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Nano Spartan Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:32:20 - [1] - Quote I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5825	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:34:29 - [2] - Quote Do you have a tl:dr I'm busy polishing my bittervet diamonds at the moment. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7000	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:35:15 - [3] - Quote Two, too, to. Learn them. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7563	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:35:56 - [4] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Two, too, to. Learn them. Mr Epeen Your right. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Crimson Draufgange Extreme Overkill Inc. The Bastard Cartel 16	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:39:43 - [5] - Quote Their is way two much grammar correcting in this thread. Lets get back on trak. Crimson Draufgange, CEO of Extreme Overkill Inc.
Paranoid Loyd 3051	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:45:52 - [6] - Quote What's that you're saying? I can't hear you, I'm buried under a pile of loot and isk. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Blobskillz McBlub Manson Family Advent of Fate 19	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:48:01 - [7] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? no no and no
Hiasa Kite Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 60	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:48:30 - [8] - Quote Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better. People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4103	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:55:14 - [9] - Quote Hang on - you think that players are too reckless with their assets, but propose tightening up money supply via ISK sinks to fix this percieved problem? How on earth do you think that reducing ISK in the economy would reduce the number of deadspace fitted tengus being flown? Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6200	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:57:13 - [10] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? I remember this thread from October. It's almost identical. I had to check to see that it wasn't necro'd. Turns out, this is a new one. So I'll give you the same answer I gave the last one: you can never have too much isk. There is only so much in the economy at any given time, and if ships are going to cost 500mil, then it needs to be possible for someone to make 500mil. If there is a problem, it isn't the effectiveness of sinks. It's the ease with which isk can be made, in ALL secs of space, and the ease with which PVP can be avoided. Starting new in EVE is definitely hard, but it's got nothing to do with how much isk you have. Money is easy to make, too easy. Learning how to make it, how to play the game, that's the hard part. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, because it is a natural filter against many who are just too lazy for this game's true nature. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7511	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:58:33 - [11] - Quote hahahahah, the op's jelly "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18552	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:05:46 - [12] - Quote Posting in a 'Nerf everyone else cuz they're better than me for reasons' thread. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Badden Powell Future Dynamics 15	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:07:28 - [13] - Quote well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail. Thank you.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18554	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:09:10 - [14] - Quote Badden Powell wrote: well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail. Thank you. No need to be the middle man, they all know to contact me directly by now. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Tear Jar Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch 202	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:32:44 - [15] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? It isn't the isk supply. Its the materials supply. Exploration changes have significantly lowered the price of deadspace modules and WH space changes over recent years have cause a substantial decrease in the cost of T3s. Plus we have stuff like UI improvements, MTU and mobile depots that have made it easier and faster to get things done.
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 509	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:34:46 - [16] - Quote Depends. If you farm a lot and don't pvp a lot, then its pretty easy to amass a stupid amount of ISK. If all you do is pvp (and die) and don't like doing any of EVE's money-making activities, then ISK can get pretty tight pretty quick. Unless you don't mind buying ISK off of people via PLEX, then ISK becomes trivial and meaningless again.
Tear Jar Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch 202	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:35:52 - [17] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Depends. If you farm a lot and don't pvp a lot, then its pretty easy to amass a stupid amount of ISK. If all you do is pvp (and die) and don't like doing any of EVE's money-making activities, then ISK can get pretty tight pretty quick. Unless you don't mind buying ISK off of people via PLEX, then ISK becomes trivial and meaningless again. PvP can be very profitable(even if you die), so long as you do it in high sec. PvPing in low or null is almost always an isk pit though.
Badden Powell Future Dynamics 15	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:39:03 - [18] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Badden Powell wrote: well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail. Thank you. No need to be the middle man, they all know to contact me directly by now. Well played =)
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1220	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:09:15 - [19] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. Starting in EVE is not hard. if you sub for 12 months and then buy a PLEX pack you can have all the ISK (and ships) you could ever want. You can even go to the character bazaar and buy a ready trained character. What your friends are actually saying is "playing completely for free in EVE is hard as a new player" .
