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Saanguinee
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:01:24 -
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Hello peoples, I am still relativly new to EVeonline but I have a suggestion that I have thought through and also inquired about with older players. Right now my ship of choice is a covops frigate, the Cheetah to be exact. One thing that bothers me is that this ships oiginal purpose seems to be exsploration and none combat scout. It fit the exsploration purpose perfectly but as a scout i feel it has a major almost crippling flaw. As we all know when you go through a gate youexit with "gate cloak" and must exit gate cloak an re-enter covops cloak to warp away which reveals youre position so interdictors can bubble you and possibly decloak and with the new cloaking effect "which I love by the way" you can also be seen longer as you recloak and try to escape the bubble. Having to recloak also allows people fit to insta lock you a chance to tackle you. both these factors severly limit covops firgates use as a scout and the job of scouting is often filled by interseptor who are immune to interdiction and usualy are fittied with warp stabs which I dont think scouting was the interseptors designed purpose.
What I suggest to fix this is to allow Covops Fit ships to Exit Gates/Wormholes with the covops cloak enguaged or atleast be allowed to activate the covops cloak with the gate cloak active. I still think that cloaked ship should have the 2km decloak and have to enter gates uncloaked as to let people watching one side of the gate warn the campers on the otherside. I even think conidering limiting this feature to exsporation frigates as to not give stealth bombers another advantage but i persinaly dont think that is nessacary.
I belive doing this would give all fleets and wormhole dwellers a great asset to use and further improve the depth of the eve universe and make the covops ships much more usefull as scouts and give a true meaning to the name of the ship class "covert operations". I hope to get possitive feedback and am looking foward to seeing youre responce and the responce of the community.
P.S. I know I cant spell or grammer correctly I did my best im dxslexic |
Quattras Peione
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:08:55 -
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There are two purposes behind the gate cloak, both of which would be invalidated here. The first is to cover your ship just popping into space with session change timers. The second is precisely so that CovOps and similar ships CAN be killed. There is no immunity from the potential to be destroyed for anyone. This is as it should be, and this coming from a stealth bomber pilot. If you do everything properly, you are exposed for mere fractions of a second. Just keep practicing. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3067
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:09:11 -
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...No, covops ships should NOT be completely and totally impossible to stop.
You just have to learn how to not get caught by dictors. |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust
The Bastion
470
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:22:41 -
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Saanguinee wrote: As we all know when you go through a gate youexit with "gate cloak" and must exit gate cloak an re-enter covops cloak to warp away which reveals youre position so interdictors can bubble you and possibly decloak and with the new cloaking effect "which I love by the way" you can also be seen longer as you recloak and try to escape the bubble.
Common misconception. The cloak animation that plays on your client has no influence on whether or not the server allows others to see you.
Saanguinee wrote:Having to recloak also allows people fit to insta lock you a chance to tackle you.
That is the point. But it's only a chance. If you're a good cov-ops pilot, it's a low chance.
Saanguinee wrote:both these factors severly limit covops firgates use as a scout and the job of scouting is often filled by interseptor who are immune to interdiction and usualy are fittied with warp stabs which I dont think scouting was the interseptors designed purpose.
Who says that's the purpose of the cov-ops?
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Saanguinee
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:37:32 -
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thank you all for youre quick reponces. i do understand a new purpose for the gate cloak but i still stand by my post and look forward to further comments |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion
The Bastion
718
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Posted - 2014.12.20 11:06:57 -
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Fit an MWD, choose the shortest path out of the bubble towards something warpable, break gate cloak, activate MWD and covops cloak at the same time. You're out of the bubble within the MWD cycle and then to free just to warp away.
If the camp is excellent, you might get caught. If they're below that, you usually get away. If you don't like bubbles, stay out of nullsec or adapt. |
Saanguinee
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.20 11:43:09 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Fit an MWD, choose the shortest path out of the bubble towards something warpable, break gate cloak, activate MWD and covops cloak at the same time. You're out of the bubble within the MWD cycle and then to free just to warp away.
If the camp is excellent, you might get caught. If they're below that, you usually get away. If you don't like bubbles, stay out of nullsec or adapt.
I'm sorry if i did not make this clear in my post but this is more of a suggestion and i want feedback on my idea. what everyone is saying is very informative even ur suggestion of how to escape i will try this strategy and see how it work for me so ty for the info.
I by no means want a feature to overpower any ship even the ones I fly. i love nullsec and i live in nullsec. i do think bubbles are annoying and I can escape them most of the time but i do think bubbles are a great feature
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion
The Bastion
720
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Posted - 2014.12.20 12:40:24 -
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Saanguinee wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Fit an MWD, choose the shortest path out of the bubble towards something warpable, break gate cloak, activate MWD and covops cloak at the same time. You're out of the bubble within the MWD cycle and then to free just to warp away.
