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Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1173	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:35:19 - [1] - Quote I was somewhat curious about the utilization of these forums since 2011. Most people have had the vague sense that EVE-O forum usage is down. But I figured it would be more constructive to actually quantify it and did some homework. (NOTE: I chose 2011 because it represents an EVE-O 'changing of the guard', as the previous Community Manager, CCP Zymurgist, was laid off in late 2011 and replaced with CCP Falcon/ISDs in 2012.) Here is the results of my research, threadcounts rounded to the nearest 30, of various EVE-O subforums. Perhaps others will draw conclusions and propose constructive solutions, but I will refrain from doing so, as the the purpose of this post is merely to spread information and illustrate. General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.) 2011: 22,260 unique threads 2012: 13,470 threads 2013: 10,620 threads 2014: 7320 threads Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%) 2011: 4890 unique threads 2012: 3150 threads 2013: 2820 threads 2014: 1620 threads Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%) 2011: 2220 unique threads 2012: 1290 threads 2013: 1080 threads 2014: 780 threads CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%) 2011: 1410 unique threads 2012: 390 threads 2013: 270 threads 2014: 120 threads
Noriko Mai 1733	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:37:38 - [2] - Quote reddit...
Paranoid Loyd 3256	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:40:16 - [3] - Quote Unique threads is a flawed metric, not that I have one to offer that would not be flawed, just sayin' That being said, I agree usage is down, mostly because as Noriko mentioned there are other outlets that are not nearly as moderated. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 7069	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:44:16 - [4] - Quote Interesting. Loyd has a point, although with differences that significant I don't think flawed metrics could substantiate them. Thanks for sharing. Don't Mind Us - Isogen 5 (Now Recruiting) CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï Andrew Jester: "my posting brings all the bads to the yard, and they're like, I'm better than you"
Buck Futz New Order Logistics CODE. 235	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:46:10 - [5] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.) 2011: 22,260 unique threads 2012: 13,470 threads 2013: 10,620 threads 2014: 7320 threads Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%) 2011: 4890 unique threads 2012: 3150 threads 2013: 2820 threads 2014: 1620 threads Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%) 2011: 2220 unique threads 2012: 1290 threads 2013: 1080 threads 2014: 780 threads CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%) 2011: 1410 unique threads 2012: 390 threads 2013: 270 threads 2014: 120 threads Wow. Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions? If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 873	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:48:31 - [6] - Quote Some coincidence. The forums were down for me just minutes ago. Kind of wondering you didn't nominate me ShitPoster of the Year or something ... ^_^ Any how .... "CCP Zymurgist, was laid off in late 2011". aaahhhh ... Incarna ....... I always felt bad for him, for some reason ...
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18877	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:48:54 - [7] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.) 2011: 22,260 unique threads 2012: 13,470 threads 2013: 10,620 threads 2014: 7320 threads Quote: Unsuccessful at Everything Date of Birth: 2011-08-12 02:28 Connor MacLeod wrote: There can be only one. Proof of 'The Gathering' happening on the Forums. Where the immortal forum warriors battle to the last man standing in order to claim the prize. I hope its a pony. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 873	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:50:10 - [8] - Quote Merry Christmas, everyone. :)
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 7069	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:52:04 - [9] - Quote I don't think it's related to moderation tbh. In my opinion we really do get it pretty easy here, and there's probably other factors at play as to why community participation is lower. It's definitely thought provoking though. Don't Mind Us - Isogen 5 (Now Recruiting) CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï Andrew Jester: "my posting brings all the bads to the yard, and they're like, I'm better than you"
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 873	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:56:23 - [10] - Quote Buck Futz wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.) 2011: 22,260 unique threads 2012: 13,470 threads 2013: 10,620 threads 2014: 7320 threads Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%) 2011: 4890 unique threads 2012: 3150 threads 2013: 2820 threads 2014: 1620 threads Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%) 2011: 2220 unique threads 2012: 1290 threads 2013: 1080 threads 2014: 780 threads CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%) 2011: 1410 unique threads 2012: 390 threads 2013: 270 threads 2014: 120 threads Wow. Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions? If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere. Why don't you look at this from more sides than just one? I don't recall the forums back then at all, but why isn't it equally possible that the amount of shitposters was cut down significantly? Why wouldn't it be possible that less people simply posted on the forums for good reasons? When I started this game a few years ago, there constantly was at least one whinethread on the frontpage. It was always a carebear unable to deal with the game. There usually was more than one. Back then it was common to read complaints about the players and the game. This dropped significantly over the last years and thus reduced the amount of threads and posts, too. Nowadays we rarely see anyone whine. Compared to only two years back, people love this game enough to have no reason to post anymore. That's a pretty good thing. I'd rather guess it's you having an issue with CCP Falcon. ^_^
Paranoid Loyd 3256	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:59:04 - [11] - Quote Sol Project wrote: good reason Don't start this conversation again. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7179	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:00:45 - [12] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: reddit... There is a witch among us, good people. She has turned citizen Noriko into a frog. Gather dry wood, my brethren. I can feel a burning coming on. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 874	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:02:02 - [13] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sol Project wrote: good reason Don't start this conversation again. I have no idea ... but I wish I knew ... because obviously it's was worth to remember. Damn! What am I missing?