Crimson Draufgange Extreme Overkill Inc. The Bastard Cartel 20	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:26:10 - [20] - Quote Hiasa Kite wrote: Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better. Hmmm, must've played WoW. Crimson Draufgange, CEO of Extreme Overkill Inc.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 809	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:23:33 - [21] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? Definitely has nothing to do with availability of ISK, rather it's availability of "good stuff". Raw amount of ISK generated mostly just affects scale of numbers you see on market, but not how accessible goods are. Tear Jar wrote: ...and WH space changes over recent years have cause a substantial decrease in the cost of T3s. Well, since 1.5 years ago, T3s are among those things (others are T1 cruisers, FOTF ships and PLEX) that grew noticeably more expensive. Crimson Draufgange wrote: Hiasa Kite wrote: Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better. Hmmm, must've played WoW. Probably not. Money in WoW are mostly worthless due to lack of sinks and the fact that overwhelming majority of good stuff can only be acquired by participating in PvP and PvE activities that have nothing to do with money gathering, and cannot be traded afterwards. Maybe something changed since I've played it though.
Josef Djugashvilis 2769	Posted - 2014.12.17 08:36:16 - [22] - Quote Buy PLEX with real life money, sell PLEX for isk, buy expensive ships etc. This is not a signature.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7048	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:59:06 - [23] - Quote I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man Are you jelly of that, too? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5529	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:05:43 - [24] - Quote I never have enough ISK. Whenever I get above 1 billion it magically evaporates. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 465	Posted - 2014.12.17 11:26:38 - [25] - Quote I don't agree with the OP here. If you start EVE and find yourself demotivated because you can't fly a 3 billion ISK Rattlesnake any time soon, your problem is not ISK related. But you can always sell plex and get yourself a ship with purple stuff. Its not like were all waiting to laugh at the lossmail when it hits a website or anything...
Miko Valentine Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 13	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:06:06 - [26] - Quote 500mil ? for what ship ? a standart L4 Mission Runner Navy BS is 600-700 mil ... a T2 cruiser with shiny weaponupgrades is far more than 500mil and have you never seen these throw away 3bisk BS-¦s and Cruiserson zkillboard or reckless flown Shuttles with Plex in its cargo hold ? and what about the tiny Minmatar nullsec Probe ship worth 3mil but with freshly scanned/Hacked High grade implant BPC-¦s in its cargo wich also can be far more than 500mil but doesnt show cus bpc-¦s arenton the market .... i am neweras new but when a Vet player 7 years old has 2 maxed PI alts producing Tier4 whatever items 20mil a piece what is wrong with being space rich ?
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:14:21 - [27] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man Are you jelly of that, too? I'm your fellow man. Now love me long time.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7054	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:20:36 - [28] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man Are you jelly of that, too? I'm your fellow man. Now love me long time. Aw if it only it were true But I cant use the term sebeistor and man in the same sentence "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 290	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:33:42 - [29] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Sol Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man Are you jelly of that, too? I'm your fellow man. Now love me long time. Aw if it only it were true But I cant use the term sebeistor and man in the same sentence Aww that hurts me right in my pants. :/ Wow, it's almost too easy going offtopic with you. On topic: i never have a lot of ISK. Never had either. Never needed it.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7056	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:37:54 - [30] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Wow, it's almost too easy going offtopic with you. Considering we generally agree in topic, and fight only in front of the children to teach them about the real world, I didn't think much we said to each other was ever on topic, dearie "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 292	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:44:12 - [31] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Sol Project wrote: Wow, it's almost too easy going offtopic with you. Considering we generally agree in topic, and fight only in front of the children to teach them about the real world, I didn't think much we said to each other was ever on topic, dearie I agree. QOD. My bed is waiting for you. I even got some new outfit designed that might suit you well. cough
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7061	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:34:31 - [32] - Quote Sol Project wrote: I even got some new outfit designed that might suit you well. cough orly? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:37:13 - [33] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Sol Project wrote: I even got some new outfit designed that might suit you well. cough orly? Yarly. Now back on topic pls.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7061	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:38:51 - [34] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Sol Project wrote: I even got some new outfit designed that might suit you well. cough orly? Yarly. Now back on topic pls. Topic is done. We are done with this nonsense. OP is jelly. End. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14249	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:52:19 - [35] - Quote I never have enough money. