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Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote The new font is hideous. Honestly, it looks like a debug font that no one got around to changing. It may be more readable, but give us the option for the old one. It's really not that hard. Fix the logi popup bug and give us the option to suppress the warning all together. Not all of us are stupid carebears who are too dumb to stay alive. Bring back ship spinning -- Oh wait, you did learn on that one. Can you please learn from that example and stop changing things for the worse without giving us the opportunity to suppress teh changes?
Montevius Williams Eclipse Industrial Inc 139	Posted - 2011.11.29 20:53:00 - [2] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: The new font is hideous. Honestly, it looks like a debug font that no one got around to changing. It may be more readable, but give us the option for the old one. It's really not that hard. Fix the logi popup bug and give us the option to suppress the warning all together. Not all of us are stupid carebears who are too dumb to stay alive. Bring back ship spinning -- Oh wait, you did learn on that one. Can you please learn from that example and stop changing things for the worse without giving us the opportunity to suppress teh changes? They did, its called the test server my man.
Planktal Kenshao Industries Galactic Acqisition Specialists 11	Posted - 2011.11.29 20:55:00 - [3] - Quote CCP did learn, they learned that they cant' make all the people happy all the time, there always will be people that wont be happy with what CCP does. Here sanity, nice sanity.....THWOOKGot the bastard
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote By letting us make simple choices about our experiences they can make quite a bit more people happy. Right now, people who want CQ get it, people who want spinning ships are happy too, and people who want both can switch. Everybody wins!
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 20:59:00 - [5] - Quote Montevius Williams wrote: Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: The new font is hideous. Honestly, it looks like a debug font that no one got around to changing. It may be more readable, but give us the option for the old one. It's really not that hard. Fix the logi popup bug and give us the option to suppress the warning all together. Not all of us are stupid carebears who are too dumb to stay alive. Bring back ship spinning -- Oh wait, you did learn on that one. Can you please learn from that example and stop changing things for the worse without giving us the opportunity to suppress teh changes? They did, its called the test server my man. How does the test server let me switch fonts or suppress a useless, annoying, and often severely damaging message?
Florestan Bronstein The Waterworks 184	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:01:00 - [6] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: Everybody wins! except for CCP who have to maintain a larger codebase
Jihzma Mei Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 8	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:04:00 - [7] - Quote The funny thing is that the outcry would be 10x as big if they were switching from this font to the old one. The old font sucked man, let it die.
GavinCapacitor CaeIum Incognitum 13	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:05:00 - [8] - Quote Trolling / 0/10 / test server for months / HTFU / can I have your stuff Pick 1+ Thread is bad OP should feel bad.
ShadowMaster 25	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:08:00 - [9] - Quote Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that.
David Rivard Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:11:00 - [10] - Quote GavinCapacitor wrote: Trolling / 0/10 / test server for months / HTFU / can I have your stuff Pick 1+ Thread is bad OP should feel bad. Honestly, it's insulting to ask a paying customer to do a QA tester's job and go on the test server. When you're a customer paying for a premium service like EVE, you should expect it to be done right the first time it's presented to you. How we got to the point where we're expected to do something that most developers pay people to do just to get the service we paid for is beyond me.
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:12:00 - [11] - Quote ShadowMaster wrote: Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that. And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use.
Zagam Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension 264	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:12:00 - [12] - Quote Uh... they had the font on sisi for weeks. And it was well-reviewed. Why didn't you complain then? Oh, wait... you don't go to sisi. OP should take trolling lessons, because they rode the failboat to this thread.
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:12:00 - [13] - Quote David Rivard wrote: GavinCapacitor wrote: Trolling / 0/10 / test server for months / HTFU / can I have your stuff Pick 1+ Thread is bad OP should feel bad. Honestly, it's insulting to ask a paying customer to do a QA tester's job and go on the test server. When you're a customer paying for a premium service like EVE, you should expect it to be done right the first time it's presented to you. How we got to the point where we're expected to do something that most developers pay people to do just to get the service we paid for is beyond me. I like you. I promise not to destroy you. Unlike some other people in this thread...
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 289	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:14:00 - [14] - Quote Terrible Emo alt emoraging for peanuts !!
