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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:46:00 -
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It is funny that the new font is what will kill Eve for a lot of people. I wonder if it will be more than 18 months or Incarna. |
Phoebus Raszamar
Valkyria Epsilon
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:48:00 -
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L.o.l. at all these posts..
*sigh
Just adding wind to the fire here.. option to change back to the old font please (and thank you)
One thing that intimidates me is not being able to understand what I should be able to understand - or at least, people telling me what I can or cannot understand.
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Foofad
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:49:00 -
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I really don't understand how you can not read the new font compared to the old one. At all. But I'm fine with giving the option to toggle between the two. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:55:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Why change something that no one has a problem with?
I had a problem with it. Stop speaking for everyone. |
Mymh Heretache
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:19:00 -
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Let's have a look at the new font, shall we.. http://i.imgur.com/M8T1N.jpg
A) The inconsistency - the UI scaling gets completely redundant, since the size of texts are different and thus scale a hell of a lot different too - rightclick menu is really really small, so is chatbox texts (the latter can be fixed by A+'ing, the first can't) - names of locations and players are always huge, from local, to the scanner, to the market, to the overview - number descriptions (isk in market, distance in scanner, velocity/distance in overview) is always huge - the Route-window is really MASSIVE - tab-names (chatbox names, tabs in market, overview, scanner etc) is always small - drone names are big
TL;DR = this could be fixed by having a better consistency in the 'everyday text'. Overview text, market text, rightclick menu, drone names, chatbox texts, tab text etc could be similar size by default, that way when we scale things up/down, the game won't be broken by massive or tiny vital texts.
B) The wide space - this is purely related to the font, try scale chatbox text up/down, some "smaller" texts are actually wider than the bigger size - the overview, market, scanner etc suffers primarily by this, their text would not be so massive if it wasn't so wide/space'd texts
C) What is good then? - the intention from CCP to scale things up/down is quite good, especially considering how things develop with higher resolutions, playing on a TV, helping players with visual impair etc
I.e. these changes were made with a good intention, and the idea behind it wasn't bad. The execution and testing of it was. The current state is completely gamebreaking and should never have been released in the first place. Scaling and options is nice and user-friendly, this is a customer service we would and should appreciate. But how CCP can release this is really beyond me.
I'm not sure how they want me to appreciate our new ships, the nebula etc, when my overview takes a third of my screen by just (barely) showing the vital information I need in combat? When the rightclick menu is so small I can barely read it, just because I scaled things down so I'd be able to read market/overview - am I not supposed to be able to use rightclick menu and overview same time, is that a new challenge mode put in EVE?
Right now I am wondering if CCP just want me to farm lv4 missions in highsec (but not looting obviously, since the market is eating up all space too so selling loot will be a pain - obviously lv4's will have the added benefit of me not having to buy much PvP ships either so I can focus on killing NPCs). Then I don't have to worry about the overview and rightclick menus much either. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
150
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:51:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12460 The new font is terrible. |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:08:00 -
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What size monitor are you using? I'm using a 19" monitor and its way worse than that screen shot for me.
I said earlier on, looks like CCP hasn't tested it on different screen resolutions/sizes. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1750
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:17:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:I said earlier on, looks like CCP hasn't tested it on different screen resolutions/sizes. GǪand this is why it's a good idea to use the test server: to provide all the various cases they might not have though of.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:NickyYo wrote:I said earlier on, looks like CCP hasn't tested it on different screen resolutions/sizes. GǪand this is why it's a good idea to use the test server: to provide all the various cases they might not have though of.
Probably so, but i have better things to do than download the 4 gig sisi client and to then spend my free time bug testing. We pay CCP for that.
EDIT: However, i did download it a couple of days to test ride the new bc and to view the new scenery, but i do not download it for each expansion to test for bugs.
As the guy said below, we did tell CPP it was broke though i posted about it yesterday. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
150
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:NickyYo wrote:I said earlier on, looks like CCP hasn't tested it on different screen resolutions/sizes. GǪand this is why it's a good idea to use the test server: to provide all the various cases they might not have though of.
We did, they didn't listen. Check the test server feedback thread. The new font is terrible. |
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Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:06:00 -
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instead of making an entirely new font, only the problem character should of been addressed.
Doing this would of saved CCP costs on many levels.
1. Production cost of the font - have to pay someone to make it. 2. Incorporation cost of the font - implement the font within the existing windows. 3. OPPORTUNITY COSTS - what could of devs been doing for the expansion if they weren't dealing with the new fonts?
How much money would it of cost to change just a few problem characters? Vs. How much did it cost? How much will it cost fixing this? vs. What is this cost concept I speak of? LEAKED: NEW Amarr CQ Ambient Sounds!! |
Crexa
Star Mandate Property Management Solutions
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:17:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:I do not believe anyone who claims to be able to read the old font but not the new one. I understand if you do not like how it looks but I call lies if you say you cant read this! Part of the reason the font is ugly is because it is so clear to read.
There is a difference between legibility and readability. Your confusing the two. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Matsumoto Motsu
the black iron core Fall From Grace.
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:19:00 -
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Crexa wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I do not believe anyone who claims to be able to read the old font but not the new one. I understand if you do not like how it looks but I call lies if you say you cant read this! Part of the reason the font is ugly is because it is so clear to read. There is a difference between legibility and readability. Your confusing the two.
Who the **** cares? One is content to compare the old with the new and point fingers.
Why would it be hard to ******* FIX the 666 problems and be done with it? Did they lose the sources files for the fonts? seriously |
Wacktopia
Sicarius.