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5676	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:06:35 - [14] - Quote Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18881	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:09:38 - [15] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Noriko Mai wrote: reddit... There is a witch among us, good people. She has turned citizen Noriko into a frog. Gather dry wood, my brethren. I can feel a burning coming on. Mr Epeen Obligatory. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Hicksimus Volatile Instability Resonance. 496	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:12:16 - [16] - Quote We just had a lot more to complain about back then. Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Ashlar Maidstone Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:19:53 - [17] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: reddit... Yep, hit it right on the head there! and yes, showing these numbers and we know pretty much some of the reasons why usage is down as it is.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5942	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:22:15 - [18] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: I was somewhat curious about the utilization of these forums since 2011. Most people have had the vague sense that EVE-O forum usage is down. But I figured it would be more constructive to actually quantify it and did some homework. (NOTE: I chose 2011 because it represents an EVE-O 'changing of the guard', as the previous Community Manager, CCP Zymurgist, was laid off in late 2011 and replaced with CCP Falcon/ISDs in 2012.) Here is the results of my research, threadcounts rounded to the nearest 30, of various EVE-O subforums. Perhaps others will draw conclusions and propose constructive solutions, but I will refrain from doing so, as the the purpose of this post is merely to spread information and illustrate. General Discussion: (Usage Down 67%, between 2011 and 2014.) 2011: 22,260 unique threads 2012: 13,470 threads 2013: 10,620 threads 2014: 7320 threads Ships and Mods: (Usage Down, 67%) 2011: 4890 unique threads 2012: 3150 threads 2013: 2820 threads 2014: 1620 threads Crime and Punishment: (Usage Down, 65%) 2011: 2220 unique threads 2012: 1290 threads 2013: 1080 threads 2014: 780 threads CAOD: (Usage Down, 91%) 2011: 1410 unique threads 2012: 390 threads 2013: 270 threads 2014: 120 threads Ah yes this is what I have observed. At times I cannot get time to play for months but I can still pop into the forums and hence the forums were my only "source" for the games at such time. C&P forum used to really kick ass and you didn't have to be a pirate, ganker, or merc to enjoy them. You could learn how to survive in the game just from C&P alone. Now it's mainly merc advertisements - still legitimate usage but the "usual crowd" of good poasters you see less of these days; players like Zedrik Cayne and his exploits, Lady Spank's morose yet spot-on observations about PVP and good advice from Death of Virtue. General discussion: I remember a time when any thread would get "scrolled out" in hours. Meaning if it were not the hottest topic, it was not on page one. Period. Now you can see a thread at the middle of the page in the morning and come back at night and it's still there with the same post count. Even Intergalactic Summit (yes the RPers, the "nerds of the nerds") was more lively back then. It's plainly obvious that the game has been in a malaise. Lots of names I used to see, save for the die-hards, are gone. When they do pop in occasionally it's like a family reunion. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1175	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:25:58 - [19] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics. Not really. Duplicate threads still show up in this metric, as locked threads are still counted. I do agree, however, that Chribba probably has some data or tools available that would give a far more accurate count of forum activity than 'threads by year'. Posts per day, etc. Though I highly doubt 'efficient forum usage' or as Sol suggested earlier 'Eve is so damn good nobody posts anymore'.....explains the 65% collapse in forum participation in 3 years. Reddit could explain it, as moderation may have driven people to other resources not directly under corporate control. Another possible factor - 'new EVEGate forum' starting sometime in 2012, if I recall correctly. Their initial rollout, and hasty retreat to the old forum, somehow managed to make Obamacare's heathcare.gov look almost professional by comparison. Anecdotally, I visit and post far less, simply because I find EVE-O's content sanitized and uninteresting compared to 2007-2012. Hell, back then I would participate in forums even if I was taking an extended break from EVE. Not anymore! But thats just me and my crank opinion. These forum usage numbers, however, paint an ugly picture and it warrants looking into.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5679	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:30:51 - [20] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: War Kitten wrote: Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics. Not really. That was a joke son. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1179	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:42:08 - [21] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Ah yes this is what I have observed. At times I cannot get time to play for months but I can still pop into the forums and hence the forums were my only "source" for the games at such time. C&P forum used to really kick ass and you didn't have to be a pirate, ganker, or merc to enjoy them. You could learn how to survive in the game just from C&P alone. Now it's mainly merc advertisements - still legitimate usage but the "usual crowd" of good poasters you see less of these days; players like Zedrik Cayne and his exploits, Lady Spank's morose yet spot-on observations about PVP and good advice from Death of Virtue. General discussion: I remember a time when any thread would get "scrolled out" in hours. Meaning if it were not the hottest topic, it was not on page one. Period. Now you can see a thread at the middle of the page in the morning and come back at night and it's still there with the same post count. Even Intergalactic Summit (yes the RPers, the "nerds of the nerds") was more lively back then. It's plainly obvious that the game has been in a malaise. Lots of names I used to see, save for the die-hards, are gone. When they do pop in occasionally it's like a family reunion. Hey, HW! Nice to see you post. Was initially motivated by reading James 315's excellent blogpost on the current state of the forums. I highly suggest people read it. He painted a pretty desolate picture, but I wanted to put some numbers to it to fill in some of the gaps. As such, the point of the thread is to simply share that information. I have my own theories on the "Why's", and could propose some constructive remedies - however these remedies would likely not be well received by the only people whose opinions seem to matter on these forums these days - so I will not go any further on the topic. @Warkitten Haha. Totally missed that. Might need to have my trollDAR array adjusted.