Sun Liping Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:25:00 - [15] - Quote Somehow i don't even find the new font better readable.. ugly as hell, and not even an improvement to the old one. CCP still has things to learn in the UI department.. oh, btw.. UI Scaling is probably nice, if only you could select which parts to increase..
Lexmana Imperial Stout 67	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:30:00 - [16] - Quote Font is fine. Actually, it grows on you.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 194	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:30:00 - [17] - Quote I'm not a fan of the new font, but it's more readable over the other one. the new font seems out of place with the spacey style of EVE. The font didn't really need much 'testing' done on the test server. However, those of you who do not like it have had a chance to respond and provide your negative feedback long before it went live. there was even a devblog about it in case you don't want to get on the test server. A devblog with screenshots and samples of the new font that you could see and comment on. Either you did not provide your feedback at all to the samples and test server version that was shown, or you were simply ignored because you were the minority.
Jacob cirth Ion Corp. Citex Alliance 13	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:37:00 - [18] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: I'm not a fan of the new font, but it's more readable over the other one. the new font seems out of place with the spacey style of EVE. The font didn't really need much 'testing' done on the test server. However, those of you who do not like it have had a chance to respond and provide your negative feedback long before it went live. there was even a devblog about it in case you don't want to get on the test server. A devblog with screenshots and samples of the new font that you could see and comment on. Either you did not provide your feedback at all to the samples and test server version that was shown, or you were simply ignored because you were the minority. Or CCP made an error and needs to correct it.
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:37:00 - [19] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: I'm not a fan of the new font, but it's more readable over the other one. the new font seems out of place with the spacey style of EVE. The font didn't really need much 'testing' done on the test server. However, those of you who do not like it have had a chance to respond and provide your negative feedback long before it went live. there was even a devblog about it in case you don't want to get on the test server. A devblog with screenshots and samples of the new font that you could see and comment on. Either you did not provide your feedback at all to the samples and test server version that was shown, or you were simply ignored because you were the minority. I said from the get go that it's more readable. Doesn't mean it's better. It looks like comic sans and is completely out of place. I personally didn't complain until now because I assumed even CCP could get something simple like this right and make it a selection instead of the only choice.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:45:00 - [20] - Quote Jacob cirth wrote: Katrina Oniseki wrote: Either you did not provide your feedback at all to the samples and test server version that was shown, or you were simply ignored because you were the minority. Or CCP made an error and needs to correct it. So one of the first two alternatives, then. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Cozmik R5 Dock 94 60	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:48:00 - [21] - Quote Any font is better than the old font. Comic Sans MS would also have done the job. Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Shang Fei The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated 6	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote new font is nice
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 194	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:50:00 - [23] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: I said from the get go that it's more readable. Doesn't mean it's better. It looks like comic sans and is completely out of place. I personally didn't complain until now because I assumed even CCP could get something simple like this right and make it a selection instead of the only choice. I'll agree that CCP [maybe] should be looking into offering more selections for their changes to the UI and such. This font thing seems like a great place to start offering selections anyways. But I don't know how EVE is coded, so for all I know, changing the font across all of EVE could be a crap-ton more complicated than we players assume. Quote: I said from the get go that it's more readable. Doesn't mean it's better. Technically, that is exactly what makes a font better. Readability is key with any font, and a font that fails to deliver that is not a good font. The old EVE font was much much worse. This font might look out of place, and it might look like comic sans, or something a girl writes her blog with... but it is better.
Jacob cirth Ion Corp. Citex Alliance 13	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:50:00 - [24] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jacob cirth wrote: Katrina Oniseki wrote: Either you did not provide your feedback at all to the samples and test server version that was shown, or you were simply ignored because you were the minority. Or CCP made an error and needs to correct it. So one of the first two alternatives, then. Nope.
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 9	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:51:00 - [25] - Quote Again, that's fine you like it. I should be able to choose.
