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Qwuaihn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:17:00 - [31] I support the good doctor in this! I was all about ready to get in my geddon and do some pvp when staring at a gate for 30 secs that said jumping made me go carebear some instead. This is **** tbh! // Qwuaihn - Infod
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:28:00 - [32] kojak brings up good points that seem doable but it should always stay as the one universe other wise it will be crappy.
Alexander Kiernov Minmatar The Movement	Posted - 2006.09.10 22:18:00 - [33] Fact remains that I'm not experiencing lag anywhere near the proportions you and other seem to claim in this thread, which makes it far from certain that the problem lies at CCP's desk. And about the part where you were shaking, that wasn't a threat kojak, it was simply a statement. I'm not gonna do anything about it in game as I'm not spending any in-game time on forum argues. ------------------------------------------
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.11 00:59:00 - [34] me agreed fully with this topic. Fix the lag CCP. Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 02:41:00 - [35] And what kind of lag we're talking about here? You know there is numerous forms of lag and most of them can NOT be fixed by CCP... Player Generated Lag Last week, due to CCP announcing the 5 BM copy restriction, numerous idiots in the game ran to copying massive amounts of bookmarks causing total crash of the cluster. Should CCP fix the ppl? Network Generated Lag There are several ISPs in between you and CCP, any of them being able to generate lag. Should CCP fix the whole internet? Client Side Generated Lag Your client settings and condition of your PC will generate all kinds of lag. Should CCP come to your home and fix your PC? Graphical Lag Your graphics adapter, it's settings, including but not limited to eve settings, can cause graphical lag. Should CCP teach you how to tweak your PC? Ingame Event Based Lag We were running today with 70+ ships gang... There was a lot of lag but we didn't whine. Why? Because we didn't expect CCP to ban half of us and then pod the rest. The lag CCP can do something about And I hear they are including better performance monitoring into the code as we speak, so in fact, they're woking on it. So unless we have no solid and specific suggestions or ideas to fix the lag, don't post in this forum. The Whining Forum is Elsewhere...
Grigo	Posted - 2006.09.11 05:57:00 - [36] Edited by: Grigo on 11/09/2006 06:03:07 Originally by: codepic So unless we have no solid and specific suggestions or ideas to fix the lag, don't post in this forum. The Whining Forum is Elsewhere... well i sugested a way to reduce lag in surten situations....and yes it dose reduces lag.. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=380345 ccp responce...none....proble still not solved...and yes login traps afect people outside the involved sistem. and above this there tons of ideas in the forums about fixing diferent aspects of the game that generates lag....on the client or the server side...and from what i red none ware ansered by anyone that can realy do anything about it... conclusion no CCP official read these forums about the all post idea about this...guys pls get real...there aprox 100k active acounts on eve whit a 10k-30k onlyne acounts ...economicly speaking 100 people suporting a idea or complaining about someting is ....well uninportant...so guys ...get real...ether get atleast 10k or so users to suport someting or dont bother as nowan will care...well nowan from ccp its all about precentege.....0.1% wine adout someting that creates lag...well maybe a lot more have the prob and such but only the voice of those is hered....do u realy think they will do someting
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.11 06:22:00 - [37] i agree there is alot of lag lately. It started after last patch. Game is unplayable bigger then 10vs10 fights. to codepic: My connection is fine, My PC is very fine. Seems like EVE has some database issues at the moment. My suggestion for decreasing little lag is to make for example buddy list client based not to add them to server database. Every client is quering server everytime someone in buddy list is loggin off or on for example i have over 1k ppl in buddylist (and when there is a crash somewhere in eve or someone is making logon trap ill lag to death) and thats because eve doest have quick way to give characters anykind of "flag" to identify them quickly. I understand that you cant make bookmarks as client based because of the chance they could be hacked. But Buddy list?? hack us much you want :p Second thing is mails - make them client based. To be honost i dont even know why the players have to search the fix for the lag. We dont know the real arhitecture of eve, so my points above might as well be very wrong. But i hope we can help somehow. im sure there is more samekind of little lag generators. BR putukas
