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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
268
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:27:47 -
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For the last eleven years Amarr has been under constant attack from Matari elements bent on bringing destruction and devastation to peaceful populations. First it was merely rogue pod pilot terrorists groups. Then, after his successful coup d'etat, Shakor launched the largest surprise attack in recent memory in violation of a century of peace between the Republic and Empire.
After many years of war and much destruction we have reached a breathing point in which Amarrian capsuleers have attained total victory in the warzone. As things stand, this will not last. The tides will change since this engagement has been tied to the fortunes of capsuleers. And then more people in installations across the region will start dying.
But in this moment of defeat for those capsuleer forces loyal to the Republican, it is worth asking whether the Republic can afford this cycle to continue?
For the Empire, this war is affordable. We are fighting in regions that have been called Devoid and the Bleak Lands for a very good reason. The Bleak Lands themselves are only a recent addition to the Empire. Together, the threatened portion of the Amarr Empire is only about 5% of the total territory of the Amarrian Empire.
By contrast, the threatened systems in Matari space include some extremely high value real estate such as Amamake with its 19 Stations. The territory under threat, and currently entirely under Amarrian Control, is something around 15% of the Republic's total territory.
When you add in the rather imbalanced population math, even if the Republic were able to consistently win this strange CONCORD treaty defined war it is not clear that they would actually be winning the war in the long term. The drain on resources is simply a higher percentage of their resources than the drain on the Empire.
And the Republic has not been able to consistently win this treaty defined war. This should be obvious from the current victory that the 24th Imperial Crusade has attained.
It is time for the Republic's leadership to realize this and end this war before they end their own existence. It is time that they accept that they have thrown away a century of peace for a failed surprise attack and a war that they cannot hope to win.
It is time that they consider seriously offering concessions to Amarr to end this war that they started. It is time that they give up on Shakor and allow him to be tried and convicted for his many crimes.
Amarr has proven repeatedly over the last century that we are willing to work for peace in our time, and even now I pray that the Matari can take this opportunity to see reason and end their path of warmongering destruction before it is too late.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1001
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:29:52 -
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Well said, your lordship. |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
395
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:33:27 -
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Do you Think that Concessions Must be made ?
Or do you Think that a White Peace would be Acceptable ? |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24818
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:34:06 -
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Try to invade their high sec. What happens? You die. You're not ending anyone.
Give it a few months and another nul or power bloc will just come and sway the tide, as it's always been like.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
269
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:37:46 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:Do you Think that Concessions Must be made ?
Or do you Think that a White Peace would be Acceptable ?
I see no reason that Amarr would accept a White Peace that included the survival of the Shakor regime. We can afford this war far more than we can afford giving that madman breathing space for another all or nothing surprise attack gamble.
Should the Shakorite regime be removed, then I personally might be in favor of a less punitive end to the war.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:49:16 -
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Sure. End slavery and we'll talk. Until then, not so much. |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
396
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:59:34 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Sure. End slavery and we'll talk. Until then, not so much.
Would You accept handing Shakor over for Trial, in Return for the accelerated End of Generational Slavery ? |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24818
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:00:26 -
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Oooooh now it gets good.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
273
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:07:23 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Sure. End slavery and we'll talk. Until then, not so much.
These sorts of demands miss the point entirely. The Republic cannot win this war. You have nothing to enforce your demands with.
We can talk in circles all day about the morality of slavery and accomplish exactly nothing. But that is not the issue here. The issue here is the simple fact that the Republic is hurt far more by this war than we are.
The road towards peace is the only road that ends in the survival of the Republic. But that road involves giving up on the idea that our culture of slave-holding somehow invalidates any treaty the Republic might sign with us.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24823
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:10:48 -
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You can't win either.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
71
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:14:10 -
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Then there is nothing to talk about. While my people are held in slavery, I will fight. If this ends tomorrow or a hundred years from now, with the end of slavery or the end of all who fight against it doesn't really matter. If you seek peace, end slavery or end us. I suspect ending slavery will be easier than ending immortals. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
719
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:16:52 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I suspect ending slavery will be easier than ending immortals.
Actually that's where you're wrong. The end of slavery, should it ever come about, won't be an easy feat. Destroying capsuleer soft clones is far easier.
-Eran
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Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24835
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:18:43 -
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Cause accessing those is simple am I right?
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
274
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:20:32 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Then there is nothing to talk about. While my people are held in slavery, I will fight. If this ends tomorrow or a hundred years from now, with the end of slavery or the end of all who fight against it doesn't really matter. If you seek peace, end slavery or end us. I suspect ending slavery will be easier than ending immortals.
