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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.11 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 11/09/2006 03:47:40
It is sep the 9th here in New Zeland.
9-11. a day that will live in infamy.
america and the rest of the world was attack by
islamic fools. much like the japanesse during WWII
they have woken a giant.
May alah have no mercy on the islamic people who
are invovled in anyway.
My heart goes out to the familes of all involved with
the twin towers.
Firemen, policemen and firecrews not to mention
civilians in the buildings and in the aircraft.
I hope i am not the only non american to feel this way and think that it was not fair on america and other nationalities in the buildings around the world.
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Mirral
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Posted - 2006.09.11 04:09:00 -
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Its this generations Pearl Harbor...
nothing more
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.11 04:19:00 -
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hmmm damn americans and their quirks, i thought they got attacked on sept 11th, and not on the 9th.
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Erotic Irony
Occassus Republica
Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:11:00 -
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The first of what may be many 9-11 threads to be deleted.
3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.
GG.
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Da Death
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:21:00 -
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9-11 has nothing to do in eve
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Micia
Minmatar
N.A.S.A.
Cobra Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Da Death
9-11 has nothing to do in eve
Quote:
2. Unlike all other forums on the website, all posts here doesnĘt have to be related to EVE. In fact, they canĘt be related to EVE. The purpose of this forum is for all posts not related to EVE.
Maybe 9-11 posts will be classified as political, though. It's not an easy topic, in any event.
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Out Of Exile
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
It is sep the 9th here in New Zeland.
What does September the 9th have to do with 9/11?
Fair points raised and all but we shouldn't be talking about it on the Eve forum, and certainly not in the inciteful style your post is written in.
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Sparrling
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 11/09/2006 03:47:40
america and the rest of the world was attack by
islamic fools.
Not really, no
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Pablos Ine
Aquarius Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death
9-11 has nothing to do in eve
400x120@24000 bytes or less please. -Capsicum
"Only the dead have seen the end of war."
Plato
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Pablos Ine
Aquarius Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:18:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Da Death
9-11 has nothing to do in eve
Thats why its in Out of Pod I would presume.
WIll never forget those poor souls who lost everything that tragic day.
400x120@24000 bytes or less please. -Capsicum
"Only the dead have seen the end of war."
Plato
"I drank what !!! ?"
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
It is sep the 9th here in New Zeland.
What does September the 9th have to do with 9/11?
Fair points raised and all but we shouldn't be talking about it on the Eve forum, and certainly not in the inciteful style your post is written in.
mistake. build a bridge please
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:43:00 -
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More people were killed in 2001 in the UK alone by falling out of their beds than were killed by terrorist acts WORLDWIDE. Put things into perspective before getting all bleeding-heart about it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/09/2006 09:53:48
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
america and the rest of the world was attack by
islamic fools. much like the japanesse during WWII
they have woken a giant.
a) They didn't attack me.
b) The japanese were, as it says in your post, in a war.
c) After pearl harbour America joined a war, after 9/11 America started a war.
Also: IBTL \o\ /o/
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
b) The japanese were, as it says in your post, in a war.
Not technically true. There was a screw up that prevented the japanese ambassador from issuing the war declaration before the planes arrived. They TRIED to declare war, but didn't manage it because the americans kept the ambassador waiting 
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Zedic
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:12:00 -
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I pray for peace and serenity for those who lost loved ones and friends. I nearly lost a few myself. It's strange how many people I've met since then who knew someone there, or who was supposed to be there but something changed at the last minute such as a few of my coworkers who were scheduled to work one of the flights that hit the towers, or a friend who was supposed to be in a meeting in one of the towers but was moved to another site that morning.
On this and every day, I will keep them all in my thoughts and prayers. In Respect, Honor and Remembrance,
Zed
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:16:00 -
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the contents of this thread are begging to be cleaned. WITH FIRE.
Seriously, theres a reason why politically-charged topics like 9-11 dont belong on these forums, and not only because its not allowed in the first place
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want a sig like mine? :D
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Zedic
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:20:00 -
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This is the "out of pod" experience section. A simple, non-politically charged thread for remembrance ought not to be a bad thing.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:21:00 -
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There's a line between a political statement, and an honest tribute to those that died today.
The OP is treading that line closely; just keep the political discussions of why it happened and what should be done about it off the boards, and this should be fine imo.
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Johnny Twoshoe
Infinite Style Incorporated
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 11/09/2006 11:22:18
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 09:49:38
More people were killed in 2001 in the UK alone by falling out of their beds than were killed by terrorist acts WORLDWIDE (that includes 9/11). Put things into perspective before getting all bleeding-heart about it.
Are you telling us to forget? To get over it?
I'm sure you weren't saying something like that on July 7th, 2005.
Or are you completely and totally unpatriotic?
On Topic: My prayers go out to the families of those lost. We'll never forget.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Twoshoe
Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 11/09/2006 11:22:18
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 09:49:38
More people were killed in 2001 in the UK alone by falling out of their beds than were killed by terrorist acts WORLDWIDE (that includes 9/11). Put things into perspective before getting all bleeding-heart about it.
Are you telling us to forget? To get over it?
I'm sure you weren't saying something like that on July 7th, 2005.
Or are you completely and totally unpatriotic?
On Topic: My prayers go out to the families of those lost. We'll never forget.
Maybe just maybe he is implying there is a secret organisation that pushes people out of there beds in thier sleep in the UK?
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Shadowsword
Gallente
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Twoshoe
Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 11/09/2006 11:22:18
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 09:49:38
More people were killed in 2001 in the UK alone by falling out of their beds than were killed by terrorist acts WORLDWIDE (that includes 9/11). Put things into perspective before getting all bleeding-heart about it.
