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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:08:31 -
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Maybe people got bored of making threads/posts, only to be removed/snipped/locked due to lack of perception. Perhaps an Improved ocular filter might help.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
848
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:46:37 -
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War Kitten wrote:Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics.
lol That would be a nice thought. Actually people have left to go where they can actually discuss.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
848
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:50:45 -
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Xuixien wrote:No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.
You haven't noticed? That is not allowed.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
533
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Posted - 2014.12.29 22:57:02 -
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Well of course there are going to be less posts if you are only going to count the metric ones.
Add all the imperial, standard 'murican threads and it's another day at the office.
... wut?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 20:56:03 -
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The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class. |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
197
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:25:18 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication.
Back in my dayGäó we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years.
But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages.
And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena. I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign.
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
589
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:45:20 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign. You mean people do not use Usenet still?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6007
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:53:37 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication.
Back in my dayGäó we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years.
But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages.
And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena. I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign.
I would post more but my punch card reader only takes 77 characters per line.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6007
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:54:40 -
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Guttripper wrote:McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign. You mean people do not use Usenet still? *falls out of his rocking chair...
Watch your hip.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:26:19 -
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Lets see the most obvious problems,
1. This has been discussed but not fixed = locked thread, I personally find it interesting the answer in EvE to something being broken is just to ignore it and further discussion leads to locking. 2. Trolls just allowed to troll, comon EVERY thread has a troll in it, they don't even hide here, but someone being a condescending ******* is just permitted since we hate to offend anyone that ignores the broken stuff. 3. Can't really discuss moderation it will just lead to another locked thread = another rigged method. 4. This place is overall not very interesting as anything interesting is not allowed to be discussed.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5603
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Posted - 2015.01.05 01:01:37 -
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Some points everybody happily ignored:
1) You can't really count in the first "new forums" operating year. A TON of useful / famous threads were "ported over" from the old forums to the new ones. Typical examples: my charity and RL trading threads started on the old forums, I re-created them on the new forums in order to be able and continue posting in them. Other very typical example: most 3rd party websites and apps had their "official thread" ported over too. In example the Reverence library (but I could name dozens of apps / libraries) had its development + deployment + support thread on the old forums and it got ported over the new forums.
This factor alone had heavily impacted on the first year count. This count is often where the biggest activity drop may be seen. So I'd recalculate usage drop starting from the second year past new forums creation.
2) Whereas the old forums were "vibrant" as some say, they had a LOT of pure shiptoasting going on. The new moderation politics curbed both the "vibrant" and the "shiptoasting" posts.
3) Some of the most prolific "vibrant" posts creators quit in 2012-ish. People like Akita T had huge, quality posts count (she was top poster or close to) but then they quit. Many quit at the time of the "golden ammo and $1,000 pants" revolt. Others when CCP went ape-BEEP and announced some totally crazy initiatives like charging 3rd party apps and website developers. Which happen also to be some of the most creative, vibrant, passionate and prolific posters. Other posters would create immense feedback. Who may forget the "Gankageddon" threads and how they'd ripple in hundreds and hundreds threads on GD / C&P? That too is over.
So, I'd not draw a direct causation relation between moderation and less "vibrant" posting, but more between CCP policy changes and how they were felt by famous posters.
4) More frequent and less heavy changes EvE patches cause much less speculation before their release. The reduced scope also cause less zillions of irated posts about what went wrong, because the changes are just less and less powerful over time.
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Luca Lure
Obertura
35
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Posted - 2015.01.05 07:16:49 -
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There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.
Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1753
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Posted - 2015.01.05 08:21:30 -
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The data indicates that I was a positive influence on the old forum, and am a negative influence on the new forum.
I suspect the lack of signature images is the cause.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6012
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Posted - 2015.01.05 17:51:24 -
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Luca Lure wrote:There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.
Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.
Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"
It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5606
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:11:56 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Luca Lure wrote:There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.
Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.
Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?" It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem.
Pictures and, even more, videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message. New generations are more and more "visual". Look at where the social media and bookmark social media are going: pictures and videos. Due to the factors above, videos are some of the best way to get people to buy stuff, this is the ultimate reason why there's a slow drift towards using them. This is where technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made.
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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics CODE.
271
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:43:43 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Luca Lure wrote:There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.
Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.
Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?" It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem. Pictures and, even more, videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message. New generations are more and more "visual". Look at where the social media and bookmark social media are going: pictures and videos. Due to the factors above, videos are some of the best way to get people to buy stuff, this is the ultimate reason why there's a slow drift towards using them. This is where technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made.
If this is true bringing back sigs and images would help. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1769
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Posted - 2015.01.05 21:51:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself.
If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6014
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Posted - 2015.01.05 22:21:23 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.
Oh man. Nail, meet hammer.
When I have to endure videos for something I'm looking for, and the person in the video either can't complete a sentence or takes forever to finish it, it makes me wish a meteor would strike the earth and knock us all back to the stone age so I know the giggling waste of air on my screen gets eaten or used as a wine skin the following week.
Sure "new technology" and all that and I would like to think so, but I think it's more related to people being too lazy to read (if able to at all).
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Jurico Elemenohpe
Aliastra Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2015.01.06 00:38:11 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster. Oh man. Nail, meet hammer. When I have to endure videos for something I'm looking for, and the person in the video either can't complete a sentence or takes forever to finish it, it makes me wish a meteor would strike the earth and knock us all back to the stone age so I know the giggling waste of air on my screen gets eaten or used as a wine skin the following week. Sure "new technology" and all that and I would like to think so, but I think it's more related to people being too lazy to read (if able to at all). I have no problem with reading, I just prefer videos if I'm doing something else at the same time because I can hear what I want to while doing the other things. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5607
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:03:26 -
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Tear Jar wrote:ere technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made.
If this is true bringing back sigs and images would help.[/quote]
CCP loves vintage, slow, buggy, featureless forums. They convey the feeling of hard core game!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5607
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:04:43 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.
Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.
Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category!
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1771
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:43:29 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.
Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video.
Incredible!
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Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.01.06 04:58:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class. Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner.
CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that.
There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there.
The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6015
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Posted - 2015.01.06 07:21:25 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class. Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner. CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that. There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there. The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here.
Must..... resist......... aarrrrgh!
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
674
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Posted - 2015.01.06 07:57:03 -
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This is completely unsurprising.
Not sure what else I should write, everything that comes to my mind will be deleted anyway do to the source of this problem we should actually discuss but we are not supposed to...
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5609
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:10:32 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.
Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video. Incredible!
True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet. This changes all, really.
Also, the fact they bore you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same.
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
807
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:18:17 -
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Buck Futz wrote:
Wow. Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions?
If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere.
Or you are not just counting for other social platform having a wider reach than these forums which require a subscription to use. You know, like, Reddit, which was pointed just before your post. |
Paranoid Loyd
3403
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:22:27 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.
Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video. Incredible! True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet. This changes all, really. Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same. You are both way too intelligent to be having such an asinine conversation.
But do go on...
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2599
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:32:14 -
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Lol
Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai
Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15925
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:43:51 -
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The moderation policies on this forum are extremely effective
At encouraging people to post elsewhere.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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