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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:01:00 -
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Obtain a BP for a limited-seller item that is in high demand.
Start a price war, keep undercutting your few competitors and watch the bottom drop out of your market.
"Hey you! With the pretty face...
Welcome to the human race..."
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:02:00 -
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bunnies?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:04:00 -
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Lemmings 
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:07:00 -
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It was inevitable that a drone should get a hold of the miner II blueprint, good things also comes to those not deserving...
Convert Stations
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:18:00 -
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I watched a person panic sell on Miner 2s. They undercut 6 miners by 250k with almost 6x the supply.
Lemmings are smarter
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:18:00 -
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He can blame himself, me personally if I got a miner II bp I'd try to assemble a meeting with all parties involved (all those with a bp also) and try to negotiate a universal price where we'd all be on the watch for people undercutting our prices and buy up their stock if they try it. Ofcourse sensible prices are those what people are ready to buy them on vs. how many will buy them.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:25:00 -
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What i dont understand, other than "why" is the manner in which it is done..
they see someone else selling at, say, 2.5m then they go "Aha! If HE is succesfully making ISk at that price just imagine how much more I will make by selling them at 2mil each!"
"Muwahahaha"
or the classic:
"OMG! OMG! OMFG! I havent sold them all within 30 seconds I must be overcharging!"
It is amusing but... its as though they actual dont like making money...
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:27:00 -
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Go figure.
First Techell were accused of being greedy bastards by half the world for pricing their miner IIs at 2.5mill.
Now, at the very same price, they're evil undercutters!
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Ezra Cornell
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:28:00 -
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Techell?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:40:00 -
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They're not evil, if their aim is to provide a service making less profit than they could, by all means, me I'd rather play locations and charge over 3M.
Convert Stations
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:42:00 -
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He can blame himself, me personally if I got a miner II bp I'd try to assemble a meeting with all parties involved (all those with a bp also) and try to negotiate a universal price where we'd all be on the watch for people undercutting our prices and buy up their stock if they try it. Ofcourse sensible prices are those what people are ready to buy them on vs. how many will buy them.
Have you heard about a law of physics called supply and demand
If you did what you propose on Earth, you'd be put in jail in no time
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:44:00 -
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Techell?
What, you didn't realize they've had their miners priced at 2.5mill each (Lower than current market prices even though far more BPs are now in circulation) since the moment they bought their BP copies 2-3 months ago?
The rationale was to make the miners more accessible to the "average Joe", thus (hopefully) putting a dent in trit prices. (At least I recall this was Techell's rationale for pricing their miners at half the price of everyone else.)
An admirable, if not crafty, goal. :)
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Ezra Cornell
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:44:00 -
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How about some details there Morkt ? Whatcha talking about 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:49:00 -
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2.5 is high..
theres little groups out in some regions do battle within the same system down below 2mil already...
funny thing is if the stupid muppets went elsewhere they could seel at 2.5 without any problems just like Techell... but "Oh no".. move to sell things? Never!
Sell things at the same price as others? Never!
We must undercut!
We live to undercut!
We pwn the market!
Phear the bunnies...
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:53:00 -
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Supply and demand anyone?
I'd like to see the Miner II short above production costs soon. Do not care if Techell is going to make another 1,5 Billion ISK a week or not.
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Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:54:00 -
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I should add that it isnt, personally, affecting me in the slightest, just that its an amazing study into lemming psychology... and thus something a Zoologist cannot possible ignore...
Personally i blame the highways almost entirely..
hmm
no i dont..
i blame the lack of breeding restrictions..
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Veshalik
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Veshalik on 18/10/2003 18:00:22
Siting in the trade channel is a free ticket to watching the market for miner 2's self destruct. Quite entertaining really.
Joe> Miner 2's 2.5 Million
Larry> Miner 2's 2.0 Million!!!
Moe > Miner 2's 1.9 Million!!!!!!
Quite entertaining. That, or I"m just really bored. : )
Also, the highways are a big contributor to this, if you couldn't get anywhere in 5 minutes, people would actually have to check what Region you were even selling in, which would help protect prices... Also, just like Morkt, I have nothing to gain or lose, just fun to watch. : )
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:03:00 -
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2.5 is high..
theres little groups out in some regions do battle within the same system down below 2mil already...
funny thing is if the stupid muppets went elsewhere they could seel at 2.5 without any problems just like Techell... but "Oh no".. move to sell things? Never!
Sell things at the same price as others? Never!
We must undercut!
We live to undercut!
We pwn the market!
Phear the bunnies...
You are an arrogant bloke. Why don't you apply for a position in that stupid Trade Federation?
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Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:04:00 -
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You are an arrogant bloke. Why don't you apply for a position in that stupid Trade Federation?
Didnt you quit?
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:10:00 -
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You are an arrogant bloke. Why don't you apply for a position in that stupid Trade Federation?
Didnt you quit?
No, I bought a 2nd account. Get over it.
You should apply for the Trade Federation and keep yelling and people trying to make some ISK and call them lemmings. Or you could read some basic stuff about economy and shut up.
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Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:19:00 -
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Bah people are allowed to quit and then come back..
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Elan Morin
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:20:00 -
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Obviously the supply and demand got reversed and as such of course prices will fall.
I have yet to buy a MII, guess I'll wait another week and get em cheap as dirt.  |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:20:00 -
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No, I bought a 2nd account. Get over it.
You should apply for the Trade Federation and keep yelling and people trying to make some ISK and call them lemmings. Or you could read some basic stuff about economy and shut up.