Are you telling us to forget? To get over it?
I'm sure you weren't saying something like that on July 7th, 2005.
Or are you completely and totally unpatriotic?
On Topic: My prayers go out to the families of those lost. We'll never forget.
He's right, you know. More childrens dies of AIDS or hunger world-wide in a month than all the victim of 9/11, yet no one speak about them. If a certain government were spending even 5% of what it spend in military bugdet, or a quarter of it's speech time, a lot of them would be saved.
No one tells you to forget the victims, but you don't need to forget to get over it. And it's past time for you to do just that. As long as you let it affect your way of life, accept freedom restrictions to feel safer, then the terrorists win.
And calling someone unpatriotic because they don't agree with you is a very stupid thing to do.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Crumplecorn
b) The japanese were, as it says in your post, in a war.
Not technically true. There was a screw up that prevented the japanese ambassador from issuing the war declaration before the planes arrived. They TRIED to declare war, but didn't manage it because the americans kept the ambassador waiting
OMG the japanese are terrorists terrors!
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Johnny Twoshoe
Infinite Style Incorporated
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:28:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 11/09/2006 12:29:05
Originally by: Shadowsword
He's right, you know. More childrens dies of AIDS or hunger world-wide in a month than all the victim of 9/11, yet no one speak about them. If a certain government were spending even 5% of what it spend in military bugdet, or a quarter of it's speech time, a lot of them would be saved.
No one tells you to forget the victims, but you don't need to forget to get over it. And it's past time for you to do just that. As long as you let it affect your way of life, accept freedom restrictions to feel safer, then the terrorists win.
And calling someone unpatriotic because they don't agree with you is a very stupid thing to do.
I didn't call him unpatriotic. I asked him if he was.
But what is there to agree on here? That 9/11 was a very bad day? That the victims should be forgotten? I'm 'over' 9/11. I don't let it directly affect my way of life; I don't go around saying "Oh my gosh, we were attacked. I'm going to serpentine while taking out the trash!" For the sake of patriotism, though, I will get "bleeding-hearted" on this day, because I want to feel atleast some degree of compassion for the people who lost friends and family five years ago today.
Yes, more attention should be paid to AIDS victims, cancer suffers, even people such as those that survived the Holocaust. I have to disagree on the budget point, though. I don't put great stock in "More money = More cures". Some of the greatest medical breakthroughs were by accident (penicillin), or just an ordinary experiemnt (the first inoculations). Or do you refer to general treatment of these patients, not just research into cures?
My post is straying into the politics zone. </end>
P.S.: Yes, I suck at debating, arguing, and such things. Sue me. 
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Erosie
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:38:00 -
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You do realize that it was not AL-Quadia was behind this attacks, but the Bush administraion ??
No?
Lose Change
check this out and see for yourself
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Twoshoe
I'm sure you weren't saying something like that on July 7th, 2005.
I was.
In fact, let me dig out the email I sent to somebody asking about it...
Quote:
It sucks for the few who have lost people, it sucks for the 70 seriously
injured, but it also sucks for the people who were killed on the motorways
yesterday. I don't know who they were but I know people certainly were.
We get on with life, smug in the knowledge that it really, REALLY ****es off our
enemies.
For the record, I was within cycling distance of the G8 when the bombs hit.
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:45:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Erosie
You do realize that it was not AL-Quadia was behind this attacks, but the Bush administraion ??
No?
Lose Change
check this out and see for yourself
With this post, this entire thread has crossed the very thin line between a memorial thread, and a political statement.
Nice going, NOT
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want a sig like mine? :D
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Twoshoe
Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 11/09/2006 11:22:18
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 09:49:38
More people were killed in 2001 in the UK alone by falling out of their beds than were killed by terrorist acts WORLDWIDE (that includes 9/11). Put things into perspective before getting all bleeding-heart about it.
1) Are you telling us to forget? To get over it?
2) I'm sure you weren't saying something like that on July 7th, 2005.
3) Or are you completely and totally unpatriotic?
On Topic: My prayers go out to the families of those lost. We'll never forget.
1) Of course not, I'm saying put it in perspective.
2) Why wouldn't I? It's a terrible thing to happen, but at the end of the day, I'm more worried about tripping over something at home and falling on a knife, or *****ing my head on a table corner.
3) No, but I fail to see why victims of terrorism are more worthy of remembrance than everyone else who happens to die young. Because theirs involved explosions and looked more impressive?
Ultimately, terrorism doesn't add one iota of extra danger to the world we live in. What it does do is create a climate of fear to such an extent that we're not even allowed to take a bottle of water on a plane any more. Where a couple of arabic-looking lads larking about on a plane can cause the flight to be cancelled. But that's exactly what the terrorists want isn't it.
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El Berto
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:06:00 -
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People posting on whatever side of the political arguements need to grow up or shut up. This isn't the place - just send your condolences.
My thoughts are with those that were left behind and the innocent caught in repercussions through out the world.
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 11/09/2006 13:15:52
Most overblown event of the 21st century. The post-9/11 dramatization of the Bush administration is the biggest PR stunt in history.
Condolances to the families of those who died of course, but come on, more people die every day from famine in Africa, yet noone seems to have the urge to dramatize that.
Give it a rest, it wasn't a huge event, there's no need to remind people of it every year.