Michael Turate The Bembridge Mining Company 21	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [26] - Quote As a partially sighted player I would like to thank CCP for the new font - it's improved the game a lot for me. Might not be the prettiest but it is doing a great job.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 214	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:54:00 - [27] - Quote David Rivard wrote: GavinCapacitor wrote: Trolling / 0/10 / test server for months / HTFU / can I have your stuff Pick 1+ Thread is bad OP should feel bad. Honestly, it's insulting to ask a paying customer to do a QA tester's job and go on the test server. When you're a customer paying for a premium service like EVE, you should expect it to be done right the first time it's presented to you. How we got to the point where we're expected to do something that most developers pay people to do just to get the service we paid for is beyond me. This is a very very stupid comment. 1. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. 2. It's a test server for the benefit of the players. You don't participate? You lose out. 3. Don't like it? Don't use it. CCP doesn't need to have Singularity running...they already have their own internal test server they can use. The test server is there so players can go in and see what is up and coming and provide feedback to CCP to make changes and fix bugs before the code goes live on Tranquility. Your entire statement is pure idiocy. Support our boobies!-áLINKY!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:54:00 - [28] - Quote Jacob cirth wrote: Nope. So there is no issue at all then, if it's not one of the first two. After all, there is no error and nothing to correct as far as anyone has been able to show. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Emiko P'eng 2	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:55:00 - [29] - Quote I went to test, I commented, I got the font I wanted! It is far clearer a vast improvement!
Galdornae KA POW POW Inc 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:56:00 - [30] - Quote This new font is horrible. Eve used to look crisp and sexy. Now it looks like a second grade typing class. The worst part is that now items on your overview are bigger, leaving less room for number of items to display. This is simply an unacceptable disadvantage in pvp situations, especially in large gangs. Please give us the option to return to the old font. This has almost completely destroyed my enthusiasm for what should have been a great expansion.
Rixiu North Star Networks The Kadeshi 29	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:57:00 - [31] - Quote Personally I prefer a font that can actually be read rather than... whatever the old font was. I think it's great and are people seriously complaining about the FONT in a GAME about INTERNET SPACESHIPS? Really?
David Rivard Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:09:00 - [32] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jacob cirth wrote: Nope. So there is no issue at all then, if it's not one of the first two. After all, there is no error and nothing to correct as far as anyone has been able to show. Pretty certain he's referring to the fact that the new font is god awful. Log in and see for yourself.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:13:00 - [33] - Quote David Rivard wrote: Pretty certain he's referring to the fact that the new font is god awful. Log in and see for yourself. I saw the fontGÇª what? Four, five weeks ago? I've also already logged in and seen it. It's still the same: a vast improvement over the horrid mess of the old font design. They fixed pretty much all the errors of the old font, especially when it comes to being able to quickly distinguish similarly-shaped glyphs, so if that's what he's referring to, then they have done the exact opposite: they've removed a very old and very nasty error, not made one. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Deviana Sevidon Jades Falcon Guards 112	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:23:00 - [34] - Quote Since the new font is scaleable and allows further improvements on the UI, there is really no point in keeping the old font and maintaining the legacy font in future UI updates would be a programmers nightmare.
rufeno Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium 28	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:32:00 - [35] - Quote anyway, as they said in one of the another 183247125 thread about the font, it would be too much work to make the font selectable.
ucntkilme DPS Delivery Truck Jokers Wild. 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:34:00 - [36] - Quote option #1: scale your UI down to 90% and reduce font size further if you need to. option #2: get a real computer capable of handling the eve font option #3: leave eve, quit complaining and let the nuts drop.
Transporter Ted Midas Tycho 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:35:00 - [37] - Quote The new font is awesome, I do believe people may be loading EVE and leaving it as it is and complaining. Play around with the settings, it is pretty awesome, really awesome, more awesome than cheese on toast... woah hold that thought, nothing is that awesome... maybe!
Galdornae KA POW POW Inc 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:59:00 - [38] - Quote Basically I now have the choice between windows that take up way too much space (wallet, scanner, overview, fleet window, etc, if I want to actually be able to see any significant amount of the information there) or I can scale it down to 90% at which point it becomes largely unreadable. Maybe on a larger screen it would work, but on my 1600 x 900 screens 90% simply isn't an option. This is a significant decrease in usability.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:12:00 - [39] - Quote GavinCapacitor wrote: Trolling / 0/10 / test server for months / HTFU / can I have your stuff Pick 1+ Thread is bad OP should feel bad. Read this thread, 18 pages, complaining about new font with CCP's dev trying to tell everyone how "awesome" the new font is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12460&find=unread The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Kyo Haku Gradient Electus Matari 12	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:19:00 - [40] - Quote I'd love to be able to switch back to the old font.