Marsha Mallow 1802	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:51:12 - [22] - Quote You need to go back further than 2011 to get a clearer picture, or take into account how 2011 might be throwing the numbers out. The Eve forums were transferred across and gobbled everyones posts for months, causing people to either flounce off in disgust or post multiple threads complaining. It was also the height of Incarna with a ton of riot threads on GD. OOPE was split off from GD, and since then a couple of new subforums have been created (personally, I think there are too many). I think (?) Scrapheap died around April 2011 as well so a lot of people migrated back to Eve-O or across to Kugu when Failheap was reinstated and was quiet for the first few months. There was a complaint made about this a few weeks ago in relation to CAOD and the mods pointed out they rarely moderate that forum because there are hardly any topics posted. The drop in acttivity there started when alt posting was banned, which afaik predates the current community team. ISDs did also agree to use the rules applied to C&P (minimal moderation) to try boost activity in there. When you consider how many player run sites have matured since then, I'm not sure CAOD being quiet is really of concern. All of the player sites are moderated - the only difference between them and here is that they permaban people who post contentless drivel a lot faster. Maybe rather than moaning about ISDs it's worth considering implementing a downvote system like reddit to knock topics up and down. Surely it won't be abused in any way. Btw according to that minerbumping article loyalon was given an official warning for posting OOC on the IGS forums after his RPing Merry Christmas thread was moved - which is absolutely hilarious. Well done Ezwal GÖÑ Anyway, Sol Project wrote: Merry Christmas, everyone. :) DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
DaReaper Net 7 1564	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:57:41 - [23] - Quote I think using 2011 is a bit of an outliar. My son was born in 2011 so iw as hardly playing eve, but when I checked the forums I know they were blowing up due to the summer of rage. You are pretty much using the one year where there was most likely a TON on whine threads as yoru base. Where as I think if you removed 2011 and looked at 2010 your data would not have such a huge gap. But as stated, other means are in use to discuss eve. TMC, Fail-heap, twitter, FB, reddit, the list goes on and on. Also the forums are only used by a very small % of the player base, I think its something like 1-5%. So any losses in that 1-5% will be HUGE on the forms. Its not a good indication of anything except wondering why people are not posting. The reasons could be all over. But again, I think your data is majorly flawed with your choice to start in 2011. I'd like to see 2010 compared to 12, 13 and 14 OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 13701	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:44:34 - [24] - Quote Ok so here's what I can throw your way - http://eve-files.com/chribba/forumdata2014.html That's threads and posts for all subforums (bc I was lazy and didn't want to start sorting) from 2003 until right now. Note that my numbers will not be same as CCP's numbers for a few different reasons. 1. I may have missed both threads and posts from being indexed 2. I may have accidently indexed threads twice or even three times making duplicates, it happens, posts should be way less duplicates due to me actually checking for those 3. CCP moves threads to different subforums, I still treat them in the forum they were first indexed in - resulting in that CCP's number will have it in both forums, one for the thread and one for the "this thread was moved-post" 4. I have both threads and posts indexed that CCP has removed 5. Anything else that could render my numbers invalid lol Beyond that the numbers should be fairly close and similar to CCP's and fairly accurate representation I believe - but there will be odd stuff showing for sure. /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1182	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:47:54 - [25] - Quote While others are free to do their own homework, my own time is not unlimited, nor do I have the tools necessary for collecting more detailed metrics on forum usage. I picked 2011 because that was the last year CCP Zymurgist ran these forums. You are welcome to count every post if you like, of course. Of course, CCP could volunteer this information, but as it is likely not flattering I doubt they will. And CCP Diagoras is long gone anyway. Even if CCP did release this information going back to 2003, I do not think a positive trend would emerge over the last few years, nor are 2011-2007 really comparable due to extreme differences in enforcement of policy between the two periods. As for the summer of rage - well, not sure if that affected all subforums, and while it may have elevated posting for a time, i'm sure it would flatten out over the course of a calendar year. After all, forum drama wasn't exclusive to 2011. Ah, I can see Chribba posted as I type this. Interested to read his comment.......
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18901	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:55:24 - [26] - Quote EVE General Discussion Year / threads / posts 2003 10404 152671 2004 20602 294654 2005 16167 288824 2006 24949 474280 2007 25528 512397 2008 20554 444657 2009 14792 299454 2010 11846 239542 2011 27780 511625 2012 33262 520918 2013 13280 426078 2014 7206 335329 Now you see, the number of threads may be down, but the number of posts per thread is as high or higher than ever! *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7187	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:55:27 - [27] - Quote Chribba wrote: Ok so here's what I can throw your way - http://eve-files.com/chribba/forumdata2014.html That's threads and posts for all subforums (bc I was lazy and didn't want to start sorting) from 2003 until right now. Note that my numbers will not be same as CCP's numbers for a few different reasons. 1. I may have missed both threads and posts from being indexed 2. I may have accidently indexed threads twice or even three times making duplicates, it happens, posts should be way less duplicates due to me actually checking for those 3. CCP moves threads to different subforums, I still treat them in the forum they were first indexed in - resulting in that CCP's number will have it in both forums, one for the thread and one for the "this thread was moved-post" 4. I have both threads and posts indexed that CCP has removed 5. Anything else that could render my numbers invalid lol Beyond that the numbers should be fairly close and similar to CCP's and fairly accurate representation I believe - but there will be odd stuff showing for sure. /c If there's one guy you can always count on here in the EVE-O forums, it's Chribba. Thanks for the info, bro. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1182	Posted - 2014.12.24 21:06:59 - [28] - Quote Well, have some last minute Xmas shopping to do, so no time to really parse the information Chribba dropped here.... Thanks for that, BTW Chribba. Quite interesting. Snap assessement, seems to agree that there has been a massive forum contraction. Yes, posts per thread is up, threads are down - but overall posts are significantly down. A few things jumped out at me Features/Ideas subforum is up in the last two years - likely due to the recent practice of ship balancing DEV stickies going there. But generally, it seems quite bleak, across nearly all subforums. S&M has collapsed. Market is way down. CAOD, also imploded, though that may have been a good thing. OOPE, one of my former favorites, has also collapsed GD had a dip during 2009/2010, but overall posting numbers are down significantly. Will have to look over that table a bit more when I'm not being hurried out the door....
