Why do you make a good patch and then let it down with something like FONTS!! LOL!
Why change something that no one has a problem with?

+1

Understood that CCP is aiming for the new technologies and stuff but I play at 15" brand new MacBook Pro that costs like hell and I can't see anything anymore with this font. Every single irrelevant tab is enlarged, character spacing is HUGE and everything is so heavy to read. Why don't you guys simple install this Arial if you want to change something? Or have us pick what font we would like to use. This is horror and I have HARD time to play!

I do not believe anyone who claims to be able to read the old font but not the new one. I understand if you do not like how it looks but I call lies if you say you cant read this! Part of the reason the font is ugly is because it is so clear to read.

Wait. So what are you talking about?

First, you mention fonts, and now you're talking about something that no-one has a problem with? What is that? It can't be the font, since it has been pretty much the most requested change for, oh, the last five years or so. The new one improves readability to a huge degree by offering some actual differentiation between similarly shaped glyphs. Functionality trumps looks.

Wait. So what are you talking about?

First, you mention fonts, and now you're talking about something that no-one has a problem with? What is that? It can't be the font, since it has been pretty much the most requested change for, oh, the last five years or so. The new one improves readability to a huge degree by offering some actual differentiation between similarly shaped glyphs. Functionality trumps looks.

Why change something that no one has a problem with?

Stop trying to act smart and come back down to earth please,
The new font is a joke and there was no problems with the last font.

Stop trying to act smart and come back down to earth please,
The new font is a joke and there was no problems with the last font.

Stop trying to act smart

Stop trying to act smart and come back down to earth please,
I had no problems with the old font and I don't like the new font. Also I have a strange medical condition that conflates my personal opinion with that of the entire playerbase

I don't need to act. How about you instead stop trying to make claims that have no basis in reality. People have been asking for an improved font for ages, and now we got one. The old font was awful in every way imaginable, particularly when it came to legibility and distinction of glyphs GÇö two things you definitely want in a text/numbers-heavy application.

If you believe otherwise, you simply haven't been paying attention and need to stop acting like you know anything about the issue.

The new fonts are not improved, my eyes feel blury when it.

Anyways if i could put a bet on at the bookies, CCP chaning back to the old font will be one of them.

Get some glasses? That would probably help you spot the glaringly obvious flaws in the old font too (not to mention the vast improvements the new one offers).
If you want to throw away money like that, I'm willing to take it off your hands.

... but I play at 15" brand new MacBook Pro that costs like hell...

Why don't you try quoting my whole statement, instead of cherry picking bits to quote.

The new fonts are not improved, my eyes feel blury when i read it, its tiring.

the new font also requires theuser to move their eyes more to read a sentance, how is that more user friendly?

The new font just hurts. It feels like 1995. I really have to strain to read it. I can't see playing more then a couple hours without some serious eye exhaustion.

I see that some people like it. Hopefully CCP will just add an an option to select which font we prefer to use.

the new font also requires theuser to move their eyes more to read a sentance, how is that more user friendly?

That's because your eye has to move more with this new font, an i think CCP haven't tested it on smaller monitors...

Why do you make a good patch and then let it down with something like FONTS!! LOL!
Why change something that no one has a problem with?
You just add fuel to the fire with every patch by doing stupid things like this.

A quote from my corpie "UI is fked up and the new font looks like something a girl would use on her blog lol"

Anyways Nice patch! apart from the fonts ofcourse...

I posted this elsewhere on one of the million other 'i hate the font' posts... located: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120&p=5

The font is fine... People forget the reason for the font change and that is to increase scalability of the game itself.

As a player who plays eve on a very large TV, the old font was unreadable at best. I would have to get 3 inches from the screen in order to vaguely make anything readable.

On my TV i set my UI scaling to 110% and it works perfect, while on my monitor I set it to 90% and it looks okay. Now I would however like to get the fonts even smaller on my monitors (non TV's) so having an 80 and 75% UI scale would be a good thing.

