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Apol Regyri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.19 03:57:37 -
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In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.
Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory. |
Athryn Bellee
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
42
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Posted - 2014.12.19 03:58:55 -
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Why not just say extortion? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
6824
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:16:04 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
And? This is well established gameplay that has been going on for years. You think CODE is bad? Talk with some of the market masters from 0.0 alliances. They have so much money that they can literally crash the markets on a whim... and profit from it.
Apol Regyri wrote:Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.
No... CONCORD is not there to protect anyone. Their sole job is to make sure that open aggression comes at a cost... be it from War Declaration fees or ship loss (from suicide ganking).
Apol Regyri wrote:Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.
Counter solution; declare war on these groups yourself and "enforce the peace" you believe high-sec to be so deserving of.
Hell... a lot of gankers are already below -5.0 security status. You can shoot then on sight if you want to without having to declare war at all.
And no... you will NOT become a "Suspect" if you do this. It will merely allow the person you are shooting to legally shoot back.
Apol Regyri wrote:In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
It is only "harassment" if...
- they single you out for a period of time (at least more than a day)
- despite your best efforts to avoid it (move one belt or system over is not "best effort")
- have nothing to gain from singling you out (if you are flying ships that can be profited from, you have no case)
And high-sec mechanically belongs to no one. It is merely a zone where the rules of aggression are stricter and often come with a cost.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Zephris
Hattori Clan
8
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:33:57 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.
Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
Actually, having ANY empire declare war against any entities with low enough low enough average standing is a good idea.
Amarr empire, for instance should autodec any corp with -5 or less average standing to them.
Concord would be a special case, if you dec concord, or concord dec you, you become outlaws, and therefore:
- No maintenance fee for the alliances at war with concord
- No wardec fee against a corporation or alliance at war with concord
- ALL members are treated as outlaws and concord will not respond to them being attacked.
- Members that are not KOS in a system isn't automatically attacked by concord.
- Concord will salvage your wrecks and use them to buy donuts. |
Lucius Arcturus
Hard Knocks Inc.
211
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:34:52 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Sounds like content. Create some of your own and fight back (with spaceships I mean, not in the forums).
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Capitalization in EVE Online
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Zephris
Hattori Clan
8
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:37:56 -
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Lucius Arcturus wrote:Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area. Sounds like content. Create some of your own and fight back (with spaceships I mean, not in the forums).
New players should be given the option to take it easy. Not that I don't mind them ALL joining Anti Gank, I have this pile of T1 frigate with ECM bursts .... |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2063
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:47:57 -
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Code is as much a legitimate group as concord.
counter them yourself.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14260
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Posted - 2014.12.19 04:57:15 -
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I do wonder what these highsec bears would do if BATs ever decide to interdict high sec again.
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Zephris
Hattori Clan
8
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Posted - 2014.12.19 05:12:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:I do wonder what these highsec bears would do if BATs ever decide to interdict high sec again.
Take a break in your backyard.
Some people just like highsec better, less bull**** politics, less sheeple.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
555
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Posted - 2014.12.19 05:15:31 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Code is as much a legitimate group as concord.
counter them yourself.
or just invite them to a tournament in the system...it will be the last place in eve you will find them. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
813
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Posted - 2014.12.19 06:47:10 -
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Zephris wrote:Actually, having ANY empire declare war against any entities with low enough low enough average standing is a good idea.
Why would NPC meddling with player interaction be a good idea in any way? Empire standings are already silly as they are.
And on OP, I don't even...
So he basically asks CCP to moderate their game using NPCs as middlemen for some reason. Could as well go ahead and ask them to ban CODE. players, uhm, for reasons. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
283
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Posted - 2014.12.19 07:32:32 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.
Concord is simply there to make sure that pod pilots cause severe casualties or property damage in their conflicts. they don't give a damn about peace and order that is the faction police's job.
