. They are pretty-much the only combat "terrain" we have, and the only such terrain we have the ability to place to alter the battlefield mid-fight. Personally, I would be all for more and varied types of bubbles, or similar "anchorable aoe effects" - webbing bubbles, anchorable smartbomb units, energy neut zones, or bubble effects which mimic some of the wormhole effects within their zones. Quite frankly the sky is the limit. Anchorable smartbomb units. That's literally the best and most nullsec-breaking idea ever. Think Rooks&Kings, but everywhere. Everywhere! Burn nullsec. Literally.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 716	Posted - 2014.12.13 11:58:35 - [48] - Quote marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles Thera just needs to let in Carriers or Super Carriers, problem solved to go with the bubbles as to why the first shouldn't be able to assign something that can than warp off grid and follow the target.....Thera is freaking huge, makes for good space to hide a cap ship and warmp up the forums with super capital long threads ranting to nerf them along with off grid boosters (fighters would of been assigned to HICs, which get buffed by off grid, which already got a good hitpoint buff alone, fighters providing back up DPS, fun times ensue). All in all, was exactly what I expected and I didn't have to visit....basically lowsec, with station games, NPC landlords, no faction police or hits, bubbles locking down stations, over DPS alpha shooting undocking....nothing no, reiterated content with a fancy over glossed graphics to make it look new.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 802	Posted - 2014.12.13 12:15:53 - [49] - Quote It's no sec zone. There are stations. What else did you think could happen?
Aiyshimin Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 222	Posted - 2014.12.13 12:18:08 - [50] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles I'll always maintain bubbles are awesome. They are pretty-much the only combat "terrain" we have, and the only such terrain we have the ability to place to alter the battlefield mid-fight. Personally, I would be all for more and varied types of bubbles, or similar "anchorable aoe effects" - webbing bubbles, anchorable smartbomb units, energy neut zones, or bubble effects which mimic some of the wormhole effects within their zones. Quite frankly the sky is the limit. I recently joined a nullsec PVP organisation, and the way dictors are used in fleet engagements has been an astonishing revelation for me. I seriously think dictor bubbles should be allowed in lowsec too. And +1 for more bubble variety!
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2014.12.13 12:24:01 - [51] - Quote I feel like this thread explains the anagram HATER ...
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 517	Posted - 2014.12.13 12:27:14 - [52] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Aralyn Cormallen wrote: marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles I'll always maintain bubbles are awesome. They are pretty-much the only combat "terrain" we have, and the only such terrain we have the ability to place to alter the battlefield mid-fight. Personally, I would be all for more and varied types of bubbles, or similar "anchorable aoe effects" - webbing bubbles, anchorable smartbomb units, energy neut zones, or bubble effects which mimic some of the wormhole effects within their zones. Quite frankly the sky is the limit. I recently joined a nullsec PVP organisation, and the way dictors are used in fleet engagements has been an astonishing revelation for me. I seriously think dictor bubbles should be allowed in lowsec too. And +1 for more bubble variety! No, low sec offers a difference based on the use of pods with very expensive implants, you would ruin the different style of combat that people get from that. The idea of other affects is very interesting, however you have to be aware of server load, because they removed the passive resists from active modules because there had to be a check on whether they had been neuted or not to calculate the resists, now obviously the server has a check whether they are in a bubble so as to work back the ability to warp or not, but if you do other affects you might as well add back passive resists to active modules again and you should expect TiDi to kick in a lot earlier. Ella's Snack bar
Vultaras Thera Space Industries 1	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:23:42 - [53] - Quote Hello spaceship pilots, First - i am not PvP'er or grinding PVE'er , more maybe just casual player with a little bit of everything. For the first time i went to Thera today , transported some goodies just for fun How was my first travel? I think should start with some printscreen: Entrance To Thera Low Sec As you see Russians hunting After they hunted down some transport ship, i went in with my anathema and Viator . Inside Thera i landed almost on camping, missed by 20 km. Huh...adrenaline rush really was great. I was living in wormohels, was flying in 0.0 space and i am sure that Thera is and will the most dangerouse space.... and that was plan of CCP . Somebody will cry that it's hard to push transport haulers into this new shiny system, if you play alone it is really hard, must gather all your pants and **** -- but doable It would be very easy to do transport operations in team.... Thera became and will be PvP mountain , if somebody wants to fight, it takes very short time to find targets and i am happy about it. Today i had a great time in Thera and hopin to have some more. P.S. Thank you CCP for Thera, but not for lag and bugs.