But in really the whole 'i hate this font!' is nothing new, we've hated the old font for years and now you hate the new font. CCP will never be able to cater to everyone, nor should they. With this patch the new font is all about UI scalability, and that functionality works surprisingly well. So great job on that CCP - much appreciated.

For all you whiners out there, scale your UI down to 90% and if the chat fonts are still too large click the a- button on your chat windows to reduce the size and it looks great. That is until CCP implements or decides if they implement different scalability options.

If that doesn't work for you and you still want to act like stupid insolent children feel free to visit the account management page and cancel your subscriptions and never play EVE again. Honestly, no one will miss you and your disappearance from the game will only make EVE a better world for the rest of us.

Thus far, great job on the patch CCP! Excited to see more of this new side from you, hope it continues in this positive way for many patches to come!!

+1

Understood that CCP is aiming for the new technologies and stuff but I play at 15" brand new MacBook Pro that costs like hell and I can't see anything anymore with this font. Every single irrelevant tab is enlarged, character spacing is HUGE and everything is so heavy to read. Why don't you guys simple install this Arial if you want to change something? Or have us pick what font we would like to use. This is horror and I have HARD time to play!

Cool story bro,
Normal people don't use TV'S toplay EVE.
How many people use screens bigger than 21", i would love to know those statistics.

So change the font, for the small majority of whiners, whining the old font was to small..

Cool story bro,
Normal people don't use TV'S toplay EVE.
How many people use screens bigger than 21", i would love to know those statistics.

So change the font, for the small majority of whiners, whining the old font was to small..

Cool story bro,
Normal people don't use TV'S toplay EVE.
How many people use screens bigger than 21", i would love to know those statistics.

So change the font, for the small majority of whiners, whining the old font was to small..

I couldn't tell you how many people play on screens bigger than 21" but i'd be willing to bet that it's more than you think these days. But lets go to the other monitors on my other computer. That one has a 32 inch 720P and a 20 inch wide screen HP 2009m

When i first logged into eve on that computer on the 20 inch wide, yes windows were big. When i scaled the UI down to 90% that helped A LOT. would like like to see it smaller on that monitor? absolutely, but at 90% the fonts and windows aren't so utterly huge that the game is 'unplayable' like many of these whining babies are making it seem.

even IF the font was a huge mistake on CCP's part, the fact that the 'font' (read: users inability to understand UI scaling) is the only 'real issue' people are having. To me that says CCP has stepped up and knocked the ball out of the park.

Not emptyquoting. We get a far, far easier to read font and people are throwing the dummy out of the pram simply because it's not 'SciFi' or 'Cool' enough? Sure, I'd like that too but first and foremost I should be able to read and parse the text easily. Function over Form.

+1

I actually struggle to read this font, and had no problems whatsoever with reading the old font.

Too big and cluttered.

Overview, chat windows and items / ships are now off limits to my eyes.

I have to say I really prefer the old font, the new one is probably ergonomic and all the other UI buzz words they use but it feels clunky and well unwelcoming....

It feels nonprofessional.

Are you all blind? The font spacing is HUGE. Just hold it next to this forum fonts which is very good to the eye. You see the letters here are closer to eachother.

T h e E v e c h a t n o w l o o k s l i k e t h i s . . .

How can you like that?

Why change something that no one has a problem with?

Let's have a look at the new font, shall we..
http://i.imgur.com/M8T1N.jpg

I said earlier on, looks like CCP hasn't tested it on different screen resolutions/sizes.

GǪand this is why it's a good idea to use the test server: to provide all the various cases they might not have though of.

GǪand this is why it's a good idea to use the test server: to provide all the various cases they might not have though of.

I do not believe anyone who claims to be able to read the old font but not the new one. I understand if you do not like how it looks but I call lies if you say you cant read this! Part of the reason the font is ugly is because it is so clear to read.

There is a difference between legibility and readability. Your confusing the two.