[quote=Apol Regyri]
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec.[quote]
if some one is harassing you or another player report them it is against the EULA (but make sure it is actually harassment first) |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
41
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Posted - 2014.12.19 08:44:59 -
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set concord timers to response time 1second , so nobody will be gankable as concord will instapop u even in 0.5 |
Disert Ohmiras
Breaking.Bad
Circle-Of-Two
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 09:39:36 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.
Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
If you don-¦t wanna them in highsec get them your by yourself. And don-¦t ask for GM/NPC Protection. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27475
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Posted - 2014.12.19 09:50:39 -
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sorry guys, but who is CODE and what do they do?
TIL the word pizzo. if that's in fact something CODE does, they're going about it all wrong and should just scam.
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
367
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Posted - 2014.12.19 10:15:11 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Code is as much a legitimate group as concord.
counter them yourself. or just invite them to a tournament in the system...it will be the last place in eve you will find them.
Only if you ban catalysts and taloses.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1932
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Posted - 2014.12.19 10:31:33 -
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baltec1 wrote:I do wonder what these highsec bears would do if BATs ever decide to interdict high sec again.
The same as last time.. ignore it because the impact was minimal, the coverage was poor and limited to very specific zones.
A very very lousy work of interdiction that didn't reach a fraction of what high sec war dec groups already do, except by the surprise of a new element that was not expected by some large part of the population (That therefore was not scouting for these)
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Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Ripoff Works
239
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:12:42 -
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Oh look, this thread again. Obvious troll is obvious.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
300
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:28:24 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
I think CONCORD only has sovereignty over a few (one?) systems - most of highsec is ruled (on paper) by the the Empires. But I am more curious, what form would this wardec take? I mean the faction police from the Empires are already in a "wardec" with low security status players as their navies follow around and attack outlaw players at the first opportunity. What more would this NPC wardec do and how would the NPCs decide which corporations to go after?
Also, harassment is against the EULA. If you think you are actually being harassed, you can file a petition (press F12) and a GM will help you out. Eve though is a competitive sandbox MMORPG, so you should expect other players to be able to influence your game play. This in itself is not considered harassment.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
75
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:34:45 -
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Zephris wrote:Lucius Arcturus wrote:Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area. Sounds like content. Create some of your own and fight back (with spaceships I mean, not in the forums). New players should be given the option to take it easy. Not that I don't mind them ALL joining Anti Gank, I have this pile of T1 frigate with ECM bursts ....
They do. They can fly something tanky and mine in peace.
People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
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Zepher Helen Hawat
ULTRAMAR SECURITIES
22
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:14:24 -
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Another TEAR post.  |
Lugh Crow-Slave
283
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:19:52 -
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Amak Boma wrote:set concord timers to response time 1second , so nobody will be gankable as concord will instapop u even in 0.5
lol yes no one would ever be ganked again.... ever because as we all know you can't pop a ship in under 1 second.
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Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
78
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:28:06 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Amak Boma wrote:set concord timers to response time 1second , so nobody will be gankable as concord will instapop u even in 0.5 lol yes no one would ever be ganked again.... ever because as we all know you can't pop a ship in under 1 second.
*sniffs Lugh*
You smell like Thrasher, with a hint of Tornado.
People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
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Kharnakh
Acheron Imperial Ascendancy
Acheron Imperial Dominion
28
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Posted - 2014.12.19 18:36:33 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:...giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
Concord kills 100% of pilots illegally firing on other capsuleers in high sec.
I'd say they 'defend their territory' well enough.
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Hiroshi Yakasuki
Yakasuki Engineering
The Revenant Order
20
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Posted - 2014.12.19 18:41:58 -
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I think this thread is full of half-baked carebear suggestions from people too lazy to watch their screen or fit their ships properly.
Oh did I give away the two best counters to this 'problem?'
Watch your screen.
Fit your ship properly. |
Flame Huany
The Strontium Asylum
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:18:32 -
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I understand the frustration that many people feel when attacked by CODE.
I have lost ships and been podded more than once.