Haleuth The Conference Elite CODE. 12	Posted - 2014.12.24 21:18:27 - [29] - Quote It's all down to entertainment, once upon a time these forums were the funiest forums on the internet, lots of funny stories about someone getting scammed, blown up etc. Now it's full of whine, clothing and star image type threads from a bunch of whitless dullards. Hal
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5946	Posted - 2014.12.25 03:17:25 - [30] - Quote One thing I could add. The Live Events of 2010 might have spiked overall game interest. They pretty much came to an end in 2011 and Incursions became "canned" content. But 2010 was a very lively year with epic incidents. The Live Events were unplanned, never announced, and you never knew what was going to happen. CCP Dropbear is gone though, and he took his notes with him and the tools he used are too outdated for the present system as well. Those epic days are behind us. From the perspective of IGS (yes the nerd of nerd RPers) there was SYNE, FC0RD and A'J centered on the Sansha threat and incursions generally but since 2011 they have tapered off. The return if Hilen however has some resurgence in A'J since that was his project. Hilen Tukoss was a "NPC" run by an actor, but all of that came to an abrupt end one day. along with all that was the "Dropbear Era" of live events. Again, the staff and tools for that are also of a bygone age. I think the live events have more to do with "all around" interest in the game than any expansions or content. That would mean more involvement in the forums - for interaction with other players involved and the sharing of clues. Dealing with the Sansha live events was approached almost in the same manner of a military think tank. Losing ships and "not making ISK" because of live event? NOBODY who cared was bothered by that. Anybody who did care was like the stuffed shirt in the room talking about hangovers before the first round of drinks were served. People loved the live events, and without them, it's just min-maxers and someone else's idea of "emergent" or the term used as cover for some other agenda. Much of the game has fallen to mechanics that enable people whose idea of "playing the game" is to prevent others from playing it. For that most people will shrug and move on. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Serene Repose 1874	Posted - 2014.12.25 05:09:46 - [31] - Quote AR or OC...or both, huh? Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1832	Posted - 2014.12.25 05:13:48 - [32] - Quote One could almost wonder if Market is down and Ships & skills are down due to the size of coalitions & cartels growing dramatically and doctrinal fleets becoming vastly more wide spread, removing the need for individuals to try and figure it out for themselves or ask because their leadership has told them what to fly and what to train. And the markets are all controlled. After all, WH forum is growing in use, which indicates an area which isn't cartel controlled flourishing.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 95	Posted - 2014.12.25 12:01:43 - [33] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: WH forum is growing in use, which indicates an area which isn't cartel controlled flourishing. Would you like to purchase an item of Dinsdale approved apparel? CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. ~ planto meus dies punk ~ NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1563	Posted - 2014.12.25 12:18:41 - [34] - Quote So... what you're saying is... because of Falcon?
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 902	Posted - 2014.12.25 12:23:09 - [35] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: So... what you're saying is... because of Falcon? Please note how it's always the griefers who complain how the forums aren't fun anymore ... ... and how the tyrant CCP Falcon and ISDs ruined it for them.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 388	Posted - 2014.12.25 12:56:31 - [36] - Quote I like these forums and Erotica wants us to be nice to the CCPs and the ISDs. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 903	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:06:36 - [37] - Quote John E Normus wrote: I like these forums and Erotica wants us to be nice to the CCPs and the ISDs. waves at Ero Hiiii!!! Merry Christmas to you! I would have sent your alt a mail ... ... but nobody shares the information. :(
Gregor Parud 819	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:09:00 - [38] - Quote Happy players play the game, unhappy ones play the forums.
Arllette Clarity Incorporated Anoikis Ronin 951	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:17:20 - [39] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: After all, WH forum is growing in use, which indicates an area which isn't cartel controlled flourishing. We've got good people working on that. Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all."
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 588	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:45:19 - [40] - Quote Another speculation - after the Summer of Rage and CCP was apologetic with offers of listening to the player base from there on out, perhaps many players that used to post realized that all the times beforehand they were posting was probably for naught since CCP did their own thing anyway. Even today, there are threads where CCP states they are going to add this, alter that, or remove these and those while the players state ideas and reason why CCP should not. Yet CCP still goes ahead as planned...
Demolishar United Aggression 1031	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:55:43 - [41] - Quote Could you possibly do Character Bazaar, Sell Orders and Trades as well?
Emiko P'eng 121	Posted - 2014.12.25 14:30:07 - [42] - Quote Hehe! A lot of the drop will be due to technology and attitudes moving on! As a couple of youngsters have commented at work 'You still use forums, how old are you' Then as a nephew of my boss commented after setting up his uncle's new laptop 'As Facebook is for old people I set up an account for you so you can keep in touch with your old friends' to which my boss said he used email for that and his nephew was aghast that email still existed
Ursula Thrace Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 335	Posted - 2014.12.25 14:54:11 - [43] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: reddit... methinks Noriko is on to something. eve online original intro
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 908	Posted - 2014.12.25 14:56:19 - [44] - Quote Ursula Thrace wrote: Noriko Mai wrote: reddit... methinks Noriko is on to something. Reddit as a whole is a shithole full of idiots. It's mostly the griefers who whine about lack of "entertainment" and censorship here. 1+1=2.