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.11 06:42:00 - [38] Originally by: codepic And what kind of lag we're talking about here? You know there is numerous forms of lag and most of them can NOT be fixed by CCP... Player Generated Lag Last week, due to CCP announcing the 5 BM copy restriction, numerous idiots in the game ran to copying massive amounts of bookmarks causing total crash of the cluster. Should CCP fix the ppl? Network Generated Lag There are several ISPs in between you and CCP, any of them being able to generate lag. Should CCP fix the whole internet? Client Side Generated Lag Your client settings and condition of your PC will generate all kinds of lag. Should CCP come to your home and fix your PC? Graphical Lag Your graphics adapter, it's settings, including but not limited to eve settings, can cause graphical lag. Should CCP teach you how to tweak your PC? Ingame Event Based Lag We were running today with 70+ ships gang... There was a lot of lag but we didn't whine. Why? Because we didn't expect CCP to ban half of us and then pod the rest. The lag CCP can do something about And I hear they are including better performance monitoring into the code as we speak, so in fact, they're woking on it. So unless we have no solid and specific suggestions or ideas to fix the lag, don't post in this forum. The Whining Forum is Elsewhere... 1. this is a problem of CCP, their server/database code is the sole responsible. why do I have to wait 2 minutes after I open corp hangar for the game to load JUST the hangar names ? 2. agreed, however network generated lag is a minimum part 3. 4. well I wish I could do something about client settings, but they are so crap I cannot. texture sizes ? model complexity settings ? environment complexity settings ? special effects settings ? come on, you have to turn off turret effects by a shortcut because it is NOT in the settings menu. this is again a failure of CCP to design and code a good quality client. 5. so when you want to do an operation involving large number of players, the generated lag is your own fault ? hey this is an MMORPG, it SHOULD involve events with many players participating without the game becoming unplayable. And finaly, you have a clue how the server/client are designed and implemented ? I do not, so it is on the side of the designers/implementors (again CCP) to come up with solutions to problems. I gladly help, however I can only do so much as the client permits. Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
Ellaine TashMurkon MetaForge Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.11 06:54:00 - [39] There is simply too much client side lag, graphical or not. If there is a big diffrence between stron and weak computers, its client side. It's probably much easier to optimise then server side lag, and philosophy of "its client side, buy bigger comp" is not good for customers.
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:51:00 - [40] Fellow EvE'rs I thank you for your support in showing that there are more than just a couple of players who experience lag. Having a very state of the art computer, running sli graphics and having 2 gigs mem + raptor disks, I can surely say that lag on my computer is not caused by, err well, my computer. Being stuck in traffic controls, being disconnected when jumping in more than 10 people through the same gate, having immense lag when more than 10 enemies jumps in on ya.... well thats what I for my part have experienced the last couple of days. Please note that most of the people posting here are from different countries, they have different connections and different computers. Yes, some might even, and God forbid, have computers powerful enough to run the game. Where might the lag come from then??? You tell me!!! I thought I'd never say this, but World of Warcraft and Blizzard have taken upon themselves to make their game playable (even though it sucks) regardless of their customers having a state of the art computer or not. I am however not going to put up a list of how to fix the lag because I pay CCP to do exactly that, and so do every other eve player!!! Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Zarch AlDain Friends of Everyone	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:06:00 - [41] I'm sure they are working on it - and some systems are definately worse than others. I do agree that the last few days (in particular) have shown a steady degradation in performance - but at various times since Dragon I have actually seen lag being a lot better. For Jita they cannot stop people going there - they definately need to tweak the gates (again) though so no autopilot goes through it. We could do with an 'avoid busy systems' option in the autopilot that is on by default too. Zarch AlDain
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Zarch AlDain I'm sure they are working on it - and some systems are definately worse than others. I do agree that the last few days (in particular) have shown a steady degradation in performance - but at various times since Dragon I have actually seen lag being a lot better. For Jita they cannot stop people going there - they definately need to tweak the gates (again) though so no autopilot goes through it. We could do with an 'avoid busy systems' option in the autopilot that is on by default too. They are always "working on it!". And they always say "sorry for the inconvenience!". Problem is that they have been "working on it" for many years now.. As I said before, It is not up to us to fix this for CCP, they are to fix it themselves; thats what we pay them to do! Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Jarl Sigurd Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:42:00 - [43] Oh stop whining ffs You never seem to appreciate what you've got. Ok, sure you are paying good money, but O M G the view inside a station is nice. Just because you can't undock, chat, mail, copy bm's or fit your ship due to lag I really don't see the problem? Hell, I haven't lost a ship for months now thanks to the laggy universe :-) Here is a tip: take a screenshot when you actually do manage to log in, and you will be able to get the full eve experience without even being online in the future \o/ On the other side, this idea of Kojak's of PvP and interacting with other players seems nice, so sign me up!