CODE does serve a useful function in the game by encouraging miners to train up ship protective skills and encouraging mining in fleets with Squad Leaders that have training in appropriate skills or even flying well fit and equipped ORCA.
There is one thing which really annoys me however: How is it that pilots with -9 standing or lower and with a fresh criminal incident tag flashing are allowed to dock at stations?
I want the chance to hunt the jerk down in system and send him home. Chances of success would be small if the transgressor were smart and keep moving.
Telling people to fit their ships is just arrogant nonsense. It takes a couple of years in game to fit out a really stable , bullet proof mining ship. At one time we only worried about individual pilots. Then it was two pilots attacking the same ship. Last week I watched 5 Code pilots attack one ship.
There were three Code ships and their spotter working a system that I mined in this morning.
Ok that is fair enough if extortion is acceptable in high sec. There is no penalty applied to ganking miners.
Not every player in EVE is able to participate in a regular mining fleet.
Give the Occasional miner a break and make it possible to get if not certain to get even.
Don't give me kill rights!! as an answer. Those Gankers are criminal flagged already. They are often one of half a dozen similar characters spread over a couple of accounts. If things get too intense they lay of that character until it has cooled down.
The only real solution is to accept that miners are going to get ganked but make it more possible for a little emotional satisfaction on the miners part.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9146
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:35:07 -
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Apol Regyri wrote:In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.
Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
This post is an example of what happens when players (in a player driven game) bring player driven gameplay to the part of EVE that is most NPC driven lol.
High sec is where people go to hide from the fact that other human being exist. In WH, low and Null space, people have to act and think to survive the predations of other people, in high sec it's "tank long enough for concord to arrive, dec-dodge or just stay in NPC corp and it's job done.
While I don't personally find the idea of ganking to be enjoyable , CODE (and groups like Goons before them) are vital to EVE Online as they are the ones reminding the lazy and anti-social themepark types that THIS IS SPARTA A SANDBOX ::kicks Persian ambassador into pit:: .
If you don't like CODE, fight back, organize, educate new players, but for the love of space-God stop trying to meta-game them away by begging CCP to save you.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9146
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:43:41 -
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Hiroshi Yakasuki wrote:I think this thread is full of half-baked carebear suggestions from people too lazy to watch their screen or fit their ships properly.
Oh did I give away the two best counters to this 'problem?'
Watch your screen.
Fit your ship properly.
It's no different from any other kind of "mommie come save me" whining. it happens in multiple ways.
People would grr Goons all the time. On my main pvp toon I've got years worth of Goon killmails (I grr with Guns,. or did till Goons kicked my alliance out of Tribute, didn't want that region anyways). I just couldn't understand the people willing to post on forums over and over and over about how goons are ruining the game but couldn't be bothered to shoot at said goons with the imaginary guns this game has.
And don't get me started on AFK cloaking. I used to post "screw the afk-cloaker" ratting fits (like my warp stabbed FoFmissile/drone Typhoon) in those afk cloaker threads and you could damn near hear the crickets chirping. This is where I learned that the perpetual victim types don't want answers, they want coddling, they want someone else to expend the effort they themselves can't be arsed to to make a situation better.
That kind of attitude is bewildering to me. Most of the things people complain about are so easily countered it's not even funny. |
Zephris
Hattori Clan
9
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:50:10 -
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Everyone's missing the point.
Why don't NPC alliances dec corp / alliances that has low starting to them ?
It's not that hard to deal with: if you get decced by concord, just have enough high security status members and concord would drop the dec. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
305
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:56:51 -
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Zephris wrote:Everyone's missing the point.
Why don't NPC alliances dec corp / alliances that has low starting to them ?
It's not that hard to deal with: if you get decced by concord, just have enough high security status members and concord would drop the dec.
What is a "dec" in this situation? How is it different than the faction police chasing individual outlaws? Are you just proposing that if a corp has an average security status below -5, that all members of that corp be chased by the faction police?