Naraish Adarn Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 117	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:29:31 - [54] - Quote op. thats because the Thera is the new shiny thing atm wait month or two and its distinctly more quiet
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3386	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:35:11 - [55] - Quote Thera history, TL,DR: "You can't run away from yourself" The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Aiyshimin Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:54:10 - [56] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: No, low sec offers a difference based on the use of pods with very expensive implants, you would ruin the different style of combat that people get from that. "Very expensive implants" don't create any new styles of combat, they are very simple buffs to basic attributes. They are only meaningful in situations where you can utilize them combined with OGBs, against players without implants and OGBs, gaining you easy wins based merely on the massive difference in stats. While this type of HEROPWNAGELOLSCRUB might attract certain personalities, it's not really player skill-based combat and as such not worth preserving.
Mara Kell Herrscher der Zeit Test Alliance Please Ignore 53	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:08:57 - [57] - Quote Well hardly a suprise isnt it? Every single space bottleneck in eve attracks the lowest of the shady characters we have ingame. And since Thera is an artificial superbottleneck guess what happens :D While i personally dont feel any need to visit Thera im still wondering why CCP thinks they need to create an artificial bottleneck like this just to force the generation of content. Somehow this doesnt fit into the conecpt of a sandbox game where the creation of content should be more driven by player decisions.
Aiyshimin Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:23:10 - [58] - Quote It isn't any kind of bottleneck. It's a wormhole system with 9 statics + random connections.
Mara Kell Herrscher der Zeit Test Alliance Please Ignore 53	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:31:29 - [59] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: It isn't any kind of bottleneck. It's a wormhole system with 9 statics + random connections. How many stations does it have again? Just imagine what would happen if you could buy Ore BPOs at just one station. Thats why there are several things of everything in eve, so player have a choice and alternatives. And now we get a special kind of station with special stuff in a singular system, if thats not an artificial bottleneck then i dont know what. And 10 or 20 wormholes do not change that imho.
Aiyshimin Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:34:21 - [60] - Quote It has 4 stations iirc
Mara Kell Herrscher der Zeit Test Alliance Please Ignore 53	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:37:35 - [61] - Quote Uhh ok sorry then, lot less of a bottleneck then. Havent been there and not planning to do so, i was just reading in the forums and sounded like 1.
Senyu Takashi NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna 8	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:58:38 - [62] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: No, low sec offers a difference based on the use of pods with very expensive implants, you would ruin the different style of combat that people get from that. "Very expensive implants" don't create any new styles of combat, they are very simple buffs to basic attributes. They are only meaningful in situations where you can utilize them combined with OGBs, against players without implants and OGBs, gaining you easy wins based merely on the massive difference in stats. While this type of HEROPWNAGELOLSCRUB might attract certain personalities, it's not really player skill-based combat and as such not worth preserving. Im not sure what has player skill-based combat to do with bubbles. Im fine when someone goes through the effort of targeting my ship, then using a point or two and maybe a web to keep me in place and kill me. Howewer the instant "push button - stop all traffic in the entire gate connection/station" is really dumb in my opinion. At least add various warp scramble strenght or only a chance of scrambling a ship instead of an instant no-warp zone.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 306	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:33:28 - [63] - Quote I want to see many many more bubbles in EVE. But not Warp Bubbles...I want to see SOAP Bubbles....You shoot them from bubble launchers and when thy hit, they kill all the dirty dirty players...
