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Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:56:00 - [31] Is getting in a corp and stealing all the lowest access stuff in the hangers worthy of a post? It's not like the game isn't set up to help corp thievery is it lol. Well I guess it shows UK must be upsetting their enemies if they must resort to stealing their ammo from them to win.
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Hans Roaming Is getting in a corp and stealing all the lowest access stuff in the hangers worthy of a post? It's not like the game isn't set up to help corp thievery is it lol. Well I guess it shows UK must be upsetting their enemies if they must resort to stealing their ammo from them to win. My master has nothing to do with their wars, hampering their efforts is merely a bonus. The U'K's tactics are nothing but zergling and blobbing, calling in more men whenever the tide turns against them, if anyone is going to tell me Veto and their ilk would have trouble fighting the members of these corporations without the use of cheap tactics i'd say you need to get out of jita and meet up with the combatants involved in this conflict. It says it all when a minmatar anti-slavery rp alliance enlists the aid of their amarr counterparts to fight local pirates in 0.0.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Tazmine My master has nothing to do with their wars, hampering their efforts is merely a bonus. The U'K's tactics are nothing but zergling and blobbing, calling in more men whenever the tide turns against them, if anyone is going to tell me Veto and their ilk would have trouble fighting the members of these corporations without the use of cheap tactics i'd say you need to get out of jita and meet up with the combatants involved in this conflict. It says it all when a minmatar anti-slavery rp alliance enlists the aid of their amarr counterparts to fight local pirates in 0.0. You mean there's more to EVE than Jita? Hot dang have I been missing out on this game. As for UK fighting with all they have, well it is their outpost that is under attack, should they keep some people back? I mean when attacking for an outpost shouldn't one expect to counter the best the enemy can muster? You didn't see MC complain that the Big Blue brought too many people to that initial fight at the gate. I thought the Establishment had more vested in this conflict than any of the other combatants, why the fixation on Veto? Got a special relationship there maybe?
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Tazmine My master has nothing to do with their wars, hampering their efforts is merely a bonus. The U'K's tactics are nothing but zergling and blobbing, calling in more men whenever the tide turns against them, if anyone is going to tell me Veto and their ilk would have trouble fighting the members of these corporations without the use of cheap tactics i'd say you need to get out of jita and meet up with the combatants involved in this conflict. It says it all when a minmatar anti-slavery rp alliance enlists the aid of their amarr counterparts to fight local pirates in 0.0. You mean there's more to EVE than Jita? Hot dang have I been missing out on this game. As for UK fighting with all they have, well it is their outpost that is under attack, should they keep some people back? I mean when attacking for an outpost shouldn't one expect to counter the best the enemy can muster? You didn't see MC complain that the Big Blue brought too many people to that initial fight at the gate. I thought the Establishment had more vested in this conflict than any of the other combatants, why the fixation on Veto? Got a special relationship there maybe? Actually my fixation is that they are the only enemy of the UK i've seen around in force, I havent looked into the politics of the UK's enemy, what I know of this conflict I know from alliance and corp chat, do you think Veto would bother hiding it if I was employed by them? my employers live about 90 jumps north, the last dealings I had with Veto were fighting them around amamake. This is not the Uk's enemies whining about numbers, its someone not involved in the war noting from inside information, his feelings about the tactics used by one side. This 0.0 alliance is unable to hold their own, and without backing from others would faulter in days, signs of a weak alliance not fit to live, I simply do not see what right they have to live on as a 0.0 alliance. Further they are an RP alliance, the irony of them throwing this aside when it suits them to enlist the aid of their sworn enemies as per their own believes, well I find it humouros. I rather wish I was affiliated with Veto, or any corporation in this war, but alas those I work for and their resources are no where near, and as i'm certain you can understand, a 100 afk-auto pilot trough high sec would be out of the question. Don't pass blame just yet, blame will be claimed soon enough and I doubt anyone will be able to guess the person or corporaton he is affiliated too, there is no prior link between my employers and UK.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Tazmine It says it all when a minmatar anti-slavery rp alliance enlists the aid of their amarr counterparts to fight local pirates in 0.0. Eh?