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:18:00 -
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For those that don't understand the '9' in 9-11. 9 represents the 9th month of the year, hence September ~shakes his head light~
I was in Fort Benning Georgia close to 8am or so when news of this started to come about. It was totally unbelievable that something like this was happening. Everyone in Headquarters was shocked. I remembered the days and months following it, also watching our politics unfold a war across the world which many upon many are now involved from across the world and not just the United States.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
military people and civilians dead or dying for the very cause for freedom the world over and from all countries to keep such #&^% from ever happening again and to keep your sorry butts safe and right to use your disrespecting mouths in the first place. Put things in perspective and for the sake of those that are trying to keep the terrorism in check, be more respectful.
Watch less TV. Or maybe more. Not sure which. Maybe just stop talking?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:41:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/09/2006 13:46:32
Originally by: Michiyo Daishi
Originally by: Erosie
You do realize that it was not AL-Quadia was behind this attacks, but the Bush administraion ??
No?
Lose Change
check this out and see for yourself
With this post, this entire thread has crossed the very thin line between a memorial thread, and a political statement.
Nice going, NOT
FFS, it's talking about an event that caused a war, of course it's terrible what happened to the people of NY, but the worst thing to come from that day was a pretext for Team America to do their thing.
The line between memorial thread and political statement was crossed about here:
Quote:
america and the rest of the world was attack by
islamic fools. much like the japanesse during WWII
they have woken a giant.
May alah have no mercy on the islamic people who
are invovled in anyway.
IBTL?
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:25:00 -
[33]
man those cops and fireman had balls, some still going into the north even though its stability was questioned after the south fell.
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:40:00 -
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Gentlemen and a few ladies, one thing that should be reminded of is not only the deaths of 9-11 but the changes the world went through because of it. Massive changes, political ones, miltary ones and many demographic ones have been undertaken because of this single tragic event. Yes it was a very BIG thing. Many thousands of people died with in the matter of minutes not over the course of hours days or weeks but in a very small finite time frame.
Many countries have faced their disasters and tragedies. But few countries also have the global influence the United states have or had at that time and a ballsy enough president to take a stand and yes **** off the world and a great many people. I don't care for anyones opinions of my country or my president but what I do care for now is we are on a global mission to keep this act of terrorism from ever happening to us or to anyone else ever again.
Many young folks don't under stand what really happened back in 2001 and some if many don't care since it doesn't fit into their little world. I pray that these same people who are so quick to discredit and disrespect things they know little about; never ever see the very incident(s) they are so quick to be judgemental about and which in due course people like me and from other militaries of the world are fighting and dying for those very same causes.
We can't take back what happened that day but many wish they could, the ones that lost loved ones and ones that have lost loved ones since that day fighting terrorism all over the world. It is to these people that I remember 9-11 for because the effects of that very event is still carrying us all on its ripples to this day.
*added*
This is also why we must never forget so we will never let it happen again. Like the holocaust or other past world tragic events that have shaped history both good or bad in ways that reflect what we have today.
Remembering this day is not just a United States thing. It is a world thing because this event changed the entire world. Look back before 9-11 and think of how much terrorism was talked about. Now look how much it is in the light of things today. It doesn't matter who is making the most noise about it, it does matter now that the entire world is noticing it and taking action against it. It is this reason why it is rememberd and will be remembered to ward off our lazy ways and complacentcy in thinking we are safe when we really aren't if we don't work to keep ourselves and other safe from these things.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:42:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Team America, **** yeah!
Fixed
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Mak'shar Karrde
Minmatar
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:45:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Mak''shar Karrde on 11/09/2006 14:46:57
The victims of the attack on 9/11 are not responsible for the politicians who carry out horrors in their name.
And damn! You made me type 9/11. I did, of course, mean 11/9. *Grumbles* Bloody Americans, corrupting me with your strange customs.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde
The victims of the attack on 9/11 are not responsible for the politicians who carry out horrors in their name.
Since being at ground zero, I've always felt it was New York that was attacked, but all of America that responsed. Like NY is its own little country that experienced a tragedy, which was then twisted to meet the agenda of the US in general.
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Spenz
Gallente
Empire POS Experiment
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:51:00 -
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I for one shall never forget 9/11.
I dunno about other people but I found suicide commercial airliners to be pretty disturbing. Its one thing to see a japanese plane plunging towards a US carrier with flak and tracers going all over....its another thing to see a wide-bodied Boeing 767 that I have flow on countless times come screaming in at full speed right into a US landmark that I wanted to visit someday when I was older.
Bush-hate syndrome has turned many people into monsters. Quite sad really. Its getting harder to find someone disgusted by the acts of terrorists (whoever they may be) simply because they dont like Bush or the US.
As much as I dislike these children who werent old enough in 2001 to fully appreciate the horror of this act, I pray that they will never have to see something that horrific in the future, where they CAN appreciate the horror of an act that was beyond anything previously seen before (we have seen bus bombs and airplane bombs, but airliners turned into guided missiles aimed at the tallest building they could find? I had never heard of that happening before).
May the dieties bless those who died, and may they pass proper judgement on those who instigated this horrible act along with those who support it.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:58:00 -
[39]
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 15:01:32
Originally by: Spenz
Bush-hate syndrome has turned many people into monsters. Quite sad really. Its getting harder to find someone disgusted by the acts of terrorists (whoever they may be) simply because they dont like Bush or the US.
Here's a fact for you. Less than 3000 people were killed in the twin towers attack. The American response to this attack resulted in 70,000 deaths, many of them inncoent civilians. Still love your precious government?
Edit: deleted a line that could be considered flamebait.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:00:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/09/2006 15:02:35
Originally by: Spenz
Bush-hate syndrome has turned many people into monsters. Quite sad really. Its getting harder to find someone disgusted by the acts of terrorists (whoever they may be) simply because they dont like Bush or the US.