Equinnox Dethahal Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 3	Posted - 2014.12.25 15:57:25 - [45] - Quote I would like to see side by side statistics for locked threads as well. Typically people use other means to post (3rd party) when the official forums become over moderated. Im curious if the decline in forum use coincides with an increase in locked threads. Not suggesting that no threads should be locked, but ive seen a lot of threads that might not be 100% "by the books" on forums rules but were good threads that spawned interesting discussions.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1186	Posted - 2014.12.25 16:57:08 - [46] - Quote So, took a little time and totaled up the post-counts from the table Chribba provided, excepting: -2003 -the 4 or 5 insignificant, short-lived EVE CCG forums. -Timecode Bazaar, which was massive in 2007-2009, but has largely been superceded by in-game PLEX usage. Total Posts, Forum-wide, %Change on year 2004: 1,172,604 2005: 1,238,543 (+5.3%) 2006: 1,783,132 (+30.5%) 2007: 2,125,331 (+16.1%) 2008: 2,031,028 (-4.6%) 2009: 2,019,159 (-0.6%) 2010: 1,628,577 (-24.0%) 2011: 1,856,649 (+12.3%) <---(CCP Zymurgist fired) 2012: 1,689,159 (-10.0%)<--- (CCP Falcon, ISDs, New Forums introduced) 2013: 1,554,399 (-8.7%) 2014: 1,223,452 (-27.1%) !!!! WTF? Or, if you prefer: Posts-per hour. 2004: 134 2005: 141 2006: 204 2007: 243 2008: 232 2009: 231 2010: 186 2011: 212 2012: 193 2013: 177 2014: 140 There can be no doubt - EVE-O usage is at its lowest point since 2005...and most of this collapse has occurred in the last two years, and it is way out of line with overall number of accounts. Theorycrafting reasons for failure is fun, but ultimately one must grapple with the results. Community management must be held accountable. CCP must accept that poor decisions were made and consider making personnel changes that will, hopefully, revive this community. Otherwise, doubtless, these negative trends will continue.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 914	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:08:52 - [47] - Quote And still there is no proof that it was a bad thing. No proof. I get that forum activity is low and I understand that people go somewhere else ... ... but your whole point is trying to make it look like all the stupid, griefing assholes you are prepresenting ... ... do have anything valueable to say. Just like you.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7774	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:14:44 - [48] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Theorycrafting reasons for failure is fun, but ultimately one must grapple with the results. Community management must be held accountable. CCP must accept that poor decisions were made and consider making personnel changes that will, hopefully, revive this community. Otherwise, doubtless, these negative trends will continue. LOL, there is no Community Management. CCP's current "Community Manager" is not even a full-time position and the present one works for both CCP and Riot simultaneously. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 915	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:29:35 - [49] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: CCP's current "Community Manager" is not even a full-time position and the present one works for both CCP and Riot simultaneously. What? Source?
Alejandro Rebenga 37	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:35:33 - [50] - Quote Posting in a stealth moderation discussion thread.. lol posts per hour... kinda like looting a Nestor bpc and saying 'omg my isk/hr is over 1B'
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1186	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:46:46 - [51] - Quote Alejandro Rebenga wrote: lol posts per hour... kinda like looting a Nestor bpc and saying 'omg my isk/hr is over 1B' Actually, no. Not like looting a Nestor BPC at all. Simply total posts per year, divided by 365, then divided by another 24. Humans don't like thinking in terms of large numbers over long periods of time, so posts/hr are more manageable to some. Your flawed example would be akin to selecting 2 or 3 hours of peak activity (say, immediately after a bad patch), and claiming it was representative of average activity over a longer period.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 917	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:55:30 - [52] - Quote Ignoring that posts/hr are of no value whatsoever. You can come up with irrelevant data that proves nothing all the time, but unless you somehow prove that it actually got worse ... ... you simply have nothing to say beyond your typical asshattery. Ignore me all you want ... it won't help you.
Gregor Parud 821	Posted - 2014.12.26 01:23:42 - [53] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Alejandro Rebenga wrote: lol posts per hour... kinda like looting a Nestor bpc and saying 'omg my isk/hr is over 1B' Actually, no. Not like looting a Nestor BPC at all. Simply total posts per year, divided by 365, then divided by another 24. Humans don't like thinking in terms of large numbers over long periods of time, so posts/hr are more manageable to some. Your flawed example would be akin to selecting 2 or 3 hours of peak activity (say, immediately after a bad patch), and claiming it was representative of average activity over a longer period. Less **** issues threads, less ** lag problems threads, less ** (perceived) favouritism threads, less ** BOB vs Goons threads, less **** "omg now that nano is gone the game sucks" threads, etc etc etc. Simply linking quality of the game, forums and whatnot to total post or post per hour is silly. There is zero correlation between quantity of posting and the quality of the game or how well it's doing activity wise.
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2014.12.26 01:35:58 - [54] - Quote -I think it might be Derude Sandstorm The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Badel Jramodarr New Eden Miners Millitia 210	Posted - 2014.12.26 05:08:31 - [55] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Was initially motivated by reading James 315's propoganda blogpost on the current state of the forums He painted a pretty desolate picture... ... could propose some constructive remedies FTFY You (& J315) have made a problem out of what you think the numbers mean. If this was a real scientific hypothosis you two would have been made a laughing stock. You want to propose remedies to a problem that doesn't exist. You sure you don't work for an advertising agency? That's their schtick. I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all ...I'm on a horse
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1186	Posted - 2014.12.26 05:45:53 - [56] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Less **** issues threads, less ** lag problems threads, less ** (perceived) favouritism threads, less ** BOB vs Goons threads, less **** "omg now that nano is gone the game sucks" threads, etc etc etc. Simply linking quality of the game, forums and whatnot to total post or post per hour is silly. There is zero correlation between quantity of posting and the quality of the game or how well it's doing activity wise. Less threads/posts of all kinds, actually. Far less. I see no evidence to suggest that 'only bad threads/posts' are gone and only good ones remain. Does that mean should forum participation drop another 25% - below even 2004 numbers - the forums are going to be better than ever? Only the most intelligent and well thought out threads will remain, such as those by one of Solstice Projects' alts? Kind of like a sci-fi 'Best of' album by the Eagles? Yeah, I didn't think so. Placing your fingers in your ears and pretending a problem doesn't exist won't make it go away, even if you don't like the messenger. One metric that could be considered - but I've no way of tabulating easily: Thread view totals. If these numbers have collapsed as well - it would indicate that the forums are failing on the readership end as well, and the silly arguments that 'only the bad posters are gone' could be completely discarded. Wait, no that wouldn't work. Sol and pals will conveniently argue that only 'the bad forum readers' have gone away as well, no doubt. "We didn't want those forum readers anyway." Am I right? Thread 'views' are clearly visible, collectable information - but I'm not going to sit and try to add them up. Perhaps Chribba has a tabulation of these numbers as well, or a CCP rep can chip in. Also, This thread isn't about the health of EVE itself. It appears the game itself is kind of in a slow, managed decline, with a subscription peak that occurred several years ago. Whats striking, as mentioned earlier, is the rapid collapse in forum participation relative to gradual subscription declines.
