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zombu2 New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:33:00 - [151] well we have a problem anyway now since ASCN deployed their first Titan Sig removed, please edit out the profanity - Cortes
Jallen Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:46:00 - [152] Originally by: zombu2 whoops not xinus my typo well i ll find out who we tried to talk to when i come back online and yes it was defenetly a rise that killed our guy Could you do me a favor and have the killmail forwarded to Vache? Or myself (I'm not a diplomat btw), so that I can be sure it gets posted? I just checked our boards and I didn't see any New Age Solution kills on there. I'm not saying that I don't doubt your story, I just like having the information where it's supposed to be, and it is entirely possible that our pilots didn't post it for whatever reason. Thanks.
Mikron Alexarr New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:45:00 - [153] Originally by: Nyack Edited by: Nyack on 26/09/2006 14:28:38 NAS were not set -10 by RISE, they were however not allowed to dock. which is truly just a natural action any alliance would take under attack. if you truly wanted to stay neutral u could just have waited abit longer until the dust had settled and your docking rights would have been returned to you.. u taking YW side in the conflict proves that removing your docking rights were infact the correct action. removing docking rights for corps outside alliance during war time is obvious action for any alliance.. so plz stop claiming we treated you badly.. No, we weren't treated badly. We can put up with revoked docking rights even if it really does throw us into a financial chrisis, because we have contracts, obligations, and shareholders to think about. KnifeyMcShanker received an Eve-mail about us being set to -10 for the attack of an ally of RISE in a lowsec region around Mara that is notorious for PVP. There were no killmails sent. There were no names mentioned. We were simply accused, tried, and denied. About that same time, we were accused by -Y- of supplying RISE with minerals. I'm not going to lie. We did all of our refining at G8A refinery. Of which, RISE gets a percentage. This was not done in malice of anykind. We were simply there trying to make progress. Had -Y- taken the refinery, we would be giving them our percentage. This was not biased. Concerning the note about a POS refinery... it was against the rules setup with our corporation being in CR in the first place. All refining was to be done at G8A. Also, -Y- provided no names, no records, and no proof of any kind. Our relationship with the corps of -Y- does indeed go back to the days of the G alliance. They origionally gave us the privilage and honor of having a palce in 0.0 to flourish in finance and experience. When both accused us of aiding the other side, we simply had no choice but to take a side, because our financial destruction was to be sure if we had no allies. Our choice of -Y- is based on the origional kindness shown to us so long ago. We would have liked to stay blue with both sides. I still would. This is their conflict. From the looks of things, that is all gone now. The only thing we can do to survive is to show our loyalty to the side that we owe more. We didn't want this whole mess, despite the *UNSOLICITED* responces of anyone but a director or anyone else that we've given express permission to speak about this issue. ; it is not something that we wanted to be a part of. In response to the backstabbing. This is not an issue of backstabbing, revenge, or any other evil or immoral intention. This is all we can do to survive at this point. Our CEO has been MIA for weeks now. For the love of god, we don't even have more than 10 people ONLINE at once, let alone any signifcant number of pilots experienced enough to be in CR. If you want to blame anyone for our current position, please, look no further than the people that have FORCED us into this situation. I am not a combat character myself. Industrial at best. I have the worst Kill-to-Death ratio on our kill board with zero kills and no points (involved in a kill) to speak of. (but many, many deaths and many, MANY, badger and crane losses) I hopefully won't see anyone on the battlefield, but as always, I wish all sides Good Luck, Good Hunting, and a quick resolution to this horrid mess, so I can get back to mining, wether it be here or in empire. "Did you just smacktalk my grandma?"