Be careful not to mix up people who are simply more concerned about bush with people who really don't understand what happened.
Originally by: Spenz
an act that was beyond anything previously seen before
Edit, better example:
Linkage
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Sparrling
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:01:00 -
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Personally I'm just annoyed I have to live with harder travelling rules because of an attack on a totally unrelated nation in a totally unrelated war.
Lives are lost. Sad that, both american and eurasian. Why on earth can't just ONE side say "Ok, you got the last blow. Let's just stop the fighting now."
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:05:00 -
[42]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 15:01:32
Originally by: Spenz
Bush-hate syndrome has turned many people into monsters. Quite sad really. Its getting harder to find someone disgusted by the acts of terrorists (whoever they may be) simply because they dont like Bush or the US.
Here's a fact for you. Less than 3000 people were killed in the twin towers attack. The American response to this attack resulted in 70,000 deaths, many of them inncoent civilians. Still love your precious government?
Edit: deleted a line that could be considered flamebait.
Actually it was over 4,000. and no there hasn't been 70,000 deaths in cause of it nor by the hand of the president you seem to hate so much. I love my government and for what we stand for. Pretty sure many other Americans can say they love their country. Some hate bush some don't. But like you many don't have a damn clue what men like him and other positions of government across the world go through or have to go through or the decisions they have to make to safe guard THEIR country or people.
Please take your American hatism somewhere else.
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Spike Larosse
Occassus Republica
Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:06:00 -
[43]
A sad day indeed, both in itself and considering the implicit consequences of it.
I'll never cease to be amazed by all the heroic efforts in the midst of this tragedy, and all the security personnel that gave their lives to save others. Words are just not enough.
However I feel I also need to send a thought to all the innocent people, civilians aswell as soldiers, that have died ever since, ironically in what has been labeled a war on terror, by the terrorists leading it. May it be in Iraq or Afghanistan, Madrid or London, and elswhere in the world.
Let's pod all those people with a too big desire to wield their power, and then all NAP eachother and live in peace. 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:09:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Actually it was over 4,000. and no there hasn't been 70,000 deaths in cause of it nor by the hand of the president you seem to hate so much. I love my government and for what we stand for. Pretty sure many other Americans can say they love their country. Some hate bush some don't. But like you many don't have a damn clue what men like him and other positions of government across the world go through or have to go through or the decisions they have to make to safe guard THEIR country or people.
Please take your American hatism somewhere else.
Are you really this clueless or are you just a very good troll? If you're a troll, congrats, you're the best I've seen, well, ever.
If, on the other hand, you think America attacking arbitrary countries is about sa***uarding its people, you've won the award for stupidest person, well, just stupidest person full stop really.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:13:00 -
[45]
This thread should really be deleted, nothing good can come out of it.
Really, what are people trying to achieve? This is the kind of discussion where you can't turn the other side, so what's the point in trying?
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:16:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 11/09/2006 15:01:32
Originally by: Spenz
Bush-hate syndrome has turned many people into monsters. Quite sad really. Its getting harder to find someone disgusted by the acts of terrorists (whoever they may be) simply because they dont like Bush or the US.
Here's a fact for you. Less than 3000 people were killed in the twin towers attack. The American response to this attack resulted in 70,000 deaths, many of them inncoent civilians. Still love your precious government?
Edit: deleted a line that could be considered flamebait.
Actually it was over 4,000. and no there hasn't been 70,000 deaths in cause of it nor by the hand of the president you seem to hate so much. I love my government and for what we stand for. Pretty sure many other Americans can say they love their country. Some hate bush some don't. But like you many don't have a damn clue what men like him and other positions of government across the world go through or have to go through or the decisions they have to make to safe guard THEIR country or people.
Please take your American hatism somewhere else.
I don't hate America. Nor do I bear any particular malice towards George Bush or his administration. It just makes my blood boil when people such as yourself get all holier-than-thou because I refuse to regard the twin towers attack as more than it was.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:17:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Sparrling
This thread should really be deleted, nothing good can come out of it.
Really, what are people trying to achieve? This is the kind of discussion where you can't turn the other side, so what's the point in trying?
I'm not trying to achieve anything, but not responding to someone spouting american propaganda on the forum is FTL.
IBTL
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:18:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Sparrling
This thread should really be deleted, nothing good can come out of it.
Really, what are people trying to achieve? This is the kind of discussion where you can't turn the other side, so what's the point in trying?
Yes, I agree. This has turned into a flame fest.
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Caldari
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Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:20:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Actually it was over 4,000. and no there hasn't been 70,000 deaths in cause of it nor by the hand of the president you seem to hate so much. I love my government and for what we stand for. Pretty sure many other Americans can say they love their country. Some hate bush some don't. But like you many don't have a damn clue what men like him and other positions of government across the world go through or have to go through or the decisions they have to make to safe guard THEIR country or people.
Please take your American hatism somewhere else.
Are you really this clueless or are you just a very good troll? If you're a troll, congrats, you're the best I've seen, well, ever.
If, on the other hand, you think America attacking arbitrary countries is about sa***uarding its people, you've won the award for stupidest person, well, just stupidest person full stop really.
If you are refering to Iraq then no, that is just unfinished business and a ploy to put political influence into that/this area of the world. I really don't care how or why it came about, the people here are relishing what freedom that they are being brought. I don't think it is related to what happened on 9-11 just an invoked fear mechanism of 'what ifs' scenarios that our government found excuses to knock out two birds with one stone. You sir are the one making yourself out into an idiot and I wish you would stop.