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 19	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:21:00 - [41] - Quote Haha you are complaining about the font in probably the best patch since RMR The FONT lol
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:27:00 - [42] - Quote It's almost laughable... "whine, whine, sob, sob, The new font is sooooo horrible". Come on. The new font is better and more readable. It isn't anything superbly innovating as helvetica or times once were, but it's an improvement without a doubt. You can set it up to your liking. You can distinguish between letters and numbers. It's easier on the eyes. Where's the problem? Thank you ccp for listening to your users and try to make the best out of it. NOW FIX THE ..... just kidding
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 20	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:28:00 - [43] - Quote The patch is wonderful overall. The font change is a continuation of the trend of CCP not listening to their players.
Nephilius Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co. 59	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:39:00 - [44] - Quote Font looks good to me. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt.
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:39:00 - [45] - Quote Quote: The patch is wonderful overall. The font change is a continuation of the trend of CCP not listening to their players. The font change is a result of CCP listening to their players. They just didn't implement it in a way that you would have liked them to change it.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 295	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:42:00 - [46] - Quote Kyo Haku wrote: I'd love to be able to switch back to the old font. You're not Aladin so you have no wishes !! All Aladins were on SISI, they got almost everything except a real hybrids buff
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 20	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:47:00 - [47] - Quote Vera Godspiel wrote: Quote: The patch is wonderful overall. The font change is a continuation of the trend of CCP not listening to their players. The font change is a result of CCP listening to their players. They just didn't implement it in a way that you would have liked them to change it. The font isn't a result of CCP listening to their players. It's a response to them listening to a subset of their players and making a drastic change. Even if I'm generous, which I will be since I don't feel like counting, and say that 80 percent of the people in this thread prefer the new font, that still leaves 1 out of every 5 that are unhappy. There is no reason that it isn't a selection option.
Darth Skorpius Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void 33	Posted - 2011.11.30 02:05:00 - [48] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: Vera Godspiel wrote: Quote: The patch is wonderful overall. The font change is a continuation of the trend of CCP not listening to their players. The font change is a result of CCP listening to their players. They just didn't implement it in a way that you would have liked them to change it. The font isn't a result of CCP listening to their players. It's a response to them listening to a subset of their players and making a drastic change. Even if I'm generous, which I will be since I don't feel like counting, and say that 80 percent of the people in this thread prefer the new font, that still leaves 1 out of every 5 that are unhappy. There is no reason that it isn't a selection option. oh boo hoo. you said yourself you didnt bring it up eariler, so its your own fault for assuming ccp would jsut give the option. next times you should actually bring up your issues, even if to you its common sence. otherwise stop complaining and go post in features and ideas. Follow my Adventures in New Eden! http://skorpiuschronicles.wordpress.com/ Baa Means Baa!
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 02:10:00 - [49] - Quote I guess CCP should be happy they have at least some fan bois again that will defend even terrible developer decisions. The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 02:16:00 - [50] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: Vera Godspiel wrote: Quote: The patch is wonderful overall. The font change is a continuation of the trend of CCP not listening to their players. The font change is a result of CCP listening to their players. They just didn't implement it in a way that you would have liked them to change it. The font isn't a result of CCP listening to their players. It's a response to them listening to a subset of their players and making a drastic change. Even if I'm generous, which I will be since I don't feel like counting, and say that 80 percent of the people in this thread prefer the new font, that still leaves 1 out of every 5 that are unhappy. There is no reason that it isn't a selection option. That is absolutely true Badezimmer. But a selection option is very likely not a very simple thing to implement. This is an option that will please (and i'm using your numbers here) 80% of the players. That is a good thing and it does imply that ccp is listening. Maybe a future patch will bring a selection option when they see the amount of players that want that. Still, that will mean that some players will whine about the fact that they can't change the font in every bloody font installed on their system. There's simply no way to please everyone. So. If you are pleased with the rest of the patch, isn't this just a small inconvenience? EDIT: Oh.. and Rhaegor Stormborn... Just because i'm not sharing your opinion does not make me a fan boy. Learn to spell, think first next time and please; next time check the picture and refer to me as a girl. I do understand that you've never seen one before, but you must have heard of them.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 02:51:00 - [51] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12460 The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:07:00 - [52] - Quote Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12460 nice... and now what? Why don't you go sit in a corner and do your research like a grown up boy. How many people are playing eve, how many people are on that topic and how many of the players would simply like the font or any of the other changes in this patch and not be active on the forums? If you don't have anything more usefull to say, go play pong or something
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:21:00 - [53] - Quote Vera Godspiel wrote: next time check the picture and refer to me as a girl. I do understand that you've never seen one before, but you must have heard of them. This explains a lot. The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:39:00 - [54] - Quote Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: Vera Godspiel wrote: next time check the picture and refer to me as a girl. I do understand that you've never seen one before, but you must have heard of them. This explains a lot. It does explain a lot.. It explains that some people assume before thinking. And that prejudice is still with us. Rhaegor, stop assuming, start thinking. You start to make me feel that I should assume you're a 14 year old whiny kid that doesn't know anything, yet finds himself incredibly wise and smart. Don't prove that assumption and come up with something more then just a sexistic remark about women.