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 76	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:51:55 - [64] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Well as a wormholler I had high hopes for Thera. But it turns out it turned into the usual docking games and high-sec hole-camping faggotry. People either fight at zero on the high holes, or play docking games. Noone even thinks of camping true w-w connections - too dangerous and scary, who knows what could be on the other side! Wimps. I am disappointed. Thera is a null/low playground after all. True wormholes are better.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 49304	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:53:47 - [65] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Rain6637 wrote: say it with me: to happen, Thera needs one of these things: massive PVE income default warpable holes on both sides CONCORD Or zero broker fees and transaction taxes. A step into the right direction, but if we really want to see Thera growing into an independent, Moss Isley style hub, not far enough. Since it's all about risk/reward and the risk should be widely known by now, there should be rewards big enough that people will still commit to supplying Thera. How about something like this: The game automatically tracks every market order for Thera. Each months the top 20 (or 30, or 50 or whatever) sellers automatically get a new title "Thera Trade Council" or something like that. Both broker fees and transaction tax income in Thera will be evenly distributed amongst all Trade Council members- that means the top suppliers will earn a share of every single trade in Thera. Give council members other benefits for all I care, like having their own private subforum on the Eve-O forums or being able to see the names of all sellers/buyers in the market interface. Just make it worth it. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:10:36 - [66] - Quote I am actually quite sure that CCP will introduce a very good reason why people will want to live in HATER. It also makes sense that they did not introduce HATER alongside said reason, because the first weeks it'll be a slaughterhouse anyway. You lot aren't really thinking long term and your short sighted ideas probably would ruin more than help.
Rahmiro Discrete Astrographic Reconnaissance Technologies 67	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:23:17 - [67] - Quote For what it's worth, I was in Thera yesterday for the 1st time and found that the stations were camp free. Warped about in an interceptor, docked, walked in station , tried on some of the new clothes from the Nex Store, checked out the market, undocked and went home. Lot's of combat probes on scan, some wrecks, etc. I really believe I could have scouted an orca in (can orca enter Thera idk) and seeded the market with some fuel blocks or something. Maybe it was just the timing, idk. Would go again. I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 970	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:25:59 - [68] - Quote The only reason to go to Thera is to PVP or to stage for PVP. If you want to PVE and make money in WH space Thera is not the right location for you.
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 76	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:37:54 - [69] - Quote Sol Project wrote: I am actually quite sure that CCP will introduce a very good reason why people will want to live in HATER. It also makes sense that they did not introduce HATER alongside said reason, because the first weeks it'll be a slaughterhouse anyway. You lot aren't really thinking long term and your short sighted ideas probably would ruin more than help. So far, the only smart idea came from Rain. Have noobships being equipped with probe launchers. Now stop being wise asses, go there instead and clean house. The only reason why there are station camping fags, is because people rather whine than trying to change the status quo. Sounds familiar, ey? Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition.
Cynter DeVries Spheroidal Projections 950	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:42:25 - [70] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: As predicted. This is the only thing I fault CCP for. They say "we don't know what the players will do" and it's as if they never saw what the players did. This thread should be cross linked with the killmail addiction thread for more rounded illustration. More content I won't be bothering with for the sake of bothering with it but hey maybe something will come up in a few years. I'm guessing they knew this would happen during the initial rush but are hoping it turns into something else when things settle down. shrug Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 201	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:45:45 - [71] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition. Your post makes me assume you never visited a highsec tradehub. While your point is perfectly valid, it's not restricted to null. Null just has the advantage of bubbles, making camping even easier. I can add something. The reason why people hug the station, is because they're cowards who dock up at the slightest hint of danger.