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Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:26:00 -
[50]
Alright, seriously, this has gone too far - both sides need to seriously STFU, and take their political arguments somewhere else besides the EVE-O boards. This thread needs to be a tribute to those people that were working that day like normal when planes slammed into their office tower and killed them, not on your views on the world.
Keep this thread about the people who died ffs, its the least we can do to them to remember what they went through.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:26:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
If you are refering to Iraq then no, that is just unfinished business and a ploy to put political influence into that/this area of the world. I really don't care how or why it came about, the people here are relishing what freedom that they are being brought. I don't think it is related to what happened on 9-11 just an invoked fear mechanism of 'what ifs' scenarios that our government found excuses to knock out two birds with one stone. You sir are the one making yourself out into an idiot and I wish you would stop.
Iraq was just another target in the 'war on terror' supposedly started due to 9/11, supposedly about stopping terrorism terror. While the 'liberation' of Iraq may or may not have been a good thing, you either support America going around attacking whoever they like, or you don't. You, apparently, do.
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Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:26:00 -
[52]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I don't hate America. Nor do I bear any particular malice towards George Bush or his administration. It just makes my blood boil when people such as yourself get all holier-than-thou because I refuse to regard the twin towers attack as more than it was.
The don't regard it at all and should have just kept it to yourself.
In these remarks and your actions, I get a picture of you being one of those few that would go to a woman's rally to speak about them being out of place or going to a burial for a soldier and carrying an anti war banner.
I am standing in the defense of my nation and this post for the rememberence of what that day meant for the entire world and not just my country. If the event didn't effect you or your life then great I am jealous because there are many upon many now that don't have that benefit. It isn't because of our president or other world leaders. It is becaues of the damn people who have nothing but hate in their heart (like you) that bear these problems onto a world or the people and expect them to just cow down and bend over in subjection. Like hell. If it is your fashion the do so, but it is not my peoples or other people of the world who will never give into terrorism.
This post started honestly and you and your buddy decided to come in spouting hate and other crap to derail the threads good intention in remembering a day that changed the world (maybe just not the area you live in). So no sir shame on you and your own audacity.
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:30:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Alright, seriously, this has gone too far - both sides need to seriously STFU, and take their political arguments somewhere else besides the EVE-O boards. This thread needs to be a tribute to those people that were working that day like normal when planes slammed into their office tower and killed them, not on your views on the world.
Keep this thread about the people who died ffs, its the least we can do to them to remember what they went through.
I totally agree with that dude, but I will not stand by and watch as these two fools mock and berate the event and try to downplay its importance to the United States and to the world. If they didn't like then they didn't have to read it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:30:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I don't hate America. Nor do I bear any particular malice towards George Bush or his administration. It just makes my blood boil when people such as yourself get all holier-than-thou because I refuse to regard the twin towers attack as more than it was.
The don't regard it at all and should have just kept it to yourself.
In these remarks and your actions, I get a picture of you being one of those few that would go to a woman's rally to speak about them being out of place or going to a burial for a soldier and carrying an anti war banner.
I am standing in the defense of my nation and this post for the rememberence of what that day meant for the entire world and not just my country. If the event didn't effect you or your life then great I am jealous because there are many upon many now that don't have that benefit. It isn't because of our president or other world leaders. It is becaues of the damn people who have nothing but hate in their heart (like you) that bear these problems onto a world or the people and expect them to just cow down and bend over in subjection. Like hell. If it is your fashion the do so, but it is not my peoples or other people of the world who will never give into terrorism.
This post started honestly and you and your buddy decided to come in spouting hate and other crap to derail the threads good intention in remembering a day that changed the world (maybe just not the area you live in). So no sir shame on you and your own audacity.
What this day meant for the world changed when it turned into an excuse for the most powerful country in the world to do what they like under the leadership of an imbecile.
The current war is America's doing, 9/11 was just a catalyst.
This post was never just a memorial.
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Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:32:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Alright, seriously, this has gone too far - both sides need to seriously STFU, and take their political arguments somewhere else besides the EVE-O boards. This thread needs to be a tribute to those people that were working that day like normal when planes slammed into their office tower and killed them, not on your views on the world.
Keep this thread about the people who died ffs, its the least we can do to them to remember what they went through.
I totally agree with that dude, but I will not stand by and watch as these two fools mock and berate the event and try to downplay its importance to the United States and to the world. If they didn't like then they didn't have to read it.
I am not mocking or berating the event.
I am also not downplaying it's importance. America declaring war on a certain part of the world is a lot more important though.
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Erotic Irony
Occassus Republica
Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:33:00 -
[56]
Crumple, do us all a favor and shoot the mods an email, [email protected], alerting them to this thread.
Don't mind Wimbishi, he's an American military drone IRL so it's not surprising he so clueless.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:34:00 -
[57]
Seriously though, this post should never have been made in the first place. At least not in the respect it was made. If I'm not mistaken this game's populace is primarily European, and it should be clear by now that most Europeans view the whole US thing with pretty critical eyes.
And there will always be persons with feelings for a subject who just can't keep it to themselves. It's called humanity 
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Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:39:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 11/09/2006 15:41:59
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Crumple, do us all a favor and shoot the mods an email, [email protected], alerting them to this thread.
Don't mind Wimbishi, he's an American military drone IRL so it's not surprising he so clueless.
My boots have more wit then both of you put together. I'm getting out very soon like in 5 1/2 months anyways. To much political crap in the military. I've had enough of it after 8 years of service and want to enjoy life with my new wife. Thats only to educate you since you are more clueless then me.