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:48:00 - [44] LOL at Jarl doc
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:42:00 - [45] I support the following initiative. Everyone that threatens to leave, unless there demands are met, are instantly banned for 7 days (to reduce lag). also everyone that complains and *****es like its there god given right to have everything perfect all the time are banned for 14 days (thus reducing more lag) see where this is going? If you complaining about ONE week of lag, how bout u put it into perspective? how much 'serious lag' have you had in 3+ years of retail Eve? Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 10:07:00 - [46] I've had a lot of serious lag. And this was when I was able to log into eve!!! Oh, those golden eve beta-test days... You couldn't even imagine the lag =) Since then, the lag situation has only got better while the userbase has dramatically increased. I don't have a state of the art computer. I built it myself 2001. It's operating system was last reinstalled in the beginning of 2005, since then, no reinstalls of Operating System. I got 100+ programs installed on this machine. One could say it is as possible lag beast as anyone could imagine. Still, while people whine about lag, I'm like what lag? You have to understand that 100% of lag is human generated in some form. If the eve universe was totally empty, there would be no lag. So try to figure out by monitoring what YOU are doing a lot, and try to figure out how to either avoid it or how to make it less stressing for the servers. However, if the only solution you can come up with is that you threaten to quit eve, then bye bye... It's just more resources for the less whiny players. You cannot expect CCP to constantly visit these forums and announce what they have acknowledged and what they'll do about it. The last time they did, they said they're going to limit the copying of bookmarks to 5 at a time (while the whole copying was made speedier and they are in process of developing an improved replacement for the whole BM system). This lead to ppl copy aggressively massive amounts of bookmarks before the change (because ppl really didn't understand what CCP said) which lead to a lot of lag which probably lead to this thread (last week's lag issues) Just my 5 cents. Less whine, more helping with IDEAS.... Please
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.11 10:47:00 - [47] well kali is coming out this week (initial test version build) i for one will be spending much more time there helping to test it esp when TQ lag becomes to much
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Laythun I support the following initiative. Everyone that threatens to leave, unless there demands are met, are instantly banned for 7 days (to reduce lag). also everyone that complains and *****es like its there god given right to have everything perfect all the time are banned for 14 days (thus reducing more lag) see where this is going? If you complaining about ONE week of lag, how bout u put it into perspective? how much 'serious lag' have you had in 3+ years of retail Eve? Thanx for the input. However, there is only a certain amount of lag that is tolerable. Summing up all lag and serverproblems we have had and comparing it to other online rpgs/action games is what one should do. I was saying that this week of lag and problems were enough for to express my concern about EvE and negative belief in CCP. Being pure pvp, 3 years of lag is quite expensive I must insist. Additionally it is my PAID right to express what I feel about the game when the product I pay for (and love to a certain degree) is not what I believe it should be like. Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:44:00 - [49] Originally by: codepic I've had a lot of serious lag. And this was when I was able to log into eve!!! Oh, those golden eve beta-test days... You couldn't even imagine the lag =) Since then, the lag situation has only got better while the userbase has dramatically increased. I don't have a state of the art computer. I built it myself 2001. It's operating system was last reinstalled in the beginning of 2005, since then, no reinstalls of Operating System. I got 100+ programs installed on this machine. One could say it is as possible lag beast as anyone could imagine. Still, while people whine about lag, I'm like what lag? You have to understand that 100% of lag is human generated in some form. If the eve universe was totally empty, there would be no lag. So try to figure out by monitoring what YOU are doing a lot, and try to figure out how to either avoid it or how to make it less stressing for the servers. However, if the only solution you can come up with is that you threaten to quit eve, then bye bye... It's just more resources for the less whiny players. You cannot expect CCP to constantly visit these forums and announce what they have acknowledged and what they'll do about it. The last time they did, they said they're going to limit the copying of bookmarks to 5 at a time (while the whole copying was made speedier