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:56:17 - [72] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Aralyn Cormallen wrote: marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles I'll always maintain bubbles are awesome. They are pretty-much the only combat "terrain" we have, and the only such terrain we have the ability to place to alter the battlefield mid-fight. Personally, I would be all for more and varied types of bubbles, or similar "anchorable aoe effects" - webbing bubbles, anchorable smartbomb units, energy neut zones, or bubble effects which mimic some of the wormhole effects within their zones. Quite frankly the sky is the limit. Anchorable smartbomb units. That's literally the best and most nullsec-breaking idea ever. Think Rooks&Kings, but everywhere. Everywhere! Burn nullsec. Literally. I would literally plant one (or ten) at every gate I could get to. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?! This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2014.12.13 16:57:37 - [73] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: It has 4 stations iirc It needed about 20. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?! This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
Lucrii Dei Vector Galactic Did he say Jump 179	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:00:39 - [74] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: marVLs wrote: It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles I'll always maintain bubbles are awesome. They are pretty-much the only combat "terrain" we have, and the only such terrain we have the ability to place to alter the battlefield mid-fight. Personally, I would be all for more and varied types of bubbles, or similar "anchorable aoe effects" - webbing bubbles, anchorable smartbomb units, energy neut zones, or bubble effects which mimic some of the wormhole effects within their zones. Quite frankly the sky is the limit. Anchorable smart bombs... I think they existed once and they were mines. They were removed because they were **really fcking awful**. Just like this idea. Gÿå* The Explorer I Gÿå The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Panic. 1119	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:17:06 - [75] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: faggotry. Not censored. S c h m u c k ******* Censored. GG CCP \o/ \m/ O.o \m/ "You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 76	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:19:18 - [76] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition. Your post makes me assume you never visited a highsec tradehub. While your point is perfectly valid, it's not restricted to null. Null just has the advantage of bubbles, making camping even easier. I can add something. The reason why people hug the station, is because they're cowards who dock up at the slightest hint of danger. Who said it was restricted to Null. Null players keep saying everyone should leave hi-sec and join them because that is where the real pvp happens. Sadly, for most of the Null player base this is what they consider real pvp. Eve's pvp player base is saturated with this type of low-risk pvp'r. What's worse. A carebear is obviously doesn't want to pvp or the null pvp'r who will only pvp if its a win, or they can run if it looks like they wont win.
Grimpak Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance. 2444	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:31:14 - [77] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Well as a wormholler I had high hopes for Thera. But it turns out it turned into the usual docking games and high-sec hole-camping faggotry. People either fight at zero on the high holes, or play docking games. Noone even thinks of camping true w-w connections - too dangerous and scary, who knows what could be on the other side! Wimps. I am disappointed. Thera is a null/low playground after all. True wormholes are better. ohnoes, a free-for-all system is, in fact, being used as a free-for-all system? shock and awe! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 203	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:34:15 - [78] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: Sol Project wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition. Your post makes me assume you never visited a highsec tradehub. While your point is perfectly valid, it's not restricted to null. Null just has the advantage of bubbles, making camping even easier. I can add something. The reason why people hug the station, is because they're cowards who dock up at the slightest hint of danger. Who said it was restricted to Null. Null players keep saying everyone should leave hi-sec and join them because that is where the real pvp happens. Sadly, for most of the Null player base this is what they consider real pvp. Eve's pvp player base is saturated with this type of low-risk pvp'r. What's worse. A carebear is obviously doesn't want to pvp or the null pvp'r who will only pvp if its a win, or they can run if it looks like they wont win. You make it sound like it is something that has anything to do with nullsec, which it simply hasn't. I guess this is more of a language-issue here and not really worth debating. HighSec, LowSec, NullSec. These people are all alike. They're weak, cowardish carebears.