How quickly you condemn the trillions of non-immortal Republic citizens whose lives are risked by the continuation of this losing war!
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24835
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:22:51 -
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How quickly you ignore an inconvenient truth. It's like that one holo where the female lead gets thrown basic facts that kinda mess up the standard fairy tale. 'You can't just marry a man you just met!'
You can't just end a war, or kill soft clones, etc, etc.
Oh well.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
72
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:23:17 -
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I don't negotiate with hostage takers and terrorists, Lok'ri. |
Erin Savonarola
Viziam
Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:23:35 -
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While the exact terms will be left up to the Empress, I can safely say that peace will be an improvement. The CEMWPA needs to be rescinded, immediately; it was a huge overstep of their authority. Just that would be a mighty step to a peaceful and prosperous cluster. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1001
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:25:22 -
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Anslo wrote:You can't win either.
Not without definitive victory conditions.
But a stalemate hurts the Republic more than it hurts us, which is Lord Admiral Lok'ri's whole point.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Then there is nothing to talk about. While my people are held in slavery, I will fight. If this ends tomorrow or a hundred years from now, with the end of slavery or the end of all who fight against it doesn't really matter. If you seek peace, end slavery or end us. I suspect ending slavery will be easier than ending immortals. How quickly you condemn the trillions of non-immortal Republic citizens whose lives are risked by the continuation of this losing war!
Based on Del'thul's history, she'd slit their throats herself.
Better dead than on your knes, right, Del'thul? |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
720
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:26:12 -
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Anslo wrote:Cause accessing those is simple am I right?
It's been done more often than slavery has been ended.
-Eran |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24848
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:27:38 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Anslo wrote:Cause accessing those is simple am I right? It's been done more often than slavery has been ended. -Eran
Ayyyy
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
72
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:43:26 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
Based on Del'thul's history, she'd slit their throats herself.
Better dead than on your knees, right Del'thul?
To die on your feet rather than live on your knees? Certainly, but that's a personal choice of mine. You still seem to have bought into the hyperbole and myth of past events rather than the truth of what happened, little kin. If you are ever interested in finding out what really happened back then, feel free to contact me. If it is easier for you to make up something that fits your view of how the world should be and how The Big Bad Enemies should behave, that is of course your choice.
Either way, it matters little. The conditions for peace are known. Work towards them or not. I have done more than enough to mark me a villain that it doesn't really matter if I am saddled with the propaganda of the past as well. |
Tyrel Toov
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
182
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:53:26 -
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**** waving, again? seriously, arn't there more pressing issues then who controls a small region of space that CONCORD and the empires don't even care about?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4340
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:13:28 -
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With respect, Lord Lok'ri, the State and the Federation were able to find a measure of peace from their own iteration of the attacks you mentioned because both sides were happy to talk peace and make concessions.
What you are talking about is a surrender. It's very unlikely to happen - especially when you do nothing to assuage their feelings about those slaves they see as kin and the price is FURTHER economic damage to those Minmatar outside the Empire. Frankly, demanding economic concessions is petty. Don't you understand that the more onerous you make the peace, the more acceptable you make the war?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24869
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:22:25 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:With respect, Lord Lok'ri, the State and the Federation were able to find a measure of peace from their own iteration of the attacks you mentioned because both sides were happy to talk peace and make concessions.
What you are talking about is a surrender. It's very unlikely to happen - especially when you do nothing to assuage their feelings about those slaves they see as kin and the price is FURTHER economic damage to those Minmatar outside the Empire. Frankly, demanding economic concessions is petty. Don't you understand that the more onerous you make the peace, the more acceptable you make the war?
Tuulinen for President.
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
684
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:46:08 -
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Tuulinen for Empress. |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24874
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:47:27 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Tuulinen for Empress.
Tuulinen for Presempress.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
165
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:50:00 -
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A few months ago wasn't the 24th crusade on the verge of being over run? You've had control for a total of what? Three days? Maybe 4? Are you dangling this "easy way out" to hide the fact you know the Tribal Liberation Front will be back once again to put you slavers back in your place? I don't recall the TLF having to gloat this much about their victories, why do you?
To sum it up, Your false bravado is showing, might want to cover up... |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24874
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:52:00 -
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SHOTS FIRED DEITRA WHY SO FIERCE
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
165
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:53:16 -
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I have my reasons.... |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
24874
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:53:54 -
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I LIKE
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