If so, I don't see what that will do to the out-of-corp alts.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
176
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:08:22 -
[31] - Quote
you cant counter a group that spends very little time out of station as they wait for targets, and more so ccp isn't going to do nothing since GMs helped to make them
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
125
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:12:57 -
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Agondray wrote:you cant counter a group that spends very little time out of station as they wait for targets, and more so ccp isn't going to do nothing since GMs helped to make them
Sure you can. There are many ways to counter gankers, even groups of them. I think the real problem players have is the idea of having to actually be at the keyboard to do so.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
473
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:21:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: This is where I learned that the perpetual victim types don't want answers, they want coddling, they want someone else to expend the effort they themselves can't be arsed to to make a situation better.
The really sad part is this doesn't just apply to the game environment.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
829
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:23:14 -
[34] - Quote
Time for the weekley "whaaa CODE!" thread I see.
I find this one to be an excellent medium well with a good amount of salt. Could use a bit of ground ginger. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9148
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:23:19 -
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Agondray wrote:you cant counter a group that spends very little time out of station as they wait for targets, and more so ccp isn't going to do nothing since GMs helped to make them
This post is an example of the kind of self defeating behavior that makes CODE possible in the 1st place.
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Zephris
Hattori Clan
10
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:23:58 -
[36] - Quote
Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Another TEAR post.
A new player got ganked, complains, and it's a "tear post" because you guys can't wait to chase every single new player out of eve. Is this what's ganking about ? killing eve by eliminating new players because everyone start out at highsec ?
Don't surprised of CCP decide to crack down on you if you **** them off. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
831
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:27:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This post is an example of what happens when players (in a player driven game) bring player driven gameplay to the part of EVE that is most NPC driven lol.
High sec is where people go to hide from the fact that other human beings exist. In WH, low and Null space, people have to act and think to survive the predations of other people, in high sec it's "tank long enough for concord to arrive, dec-dodge or just stay in NPC corp and it's job done.
While I don't personally find the idea of ganking to be enjoyable , CODE (and groups like Goons before them) are vital to EVE Online as they are the ones reminding the lazy and anti-social themepark types that THIS IS SPARTA A SANDBOX ::kicks Persian ambassador into pit:: .
If you don't like CODE, fight back, organize, educate new players, but for the love of space-God stop trying to meta-game them away by begging CCP to save you.
I love you. We need more people like you. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9150
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:28:30 -
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Zephris wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Another TEAR post. A new player got ganked, complains, and it's a "tear post" because you guys can't wait to chase every single new player out of eve. Is this what's ganking about ? killing eve by eliminating new players because everyone start out at highsec ? Don't surprised of CCP decide to crack down on you if you **** them off.
Translation
If a 'new player' gets ganked and that makes him/her think "I don't know what happened, but Im gonna find out so that doesn't happen again, i might even find a way to gain revenge on the gankers", that marks them as "EVE material".
If the same thing happens and the new player thinks "that's unfair, i hate this game, im gonna go to the forums and get the developers to change this, else I'm out of here!", Well, I say "Good riddance"
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9150
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:30:16 -
[39] - Quote
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:This post is an example of what happens when players (in a player driven game) bring player driven gameplay to the part of EVE that is most NPC driven lol.
High sec is where people go to hide from the fact that other human beings exist. In WH, low and Null space, people have to act and think to survive the predations of other people, in high sec it's "tank long enough for concord to arrive, dec-dodge or just stay in NPC corp and it's job done.
While I don't personally find the idea of ganking to be enjoyable , CODE (and groups like Goons before them) are vital to EVE Online as they are the ones reminding the lazy and anti-social themepark types that THIS IS SPARTA A SANDBOX ::kicks Persian ambassador into pit:: .
If you don't like CODE, fight back, organize, educate new players, but for the love of space-God stop trying to meta-game them away by begging CCP to save you. I love you. We need more people like you.
No! There can only be one!