Jenshae Chiroptera 596	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:38:06 - [79] - Quote Zifrian wrote: I don't know why CCP doesn't just replicate what works in FW for null. Allow player made structures to show up on overview that provide some sort of benefit / incentive / isk without a quick get away. Like....ESS? They have solutions to the camping / blobing play, I just hope they are going to add them soon. Either that or people prefer that type of gameplay and we are in the minority. Considering that 71% of pilots are in high sec, I don't think null is a majority of anything. Low Sec probably needs the changes. It is neither fish nor bird and not the greatest of places for high-sec to dip their toes and play some PVP. CSM Ten movement for change. EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Iain Cariaba 739	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:39:26 - [80] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: Sol Project wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition. Your post makes me assume you never visited a highsec tradehub. While your point is perfectly valid, it's not restricted to null. Null just has the advantage of bubbles, making camping even easier. I can add something. The reason why people hug the station, is because they're cowards who dock up at the slightest hint of danger. Who said it was restricted to Null. Null players keep saying everyone should leave hi-sec and join them because that is where the real pvp happens. Sadly, for most of the Null player base this is what they consider real pvp. Eve's pvp player base is saturated with this type of low-risk pvp'r. What's worse. A carebear is obviously doesn't want to pvp or the null pvp'r who will only pvp if its a win, or they can run if it looks like they wont win. Show me one player in this entire game that plays to lose. Show me one player that, when outnumbered four, five, ten, hell, twenty to one decides it's a good idea to unlock and feed people kills. By your definition, every player in the game is a carebear, simply because they play to win. If I think I have slightly better than even odds of winning a fight, I'll unlock and fight. If I'm looking at a sure loss, I stay safe. I'm fairly certain this is the average attitude among PvPers. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 76	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:46:49 - [81] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Sol Project wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition. Your post makes me assume you never visited a highsec tradehub. While your point is perfectly valid, it's not restricted to null. Null just has the advantage of bubbles, making camping even easier. I can add something. The reason why people hug the station, is because they're cowards who dock up at the slightest hint of danger. Who said it was restricted to Null. Null players keep saying everyone should leave hi-sec and join them because that is where the real pvp happens. Sadly, for most of the Null player base this is what they consider real pvp. Eve's pvp player base is saturated with this type of low-risk pvp'r. What's worse. A carebear is obviously doesn't want to pvp or the null pvp'r who will only pvp if its a win, or they can run if it looks like they wont win. Show me one player in this entire game that plays to lose. Show me one player that, when outnumbered four, five, ten, hell, twenty to one decides it's a good idea to unlock and feed people kills. By your definition, every player in the game is a carebear, simply because they play to win. If I think I have slightly better than even odds of winning a fight, I'll unlock and fight. If I'm looking at a sure loss, I stay safe. I'm fairly certain this is the average attitude among PvPers. Your "I play to win" has resulted in a stagnant null (that devs have to step in and fix) and station hugging. Carry on.
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 971	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:58:11 - [82] - Quote You know what I came up with a very easy solution to it. To dock, costs you isk. Escalating isk on a 24 hour basis. Yaay!!!!
Adunh Slavy 1599	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:16:30 - [83] - Quote Normal for Eve, a 1990s game of spawn camping. Gates, blind undocking, blind jumps ... same ol same ol. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27152	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:29:47 - [84] - Quote Seraph Essael wrote: I've said it before, when they introduced the idea of Thera, and I will say it again: Thera is literally a really big NPC null system with no local and Jita tendancies. Everyone knew from the start that it would be a cesspool of docking games and camps. anyone who played, e.g. notfozzie President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 208	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:56:00 - [85] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Show me one player in this entire game that plays to lose. Show me one player that, when outnumbered four, five, ten, hell, twenty to one decides it's a good idea to unlock and feed people kills. By your definition, every player in the game is a carebear, simply because they play to win. If I think I have slightly better than even odds of winning a fight, I'll unlock and fight. If I'm looking at a sure loss, I stay safe. I'm fairly certain this is the average attitude among PvPers. And this is the point where I call you a coward, because caring about winning or losing is for weaklings. You care about stats or whatever and think it matters and in your way, of course, you are right. In the sad perspective of Winners/Losers, yes, absolutely, you are right. From the perspective of people who understand that what matters is "balls" ... (especially because it's a game) ... the fact that whatever the ******* odds are, they just throw themselves at it ... you are just a coward. And that's what you are. Of course you call it smart "to avoid losses", ... and within your ... uhm ... social group, I guess ... you are absolutely right ... ... but in actual reality you are just simply a weak coward for actually caring. My attitude tought me one thing: There is always a way, one just has to find it and try to beat the odds, because that is the only way to progress and improve one's self. TL;DR: You are stagnant, weak and a coward. This, pretty much, summarises the whole topic.