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:13:00 - [36] Well UK obviosly have what it takes as far as numbers, firepower and political savvy in order to hold that station so far. So do you feel that with their outpost under attack they should not meet the enemy with everything they got? Everyone employs overwhelming numbers and firepower in this game, from the large alliances to a pirate gate camp waiting to hit a lone hauler jumping in. Your attempts to justify your actions by demonising UK are humorous at best, you joined them and stole their lowest access loot, big deal. Not like it hasn't been done hundreds of times before and will be done hundreds of times after.
Wheya Amarr Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:13:00 - [37] I will never understand why some people seem to think being a corp thief is any kind of achievement.
War Drumb	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:17:00 - [38] While the Enforcers can not condone corp theft we do see the brilliance in your actions. You have fulfilled the 1st rule and that rule says that it has nothing to do with a fair fight. It has everything to do with making the thugs have the most un-enjoyable pirating experience possible. You action and dedication to honor at the cost of your reputation will be heralded in our group for a long time to come. They all shall be judged and sentenced. Don't fret precious I'm here, step away from the window... Go back to sleep... Lay your head down child I won't let the boogeyman come, Counting bodies like sheep To the rhythm of the war drums
YesI'dLoveTo	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Hans Roaming Well UK obviosly have what it takes as far as numbers, firepower and political savvy in order to hold that station so far. It seems to me that according to the killboards and talk that ISS is doing all the fighting for UK. And ISS has even said that they will take the outpost from UK if the pirates manage to get close to taking it. This gets me to wounder if this aint all a dark plan from ISS to get a free outpost with out major smack and complications on forums and ingame.. Now they have a "just" cause to take the outpost from UK with no one asking questions except UK that is left on the side lines. We all know how important 9UY is for ISS and for getting equipt down to deep 0.0, but hey im just thinking out loud. I know this aint what this thread is about so sorry =/ i will go back to my missions.
Val Oman Delta Desperados	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Tazmine Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Tazmine This 0.0 alliance is unable to hold their own, and without backing from others would faulter in days, signs of a weak alliance not fit to live, I simply do not see what right they have to live on as a 0.0 alliance. my employers and UK. There is always a bigger fish. UK may be the smallest fish in the sea, but they have proven they are more than capable of being an 0.0 alliance. Its not all about members and even PvP talent, its just as much about politics and will. UK narrows its membership to people interested in roleplaying the Minmitar struggle. This limits its ability to recruit LV/BoB/ASCN type numers. So they work very hard at maintaining good relations with it neighbors. They do not fight this alone because they have allies and this is by design not by luck... The last thing to note is UKs unique existance in the game. This motivates entities like the Ammar RPers to at least be nuetral in this if not covertly for UK. You see..there is ONE 0.0 Minmitar RP alliance in this game and hundreds of pirate alliances. The EvE community has a vested interest in UKs survival. If UK dies, so does the main content for a significant number of folks in the south.
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:08:00 - [41] Originally by: YesI'dLoveTo It seems to me that according to the killboards and talk that ISS is doing all the fighting for UK. It's indisputable that we would be in far far worse shape if not for the help of ISS and our many other friends. That's what Hans means by "political savvy".