46
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:22:00 -
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New font > Old font.
I am infallible in this opinion. |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:23:00 -
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NickyYo wrote: Why change something that no one has a problem with?
Are you blind or stupid? TONs of people had problems with the old font. The new font is good. |
ariana ailith
Aribar Conglomerate
8
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:26:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:As I posted in another thread, I'm not a fan of this font. It is easier to distinguish characters than it was with the other font. However this one doesn't fit with the style of EVE in my opinion. I'm no typography expert, but it seems to me that a cleaner and smoother font would have fit better.
Very very true. Exactly my thoughts. |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:39:00 -
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This is just CCP's plan to get rid of poor and blind white trash rtards. New font looks nice on my 27" monitors, i only have 3 of them but I'll live. what you think next will happen now |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:41:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:NickyYo wrote:the new font also requires theuser to move their eyes more to read a sentance, how is that more user friendly? You lost me there. Troll! 8/10 Will continue to read. Slade
No, the font is larger. Go look at ship names in your hangar, they wrap round before the old font did. This means that the length of a sentence is longer, so your eyes have to move further to read it. The fact that people are finding a larger font harder to read means there is a problem.
I hate the new font, I run at 1920 x 1080 and I've played with the UI scaling. One of the issues is that the font is actually too large, but if you reduce the UI scaling, it becomes unreadable. This sounds odd, but in your assets folder the old font had a reasonable gap between each line, which helped with reading. The new, larger font doesn't leave as much space between each line, so you get the wall of text effect and can't read as easily. |
Vihura
Vihura Cor
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:52:00 -
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Mymh Heretache wrote:Let's have a look at the new font, shall we.. http://i.imgur.com/M8T1N.jpgA) The inconsistency - the UI scaling gets completely redundant, since the size of texts are different and thus scale a hell of a lot different too - rightclick menu is really really small, so is chatbox texts (the latter can be fixed by A+'ing, the first can't) - names of locations and players are always huge, from local, to the scanner, to the market, to the overview - number descriptions (isk in market, distance in scanner, velocity/distance in overview) is always huge - the Route-window is really MASSIVE - tab-names (chatbox names, tabs in market, overview, scanner etc) is always small - drone names are big TL;DR = this could be fixed by having a better consistency in the 'everyday text'. Overview text, market text, rightclick menu, drone names, chatbox texts, tab text etc could be similar size by default, that way when we scale things up/down, the game won't be broken by massive or tiny vital texts. B) The wide space - this is purely related to the font, try scale chatbox text up/down, some "smaller" texts are actually wider than the bigger size - the overview, market, scanner etc suffers primarily by this, their text would not be so massive if it wasn't so wide/space'd texts .
This UI dont feel right and is very incosistent, but for me is not big deal i get use to fonts after 2h of playing. |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
21
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:55:00 -
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The new font is far better. It's easier to read even when the letters are smaller.
And most of all - the new font lets you easily read if it's a capital o or a zero.
-1 "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
23
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:11:00 -
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Dr Karsun wrote:The new font is far better. It's easier to read even when the letters are smaller.
And most of all - the new font lets you easily read if it's a capital o or a zero.
-1
I've never had cancer, so cancer doesn't exist isn't a valid argument. |
M1AU
Farstriders New Eden Industrie Alliance
33
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:16:00 -
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I like the new font, please don't revert to the unreadable one. But of course, there's always room for improvements, so the devs should take note and improve upon the new implemented fonts. |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
22
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:17:00 -
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All these fanboe are actually ruining the game, praising everything CCP does making them feel they have done a good overall job, i most cases this is true but not this one.
Anyways fix your font, you changed the font to benefit the nerds who were complaining a while back to make it bigger because they got big computer screens. And you have ****** all us normal computer users over, who have a normal computer monitor.
This new font will scare new players off, you wanna know why? if i just joined and seen that crap il turn away. everyone in our corp says the same. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:18:00 -
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nahtoh wrote:Old font, ok on the 19" monitor, really fecking hard to read on the 24".
New font readable on both. real improvement on the 24" monitor.
Fuction over form.
Totally agree. I support the new font its a lot more readable than the old IMO.
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Ejit
STD contractors
17
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:21:00 -
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Yeah the new font takes me back to my Spectrum days circa 1982
But I find it perfectly readable, although the "s p a c i n g" I find is a little wide and could perhaps be tightened up a little. |
Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
35
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:23:00 -
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i like the new font. perfectly fine. i think people haven't figured out yet that you can make it bigger or smaller. |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
22
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:26:00 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:i like the new font. perfectly fine. i think people haven't figured out yet that you can make it bigger or smaller.
Every time a new player takes out a trial for this game you tell them that OK? This font is going seriously harm eves growth, all because some fat nerds complained the font was to small because they have go over the top with massive monitors. |
Mhulak
Varangian Cartel
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:27:00 -
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The old font was horrible, often completely unreadable @2560x1600. The new font isn't perfect but much better than the old one.
Strongly disagree with op, -1. |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
35
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:28:00 -
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Old font was a nightmare to read, the new I have no problem with. |
Ejit
STD contractors
17
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:30:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:i like the new font. perfectly fine. i think people haven't figured out yet that you can make it bigger or smaller. Every time a new player takes out a trial for this game you tell them that OK? This font is going seriously harm eves growth, all because some fat nerds complained the font was to small because they have go over the top with massive monitors.
I think it's mostly the basement dwellers sitting in the dark all day and end up with myopic glaucoma eyes that are complaining.
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