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Zephris
Hattori Clan
10
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:31:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Zephris wrote:Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Another TEAR post. A new player got ganked, complains, and it's a "tear post" because you guys can't wait to chase every single new player out of eve. Is this what's ganking about ? killing eve by eliminating new players because everyone start out at highsec ? Don't surprised of CCP decide to crack down on you if you **** them off. TranslationIf a 'new player' gets ganked and that makes him/her think "I don't know what happened, but Im gonna find out so that doesn't happen again, i might even find a way to gain revenge on the gankers", that marks them as "EVE material". If the same thing happens and the new player thinks "that's unfair, i hate this game, im gonna go to the forums and get the developers to change this, else I'm out of here!", Well, I say "Good riddance"
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.
At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
832
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:36:01 -
[41] - Quote
Zephris wrote:LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.
At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.
The starter systems, where people are probably going to be when they get into their first venture, are protected from CODE. Once you leave the starter systems you are fair game, as you should be.
EVE is a harsh place, as it is supposed to be. People who don't like it can, and should, play something else. |
Zephris
Hattori Clan
10
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:43:34 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Zephris wrote:LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.
At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind. The starter systems, where people are probably going to be when they get into their first venture, are protected from CODE. Once you leave the starter systems you are fair game, as you should be. EVE is a harsh place, as it is supposed to be. People who don't like it can, and should, play something else.
a noob doesn't care if it's a sandbox or themepark. they play whatever is fun for them. Maybe they are trying to decide between star ctizen, elite and eve online. Maybe they are giving this a try because they clicked an ad. Whatever.
But all the effort CCP goes into attracting new players are going to be wasted unless there is somewhere they can safely overcome the steep learning curve.
I am sure CCP want to exclude as many subscriber as they can. **** them off at your own risk.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9150
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:44:14 -
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Zephris wrote:
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.
This is you projecting (ie, that's what YOU would do). My 1st death was in a rifter to a Brutix (I didn't know I was in low sec). My response was to train for a Brutix.
Not everyone is like you, not everyone quits in the face of a challenge. It's no different than in real life when a high school dude gets rebuffed by some pretty girl. One type of guy skulks off thinking about how chicks are evil, the other thinks "I need to modify my approach" and learns how to approach girls better in the future. One ends up a bitter old dude in his mothers basement, the other turns into this guy.
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At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.
CCPs words on the matter.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9150
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:45:56 -
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Zephris wrote:
But all the effort CCP made to attract new players are going to be wasted unless there is somewhere they can safely overcome the steep learning curve.
If this were even close to true, how did those of use who started years ago (7 years ago for me) ever survive when the game was WAY harsher than it is now?
What you believe is demonstrably untrue. |
Zephris
Hattori Clan
10
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:46:53 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Zephris wrote:
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.
This is you projecting (ie, that's what YOU would do). My 1st death was in a rifter to a Brutix (I didn't know I was in low sec). My response was to train for a Brutix. Not everyone is like you, not everyone quits in the face of a challenge. It's no different than in real life when a high school dude gets rebuffed by some pretty girl. One type of guy skulks off thinking about how chicks are evil, the other thinks "I need to modify my approach" and learns how to approach girls better in the future. One ends up a bitter old dude in his mothers basement, the other turns into this guy. Quote:
At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.
CCPs words on the matter.
It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
No, being "highly exclusive" is fine if you are a social club, not when you are running a MMORPG.
My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9150
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:50:45 -
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Zephris wrote:
It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
And yet YOU are here, with a paid account (either with cash or plex, because you can post here).
EVE isn't and never has been for everyone, most of the people I invited didn't stay, they weren't cut out for EVE. That's not a bad thing, things that are rare are valuable (like EVE players and Gold), things that are common suck (like Dirt and games about elves and orcs)
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My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying.
You might want to go back and look at all the new trials that resulted from the "This is EVE" trailer.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
832
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:51:11 -
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Zephris wrote:a noob doesn't care if it's a sandbox or themepark. they play whatever is fun for them. Maybe they are trying to decide between star ctizen, elite and eve online. Maybe they are giving this a try because they clicked an ad. Whatever.