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 20	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:46:00 - [55] - Quote Vera Godspiel wrote: Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: Vera Godspiel wrote: Quote: The patch is wonderful overall. The font change is a continuation of the trend of CCP not listening to their players. The font change is a result of CCP listening to their players. They just didn't implement it in a way that you would have liked them to change it. The font isn't a result of CCP listening to their players. It's a response to them listening to a subset of their players and making a drastic change. Even if I'm generous, which I will be since I don't feel like counting, and say that 80 percent of the people in this thread prefer the new font, that still leaves 1 out of every 5 that are unhappy. There is no reason that it isn't a selection option. That is absolutely true Badezimmer. But a selection option is very likely not a very simple thing to implement. This is an option that will please (and i'm using your numbers here) 80% of the players. That is a good thing and it does imply that ccp is listening. Maybe a future patch will bring a selection option when they see the amount of players that want that. Still, that will mean that some players will whine about the fact that they can't change the font in every bloody font installed on their system. There's simply no way to please everyone. So. If you are pleased with the rest of the patch, isn't this just a small inconvenience? EDIT: Oh.. and Rhaegor Stormborn... Just because i'm not sharing your opinion does not make me a fan boy. Learn to spell, think first next time and please; next time check the picture and refer to me as a girl. I do understand that you've never seen one before, but you must have heard of them. There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be a simple thing to implement. Assuming it's written properly then within reasonable limits the text fields will automatically scale, position, and wrap any font or font size.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:48:00 - [56] - Quote Vera Godspiel wrote: Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: Vera Godspiel wrote: next time check the picture and refer to me as a girl. I do understand that you've never seen one before, but you must have heard of them. This explains a lot. It does explain a lot.. It explains that some people assume before thinking. And that prejudice is still with us. Rhaegor, stop assuming, start thinking. You start to make me feel that I should assume you're a 14 year old whiny kid that doesn't know anything, yet finds himself incredibly wise and smart. Don't prove that assumption and come up with something more then just a sexistic remark about women. 36 with a wife and 2 kids. I am not 14, but you are a woman. The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Kyra Felann The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:54:00 - [57] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: I said from the get go that it's more readable. Doesn't mean it's better. Actually, it does. Text exists to be read. A font that makes that easier is better. What I'm reading is: "I acknowledge that it's better, but I'm not used to it, so I'm going to complain."
Psychophantic 152	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:03:00 - [58] - Quote Come on guys. Ship spinning wasn't vital to the game, you can still accomplish everything you used to be able to do using the CQ interfaces. Shouldn't you be out flying around in space instead? It would be too much work for CCP to implement an option to choose hangar or CQ. I just don't understand why so many people are crying over this change.
Arakoinae Veldor Rock Grinders The Silent One's 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:04:00 - [59] - Quote Can't stay the same for ever.I like the new changes just have to weed out the bugs that come with it.
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 20	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:07:00 - [60] - Quote Kyra Felann wrote: Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: I said from the get go that it's more readable. Doesn't mean it's better. Actually, it does. Text exists to be read. A font that makes that easier is better. What I'm reading is: "I acknowledge that it's better, but I'm not used to it, so I'm going to complain." I'm complaining because it's bigger and it's screwed up my overview and because it's goofy looking in a sci-fi themed game. But my biggest complaint is that this is a change that has upset a sizable number of players and we aren't being given a choice.