Why change something that no one has a problem with?

As I posted in another thread, I'm not a fan of this font. It is easier to distinguish characters than it was with the other font. However this one doesn't fit with the style of EVE in my opinion. I'm no typography expert, but it seems to me that a cleaner and smoother font would have fit better.

You lost me there.

Troll!

8/10

Will continue to read.


Slade

Let's have a look at the new font, shall we..
http://i.imgur.com/M8T1N.jpg

A) The inconsistency
- the UI scaling gets completely redundant, since the size of texts are different and thus scale a hell of a lot different too
- rightclick menu is really really small, so is chatbox texts (the latter can be fixed by A+'ing, the first can't)
- names of locations and players are always huge, from local, to the scanner, to the market, to the overview
- number descriptions (isk in market, distance in scanner, velocity/distance in overview) is always huge
- the Route-window is really MASSIVE
- tab-names (chatbox names, tabs in market, overview, scanner etc) is always small
- drone names are big

TL;DR = this could be fixed by having a better consistency in the 'everyday text'. Overview text, market text, rightclick menu, drone names, chatbox texts, tab text etc could be similar size by default, that way when we scale things up/down, the game won't be broken by massive or tiny vital texts.

B) The wide space
- this is purely related to the font, try scale chatbox text up/down, some "smaller" texts are actually wider than the bigger size
- the overview, market, scanner etc suffers primarily by this, their text would not be so massive if it wasn't so wide/space'd texts

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The new font is far better. It's easier to read even when the letters are smaller.

And most of all - the new font lets you easily read if it's a capital o or a zero.

-1

Old font, ok on the 19" monitor, really fecking hard to read on the 24".

New font readable on both. real improvement on the 24" monitor.

Fuction over form.

i like the new font. perfectly fine. i think people haven't figured out yet that you can make it bigger or smaller.

Every time a new player takes out a trial for this game you tell them that OK?
This font is going seriously harm eves growth, all because some fat nerds complained the font was to small because they have go over the top with massive monitors.

Every time a new player takes out a trial for this game you tell them that OK?
This font is going seriously harm eves growth, all because some fat nerds complained the font was to small because they have go over the top with massive monitors.

All these fanboe are actually ruining the game, praising everything CCP does making them feel they have done a good overall job, i most cases this is true but not this one.

Anyways fix your font, you changed the font to benefit the nerds who were complaining a while back to make it bigger because they got big computer screens. And you have ****** all us normal computer users over, who have a normal computer monitor.

This new font will scare new players off, you wanna know why? if i just joined and seen that crap il turn away. everyone in our corp says the same.

Why do you make a good patch and then let it down with something like FONTS!! LOL!
Why change something that no one has a problem with?
You just add fuel to the fire with every patch by doing stupid things like this.

A quote from my corpie "UI is fked up and the new font looks like something a girl would use on her blog lol"

Anyways Nice patch! apart from the fonts ofcourse...

I have struggled with the old font for years! I like the new font as it means i can actually differentiate between certain letters / numbers.

So i disagree with your comments.

Titan

So, the problem doesn't exist because you aren't affected by it? Do you have cancer or aids? Do they still exist?

+1

Although yes it's clearer, it has somehow changed the feel of the game, IMO it's not the font so much as the lowercase letters.

In RL I work as an engineer, in engineering documents it is common practice to use all capital letters for clarity. IMO this gives a certain feel which is probably part of what attracted me to UI of EVE - it is familiar and 'Techy' looking. The UI now looks less cool intersteller HUD/Technical manual and more childlike with it's lowercase font all over the place.

BRING BACK CAPS AND THE 'TECH' LOOK PLEASE

Wait. So what are you talking about?

First, you mention fonts, and now you're talking about something that no-one has a problem with? What is that? It can't be the font, since it has been pretty much the most requested change for, oh, the last five years or so. The new one improves readability to a huge degree by offering some actual differentiation between similarly shaped glyphs. Functionality trumps looks.