I hope he does so they can lock the thread. Everyone including myself have already railed off the thread from its purpose thanks going to ISS. this will be remembered in knowing the morality and caliber of people you two really are.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:40:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I don't hate America. Nor do I bear any particular malice towards George Bush or his administration. It just makes my blood boil when people such as yourself get all holier-than-thou because I refuse to regard the twin towers attack as more than it was.
The don't regard it at all and should have just kept it to yourself.
In these remarks and your actions, I get a picture of you being one of those few that would go to a woman's rally to speak about them being out of place or going to a burial for a soldier and carrying an anti war banner.
I am standing in the defense of my nation and this post for the rememberence of what that day meant for the entire world and not just my country. If the event didn't effect you or your life then great I am jealous because there are many upon many now that don't have that benefit. It isn't because of our president or other world leaders. It is becaues of the damn people who have nothing but hate in their heart (like you) that bear these problems onto a world or the people and expect them to just cow down and bend over in subjection. Like hell. If it is your fashion the do so, but it is not my peoples or other people of the world who will never give into terrorism.
This post started honestly and you and your buddy decided to come in spouting hate and other crap to derail the threads good intention in remembering a day that changed the world (maybe just not the area you live in). So no sir shame on you and your own audacity.
Never in my life have I seen such a twisted interpretation of my words. I hate to have to post again here, but this cannot go unanswered. I tried to put the whole thing into perspective with the rest of the world's woes and now you've basically labeled me a fascist freedom-hating pig.
You claim to be in the American armed forces. I seriously doubt anyone in that position could be so unprofessional as you.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:43:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Also those with hardly no damn heart and are nothing more then mouths with virtual balls, be nice for once and stop freaking trolling an honest thread. I highly doubt over four thousand people died from aids in the time of 5 mins...
How is the time frame relevant? A dead is a dead, whatever the way he died or his nationality. Each death is a tragedy, to be avoided if at all possible, but I don't want to start thinking as some deaths being worth "more" than others. I once saw on a forum, just before the irak war "Better 1000 irakis deads than one US soldier". That shocked me, and I don't want to start thinking the same way that that particular poster.
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
... and surely doublt that many people die from falling out of bed in all of England over a five year time frame. So please keep these stupid comments to yourselves. No one cares if you hate Bush or the United States people or what they stand for. I am pretty positive if multiple thousand people died on some historical country landmark prized in your country would you still be so damn cynic about it.
Afaik, the united states stand for liberty, democracy, things like that, that I approve wholeheartedly.
However, look at what Bush did: Get elected on a fraud in florida, start a war with a lie, patriot act, get re-elected with the biggest mud-slinging campaign the country ever saw, and now, admit the use of torture ans try to legalise it, with a law that "just happen" to retroactively give civilian officials legal imunity for any war crime inquiry that may be later launched by your congress. Not to mention his foreign policy giving a huge boost for the terrorist's recrutment teams. THAT doesn't seem to me the values the united states are supposed to stand for...
Besides, wasn't it one of your Founding Fathers that said "Those who give up liberty for security, deserve neither"? A lot of countries, espescially in europe, dealt with terrorism without changing their way of life. You should be able to, too.
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
These remarks are not only extremely disrepectful it is also spitting in the faces of all the military people and civilians dead or dying for the very cause for freedom the world over and from all countries to keep such #&^% from ever happening again and to keep your sorry butts safe and right to use your disrespecting mouths in the first place. Put things in perspective and for the sake of those that are trying to keep the terrorism in check, be more respectful.
Start applying your advice to yourself, and don't use that kind of language for anyone who (gasp) won't start wearing blinders just because it's "patriotic" to do so, ok?
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:44:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Alright, seriously, this has gone too far - both sides need to seriously STFU, and take their political arguments somewhere else besides the EVE-O boards. This thread needs to be a tribute to those people that were working that day like normal when planes slammed into their office tower and killed them, not on your views on the world.
Keep this thread about the people who died ffs, its the least we can do to them to remember what they went through.
I totally agree with that dude, but I will not stand by and watch as these two fools mock and berate the event and try to downplay its importance to the United States and to the world. If they didn't like then they didn't have to read it.
Part of America is supposed to be tolerance, mind you. Everyone here should keep that in mind and just show some self-restraint, on both sides of the subject.
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:46:00 -
[62]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Never in my life have I seen such a twisted interpretation of my words. I hate to have to post again here, but this cannot go unanswered. I tried to put the whole thing into perspective with the rest of the world's woes and now you've basically labeled me a fascist freedom-hating pig.
You claim to be in the American armed forces. I seriously doubt anyone in that position could be so unprofessional as you.
If it isn't positive or flowing with the thread then it has no place in it and if you was educated in it, you would know full damn well that what you and ole crumple was preaching about would start a huge fire. I came to the thread today looking to start an honest thread on the same subject but not just focused around my country but mainly about the sacrifices of many trying to make our world a safer place. It was then I caught what you and Crump'ed was barking off about and THAT boiled my blood. Quid pro quo dude.
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Lord Wimbishi
Caldari
Wolven Elite Guard
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:55:00 -
[63]
Take it in this light. If I punched you in the nose, wouldn't you get mad? If a I tried to calm you down and try to tell you its ok and a little later punched you in the nose again. Wouldn't you get a bit more ****ed. Wouldn't you at one point or another start fighting back? In the beginning after I punched you in the nose or after it got bloodied after two or three times, the reaction is the same. Think about that and how it reflects this event in history and about your comments on this thread. When will you say enough is enough to keep it from happening again. What would you do to keep it from happening again even though people don't want you to fight back, would you just continue standing there or eventually fight back. Think about it.