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:06:00 - [154] Well spoken post by Mikron. I'm currently on just about constantly when not at work, and I've been in the Cloud Ring Allies chat for a long time. I've spoken extensively with a contact from both sides (nameless unless they want to be named). While discussions were for the most part civil, a number of things could be construed as... threatening. I won't lie, I saw this coming a mile away. Hell, the corp thought I was going to be the one to stir up **** and get us all killed (and, 9 times out of 10, I am ). I'm not even sure why CHON kicked us out of the refinery with no warning, gave us rights back, and then booted us AGAIN. But I know that was one of the last straws for an industrial corp trying to hang on to its home. The warning that CHON had us to -10 was only icing on the cake. Personally, I'm glad we chose this side in the war. I'm looking forward to working with YouWhat, as I enjoyed working with RISE. It gives this poor, combat-starved duelist a chance to boost his CONCORD mailbox ;) Kanpai, good sirs. (Oh, and by the by, the smacking my corpmate relayed to me following the nuking of that hauler last night was definetly unprofessional, RISE.) ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:13:00 - [155] Originally by: Mikron Alexarr KnifeyMcShanker received an Eve-mail about us being set to -10 for the attack of an ally of RISE in a lowsec region around Mara that is notorious for PVP. There were no killmails sent. There were no names mentioned. We were simply accused, tried, and denied. Did you even verify that the sender of that mail was in RISE? Your members seem to get a little confused sometimes. Did you bother to contact any diplomats of RISE to deal with this, who were your friends at the time according to you? You didn't even try to rectify the situation, instead you attacked a RISE hauler before you even posted here. That's not a way to treat a friendly alliance, it's simply backstabbing and it reeks of opportunism. not speaking for my alliance.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:30:00 - [156] Originally by: dan drorgar Originally by: zombu2 well if we re not at -10 before how come somebody of our corp got pod killed by a rise and we are being ignored since about a week + set on convo ban lists i personally wrote a mail to xinus and got no response (i saw em online )i even tried to contact other rise members some of em where really nice some of em put me on banlist explain that Better check if you got podded by YW and meant to set them to -10 instead. Not that it matters now. Contact our diplomats when you regret this decision (RISE's diplomats btw.). Ahem... excuse zombu, he's new to CR. One of us did get killed by a YW, on accident, way back when. We were also trying to negotiate docking rights for XZH station to retrieve goods we had stored there. I believe that is what he was referring to. As for RISE diplomats, I don't know. I think that was Knifey trying to chat with them, maybe coolie... Sorry for the confusion. ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
KnifeyMcShanker New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:51:00 - [157] Originally by: dan drorgar Originally by: Mikron Alexarr KnifeyMcShanker received an Eve-mail about us being set to -10 for the attack of an ally of RISE in a lowsec region around Mara that is notorious for PVP. There were no killmails sent. There were no names mentioned. We were simply accused, tried, and denied. Did you even verify that the sender of that mail was in RISE? Your members seem to get a little confused sometimes. Did you bother to contact any diplomats of RISE to deal with this, who were your friends at the time according to you? You didn't even try to rectify the situation, instead you attacked a RISE hauler before you even posted here. That's not a way to treat a friendly alliance, it's simply backstabbing and it reeks of opportunism. The mail was sent by Shivaja, CEO of CHON. I can send a copy with permission from him.
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:43:00 - [158] I can confirm that until very recently (yesterday I think), we had NAS to +10. They were allowed to mine, npc, and we took several of their members with us on complex runs like we took our own members, and gave them equal share of the profits as we did our own members. I'm aware that that they had a relationship with YouWhat dating back from before RISE existence. But they betrayed RISE's goodwill. I believe it's because they wanted to be able to dock in the station which was taken from us, since YouWhat denied them access when they took it. And they were impatient and had to do it right away at any expense. If only you had waited two more days. But what's done is done. See you on the battlefield. Dhan
KnifeyMcShanker New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:21:00 - [159] Originally by: Dhan I can confirm that until very recently (yesterday I think), we had NAS to +10. They were allowed to mine, npc, and we took several of their members with us on complex runs like we took our own members, and gave them equal share of the profits as we did our own members. I'm aware that that they had a relationship with YouWhat dating back from before RISE existence. But they betrayed RISE's goodwill. I believe it's because they wanted to be able to dock in the station which was taken from us, since YouWhat denied them access when they took it. And they were impatient and had to do it right away at any expense. If only you had waited two more days. But what's done is done. See you on the battlefield. Dhan First off, thank you for being civil about this, it's appreciated greatly. Second, I am aware that there was a misunderstanding, but the CHON CEO told me personally that we were -10, and immediate action had to be taken (at that time, we were also - to -Y-.) We couldn't be red to everyone, and we were treated badly by CHON prior to the decision, so we chose -Y-. And as you said, what's done is done, I suggest that both parties stop talking about it.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:32:00 - [160] I would also like to add one quick note. Please stop convoing me. I'm not a diplomat. Direct any talks of why we did this to Knifey or Mikron. I'm outta here. corpchange ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 15:25:00 - [161] Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I thought you Toxin guys didn't like POS warfare? Now you've gotten sucked back into it. Do you see TOXIN POS's deployed? No Do you see TOXIN Carrier's? No Do you see TOXIN Dread's? No So I'll quote myself from page 4 Originally by: Selpy Simple answer.. pew pew..... zatt zatt.... boom boom.... "you got mail" \o/ Would you care to rephrase this now, since you: - fielded 6 Dreads and 2 Carriers to put an undefended medium (member-owned) moon-mining POS in F7C into reinforced mode - anchored a small Amarr POS in F7C Not fighting for territory, yeah right. ;-) not speaking for my alliance.