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:12:00 - [42] I justify nothing, I answer to my master and no one else, the acceptance of the carebears in eve is not something he seeks. These are my own observations and opinions, I will not treathen anyone with murder in real life or beatings (like I myself have recieved during the aftermath of this) because I dislike their tactics or means of survival, I will however speak my mind, if they wish to survive trough cowardice so be it. Personally I prefer taking the Adam Smith approach to things. If ISS are indeed doing a powerplay to gain a station, then I applaud them, that is something I can respect. What I can not respect are weaklings clinging to what little they have by any means, and being permitted to do so. My theft has nothing to do with the war of their politics, nor will those responsible be hiding in any way, names will be given once this will not be damaging to ongoing operations in other regions of eve.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:21:00 - [43] What I cannot respect are corp thieves as it's really a low way to play what is after all a game, it's not that hard to do either so not really worthy of a post.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Tazmine What I can not respect are weaklings clinging to what little they have by any means, and being permitted to do so. Versus, say, taking something by any means and being permitted to do so? If Ushra'Khan have the political clout to bring in assistance and the military clout to outblob their enemies...perhaps they aren't the weaklings they were percieved to be? ...now there's a thought...
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:28:00 - [45] Originally by: YesI'dLoveTo assorted crap only showing that I have absolutely no idea what's going on in 9uy.
Greenbolt	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:34:00 - [46] I think someone wants a cookie. To restate the obvious..most corps will give you lowest level access after a couple weeks of game play. Why? Because they consider the loss of the gear a risk worth taking for keeping its members easy access to basic loot. Are you claiming that the pirate corps that you would only steal 5 ammo dont trust each other enough to give each other support? Then A. they all are self sufficient and I applaud them ...or B..such corps are really sad place to be. I expect there are indeed examples of A..and I hope never to be in example B where I cant even chill out and share items with corp mates and without worrying every member is out to rip me off. As to Roleplaying corps. GMs try. Ive been in a few events...and I am in a Roleplaying style alliance... but more and more I come to the conclusion its almost pointless.. while CCP trys..more and more players I talk to just treat eve as yet another first person shooter. I do hope U'K and its counterpart Amarr Rpers..and any other groups survive and thrive... and honestly its not in their best interests to see the opposites destroyed or lose..because then they would have noone to roleplay against...so eh. weakness bah. just trying to make sure the possibility to continue to have RPing makes sense. anyway there have a cookie.
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:38:00 - [47] Edited by: Tazmine on 11/09/2006 16:40:29 Doublepost ftl.
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:39:00 - [48] Edited by: Tazmine on 11/09/2006 16:39:49 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Tazmine What I can not respect are weaklings clinging to what little they have by any means, and being permitted to do so. Versus, say, taking something by any means and being permitted to do so? If Ushra'Khan have the political clout to bring in assistance and the military clout to outblob their enemies...perhaps they aren't the weaklings they were percieved to be? ...now there's a thought... They are weaklings, ISS are hardly known for fantastic pvp either but put together all the people guarding the station you get a nut quite hard to crunch, that aside they are on the defensive clinging to a system barely hanging on, this is hardly being the dominant force in a war, it's clinging to power you're too weak to claim for yourself. Edith: Columbo ***ed the case, *, I found a * in the damm, is my english really this off, or are ccp plagued by *** ho's?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Tazmine They are weaklings... ...put together all the people guarding the station you get a nut quite hard to crunch Which is it, troll? You'll get no sympathy here. War is total war. If your "masters" failed to take ushra'khans political connections into account, that is THEIR weakness, not Ushra'Khans.
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Tazmine They are weaklings... ...put together all the people guarding the station you get a nut quite hard to crunch Which is it, troll? You'll get no sympathy here. War is total war. If your "masters" failed to take ushra'khans political connections into account, that is THEIR weakness, not Ushra'Khans. Do you read? I am not connected to the war nor are my masters, the statement is UK are weak, not those who guard UK, UK is a seperate alliance, not a corp, an alliance that would be unable to survive without the aid of other, stronger alliances, this is why I fail to see how they can justify their survival.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Tazmine Do you read? I am not connected to the war nor are my masters I read. I also doubt. Originally by: Tazmine the statement is UK are weak, not those who guard UK, UK is a seperate alliance, not a corp, an alliance that would be unable to survive without the aid of other, stronger alliances, this is why I fail to see how they can justify their survival. Yet multiple organizations (to include at least two alliances I believe) are waging this seige against Ushra'Khan. Are you gonna get on here and preach that if those organizations aren't strong enough to take the outpost individually, they don't have the right to take it? ...be fair, troll...