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 74	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:09:00 - [61] - Quote I too want the choice to choose an inferior product because that's what freedom is.
ShadowMaster 27	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:17:00 - [62] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: ShadowMaster wrote: Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that. And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use. Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible. If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120 It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her. Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort.
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:22:00 - [63] - Quote Quote: There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be a simple thing to implement. Assuming it's written properly then within reasonable limits the text fields will automatically scale, position, and wrap any font or font size. I'm not sure about that. I'm not a programmer per s+¬. The experience I have sais that it isn't simple in most occasions, but If you have experience in that field that sais otherwise then i'd be happy to believe you. Quote: I'm complaining because it's bigger and it's screwed up my overview and because it's goofy looking in a sci-fi themed game. But my biggest complaint is that this is a change that has upset a sizable number of players and we aren't being given a choice. That isn't nescisarily true. The font size can be changed per "object" And If you find it goofy looking, what do you think would be an alternative? Most sci-fi themed fonts aren't readable at all without them being quite big. Most of them are script letters and meant for big titles. A font like times new roman is actually specifically tailored to be readable and has more of a chance to make it as future typeface. I do agree it would really be bad to use that as eve font though. Quote: 36 with a wife and 2 kids. I am not 14, but you are a woman. great. You still assume and apparently have a hard time interpreting my last remark. I pity your wife and children. Let me help you back to reality. I'm not a woman, I do know what i'm talking about if it's about typography (that's stuff about fonts), I'm unfortunately not blessed with children yet, I'm about the same age as you claim to be, I've only "implied" that I could be a woman because you so blatently stepped over the possibility that I might be one, I do think that you are probably capable of much more then just whining and say constructive things, I love to keep this discussion going as long as you keep trying to make yourself scarse of any descent reply, and I'd love to actually see you make a remark back that I can't counter within a lot less time then it takes to actually type more then 1 character.
Psychophantic 152	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:23:00 - [64] - Quote ShadowMaster wrote: Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort. This. It's not worth the amount of time and money for CCP to bring back ship spinning and the hangar. Ya'll just need to HTFU.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:24:00 - [65] - Quote Psychophantic wrote: It's not worth the amount of time and money for CCP to bring back ship spinning and the hangar. Wanna bet? The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Zoe Alarhun The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation 74	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:28:00 - [66] - Quote I like the new font. People had ample time to give feedback about it from blog/sisi.
Psychophantic 152	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:37:00 - [67] - Quote Zoe Alarhun wrote: I like the new font. People had ample time to give feedback about it from blog/sisi. I don't like the new font and people did give feedback about it.
flank steak Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 113	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:39:00 - [68] - Quote this saddens my just like the new turret icons. The new turret icons were great and everybody cried because they couldn't adjust. Now we are stuck with hand drawn cannons in a Sci-Fi MMO. It is just a font. You can get over it. Do you cry every time you read a new book too?
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 166	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:40:00 - [69] - Quote Zoe Alarhun wrote: I like the new font. People had ample time to give feedback about it from blog/sisi. They did. Apparently you are ignorant. The new font is terrible. CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent.
Ris Dnalor Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan 56	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:43:00 - [70] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: The new font is hideous. Honestly, it looks like a debug font that no one got around to changing. It may be more readable, but give us the option for the old one. It's really not that hard. Fix the logi popup bug and give us the option to suppress the warning all together. Not all of us are stupid carebears who are too dumb to stay alive. Bring back ship spinning -- Oh wait, you did learn on that one. Can you please learn from that example and stop changing things for the worse without giving us the opportunity to suppress teh changes? amen. Let us have the old font if we want it. this new sh\|t is Sh\|t.
Psychophantic 152	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:44:00 - [71] - Quote flank steak wrote: Do you cry every time you read a new book too? I'd cry if I was made to read the Twilight saga instead of something from Lee Child, Reilly or Crichton.
