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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreask14
The punisher, maller, apoc, prophecy and their t2 equivalents are useless ships. Their main feature is tanking, which is sooooo inferior to ganking and any Ew that it hurts my guts.
The Prophecy is a great ship, also seen some quite interesting setups for punishers.
The maller..well, yes, it needs more grid. And the apocs 2nd bonus is crap.
The the frig sized lasers need some grid reduction. I mean, generally, how many amarr frigs you see around compared to other races frigs?
And some kind of 30k scrambler would be nice so amarr shortrange ships can actually use their range advantage.
But those are in the end only small problems, the main problems really are ECM and EAN2.
Originally by: Scordite
Heavy webber drones?
Anything dronebased does not really work because both ships have the same size there. If one ship is using them and the other not you have one specific anti-fit and 1 general fit, that is no fair ( and realistic, for that matter) comparsion.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Scordite
This argument is flawed in so many ways.
The sky is full of little bunnies.
See? I can make 1 sentence statements without any backing, too.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rant Anplan
True, but the NOS geddon is a valid close range setup though. And if he counters with NOS he won't be such a brutal ganker anymore, resulting in a tie.
2 words: cap injector.
It's pretty much standard with a blasterthron and with one as long as he got charges you won't really be able to stop him from fireing. And if you go for example for a 4 nos, 4 pulse setup your dps will go down to about 2/3s of a 7 pulse setup, so it won't have as much to tank.
Nos on the whole IMO hurts amarr ships more than it helps. Other races can use it just as well and amarr ships suffer the most from it's effects.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
OK you say cap injecter makes Nos useless,..
No, I do not? Nosses will quite obviously make tanking quite difficult and otherwise do hell with the energy balance. But with an injector you can keep your guns working halfway regulary.
You can counter it halfway with an injector, but saying that it makes it "useless" is rediculous.
Now, an "Ion or Electron blasterthron, now he will need to be within 10 ish K to do any decent damage"..?
With Null an ionthron will be at it's optimal at 10k and will still hit for 50% of it's max dps at 20k. Of cource thats a good amount less dps than normally, but is still loads more than 4 pulse lasers (which cannot use conflag that well at this range btw), especially with EAN2 tanks. And once the mega is dry the nosses won't help the arma much for tanking.
Also, balancing the distance between 15-20 km with 2 BSs with MWDs is relatively tricky. Unless the mega pilot is braindead and keeps on "approach target". In order to let the geddon really use it's med range bonus it would need a 30k scrambler.
As last thing, note that saying "ship a is weaker than ship b here" is not the same as saying "OMG boost ship a !!1!1"
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Scordite
...There's a heck of a lot of difference between knowing which ship you're going up against, and knowing what setup they're using.
True.
But the thing is, would a blasterthron pilot bring normal combat drones knowing it will face an arma? It can tank better than it due to the basic armor resists and will do more dps when it gets in range, so 5 heavy combats are simply not needed there.
So it will bring EW drones. 5 webbing drones will cancel the arma ones. 5 ECM drones will most likely jam the arma, since it does not really has room for (medslot) ECCM with MWD, injector and disruptor. 5 tracking disruptor drones will bring the armas range to that of the mega (and as bonus make it totally unable to even remotly hope to be able to hit the drones with it's weapons).
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