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 15:52:00 - [162] Whisk, Fetch me my violin. ------------------
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 16:25:00 - [163] Originally by: EnglishBob Whisk, Fetch me my violin. You're so sweet, but I don't really care much about a cheap moon-mining POS that we emptied in time anyway. I'm pointing out that you're contradicting yourselves. It is undisputable now that you are fighting together with -Y- for our territory and that you can forget about your reputation as a PVP corp that doesn't like alliances, territorial wars and POS warfare. You also used to smack less, but I guess that comes with lower standards. not speaking for my alliance.
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 16:29:00 - [164] Originally by: dan drorgar Originally by: EnglishBob Whisk, Fetch me my violin. You're so sweet, but I don't really care much about a cheap moon-mining POS that we emptied in time anyway. I'm pointing out that you're contradicting yourselves. It is undisputable now that you are fighting together with -Y- for our territory and that you can forget about your reputation as a PVP corp that doesn't like alliances, territorial wars and POS warfare. You also used to smack less, but I guess that comes with lower standards. Man, you need to cut back on the haterade and just have some fun. --------------
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 16:33:00 - [165] Originally by: Caldess Man, you need to cut back on the haterade and just have some fun. I am having great fun with you here on EVE-O, thank you ;-) not speaking for my alliance.
Ilmonstre Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 17:19:00 - [166] so if we shoot down a POS where RISE people hide in F7C wich is a entrence point so it would be usefull if a hostile POS would be shot down is fighting a POSwar and not killing a reinforced ss so you will either have to keep switching safespots when shivaja is in there with his carrier or just let him get away with it becouse he is protected by a POS. so i dont really see your arguments being valid
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 17:23:00 - [167] Originally by: dan drorgar Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I thought you Toxin guys didn't like POS warfare? Now you've gotten sucked back into it. Do you see TOXIN POS's deployed? No Do you see TOXIN Carrier's? No Do you see TOXIN Dread's? No So I'll quote myself from page 4 Originally by: Selpy Simple answer.. pew pew..... zatt zatt.... boom boom.... "you got mail" \o/ Would you care to rephrase this now, since you: - fielded 6 Dreads and 2 Carriers to put an undefended medium (member-owned) moon-mining POS in F7C into reinforced mode - anchored a small Amarr POS in F7C Not fighting for territory, yeah right. ;-) Despite the overwhelming urge to smack you, in the face, with a e-peen hammer, our cap ships were collecting dust and we wanted to clean them, but we couldn't find a decent maid to hire, and english bob refused to do his job, so we figured your pos guns could help shake the dust off. That way we get to shoot things and clean off the dust and never have to lift a single dust buster. The small pos was put up by me, as a cyno/carrier spot, just in case Rise wanted to bring it. But it seems they have more important things to do, like making forum posts about it. PS. We can't claim space, you need to be in an alliance I think, but in any case, I, Randay, claim f7c-h0. If you wish to have standings with me and not get shot, you may contact my diplomat, Randay, if you want to join me, you can contact my recruiter, Randay. Thank you. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 17:27:00 - [168] Originally by: dan drorgar Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I thought you Toxin guys didn't like POS warfare? Now you've gotten sucked back into it. Do you see TOXIN POS's deployed? No Do you see TOXIN Carrier's? No Do you see TOXIN Dread's? No So I'll quote myself from page 4 Originally by: Selpy Simple answer.. pew pew..... zatt zatt.... boom boom.... "you got mail" \o/ Would you care to rephrase this now, since you: - fielded 6 Dreads and 2 Carriers to put an undefended medium (member-owned) moon-mining POS in F7C into reinforced mode - anchored a small Amarr POS in F7C Not fighting for territory, yeah right. ;-) Since you quoted me, I'll reply to this, and quite frankly, if you used your head for more than a hat rack, you'd see 1 simple thing staring you back in the face that show's we are not here for territory. Do you see an alliance ticker behind our TOXIN tag's? newp, you do not, so there goes your idea that were trying to take your territory since we cannot use the sov side of the game. Ilmon is 100% correct in what he say's. "pew pew....zatt zatt....no more pos in f7c, where yah gonna hide at :) " Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
Soulis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:00:00 - [169] Originally by: Selpy "pew pew....zatt zatt....no more pos in f7c, where yah gonna hide at :) " OMG i love it Shinra - The Good Guys pfffftttttt - Immy