Commentus Nolen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:57:31 - [86] - Quote Watermelon Seeds, the answer is watermelon seeds. Because of sub-space harmonics in such a large system, when you enter Thera from a wormhole you are spit out anywhere from 10 to 70K in any direction from the wormhole. This lessons the impact of bubbles and means campers would have to station fast tacklers all around the WH to lock down targets. This would apply to each ship of a fleet warping in from a WH. The fleet would have to gather back together before they could engage as a fleet. Combine this with really profitable reasons to be in Thera and you would find a lot of targets to hunt down not just this shooting of targets in a bucket you have now. Bring back the real thrill of the hunt.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27161	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:19:06 - [87] - Quote Instalokis would still be an issue without bubbles. For a second I wondered if there was a point to be made about yet another AOE mechanic being broken, but in this case bubbles are just a component of the unchecked aggression that will keep Thera a ghetto. CONCORD is the only real way to consistently deter PVP while attracting industry and market, which has to get there somehow, and they're not the same people (PVP vs Industry/market). If you want to get Thera to happen on a large scale, anyway. Without CONCORD support, Thera is limited to big groups that contain both PVP and Industry/Market types, and a drill down of those groups by numbers makes it fairly obvious that Thera is basically a gift to CFC. I'm waiting for the call to take it over, tbh. I hope the carebear namecalling stops. When it comes down to it, yeah, I'd rather not lose my ship (or pod) because there is the delay (not just cost) of retrieving another ship to contribute to the fight. It's just inconvenient for the purpose of winning the engagement. It's a bit unfair to attach a label like carebear to someone's logic when they are justifiably victory-minded. Ships and characters are ammo, and sometimes you run out. I keep at least one spare character, ready to undock. Sometimes two, sometimes more. Copypaste the skillsheet, and the ship, and the fit. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5815	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:31:28 - [88] - Quote You know, now would be both the best and worst time to bring mines back into the game. Just saying. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Senyu Takashi NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna 9	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:44:40 - [89] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Sol Project wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Only reason why there is station camping is because that is what happens in null. And when someone does show up they dock, hence the reason for station hugging. Time honored Null pvp tradition. Your post makes me assume you never visited a highsec tradehub. While your point is perfectly valid, it's not restricted to null. Null just has the advantage of bubbles, making camping even easier. I can add something. The reason why people hug the station, is because they're cowards who dock up at the slightest hint of danger. Who said it was restricted to Null. Null players keep saying everyone should leave hi-sec and join them because that is where the real pvp happens. Sadly, for most of the Null player base this is what they consider real pvp. Eve's pvp player base is saturated with this type of low-risk pvp'r. What's worse. A carebear is obviously doesn't want to pvp or the null pvp'r who will only pvp if its a win, or they can run if it looks like they wont win. Show me one player in this entire game that plays to lose. Show me one player that, when outnumbered four, five, ten, hell, twenty to one decides it's a good idea to unlock and feed people kills. Raises his hand
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27163	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:56:03 - [90] - Quote That argument is a bit convoluted and narrow minded, and also a case of projecting. If you're interested in the growth of EVE like everyone has been on about lately, and you're experienced, your role in the whole exchange is to die. That's the story of EVE that attracts people. The best thing you can do for EVE is contribute to the enjoyment of others, especially new players, and die. If there's one group of players to fight and die for, it's new players. In comparison, the goal of 'never die' is very childish. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Longdrinks Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 147	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:23:12 - [91] - Quote thera is a cool place to pwn noobs and if you stay long enough a fleet will usually show up to fight you since everyone has eyes there. If nothing else is going on you can probe out a wh to almost anywere in eve and go roaming. You should come there and try to fight someone ;-)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27166	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:34:46 - [92] - Quote to what end President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Longdrinks Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 147	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:39:43 - [93] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: to what end For fights. i hear theres valuable exploration sites here too but i wouldnt know anything about that since i dont play to make my wallet fatter.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27166	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:42:07 - [94] - Quote if i wanted fights every day I'd live at home with dad President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Longdrinks Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 147	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:46:44 - [95] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: if i wanted fights every day I'd live at home with dad wow do u have a permit for that edginess?
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2929	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:48:26 - [96] - Quote Thread locked. The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counter productive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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