Second account, same trolling.
You are a rock of consistency.
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Moralis
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:27:00 -
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No, I bought a 2nd account. Get over it.
You should apply for the Trade Federation and keep yelling and people trying to make some ISK and call them lemmings. Or you could read some basic stuff about economy and shut up.
So you get to quit twice this time.
Somebody remind me who was begging for handouts recently:
a) Molly Mk MXCXVII still cant grasp fundamentals of this thread
b) Morkt Drak, well known wealthy individual
Molly, the entire point of the thread is that they are loosing out on ISK.
Your obvious failure to grasp even the simplest aspect of this thread should be staggering, but no - its Molly, it even suggests your involvemnt in the downward spiral of self-destruction of yet another market.
Let me help you out:
If they werent such muppets they would be making more.
So if you would stop being a troll and get a clue what the thread is about, it would help a lot.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:28:00 -
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No, I bought a 2nd account. Get over it.
You should apply for the Trade Federation and keep yelling and people trying to make some ISK and call them lemmings. Or you could read some basic stuff about economy and shut up.
Second account, same trolling.
You are a rock of consistency.
LOL. Maybe you should try to read your whinage and trolling about people trying to make ISK with some Miner II.
What's wrong with people bringing the price down to compete when the production costs are around 40-50k? They are still making profit.
I bet you would like to see a universe wide price fixing or a monopoly worth 1,5 Billion ISK a week Mr. Morkt 'Cartel' Drak.
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Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 18/10/2003 18:38:01
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No, I bought a 2nd account. Get over it.
You should apply for the Trade Federation and keep yelling and people trying to make some ISK and call them lemmings. Or you could read some basic stuff about economy and shut up.
So you get to quit twice this time.
Somebody remind me who was begging for handouts recently:
a) Molly Mk MXCXVII still cant grasp fundamentals of this thread
b) Morkt Drak, well known wealthy individual
Molly, the entire point of the thread is that they are loosing out on ISK.
Your obvious failure to grasp even the simplest aspect of this thread should be staggering, but no - its Molly, it even suggests your involvemnt in the downward spiral of self-destruction of yet another market.
Let me help you out:
If they werent such muppets they would be making more.
So if you would stop being a troll and get a clue what the thread is about, it would help a lot.
If you would stop being a troll and get a clue what economy is about, you would realize that competition leads to lower prices.
There was no competition before. Now there is. You and Morkt are asking to cartelise the competition. Mortk even called the competing people "Braindead".
I am a consument, I am interesed in low prices. Why should I be interested in buying Miners II for 2,5 Million ISK til the end of the time?
If I am a troll, then you are megalomaniac oligarchs.
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Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Seqi on 18/10/2003 18:36:50
Well if people buy through the market system, they will always get the lowest price on their screen. Then if there are multiple people offering at the lowest price, it will simply pick the one that made the first lowest price sell order. So in order to be the one people buy from if they buy via the market, you have to make sure you're the only one with the lowest price.
Go to Nonni if you need any mini electronics, they're selling 25% under NPC value atm there. Same situation.
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Torqamada
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:37:00 -
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OMG!!! They have found something to whine even louder about. Wholesaling and it strikes FEAR into their greedy minds. They want all of space to themselves and they want extortionist prices. You know Gateway and Dell and others would not be in business today had they maintained the prices for PC's as all their competitors did. They instead went with a differant model and today prices are lower and they are still making money. Now if they were selling below cost that is dumping and can not be maintained. So you can still sell at your higher prices - there will always be a percentage of buyers at a price. Now if it is still above cost well now my friend it is a long haul. They PC you are typing on would cost easily 4 or 5 times as much if we were still at the thought process you use for your argument. The point is lowering the price increases customer base and sells more for less for a net increase in profits.
There is that MUPPET enough for you - and this from a mercenary. I feel so dirty now. |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:44:00 -
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"So in order to be the one people buy from if they buy via the market, you have to make sure you're the only one with the lowest price."
... Then it makes as much sense to undercut by single ISK, as it makes to undercut by mentioned 250k... since both brings your order to the front of the line. One will make you more money than the other, though.
And well, 'tis all in situation where there is actually larger supply than there is demand... is it the case? Having in mind Techell just recently selling their 300 lasers in just few hours for 2.5 mil a piece, i somehow doubt that....
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:46:00 -
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As I understand english isnt your first language let me say this slowly - it might sink in:
Your concern is touching, however misguided.
These few producer hold a virtual monopoly on supply. There is little real need to compete or try to sell in a rush.
They can sell at 2.5 mil and make lots and lots of isk. They dont need to slice their - and i will emphasis in bold type here to help you out Molly - own profits by repeatedly undercutting each other.
Now - if you can spare the grey matter to actually lay off the goat-chewing or bridge repairs you may notice this would benefit them.
I know this is complex stuff, but try to grasp this thing - its called a concept.
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I bet you would like to see a universe wide price fixing or a monopoly worth 1,5 Billion ISK a week Mr. Morkt 'Cartel' Drak.
Ermm... yes.. of course I would if i was a part of it.
Im sure such a well known empathic person as your self would not purely on moral grounds.
Being as you ahve no so nicely troll'd this thread and made it into yet another ****ing contest of trolldom, i shall depart with some grace and leave you to your Artocarpus molestations.
Tourq - In your case nobody would fear the Spanish Inquisition.
Indeed you are muppet enough... especially as, as pointed out clearly, I am not involved in either buying or selling.
Its always the "little" details that catch you out isnt it?
Ah this was such jovial thread...
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