Sturmwolke 611	Posted - 2014.12.26 08:12:42 - [57] - Quote Emiko P'eng wrote: As a couple of youngsters have commented at work 'You still use forums, how old are you' Then as a nephew of my boss commented after setting up his uncle's new laptop 'As Facebook is for old people I set up an account for you so you can keep in touch with your old friends' to which my boss said he used email for that and his nephew was aghast that email still existed Nope. Tell them they've been brainwashed to overconsume information - most of which are meaningless drivel, background noise and pointless reading. The basis of communication is an exchange of ideas and there are various platforms for the different tasks. Tweets (or equivalents) are more suited for quick one liners or paragraph, emails are necessary when you have multiple ideas to convey/exchange (e.g. business use). Please tell your boss to send his nephew to a re-education camp to ponder his misplaced/short-sighted believe.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1836	Posted - 2014.12.26 08:18:30 - [58] - Quote So 2010 before the current community team saw the largest absolute fall in posts. And 2011 when the new community team was implemented actually saw a rise in posts. With a trend of 6 of the last 7 years of the forum posting falling. And you want to blame this on the CCP forum staff of the last two years? Hmmm, Can I have some of what you are smoking.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1189	Posted - 2014.12.26 09:11:30 - [59] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: So 2010 before the current community team saw the largest absolute fall in posts. And 2011 when the new community team was implemented actually saw a rise in posts. With a trend of 6 of the last 7 years of the forum posting falling. And you want to blame this on the CCP forum staff of the last two years? Hmmm, Can I have some of what you are smoking. Not quite. CCP Zymurgist was fired in late 2011, late October if I recall. A pretty significant portion of 2010's losses were clawed back that year, probably due to all the attention Incarna, monocles, and Space Barbies were getting. The current manager CCP Falcon/ISD regime started enforcing sometime in mid-2012, and were not present at any point in 2011. My impression is that CCP Navigator was covering during that period, but my dates could be off slightly. "Who was on watch" during early 2012 is debatable. However CCP Falcon was clearly 'Captain of the Ship', and put his stamp on these forums during the entirely of 2013 and 2014. The results - a drop in forum participation to the lowest since 2005.....are not debatable. One more year of this substandard performance - and we will be well below 2004 numbers - when EVE was less than a year old and had a far smaller subscription base. Its a scary thought, especially if you enjoyed the forums as I used to. Its hard to see how far they've fallen. I mean, if all the 'bad posters' are supposedly gone, driven off by mods, thats the theory right? Yet scroll down and witness the thread/post quality we are left with..... Doesn't seem so exclusive now, does it?
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1498	Posted - 2014.12.26 16:11:09 - [60] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: reddit... well many warned that if the over-moderation of the forums wod continue (back in 2011/12) , that the relevant conversations would simply migrate to a less restricted place. That is exactly what happened. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1201	Posted - 2014.12.28 11:36:58 - [61] - Quote I suppose its possible that this is exactly what CCP wants. After all most of the universities in this country have offloaded their email servers to google to save on hardware and maintenance costs. Perhaps CCP is trying to push EVE-related conversation to 3rd party locations in order to cut costs. Another year of this and they'll be almost back where they started - forums-wise. Except years ago we had signatures. EDIT: Still curious if any 'total thread view' metrics exist without forcing some poor sap to try to count several hundred pages worth manually....would do it myself, but my calculator hand would look like a ragged claw after adding up only one year's worth.
ArmyOfMe PILGRIMS Advent of Fate 402	Posted - 2014.12.28 15:52:19 - [62] - Quote I knew i wasnt posting as much as i used to, but never knew I had this big of a impact QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1973	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:09:11 - [63] - Quote Usage is down because the ISD is lockhappy and there's communities like reddit which are not as militantly policed. *Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
Commander Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1413	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:22:56 - [64] - Quote you know what stat I want to see? Number of corps with player corporation / alliance standings to other player corps / alliances over time. Then just who those entities are. The lack of flavor has killed something the game badly needs As for post numbers declining, doesn't the biggest controlling power have some police force that slam "bad posters"? Cheers for nothing once more guys - golf clap [u]*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums*[/u]
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3791	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:30:54 - [65] - Quote Removed a post discussing moderation. Keep it civil. Thanks. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1973	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:33:24 - [66] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a post discussing moderation. Keep it civil. Thanks. Thanks for precisely proving my point for me. BTW, I wasn't discussing forum moderation. I was discussing forum usage metrics. *Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1973	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:43:46 - [67] - Quote Keep proving my point by deleting my posts for a BS reason (I'm not discussing forum moderation) Basterlode. *Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3184	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:48:26 - [68] - Quote While I do think this to be an interesting thread, I would like to ask not to post here with direct attacks at CCP/ISD or discussions on specific moderation actions. As such, I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1973	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:55:50 - [69] - Quote No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. *Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3791	Posted - 2014.12.28 18:58:53 - [70] - Quote Xuixien wrote: No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1973	Posted - 2014.12.28 19:02:09 - [71] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Xuixien wrote: No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created. Yes it is, the advice being don't lock so many threads. The number of locked threads has gone down because the total number of threads has gone down....... ................................. Also now you're discussing forum moderation. Tsk tsk. *Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
Mashie Saldana Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno. 1471	Posted - 2014.12.28 19:19:52 - [72] - Quote Oh god Eve is dying. How to win EVE Shiny eveboard
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1974	Posted - 2014.12.28 19:24:45 - [73] - Quote My work here is done. -exits stage left- *Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