Steveir Hagukure Empire Industry 14	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:47:00 - [72] - Quote Jihzma Mei wrote: The funny thing is that the outcry would be 10x as big if they were switching from this font to the old one. The old font sucked man, let it die. I won't be sending any flower either. For the first time playing Eve I haven't had to strain my eyes to read chat channels. I know its less futuristic but I'm quite prepared to have CCP Babies for changing the font, and anyone who prefers the old font either is playing on a 50" screen or has a big laptop stuffed under their nose.
Psychophantic 152	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:56:00 - [73] - Quote Steveir wrote: I won't be sending any flower either. For the first time playing Eve I haven't had to strain my eyes to read chat channels. I know its less futuristic but I'm quite prepared to have CCP Babies for changing the font, and anyone who prefers the old font either is playing on a 50" screen or has a big laptop stuffed under their nose. Anybody who thinks the earth is round or the earth orbits the sun is a heretic.
Vera Godspiel The Perfect Harvesting Experience 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:03:00 - [74] - Quote Psychophantic wrote: Anybody who thinks the earth is round or the earth orbits the sun is a heretic. The earth afer all is round..... like a pancake :D And what is this sun you speak of.... Must be that little yellow ball in the sky. Surely we cannot be orbiting that. And on a further note..... Darwin had it all wrong. His theory of evolution does not fit in 4000 years
Ris Dnalor Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan 56	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:03:00 - [75] - Quote Jihzma Mei wrote: The funny thing is that the outcry would be 10x as big if they were switching from this font to the old one. The old font sucked man, let it die. I loved the old font for 8 years and still love it. long live the old-font!
Ris Dnalor Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan 56	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:06:00 - [76] - Quote ShadowMaster wrote: Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: ShadowMaster wrote: Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that. And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use. Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible. If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120 It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her. Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort. i've been staying up on that thread you linked. It's bullcrap. They should never have abandoned the old font. period. They could've fixed it without destroying it.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 202	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:32:00 - [77] - Quote Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: Again, that's fine you like it. I should be able to choose. You're right, of course. It should be a choice and let's be honest, it's dead-easy with fonts, it's not a huge codebase change. However, having said that, I for one am much happier with the new font, it is far easier to read. Drawback is all my windows have to be resized, but that's not a showstopper for me. So thanks for the new font CCP - Just please consider giving us the choice of font to use. It's not difficult with Carbon. Peace out. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 28	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:33:00 - [78] - Quote I agree with OP that options are good. It seems strange that I can't choose from a large variety of fonts/sizes. I also agree with OP that there should be a way to deactivate the logi warning (as there is with other warnings.) I don't consider either of these two things significant enough to be worthy of anger or bitterness, but I'm a pretty mellow dude.
Jacob cirth Ion Corp. Citex Alliance 15	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:35:00 - [79] - Quote Ris Dnalor wrote: ShadowMaster wrote: Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: ShadowMaster wrote: Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that. And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use. Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible. If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120 It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her. Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort. i've been staying up on that thread you linked. It's bullcrap. They should never have abandoned the old font. period. They could've fixed it without destroying it. Agreed. All I see in that thread is a dev not wanting to do their job.
Ni Cho Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:37:00 - [80] - Quote NO To the OP's suggestion. 2 for 2
Badezimmer Zerstorer TERRIBLE EMO ALTS REGIME 22	Posted - 2011.11.30 15:01:00 - [81] - Quote ShadowMaster wrote: Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote: ShadowMaster wrote: Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that. And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use. Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible. If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120 It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her. Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort. Punkturis responded twice with no information, and what do they mean "not possible?" What the hell did they do. It should be a very easy feature to add. What did they do? Hard code all the positions for the text?
Mal Darkrunner Zero Tau Research Institute 30	Posted - 2011.11.30 16:59:00 - [82] - Quote The new font is stored in EVE's .stuff files and appears to be in OpenType (.otf) format. Assuming they're using the standard file format it really shouldn't be that much work to swap the .otf files for a different font, or add an option to select from a list of multiple fonts. Of course it all depends on the architecture of their UI code. If they have proportions hard-coded, for example, then it would be a lot of work to make changes...however if that were true then it would be somewhat poorly-designed . Now if some enterprising individual could work out a way to replace the stuffed .otf files...

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 260	Posted - 2011.11.30 17:01:00 - [83] - Quote Please do not create multiple threads about the same topic. Thread locked. You can keep discussions about fonts here or here. For general feedback please use the official feedback thread. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator


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