If the camp is excellent, you might get caught. If they're below that, you usually get away. If you don't like bubbles, stay out of nullsec or adapt. I'm sorry if i did not make this clear in my post but this is more of a suggestion and i want feedback on my idea. what everyone is saying is very informative even ur suggestion of how to escape i will try this strategy and see how it work for me so ty for the info. I by no means want a feature to overpower any ship even the ones I fly. i love nullsec and i live in nullsec. i do think bubbles are annoying and I can escape them most of the time but i do think bubbles are a great feature
Feedback has been given and reasoning has been given why this suggestion would be overpowered. Generally if something is broken out-of-the-box in F&I, it'll get told so and trolled into oblivion, which seems to be the case here.
Not all feedback is valuable and accepting that an idea isn't going to go forward because of either being overpowered or being stupid is as valuable as continuing to throw new ideas. |
Sigras
Conglomo
991
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Posted - 2014.12.20 13:09:14 -
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The function of gate cloaking is by design... It is very important that alliances be able to defend their space with a gate camp if they choose to... Your suggestion would make that literally impossible. |
Shivanthar
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Posted - 2014.12.20 13:50:21 -
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Hmm. A post full of common misconseptions here. But I know somewhere where you can learn all. But that has a cost.
- Gather like 20 million isk first.
- Join chat channel "Agony Public" and read channel's message of the day
-Type "Hi, I'm new, when is the next basic pvp course"
- Follow instuctions.
After taking two-day basic course, I can assure that "you" after the course will have no relevance from the perspective of knowledge with "you" before the course (which is now).
Good day.
_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
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Saanguinee
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:22:25 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Saanguinee wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Fit an MWD, choose the shortest path out of the bubble towards something warpable, break gate cloak, activate MWD and covops cloak at the same time. You're out of the bubble within the MWD cycle and then to free just to warp away.
If the camp is excellent, you might get caught. If they're below that, you usually get away. If you don't like bubbles, stay out of nullsec or adapt. I'm sorry if i did not make this clear in my post but this is more of a suggestion and i want feedback on my idea. what everyone is saying is very informative even ur suggestion of how to escape i will try this strategy and see how it work for me so ty for the info. I by no means want a feature to overpower any ship even the ones I fly. i love nullsec and i live in nullsec. i do think bubbles are annoying and I can escape them most of the time but i do think bubbles are a great feature Feedback has been given and reasoning has been given why this suggestion would be overpowered. Generally if something is broken out-of-the-box in F&I, it'll get told so and trolled into oblivion, which seems to be the case here. Not all feedback is valuable and accepting that an idea isn't going to go forward because of either being overpowered or being stupid is as valuable as continuing to throw new ideas.
I agree I was wrong in my idea. I should have asked a more wide variety of people. There will always be trolls in anything you do especially if you post misconceptions on a forum. I have no regrets and have learned from this post. Fly safe
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
163
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Posted - 2014.12.20 16:43:22 -
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Absolutely not. CovOp frigates are already hard enough to catch... and bubbles are really not a problem. I have yet to be killed because of someone bubbled a gate, simply by opening tactical overview and slowboating towards the furthest point from the enemy. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
880
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:13:23 -
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Don't see a problem with it really myself - in many cases you show in local anyhow (wormholes aside) so they can figure out who jumped in.
If someone has setup a really good camp then there is a chance you will be caught but a good chance you won't which is fair imo and poor to average camps are highly unlikely to catch you unless things go badly wrong.
Pretty much the first thing I do with all my characters is max out the skills that effect align times. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Forged of Fire
731
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:19:01 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Fit an MWD, choose the shortest path out of the bubble towards something warpable, break gate cloak, activate MWD and covops cloak at the same time. You're out of the bubble within the MWD cycle and then to free just to warp away.
If the camp is excellent, you might get caught. If they're below that, you usually get away. If you don't like bubbles, stay out of nullsec or adapt.
Listen to Adrie. That is how it works.
Your idea is totally contrary to the spirit and nature of Eve. You never get that kind of complete safety. Yes, if you jump into the wrong gate camp, and they are skilled, you might die. But if you can execute a MWD+cloak maneuver, the odds of that are just about zero.
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.20 20:58:09 -
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Good Morning,
OP has requested a lock of the thread as they are now more familiar with the mechanics and reasons behind gate cloaks and its interactions.
Keep up the good work guys 
ISD Atomic Dove
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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