Ammzi Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1881	Posted - 2014.12.28 19:47:51 - [74] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Reddit could explain it, as moderation may have driven people to other resources not directly under corporate control. Another possible factor - 'new EVEGate forum' starting sometime in 2012, if I recall correctly. Their initial rollout, and hasty retreat to the old forum, Snip Please refrain from discussing real life politics. ISD Ezwal. Ah... the F "you" CKING irony.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 842	Posted - 2014.12.28 19:59:13 - [75] - Quote on the plus side we don't have 2-3 new how do I fit CNR threads every day I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3185	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:23:28 - [76] - Quote Ok people, calm down please. As the discussion stands, it is a chicken/.egg dilemma. Is the thread count down because of moderation? Or is it down despite moderation? As there are no straight answers to those questions, only opinions, the only thing I can say is that we do our utmost best to keep this forum as healthy as possible. Most of the time to the satisfaction of the majority of the forum posters and the people we work for at CCP. Just let me be very clear, the policy on how we handle the forum stands as it is now. However, if and when we make mistakes we also do our utmost best to rectify them. As I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future. There also are plenty threads we do not lock, although we very much could with the rules in hand. Like this one... ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1980	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:34:20 - [77] - Quote In a free society, moderators are accountable for their actions. In New Eden, you can't even discuss moderation. The man is keeping you down. $%& THE SYSTEM!!! Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist*
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 52469	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:36:30 - [78] - Quote Oh my god, just checked my Evesearch-profile and I guess I know the reason now: 2004: 1,172,604 2005: 1,238,543 (+5.3%) 2006: 1,783,132 (+30.5%) 2007: 2,125,331 (+16.1%) 2008: 2,031,028 (-4.6%) 2009: 2,019,159 (-0.6%) 2010: 1,628,577 (-24.0%) 2011: 1,856,649 (+12.3%) <---(Zimmy Zeta starts shitposting) 2012: 1,689,159 (-10.0%) 2013: 1,554,399 (-8.7%)<----(Zimmy Zeta unsubs for almost one year) 2014: 1,223,452 (-27.1%) <----(Zimmy Zeta resubs) Sorry, guys I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 1381	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:57:39 - [79] - Quote Adding my very own opinion as I still have 3k clicks to do to create my deep safespot, and finding this thread quite entertaining, from my total outsider to the "inner circle" posting I have seen over the years, the only glaring bump I have seen in the forums Is MUCH less "Alien Language" posting/posters here. I still remember when browsing the forums that I hated the annoying circlecongratulatory slap in the back most threads eventually became and then on top of that People discussing the merits/flaws of X system/alliance/corp and how Y Ceo/FC/Roamer/Group "sucked"/"won" to levels of absolute mindnumbing drivel that any outsider (which I honestly am as I enjoy the game for many things except that) find totally undecipherable, alienating and reflective of People in lost towns discussing local elections and the merits flaws of the Mc Samathrupis versus the MaccMoneghelians and how their great grandfather used to date Lady Chelomeres of the Map ap Ughana Clan in the Village 3 days to the west, the one that had the small farmlet of the Vann Thorestelis, the ones that used to sell the weird smelling sheepskins and how the chieftains of the Pamawanti Tribe was so bad he led the Pamawanti and kin, the Otolom+¬ to extinction and then guess what, the Otolom+¬s intermarried the Samathrupis but the MaccMongeghelians have Okowuari Blood, their ancient enemies and some still say they hold a grudge.... Ugh. These days when I go to outside sources I still see the same confined circle of self-congratulatory posting i find so obtuse, and funny when I see people tracing their "lineage" and "merits". It really makes me happy that is so hardly seen these days here to be honest. People practically speak eve-creoles and patois only a very specific portion of the userbase understands, then on top of that cry foul to "tourists" for not understanding how to eat blue glazed doughnuts. If anything, what I see is the total crystallization of these outsider groups as their own weight has fallen off the main crust and migrating elsewhere. The Forums are different now, whatever metrics are used to define points as to WHY are in the end "assumptions", backing them on whatever metrics you can find out only makes them that still. What I now theorize, since in the end that-¦s all we can do here is that further trimming of the forums shows the user-base has changed (which is gooooooooood) and the old guard is now Talking their Eve Patois elsewhere. I also find highly interesting the reference to forums being an "old" form of communication to most youngsters, it could imply a lot of things. Interesting changes for EVE ahead if what I believe will happen is true, and that is simply we are slowly gaining YOUNGER converts, fresher minds, unpolluted, that will make the game veer differently in the years to come, a change I actually welcome to be honest. Minds that are ore focused on micro blogging , that from my very 2 cents worth of an opinion is the real game changer here. People complaining are just slower to adapt in this theory I am formulating Forums by their very nature are too old, an older form of communication that is not instantaneous enough. The question here to OP should be , if you perceive a problem in the virtual realm, perhaps its you not adapting faster enough to it? (using my theory that we simply have different people, not a straw man of any sorts haha, need to clarify that, and giving you an alternative to your conundrum) Moments like these is when i wish I could work in this field of research, so many questions As usual , a simple mind morsel for me, much love to OP/ISD/Players, not trolling nor attacking, just my habit of trying to deepen a topic in different venues. Cheers! o/ Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 257	Posted - 2014.12.28 20:58:35 - [80] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: I suppose its possible that this is exactly what CCP wants. After all most of the universities in this country have offloaded their email servers to google to save on hardware and maintenance costs. Perhaps CCP is trying to push EVE-related conversation to 3rd party locations in order to cut costs. Another year of this and they'll be almost back where they started - forums-wise. Except years ago we had signatures. EDIT: Still curious if any 'total thread view' metrics exist without forcing some poor sap to try to count several hundred pages worth manually....would do it myself, but my calculator hand would look like a ragged claw after adding up only one year's worth. It's possible, but most game companies prefer to have people on a format they can control. If the player base is raging on the forums, dev responses get a special tag with high visibility. On Reddit dev responses can get downvoted and hidden.