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Paul Panala Black Research Industries 195	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:23:16 - [36] - Quote I think the main problem with Eve's economy is the constant inflation. Consider all the mission runners and ratters out there farming all day long, trillions of ISK come into the game everyday. When you buy or sell something, that ISK just changes hands, it is still in the game. When a ship is destroyed, the ISK is still in the game, only materials got destroyed. There are very few ways the ISK actually gets destroyed. The result is that the amount of ISK in the game is going up way faster than the player base.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7074	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:25:56 - [37] - Quote Paul Panala wrote: I think the main problem with Eve's economy is the constant inflation. Consider all the mission runners and ratters out there farming all day long, trillions of ISK come into the game everyday. What do you do that's so noble and isk-poor? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9135	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:08:02 - [38] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? Isk is easier to make today than at any point in EVE's history. Back when I started, and when i could take time off from walking uphill in the snow both ways to school, it was hard as hell to make isk as a pve pilot/explorer type. The scanning system was a complicated mess, their was no way to upgrade a null sec system so any anoms of belt spawns yo found were completely random, their was no wormhole space to farm, no incursions, no faction warfare (and when FW did come, it wasn't lucrative like it is now) and marauders were only introduced shortly after I started playing. NOW you can skill into a tech3 destroyed and just destroy high sec pve plexes, you can get the standings for lvl 4 missions easily and once you know how to manage standings, do nothing but make isk off of blitzing 'burner' missions with a frigate (I topped 300 mil per hour sustained doing burners for Sisters of EVE in osmon and didn't come close to crashing my standings). You can take frigate sized ships and make isk in faction warfare and now these frig/HIC only wormholes. You can rat in null with Navy Vexors and other cheap ships that can take advantage of infinitely respawning anomalies that sometimes escalate to even better complexes. On and On. If you are poor in EVE Online today, it's because you're lazy lol.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7079	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:11:58 - [39] - Quote Isk is also inherently meaningless. If you have the skills, you dont need billions If you dont, you shouldnt have billions "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Takoma Panala State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:15:03 - [40] - Quote Too much ISK... I am sorry, that sentence does not make sense.
Vyl Vit 883	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:30:05 - [41] - Quote Allow me to be the voice of reason. Uh...what was the question? Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Inglor Telemnar The Opportunists GONE MAD. 3	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:03:37 - [42] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Two, too, to. Learn them. Mr Epeen You're right. fixed
Hiasa Kite Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 63	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:15:43 - [43] - Quote Inglor Telemnar wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Two, too, to. Learn them. Mr Epeen You're right. fixed The joke. You're head. People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
Daerrol Death By Design Did he say Jump 15	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:35:08 - [44] - Quote U kan gibe me any Xtra! isk that you feel u don't need. ^_^
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 257	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:44:59 - [45] - Quote I suppose it depends on the day of the week. I seem to remember a thread not too long ago claiming we all ran cheap meta 4 fit T1 hulls.
Big Lynx Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 814	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:51:24 - [46] - Quote After a certain point, money is meaningless. It ceases to be the goal. The game is what counts.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14251	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:57:06 - [47] - Quote The head of Goon SRP hard at work Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 883	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:04:58 - [48] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The head of Goon SRP hard at work I can't help but feel sorry for him, some days.
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 294	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:08:55 - [49] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Badden Powell wrote: well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail. Thank you. No need to be the middle man, they all know to contact me directly by now. Sent... You would double it, right? Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app: >EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread >iciclesoft.com
Wacktopia Noir. Suddenly Spaceships. 734	Posted - 2014.12.17 21:06:56 - [50] - Quote Please can the title be updated to "too" before my OCD prevents me from coming to GD. :) Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 551	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:26:02 - [51] - Quote Nano Spartan wrote: I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? HAHA! Look at that space poor! Look at him and LAUGH! Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Alastair Ormand Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now. 94	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:28:53 - [52] - Quote Hiasa Kite wrote: Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better. throws isk at ship win me stuff Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
voetius Quiet Days in Clichy 323	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:46:52 - [53] - Quote Being as the OP want to buy* a PvP "toon" that has at least 15m SP and his budget is 5bill it's no wonder he is complaining about other players having too much isk. As 15mill SP is about 7 months training and the seller pays the transfer of 2 plex, that's 7 plex for 7 months training plus another 2 plex for a total of 9 plex = 7.65 bill and the OP is offerring 5bill I think he must be on some good stuff. * https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5017357#post5017357

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