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Kalek Astroth
Amarr
The Electrocuted
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Posted - 2006.09.09 11:49:00 -
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Would like to know if a geddon may win in this 1 vs 1 fight at short range
I tried to tank a blaster mega but its impossible , and if i go for a full damage setup (7 pulseII 3 HSII conflagration ) my dps is not enought to win that fight in time (gank = almost no tank)
any clue?
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.09 11:51:00 -
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Hmm, ecm drones maybe.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.09 11:53:00 -
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Trying to beat a mega at his own game is not recommended. :)
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Harris
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Posted - 2006.09.09 11:58:00 -
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Stay out of his range or use ECM. I know he can run if you have distance but he also can't hit you. He's designed to get up close and personal, take that away and he's ineffectual.
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vyperpit
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: vyperpit on 09/09/2006 12:04:24
you will not iwn if fighting a similar skilled pilot!
1 b-thron vs 1 geddoe : b-thron wins
2 B-thron vs 2 geddon : b-throon again
3 B-thron vs 3 geddon : close
4 B-thron vs 4 geddon : geddeons win
5+ B-thron vs 5+ geddon : geddons win
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Andreask14 on 09/09/2006 12:03:04
A geddon has 0 chance against a blaster BS.
Your only chance is to stay out of his range, which means you need a tackler, then again this tackler could just be in a BS himself and make sure the mega goes down.
Amarrian ships are sooo horribly ill-concieved.
edit: i am just glad that t2 ammo is the same for all races, so they could not possibly **** up these weapons for us amarrians also.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Trying to beat a mega at his own game is not recommended. :)
"my pulsegeddon was smacked in the face at 2km range by a blasterthron. NURF THUM PLZKTHKX!"
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Amarrian ships are sooo horribly ill-concieved.
actually, considering RP history of amarr, they suit fine in a fleet role.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Mjala
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:03:00 -
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in my opinion are amarr ships, small gang/fleet ships.
i realy dont know why everyone want his race ships to be uber at everything.
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr
Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 09/09/2006 12:08:16
7x Mega pulse or Dual due to cap usage
1x scram 2x webs
1x small rep (possible med rep can remember if it fits) 3x HS TII 3x 1600mm Rolled tungsten
Conflag 4tw
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:08:00 -
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With players of equal skill in 1v1 and no EW... no. He dictates range so at best you'd get a draw if the fight didn't go his way.
If both pilots are specifically fitting against each other, there'd also be the slight problem of an EM resist that pretty much neutralises any damage you're putting out at all. Of course you'd heavily tank kin/therm as well but you're not starting from the same resists, so you're going to have a harder time.
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:12:00 -
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I dont care about the RP background.
As you can see in this thread, you will need 2x webber, which means TWO OF YOUR THREE medslots, to even stand a chance against a mega, that will easily ECM you.
Conclusion: A geddon has no chance in this scenario.
The fact of the matter is that amarrian ships are out-gunned at close range by blasters, out-ranged by hybrids and missiles, and out-droned by all drone-ships.
They are also out-ecmed, out-tanked and out-sped.
There is NOTHING that lets amarr come out on-top.
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Buraken v2
Amarr
Amarr Defence Initiative
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:16:00 -
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dual heavy pulse t2 with conflag and dual reps, can take down alot of blasterthrons, except them with t2 neutron ganks and 1600plates 
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Nifel
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
I dont care about the RP background.
As you can see in this thread, you will need 2x webber, which means TWO OF YOUR THREE medslots, to even stand a chance against a mega, that will easily ECM you.
Conclusion: A geddon has no chance in this scenario.
The fact of the matter is that amarrian ships are out-gunned at close range by blasters, out-ranged by hybrids and missiles, and out-droned by all drone-ships.
They are also out-ecmed, out-tanked and out-sped.
There is NOTHING that lets amarr come out on-top.
Apart from your obnoxious drivel I'm curious as to how you conceive the arma to be more suspectible to ECM considering both ships can field the same amounts of heavy ecm drones. The medslots doesn't factor in at all when it comes to close range setups on these ships.
And I must say I'm extremely shocked to see a pulsegeddon (close range) being outranged by hybrids (blasters whose even more closerange than pulse lasers and railguns which are long range guns), missiles that outrange just about anything but has other problems and aren't even the same weapon system and not to say the least it's outdone by droneships. I mean... really... what a great injustice it is to have a droneship, a ship specifically designed to handle drones, outdo a non-droneship. I can't understand how you can stand up to this... really!
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Andreask14 on 09/09/2006 12:23:44
It sure if funny to watch characters of other races deny the fact that amarrian ships and weapons are currently the most underpowerd in EvE. Really!
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Nifel
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Edited by: Andreask14 on 09/09/2006 12:23:44
It sure if funny to watch characters of other races deny the fact that amarrian ships and weapons are currently the most underpowerd in EvE. Really!
Yes... especially when they did nothing of the sort and have characters fully maxed on Amarr.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Edited by: Andreask14 on 09/09/2006 12:23:44
It sure if funny to watch characters of other races deny the fact that amarrian ships and weapons are currently the most underpowerd in EvE. Really!
/me repeats himself for the nth time:
amarr are not the problem. the problem is ECM and omni-tanks, as I have said like 100000 times before.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:39:00 -
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Amarr is the problem.
The punisher, maller, apoc, prophecy and their t2 equivalents are useless ships. Their main feature is tanking, which is sooooo inferior to ganking and any Ew that it hurts my guts.