But all the effort CCP made to attract new players are going to be wasted unless there is somewhere they can safely overcome the steep learning curve.
I am sure CCP want to exclude as many subscriber as they can. so **** them off at your own risk.
Judging from the result of last alliance tournament, you are doing a great job, keep it up.
All the more reason for them to find out that EVE is not a theme park as soon as possible. Before they put much time and money into it.
There is such a safe place. The starter systems.
There such a thing as "bad customer fit" in the business world. You should look it up.
I am not sure what the Alliance Tournament has to do with anything as Silent Infinity has never participated in it. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
832
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:55:02 -
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Zephris wrote:It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
No, being "highly exclusive" is fine if you are a social club, not when you are running a MMORPG.
My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying.
So what? They obviously weren't the kind of people that EVE appeals to. There is no rule saying than an MMO has to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible.
EVE seems to be getting plenty of new players. I meet them all the time. Do you have a source to back up your claim that EVE is not getting new players? |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
168
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:15:09 -
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IMO there is no problem with non consensual PvP, but i don't feel highsec ganking is in a well balanced spot in terms of risk v reward... There is always a bit of hypocracy in a ganker lecturing a carebear about their aversion to risk, as the risk of a ganker taking an actual loss is low.
Oh, and if you want to "create content" why not create it in outside highsec against ships that want and are actively looking for this content and... Dare I say... Will shoot you back or quite possibility even be the aggressor |
Zephris
Hattori Clan
11
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:17:10 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Zephris wrote:It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
No, being "highly exclusive" is fine if you are a social club, not when you are running a MMORPG.
My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying. So what? They obviously weren't the kind of people that EVE appeals to. There is no rule saying than an MMO has to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible. EVE seems to be getting plenty of new players. I meet them all the time. Do you have a source to back up your claim that EVE is not getting new players?
Player count data.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Those player you met probably quit already. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
6828
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:17:32 -
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Zephris wrote:LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.
That's strange... because my reaction was "whoa... what happened?? Did he just kill me? I'm taking his name down and kill him when I am 'better!!!'"
It is the same reaction when my friends beat me at arcade fighting games. "Wait... wut? How did you do that? Rematch!!"
Zephris wrote:At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.
Thank the gods you are not in charge of CCP. I will resist EVE becoming "safer" with every fiber of my being.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Zephris
Hattori Clan
11
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:20:47 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Zephris wrote:LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial. That's strange... because my reaction was "whoa... what happened?? Did he just kill me? I'm taking his name down and kill him when I am 'better!!!'" It is the same reaction when my friends beat me at arcade fighting games. "Wait... wut? How did you do that? Rematch!!" Zephris wrote:At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind. Thank the gods you are not in charge of CCP. I will resist EVE becoming "safer" with every fiber of my being.
LOL so if that's your logic why don't you go to lowsec. It's less safe there. Or W-space where you don't even have locals.
No you don't like danger, you like danger as long as it doesn't apply to you. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
834
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:32:38 -
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That information shows more new players joining now than ever before. And they haven't quit, They are still messing around in 49gc-r. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
2179
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:45:55 -
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Zephris wrote:Everyone's missing the point.
Why don't NPC alliances dec corp / alliances that has low starting to them ?
This already happens if your standings are too low to an empire, and thank your lucky stars it's based on individual standings and not corporation standings because those are an amalgam. I used to get attacked in every Amarr and Caldari system I entered, even before I had a negative sec status.
Then, if your sec status is too low for the system you're in the faction navy will chase you around just for being a criminal. Same thing goes for the CONCORD constellation, only the faction navy is CONCORD.
A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10847
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:48:43 -
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The OP is an excellent example of why NPC corp characters should be banned from this subforum. All they are used for is to post troll suggestions like this.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
853
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:01:20 -
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The only hisec csncer I know is prostrate cancer suffered by those who lie down before code and buy their permits :D |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:06:54 -
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Quote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thread closed.
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