and they are in process of developing an improved replacement for the whole BM system). This lead to ppl copy aggressively massive amounts of bookmarks before the change (because ppl really didn't understand what CCP said) which lead to a lot of lag which probably lead to this thread (last week's lag issues) Just my 5 cents. Less whine, more helping with IDEAS.... Please I am not threating to stop playing EvE. Its a great game and I love it. However I strongly believe CCP are able to make it far superior in regards to lag. CCP does not have me on their paylist, thus I do not have to come up with suggestions on how to fix the problem. I do however encourage people to help CCP. But, seeing the last proposals on the forum being shredded apart by players with different beliefs and different insight in computers and networking, CCP are probably better off to try one of their own solutions and see if it works. If it doesnt work, well.. try something else. Patches are coming out every other day anyways.. Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:45:00 - [50] Wether or not we should keep playing for free till most lag issues are solved.. I prefer not to side with any opinion. Although I think Dr Kojak has some valid points that deserve attention. CCP, the game has become more faulty than I can remember in certain aspects and lag is increasing dangerously, aside from other issues that are right now... "very annoying" to express it softly. Solutions now CCP!!, please.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:47:00 - [51] ok some lag if in larger fleet battles has to come down with the speed at which everyone is able to update and resend their various packets of data why is this important if u have 10% of youre fleet on dialup and taking forever to update their data in relation to everyone else then it becomes problematic solution increase miniumum bandwidth to 128k or 256k connections (has this been thought of as a lag reduction measure)
Awox	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Tassi Fix your servers and Amarr CCP. lol Tassi lol Amarr hahah
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Noveron Wether or not we should keep playing for free till most lag issues are solved.. I prefer not to side with any opinion. Although I think Dr Kojak has some valid points that deserve attention. CCP, the game has become more faulty than I can remember in certain aspects and lag is increasing dangerously, aside from other issues that are right now... "very annoying" to express it softly. Solutions now CCP!!, please. I salute you and thank you for seeing and supporting my pov! dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Usotsuki	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:56:00 - [54] Play during off-times. Seriously, when i log in at 5 in the morning my modules actually respond in a timely manner and omg the market loads SO much faster. but i understand that's not plausible for most ppl
Zarch AlDain Friends of Everyone	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:01:00 - [55] My suggestion: Disable free trial issuing until the lag is fixed. Zarch AlDain
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Usotsuki Play during off-times. Seriously, when i log in at 5 in the morning my modules actually respond in a timely manner and omg the market loads SO much faster. but i understand that's not plausible for most ppl Pirating and off-time is not a perfect combo m8! lol dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:07:00 - [57] Originally by: Zarch AlDain My suggestion: Disable free trial issuing until the lag is fixed. Allthough I have stated that I am not willing to make any suggestions to CCP as to what they should do I heartily applaude Zarch for this suggestion. Bet CCP is negative to this proposal as they will highjack less new players. dr Kojak Infinitus Odium
Grigo	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Dr Kojak Originally by: Zarch AlDain My suggestion: Disable free trial issuing until the lag is fixed. Allthough I have stated that I am not willing to make any suggestions to CCP as to what they should do I heartily applaude Zarch for this suggestion. Bet CCP is negative to this proposal as they will highjack less new players. dr Kojak Infinitus Odium then just restrict them to use the test server ....that way theres suficient test personel and they can see what the game is about :)
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Grigo then just restrict them to use the test server ....that way theres suficient test personel and they can see what the game is about :) IMO, but not having thought too much about it, this could be a very brilliant idea. You can get the feel of how EVE is like in the test server. Any other feedback on this subject?
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:13:00 - [60] Put a holt to new accounts, CCP you dont need more subscribers. More people will only kill off your playerbase because there would be even more lag than the laggiest lag from lagsville!

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