The amarrian damage boats are OK, but suffer from ECM, EAN and the fact that medium range is neither webber range nor gate-camp range but is the range they fare best with t1 ammo.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Amarr is the problem.
The punisher, maller, apoc, prophecy and their t2 equivalents are useless ships. Their main feature is tanking, which is sooooo inferior to ganking and any Ew that it hurts my guts.
The amarrian damage boats are OK, but suffer from ECM, EAN and the fact that medium range is neither webber range nor gate-camp range but is the range they fare best with t1 ammo.
still things were so much better before the age of the omni-tank. Heck amarrian ships were perfect those times.
but what changed then? oh yeah, the omni-tank.
Amarr ships are just like amarrian philosophy (sp?): guant hulks of metal with lasers shooting. Turred lovin' ho's that rely on their tank and guns.
however I must admit that MAYBE giving a bit more HP to amarr would be a positive change.
Boosting their guns is opening an even more giant can of worms than balancing the omni-tanks imho.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Scordite
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
As you can see in this thread, you will need 2x webber, which means TWO OF YOUR THREE medslots, to even stand a chance against a mega
Come on, think outside the box a little. Your short range weapons outrange his, if you dictate range, you win. You don't have the mids for dual web, so the solution is..
Heavy webber drones?
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KillerLU
VakAtioth
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Scordite
Heavy webber drones?
I just wanted to ask the same
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:53:00 -
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He'll pop them in seconds. Webbber drones have naff all HP.
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:53:00 -
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You guys totally forget about the broken state of this game.
The ship whose ECM drones jam the oponent first wins. No matter if geddon or mega.
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Flaming sambuka
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
He'll pop them in seconds. Webbber drones have naff all HP.
By the time hes even finished locking the drones the geddon is gonna be munching away at his armour, then hes gota pop the drones, bye bye armour and then hes gota mwd to geddon with low cap and try to take him out too. webber drones 4tw!
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka
By the time hes even finished locking the drones the geddon is gonna be munching away at his armour, then hes gota pop the drones, bye bye armour and then hes gota mwd to geddon with low cap and try to take him out too. webber drones 4tw!
And his Ogres will be eating your Geddon because you've wasted an important chunk of your damage output. 
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
The punisher, maller, apoc, prophecy and their t2 equivalents are useless ships. Their main feature is tanking, which is sooooo inferior to ganking and any Ew that it hurts my guts.
The Prophecy is a great ship, also seen some quite interesting setups for punishers.
The maller..well, yes, it needs more grid. And the apocs 2nd bonus is crap.
The the frig sized lasers need some grid reduction. I mean, generally, how many amarr frigs you see around compared to other races frigs?
And some kind of 30k scrambler would be nice so amarr shortrange ships can actually use their range advantage.
But those are in the end only small problems, the main problems really are ECM and EAN2.
Originally by: Scordite
Heavy webber drones?
Anything dronebased does not really work because both ships have the same size there. If one ship is using them and the other not you have one specific anti-fit and 1 general fit, that is no fair ( and realistic, for that matter) comparsion.
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Frools
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: vyperpit
Edited by: vyperpit on 09/09/2006 12:04:24
you will not iwn if fighting a similar skilled pilot!
1 b-thron vs 1 geddoe : b-thron wins
2 B-thron vs 2 geddon : b-throon again
3 B-thron vs 3 geddon : close
4 B-thron vs 4 geddon : geddeons win
5+ B-thron vs 5+ geddon : geddons win
wrong
been screwing around on sisi with a geddon recently and even tho my char is about 2m sp behind (lacks t2 large lasers and armour comp skills are only at 2) i've come seriously close to killing blasterthrons 1v1
only the hax gallente structure saved them
and thats just beserkers not anything clever like web or ecm drones as i cant use them yet 
setup is similar to Agent2 Holtze, fit megapulse, couple of heatsinks then just create a huge armour buffer with decent resists
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr
Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Frools
Originally by: vyperpit
Edited by: vyperpit on 09/09/2006 12:04:24
you will not iwn if fighting a similar skilled pilot!
1 b-thron vs 1 geddoe : b-thron wins
2 B-thron vs 2 geddon : b-throon again
3 B-thron vs 3 geddon : close
4 B-thron vs 4 geddon : geddeons win
5+ B-thron vs 5+ geddon : geddons win
wrong
been screwing around on sisi with a geddon recently and even tho my char is about 2m sp behind (lacks t2 large lasers and armour comp skills are only at 2) i've come seriously close to killing blasterthrons 1v1
only the hax gallente structure saved them
and thats just beserkers not anything clever like web or ecm drones as i cant use them yet
setup is similar to Agent2 Holtze, fit megapulse, couple of heatsinks then just create a huge armour buffer with decent resists
I usually go with Mega pulse aswell, but due to pirate implants i can't have a CPU implant in, and as far as i remember it lacks CPU to fit the second web ? i tend to have a sensor booster fittet instead.
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Frools
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Frools on 09/09/2006 13:32:39
well tbh the setup i've been using wasnt supposed to be solo so the mids are different
90% web, named eccm, heavy cap injector
screw nos/ecm domi's
edit: with -3% cpu implant you can get:
7 megapulse II
2x 90% web
1x j5 20k scram
2x 1600mm RT
1x med accomo
2x eanmII
1x internal force field array
2x hsII
0.6 cpu free
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:37:00 -
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Your dual heavy pulse laser t2 hits EANMt2 tanked Megathron for 18.6 dmg
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