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Kuro Hayashi
Rogue Elements
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:57:00 -
[64]
If you are having trouble dealing with the tragedy of September 11, 2001, then call a hotline and talk to someone.
People who bring up such a tragedy on a computer game forum are looking for one thing: attention.
Such a post is just another way to capitalize on the sorrow of those that truly suffered that day. Seems to be a lot of that going around (watch CNN).
Lastly, the mere act of reminding someone of the events on Sept. 11 is in a way trivializing the event itself. Having to say "we will never forget" is also to say that one could forget the attacks, and thus begins the process of relegating the day to the pages of a history textbook.
Such rememberence is best left to the family room.
Oh and for the trolls, I am an American.
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Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:57:00 -
[65]
No use digging up memories of this painful event. People dying doesn't require a "tribute."
Life is for living.
Let the dead rest.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:57:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Never in my life have I seen such a twisted interpretation of my words. I hate to have to post again here, but this cannot go unanswered. I tried to put the whole thing into perspective with the rest of the world's woes and now you've basically labeled me a fascist freedom-hating pig.
You claim to be in the American armed forces. I seriously doubt anyone in that position could be so unprofessional as you.
If it isn't positive or flowing with the thread then it has no place in it and if you was educated in it, you would know full damn well that what you and ole crumple was preaching about would start a huge fire. I came to the thread today looking to start an honest thread on the same subject but not just focused around my country but mainly about the sacrifices of many trying to make our world a safer place. It was then I caught what you and Crump'ed was barking off about and THAT boiled my blood. Quid pro quo dude.
I was pretty sure I'd run into someone who'd disagree with me, but I honestly never thought I'd run into the likes of you. I thought people like you were an urban myth to make europeans dislike americans.
Making the world a safer place is what I'm all about; I do not feel safe with the biggest superpower in the world attacking arbitrary countries.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:59:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
My heart goes out to the familes of all involved with
the twin towers.
+ to those from Pentagon, American 77 and United 93 flights too.
Rest in Peace
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Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:02:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Kuro Hayashi
If you are having trouble dealing with the tragedy of September 11, 2001, then call a hotline and talk to someone.
People who bring up such a tragedy on a computer game forum are looking for one thing: attention.
Such a post is just another way to capitalize on the sorrow of those that truly suffered that day. Seems to be a lot of that going around (watch CNN).
Lastly, the mere act of reminding someone of the events on Sept. 11 is in a way trivializing the event itself. Having to say "we will never forget" is also to say that one could forget the attacks, and thus begins the process of relegating the day to the pages of a history textbook.
Such rememberence is best left to the family room.
Oh and for the trolls, I am an American.
/signed
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:03:00 -
[69]
Coming from someone who lives in NYC, works in Manhattan, and has been around Downtown/Battery Park/Financial District/WTC more times than I can count:
Today is another work day for most of us. We still go into the office, we still do our jobs, it's no different than other days - save for the media circus circling about like half starved vultures.
A lot of people here and elsewhere lost people close to them on that day, or as a direct result of it. It wouldn't do any harm to stop and reflect for a moment, *privately*, on how those events have changed the world. It doesn't require ceremonies, TV shows or silly Hollywood dramatizations. You've never met a New Yorker if you think it does. That's all the media's horn-blowing that you're seeing.
Please also remember that here in NYC, we weren't the only ones affected directly on 9-11-01. United Flight 93 went down in Shanksville, PA. Additionally, the people aboard American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon - that too was not here in NYC. (before you break out your tinfol hats and spout off theories about a second plane on the grassy knoll and maybe some UFO's doing damage to the Pentagon, please go read snopes: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm)
We'll get by just fine here in NYC. We appreciate all the sentiment, but really the average New Yorker wishes that the media would just bugger off and let us carry on. Al Qaeda made their political statement at the expense of a bunch of civilians. And it sparked a global sh*tstorm, like it or not. Bickering on a game forum will accomplish exactly nothing. Finding ways to resolve any issues and get our soldiers home and back out of harm's way once that is achieved is paramount.
And sure, Bush is well - less than ideal, and I'll keep my personal opinions out of here, as this isn't a political debate. But I challenge all of you who rant, rave, and flame each other to fully educate yourselves as to the events that lead up to 9-11, and why they did. You'll find the Clinton administration had no small part in ****ing off certain parties in the middle east, along with Bush Sr, Reagan, and yes even Carter. It's nothing new - go read your Chomsky for starters and find out why things are the way they are.
There are no 'innocent' governments, and criticizing one over another is an exercise in naivety. And so is assuming that a government is a proper indicator of the people it governs. Politicians have always been politicians - bickering over semantics means little. Let's work on the solution, not argue over the problem.
It's a sunny and beautiful 68* (F) here in NYC, can't bring myself to argue.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ozawi
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This is why I love New York and its people. You have americans, and you have New Yorkers.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:13:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ozawi
Coming from someone who lives in NYC, works in Manhattan, and has been around Downtown/Battery Park/Financial District/WTC more times than I can count:
Today is another work day for most of us. We still go into the office, we still do our jobs, it's no different than other days - save for the media circus circling about like half starved vultures.
A lot of people here and elsewhere lost people close to them on that day, or as a direct result of it. It wouldn't do any harm to stop and reflect for a moment, *privately*, on how those events have changed the world. It doesn't require ceremonies, TV shows or silly Hollywood dramatizations. You've never met a New Yorker if you think it does. That's all the media's horn-blowing that you're seeing.
