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Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1240	Posted - 2014.12.18 15:28:16 - [1] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: CURSE Role Bonus: Cannot be detected by directional scanners Amarr Cruiser Bonuses: 7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damagere Recon Ships Bonuses: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer range 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount Slot layout: 5H, 6M, 5L; 2 turrets, 4 launchers Fittings: 900 PWG, 380 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1650(-187) / 1650 / 1075(+203) Capacitor (amount / capacitor per second) : 1470(+220) / 4.46/s (+.83) Mobility (max velocity / agility / align time): 205(+30) / .61(-.04) / 9.99s(-.66s) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 150 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 130km / 281 / 10 Sensor strength: 28 Radar Signature radius: 150 Is the Curse supposed to have that much in the way of raw shields? This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1240	Posted - 2014.12.18 15:32:03 - [2] - Quote RTSAvalanche wrote: CCP Rise wrote: Those goals lead us to the following major changes: Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners Well that's just complete and utter bullsh!t... As if Solo pvp wasn't hard enough, we can not even rely on our D-Scan now?? somthing that we have relied on for the past 10 years.. You are basicaly breaking around some core mechanics here. Faction Warefare has been completely broken since Incarna, now you are telling me that recons with web, neut, damp & ECM bonuses will be able to hide in plain site in FW plexes and there is no conventional way to find them. Even if combats work to find them, we would have to do that for every plex... I smelt somthing bad in the air when the mobile scan inhib came into game, didn't realise things were going to be this bad. POWER CREEP is getting excessive.. Do they not have combat probes where you live? This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1240	Posted - 2014.12.18 16:08:28 - [3] - Quote The number of people in this thread that think that the Falcon, Rapier, Arazu, and Pilgrim are becoming immune to directional scan is depressingly high. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1242	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:02:14 - [4] - Quote RTSAvalanche wrote: Ofcause not. This isn't WH space, or null bear hunting... FW is bread & butter pvp with out all the rubbish & F1 warriros. I dare say that your particular views towards PvP are not inviolate GÇö-áthe game can change. Maybe you need to start bringing a probing ship or using scouts! This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1242	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:03:55 - [5] - Quote maCH'EttE wrote: CCP Rise wrote: Hopefully no typos or weirdnesses but its always possible so just let me know if something looks funny. 15:02 - I have to step out for a meeting. Back in an hour to start responding. 15:49 - fixed typos in Huginn and Curse slot layout =/ you have totally ruined this amazing game. Now every one will be flying falcons, jam everything, at 100+km and sit pretty while other people get raped. oh not to mention that they will no longer be on the directional, you are the worst. Falcons aren't immune to directional scan. Rooks are. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:08:31 - [6] - Quote Joni Hariere wrote: Querns wrote: RTSAvalanche wrote: Ofcause not. This isn't WH space, or null bear hunting... FW is bread & butter pvp with out all the rubbish & F1 warriros. I dare say that your particular views towards PvP are not inviolate GÇö-áthe game can change. Maybe you need to start bringing a probing ship or using scouts! Thanks for following me where ever i go and scan for me, that way i can enjoy my pvp in this one character, without alts/links/scouts whatever. You might need to make friends. :shrug: This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:09:58 - [7] - Quote It's actually pretty surprising to see the number of people who think that neut range is somehow worse than neut amount. Have any of you actually flown a pilgrim against, well, anything? Pilgrims needed the range very badly to avoid getting fridged by anything with even a remote ability to kite. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:16:42 - [8] - Quote Joni Hariere wrote: SOLO PILOT , ever heard of one. No, what's that? This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:23:11 - [9] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: The word "solo" does have a certain meaning to it. In Eve: Online? Not really. Hell, people using gang bonuses on their alt still consider themselves to be "solo." This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:28:36 - [10] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: One more step to making the nestor a thing. If it had a CPU reduction for probe launchers, anyways. Really wish they had just given the Nestor the covert jump drive it so desperately needs. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:46:19 - [11] - Quote RTSAvalanche wrote: Querns wrote: RTSAvalanche wrote: Ofcause not. This isn't WH space, or null bear hunting... FW is bread & butter pvp with out all the rubbish & F1 warriros. I dare say that your particular views towards PvP are not inviolate GÇö-áthe game can change. Maybe you need to start bringing a probing ship or using scouts! Comming from an F1 warrior, no surpise.. You want this ability so badly you blindly push aside the harsh effects it will have on so many, simply saying adapt to the changes. Yet goons as a whole certainly have a big mouth when anything at all pops up that they are even iffy about.. [citation needed] Also, who is an F1 warrior, exactly? I haven't been in a fleet in years. My contributions to the swarm are decidedly non-military. You sure think you know an awful lot about an organization of which you aren't a member. I do appreciate your ingratiating position of surrender, however. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1245	Posted - 2014.12.18 17:50:33 - [12] - Quote BKuCKy wrote: Asayanami Dei wrote: Diivil wrote: Combat recons should at least show up in dscan if you are on the same grid with them. Majority of Eve use dscan tools and it would be extremely frustrating to not be able to copy a certain ship type from dscan list when you can clearly see it in your own overview. Good point. Lol no-scan recons is a death to WH carebears. Less WH carebears -> more price on T3 ships -> more $ players spend for PLEX -> PROFIT for CCP! This is a pretty far-fetched chain of thought, here. There are several alternatives, not the least of which is "flying ships other than strategic cruisers." This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1246	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:04:18 - [13] - Quote BKuCKy wrote: Querns wrote: [quote=BKuCKy][quote=Asayanami Dei][quote=Diivil]Combat recons should at least show up in dscan if you are on This is a pretty far-fetched chain of thought, here. There are several alternatives, not the least of which is "flying ships other than strategic cruisers." LOL and lose to fleets of RMT-ers? ahah yeah sure. Hello to goons CEO for rmt support ;) They have low price ;) We stomp T3 fleets with Dominixes on the regular. Strategic cruisers aren't the end-all, be-all of Eve. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1249	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:12:32 - [14] - Quote Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: Querns wrote: It's actually pretty surprising to see the number of people who think that neut range is somehow worse than neut amount. Have any of you actually flown a pilgrim against, well, anything? Pilgrims needed the range very badly to avoid getting fridged by anything with even a remote ability to kite. You are assuming that as a recon ship is has no allies in the fight... which is hilarious as Recons almost always need back up... Who cares if it gets kited? I have friends to deal with that... Back in the day, force recons were actually used as solo boats for their ability to dictate range. It was more about not getting caught than sheer destructive force. The pilgrim failed at this because it always had to engage in scram range in order to bring its bonuses to bear; something that its other force recon cousins could not do. The pilgrim, additionally, was too slow to, practically, get into neut range in the first place, and even if it did, it was difficult to keep anyone there. With neut range, it will be able to more effectively dictate range in an encounter, allowing it greater solo potential. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1249	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:15:56 - [15] - Quote BKuCKy wrote: l0rd carlos wrote: If you run DED sites, you can just check d-scan for incomming tackle. Right now you see the covert ops (recon / t3 / frigs) get decloacked on the gate. It's hard for them to suppries you. And if you are 1 - 2 pockets into the site, you have quite a good warning time to position yourself. With the recon now getting more tank, cap and unable to see on the d-scan, it will be very hard to do somthing about that. I mean I like pvp, I fly the DED exploration sites with PvP fitting, but what can I do when suddently two ships appear with no warning that can tackle and jam me from 93 km away? After they got point, the rest of the gang can come in. I really reallly like DED sites pvp, but this will make it SUPER easy to get hard countered by a larger group. It doesn't add any particularly interestuing game play apart from rather idiotic ganks. lol CCP don't care about this. They just want you to buy PLEX for real money. Your posting is equivalent to a small child banging the same key on a piano over, and over, and over, and over. We get it. You, at once, believe CCP's only motive is to force PLEX sales, as well as believe that buying PLEX is the only way to make money in a game where money is literally thrown at you from all possible angles in amounts greater than any one person can devise a way to consume. Your point is clearly made. We get it. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1249	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:20:46 - [16] - Quote Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: Querns wrote: Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: Querns wrote: It's actually pretty surprising to see the number of people who think that neut range is somehow worse than neut amount. Have any of you actually flown a pilgrim against, well, anything? Pilgrims needed the range very badly to avoid getting fridged by anything with even a remote ability to kite. You are assuming that as a recon ship is has no allies in the fight... which is hilarious as Recons almost always need back up... Who cares if it gets kited? I have friends to deal with that... Back in the day... Well we are not 'back in the day' so stop living in the past and focus on the present and the future. That's the thing GÇö-ánothing about my anecdote has changed. The issues with the pilgrim still exist, and are compensated nicely by swapping the neut amount for range. I know that everyone is comparing the pilgrim's neut amount to the legion's neut amount, but given the ominous portents by Dev posts within this thread and without, I suspect that the battleship-level tank strategic cruisers are not long for this world. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1251	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:35:49 - [17] - Quote RTSAvalanche wrote: You simply made it personal, rather adressing the issue at hand. Since you did not have a valid reply for those affected most in low-sec. Each reply you have made has simply been adapt & combats.. but you sure act like you know alot for some one that doesn't do combat in low-sec FW. You're the one who made it personal by calling me an "F1 Warrior," impugning me on account of my alliance affiliation. I make it a point to never bring up the affiliation of a poster when I'm posting, but if others stoop to it, I'm happy to respond in kind. I didn't put the rest of your post into my reply, because I wasn't interested in it. It was mostly rambling about stuff, and it wasn't the part that I wanted to talk about. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1255	Posted - 2014.12.18 18:55:00 - [18] - Quote It's also pretty amusing that people still decry ECM as overpowered, when it's been consistently shat upon over the last four years. To put it into finer perspective GÇö-áGoonswarm Federation, an organization for whom the use of cheap, T1 disruption cruisers is signature, abandoned ECM entirely in favor of sensor dampening and tracking disruption. This ought to tell you how unreliable jamming is in the current meta. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1262	Posted - 2014.12.18 20:49:46 - [19] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Querns wrote: It's also pretty amusing that people still decry ECM as overpowered, when it's been consistently shat upon over the last four years. To put it into finer perspective GÇö-áGoonswarm Federation, an organization for whom the use of cheap, T1 disruption cruisers is signature, abandoned ECM entirely in favor of sensor dampening and tracking disruption. This ought to tell you how unreliable jamming is in the current meta. That's because ECM in a small gang/solo environment is extremely over powered, but is insignificant in large scale combat. Damps are the reverse. Do you understand now? No, because damps are better in the small scale combat scenario too, because they are guaranteed to work. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1262	Posted - 2014.12.18 22:53:20 - [20] - Quote Those of you decrying directional scanning as an "effective cloak" must not do a lot of gatecamping. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1312	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:02:44 - [21] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Okay, first major update just edited into the OP. Major changes: We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship. With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure. We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid. The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus. Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments. Have a great Christmas o/ Glad to see y'all holding the line on the dscan immunity. I also think the pilgrim thing is a decent compromise. Good stuff. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

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