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:58:00 - [52] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Tazmine Do you read? I am not connected to the war nor are my masters I read. I also doubt. Originally by: Tazmine the statement is UK are weak, not those who guard UK, UK is a seperate alliance, not a corp, an alliance that would be unable to survive without the aid of other, stronger alliances, this is why I fail to see how they can justify their survival. Yet multiple organizations (to include at least two alliances I believe) are waging this seige against Ushra'Khan. Are you gonna get on here and preach that if those organizations aren't strong enough to take the outpost individually, they don't have the right to take it? ...be fair, troll... The troll has stated he is not fair, but subjective and basing his opinions on UK alliance chat aswell as the corp chat of said trolls corporation, I neither know nor care what the hell their enemies are doing, if they are equally pathetic they wont last, its called darwinism.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Tazmine its called darwinism. Well let's wait this out, then, before deciding who was weak and who was strong. If Ushra'Khan and their allies fall before the assorted pirate corps and alliances involved against them...then I suppose you'll be right: Ushra'Khan were not strong enough. But to call them weak (or their enemies weak) because they involve other allies...that shows extreme political naivete. Be content with your dirty little trick and crawl back under the rock from whence you came.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:04:00 - [54] Tazmine, know lots about EVE aliances and politics then.
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Tazmine its called darwinism. Well let's wait this out, then, before deciding who was weak and who was strong. If Ushra'Khan and their allies fall before the assorted pirate corps and alliances involved against them...then I suppose you'll be right: Ushra'Khan were not strong enough. But to call them weak (or their enemies weak) because they involve other allies...that shows extreme political naivete. Be content with your dirty little trick and crawl back under the rock from whence you came. To haveto rely on outside military help is a sign of military weakness, they are not self sufficient, weak. Take away their support, they fall. Now me, I consider this weak.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:10:00 - [56] Edited by: Hans Roaming on 11/09/2006 17:11:53 Originally by: Tazmine Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Tazmine its called darwinism. Well let's wait this out, then, before deciding who was weak and who was strong. If Ushra'Khan and their allies fall before the assorted pirate corps and alliances involved against them...then I suppose you'll be right: Ushra'Khan were not strong enough. But to call them weak (or their enemies weak) because they involve other allies...that shows extreme political naivete. Be content with your dirty little trick and crawl back under the rock from whence you came. To haveto rely on outside military help is a sign of military weakness, they are not self sufficient, weak. Take away their support, they fall. Now me, I consider this weak. Oh well I guess no one has military alliances in real life either that you don't think are weak.
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Hans Roaming Edited by: Hans Roaming on 11/09/2006 17:11:53 Originally by: Tazmine Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Tazmine its called darwinism. Well let's wait this out, then, before deciding who was weak and who was strong. If Ushra'Khan and their allies fall before the assorted pirate corps and alliances involved against them...then I suppose you'll be right: Ushra'Khan were not strong enough. But to call them weak (or their enemies weak) because they involve other allies...that shows extreme political naivete. Be content with your dirty little trick and crawl back under the rock from whence you came. To haveto rely on outside military help is a sign of military weakness, they are not self sufficient, weak. Take away their support, they fall. Now me, I consider this weak. Oh well I guess no one has military alliances in real life either that you don't think are weak. In real life I dont steal, I dont assult anyone not my friend with the intent to kill them etc, are you seeing my point? In real life corporations do not control military resources and wage large scale warfare. This, is a computer game.
Kiyirari	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:42:00 - [58] Edited by: Kiyirari on 11/09/2006 17:44:55 Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Darknesslnc	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:43:00 - [59] how long till we get a lock?
Tazmine Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:49:00 - [60] I hope long, or my dearest master will haveto make a new thread to reveal his brilliant plots and schemes!

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