Please also remember that here in NYC, we weren't the only ones affected directly on 9-11-01. United Flight 93 went down in Shanksville, PA. Additionally, the people aboard American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon - that too was not here in NYC. (before you break out your tinfol hats and spout off theories about a second plane on the grassy knoll and maybe some UFO's doing damage to the Pentagon, please go read snopes: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm)
We'll get by just fine here in NYC. We appreciate all the sentiment, but really the average New Yorker wishes that the media would just bugger off and let us carry on. Al Qaeda made their political statement at the expense of a bunch of civilians. And it sparked a global sh*tstorm, like it or not. Bickering on a game forum will accomplish exactly nothing. Finding ways to resolve any issues and get our soldiers home and back out of harm's way once that is achieved is paramount.
And sure, Bush is well - less than ideal, and I'll keep my personal opinions out of here, as this isn't a political debate. But I challenge all of you who rant, rave, and flame each other to fully educate yourselves as to the events that lead up to 9-11, and why they did. You'll find the Clinton administration had no small part in ****ing off certain parties in the middle east, along with Bush Sr, Reagan, and yes even Carter. It's nothing new - go read your Chomsky for starters and find out why things are the way they are.
There are no 'innocent' governments, and criticizing one over another is an exercise in naivety. And so is assuming that a government is a proper indicator of the people it governs. Politicians have always been politicians - bickering over semantics means little. Let's work on the solution, not argue over the problem.
It's a sunny and beautiful 68* (F) here in NYC, can't bring myself to argue.
Hear Hear
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sparrling
Originally by: Ozawi
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This is why I love New York and its people. You have americans, and you have New Yorkers.
NYC FTW TBH
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Michuh
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:15:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Johnny Twoshoe
Or are you completely and totally unpatriotic?
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:43:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
These remarks are not only extremely disrepectful it is also spitting in the faces of all the military people and civilians dead or dying for the very cause for freedom the world over and from all countries to keep such #&^% from ever happening again and to keep your sorry butts safe and right to use your disrespecting mouths in the first place. Put things in perspective and for the sake of those that are trying to keep the terrorism in check, be more respectful.
AMERRICAAAA! F**K YEAH! COMIN' IN TO SAVE THE MOTHERF**KIN' DAY YEEEEAH!
Anyway, are you serious? You do realize that this "War on terror" has had a completely opposite effect, right? Since it started, support in muslim nations for extremist Jihadists has been steadily rising, and has never been higher than it is right now.
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nahtoh
Caldari
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:49:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 11/09/2006 15:41:59
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Crumple, do us all a favor and shoot the mods an email, [email protected], alerting them to this thread.
Don't mind Wimbishi, he's an American military drone IRL so it's not surprising he so clueless.
My boots have more wit then both of you put together. I'm getting out very soon like in 5 1/2 months anyways. To much political crap in the military. I've had enough of it after 8 years of service and want to enjoy life with my new wife. Thats only to educate you since you are more clueless then me.
I hope he does so they can lock the thread. Everyone including myself have already railed off the thread from its purpose thanks going to ISS. this will be remembered in knowing the morality and caliber of people you two really are.
Oh please...one word for you NORAID...look it up.
From one well ****ed off Ex-mbr of the UK Armed Forces.
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spike Larosse
A sad day indeed, both in itself and considering the implicit consequences of it.
I'll never cease to be amazed by all the heroic efforts in the midst of this tragedy, and all the security personnel that gave their lives to save others. Words are just not enough.
However I feel I also need to send a thought to all the innocent people, civilians aswell as soldiers, that have died ever since, ironically in what has been labeled a war on terror, by the terrorists leading it. May it be in Iraq or Afghanistan, Madrid or London, and elswhere in the world.
Let's pod all those people with a too big desire to wield their power, and then all NAP eachother and live in peace.
agreed. One of the few proper posts in this ******* stupid political hatred thread.
- Lao
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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:41:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Alejandro Zapata on 11/09/2006 18:41:52
Allow those who wish to honor the dead do so, it is their right in this forum of relatively free speech. Those that wish to debate the merits of the military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq should take it elsewhere.
To any of you that lost loved ones five years ago today, my thoughts and prayers (if you wish them) go out to you, and I hope life eventually becomes easier and better without them.
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Rekless Revenge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:42:00 -
[78]
From a brit here in UK, 9-11 will be a day I'll never forget, my thoughts are to the victims and the families on this day.
The twin towers will remain symbolic to me that extremists will be wiped out one day and leaves me with the hope that normal peace loving people of this Earth no matter what creed, colour, race and religion will continue to prosper.
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Reck Desh
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:50:00 -
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always remembering
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nahtoh
Caldari
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:01:00 -
[80]
I feel for those that lost people...but do we have have it spread allover the news and everywhere else?
It Should be a time for private refection and rememberance. Not a media induced ripping open of wounds.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:58:00 -
[81]
What about the houndred of thousand of casualties due to the Us agressive actions in the 3rd world?
Hypocrisy ftl
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:01:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Don't mind Wimbishi, he's an American military drone IRL so it's not surprising he so clueless.
God you're so cool
Die in a fire.
I helped - Cortes
What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir
Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus
RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1
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Eshtir
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:35:00 -
[83]
This thread will get the lock after my post. The reason behind this decition is that it really has no place on a forum like this. We have players from around the globe and a topic like this will only stir up a heated discussion and new conspiracy theories. Theories that we dont need.
Simply, there are other forums on the internet to discuss politics and the happenings of 9/11.
I hope you all can accept this.
regards
-Eshtir
forum rules | [email protected]
Yulai, we have a problem!
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