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:03:00 - [170] Originally by: Selpy Since you quoted me, I'll reply to this, and quite frankly, if you used your head for more than a hat rack, you'd see 1 simple thing staring you back in the face that show's we are not here for territory. a) Quit the dumb smack b) I know that you are not in alliance; you are fighting for territory nevertheless (see your corpmate's post above; yes, I know he is just trying to be silly as well) not speaking for my alliance.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:07:00 - [171] Originally by: Randay The small pos was put up by me, as a cyno/carrier spot, just in case Rise wanted to bring it. But it seems they have more important things to do, like making forum posts about it. We generally have more important things to do, like fighting for our territory against an inferior backstabber who would be dust without you guys coming to the rescue every time. Quote: if you want to join me, you can contact my recruiter, Randay. Thank you. No chance, I'd only join corps that state their intentions in a straightforward, serious way and don't have to smack around in this clownish matter. not speaking for my alliance.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:10:00 - [172] Edited by: dan drorgar on 01/10/2006 18:15:41 Originally by: Ilmonstre so if we shoot down a POS where RISE people hide in F7C wich is a entrence point so it would be usefull if a hostile POS would be shot down is fighting a POSwar and not killing a reinforced ss so you will either have to keep switching safespots when shivaja is in there with his carrier or just let him get away with it becouse he is protected by a POS. trying to understand this post without punctuation F7C is an entrance point to what exactly? Territory you are supposedly not fighting for? If we needed a POS to hide at in F7C we'd probably just put up a DS one I guess. not speaking for my alliance.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:17:00 - [173] Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/10/2006 18:17:54 Originally by: dan drorgar ... stuff... I notice in your signature it says... "not speaking for my alliance" .. well thats fine, but, you are talking about things that are only related to your alliance, very specific things as to where you would put or not put up POS for logistical purposes. If you are not speaking for your alliance, then who are you speaking for? You are talking about issues that require specific group activities by your alliance. Either you should remove your signature, or you should talk about things that can be interpreted as affecting you on a personal level. .. or you can keep your signature and effectively contradict yourself, everytime you post.
Lightof God Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:40:00 - [174] /me lubs interesting topics. So lets see here. Lots of talking and pew pewing. Fun Fun it is. But in the words of so many players when two forces of large size clash in anyplace (esp cloud ring that node is wierd I hate it) the only winner is the eve server because it gets to sleep for awhile :) Now that we have the mordor vs shire war heating up I am almost glad that I am out of the game for a few months because the servers are just gonna be so fun to play on :)
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:43:00 - [175] Welcome to being primary, Dan.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:45:00 - [176] Originally by: Marko Debreault Welcome to being primary, Dan. Welcome to me not caring Marko. not speaking for my alliance.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:46:00 - [177] Originally by: Nez Perces ...stuff.. If you need me to explain to you the difference between "speaking for my alliance" and "speaking about my alliance", then I suggest English classes. not speaking for my alliance.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:58:00 - [178] Originally by: dan drorgar If you need me to explain to you the difference between "speaking for my alliance" and "speaking about my alliance", then I suggest English classes. aha ... semantics... so.. you speak about your alliance (at length), but do not represent them in anyway, yet you proudly display your alliance tags under your avatar on the forums. You know what that sounds like don't you? .. a get out clause, so you can say whatever pleases you with immunity and no comeback on your beloved alliance. Would you still type the things you type if you removed your signature.. or does your bravado not extend to such a gesture?
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:58:00 - [179] Originally by: dan drorgar a) Quit the dumb smack b) I know that you are not in alliance; you are fighting for territory nevertheless (see your corpmate's post above; yes, I know he is just trying to be silly as well) that wasn't smack...I could let loose the smackbeast, but I won't go there :) Let me paint a picture for you....3 brute's walk into your house, they kick your teeth in, then go around trashing your house...are they there to take your house and claim it as thier own? no, they are there to kick your teeth in and smash your stuff, plain and simple. That's what were doing, that's what we've been doing ...and that's what we'll continue to do. Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:10:00 - [180] Originally by: Nez Perces so you can say whatever pleases you with immunity and no comeback on your beloved alliance. I find fault with this statement. ------------------

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