ArmyOfMe PILGRIMS Advent of Fate 403	Posted - 2014.12.28 22:53:45 - [81] - Quote Just gonna say that ISD Ezwal is my Hero =) QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 2196	Posted - 2014.12.28 23:17:21 - [82] - Quote Interesting numbers, always love them Cause and effect is tenuous at best when dealing with statistics http://twentytwowords.com/funny-graphs-show-correlation-between-completely-unrelated-stats-9-pictures/ so I won't even get into those (although I am suspicious of ZZ) The ideas are still out there, still coming in. The threadnaugts still ride at dawn and consume the masses. Nah, not dead, just resting. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1686	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:09:48 - [83] - Quote Part of this would be the fact that this is an old game. Virtually every question has been answered somewhere on the forum already and, despite Help Channel queries indicating the contrary, Google does exist. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1092	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:16:20 - [84] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Xuixien wrote: No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created. Numerically or by percentage? You see math is a *****, you may lock less threads but if there are less threads to lock then the percentage has gone up. But thanks to the OP my previous statement is now fact, EvE ,may not be dying but GD sure is. :) This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 1385	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:19:09 - [85] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Interesting numbers, always love them Cause and effect is tenuous at best when dealing with statistics http://twentytwowords.com/funny-graphs-show-correlation-between-completely-unrelated-stats-9-pictures/ so I won't even get into those (although I am suspicious of ZZ) The ideas are still out there, still coming in. The threadnaugts still ride at dawn and consume the masses. Nah, not dead, just resting. m That actually made me laugh a TON :D +1 Here, made this for you Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1092	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:23:55 - [86] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Ok people, calm down please. As the discussion stands, it is a chicken/egg dilemma. Is the thread count down because of moderation? Or is it down despite moderation? As there are no straight answers to those questions, only opinions, the only thing I can say is that we do our utmost best to keep this forum as healthy as possible. Most of the time to the satisfaction of the majority of the forum posters and the people we work for at CCP. Just let me be very clear, the policy on how we handle the forum stands as it is now. However, if and when we make mistakes we also do our utmost best to rectify them. As I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future. Edit: I removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. Healthy or alive? There is a big difference. I do not see the forums coming back to life. I do not see thread "pruning" in any way increasing or bettering the conversation. Look through the current threads, do you see much of them being constructive? But then look at all the threads that have been pruned because they have been deemed non-constructive. There is such a thing as constructive criticism.1 What is going on in the forums now is more akin to keeping the patient on life support to milk the insurance company rather than administer the antidote. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1092	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:32:25 - [87] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Ignoring that posts/hr are of no value whatsoever. You can come up with irrelevant data that proves nothing all the time, but unless you somehow prove that it actually got worse ... ... you simply have nothing to say beyond your typical asshattery. Ignore me all you want ... it won't help you. And yet posts like this go without moderation. ISD...something about personal attacks.... Sooner or later there will be harsh realities to be faced. At some point CCP will need to make decisions based upon survival or die the coolest kid in town that no one cared about. They have spent like drunken sailors on abject failures and their product shows it. And not all the fanboi love in the world will save EvE, so check into reality people and start being part of the solution and not the problem. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11030	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:36:05 - [88] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Sooner or later there will be harsh realities to be faced. At some point CCP will need to make decisions based upon survival or die the coolest kid in town that no one cared about. They have spent like drunken sailors on abject failures and their product shows it. And not all the fanboi love in the world will save EvE, so check into reality people and start being part of the solution and not the problem. Although I am sure I will regret asking, what is the point of this off topic ranting? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Jurico Elemenohpe 14th Legion The Bloc 48	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:40:28 - [89] - Quote Is ISD question if forums are dying because less shiptoasters or because they all hate the ISD?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5969	Posted - 2014.12.29 05:51:48 - [90] - Quote Changes in technology might also be a factor. Look at Disqus for example. Funny thing is that the structure of a Disqus article/thread is closer to that of threads from the late 1990s, meaning we have gone full circle. It's just a little more modernized and dynamic. Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication. Back in my dayGäó we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years. But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages. And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena. Not sure I can say if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Just a thing. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Neckbeard Nolyfe Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2014.12.29 18:08:31 - [91] - Quote Maybe people got bored of making threads/posts, only to be removed/snipped/locked due to lack of perception. Perhaps an Improved ocular filter might help. *~lvl 60 paladin~*
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 848	Posted - 2014.12.29 21:46:37 - [92] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics. lol That would be a nice thought. Actually people have left to go where they can actually discuss. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 848	Posted - 2014.12.29 21:50:45 - [93] - Quote Xuixien wrote: No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. You haven't noticed? That is not allowed. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 533	Posted - 2014.12.29 22:57:02 - [94] - Quote Well of course there are going to be less posts if you are only going to count the metric ones. Add all the imperial, standard 'murican threads and it's another day at the office. ... wut? R.I.P. Vile Rat
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 20:56:03 - [95] - Quote The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 197	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:25:18 - [96] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication. Back in my dayGäó we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years. But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages. And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena. I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 589	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:45:20 - [97] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign. You mean people do not use Usenet still? *falls out of his rocking chair...
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6007	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:53:37 - [98] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication. Back in my dayGäó we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years. But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages. And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena. I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign. I would post more but my punch card reader only takes 77 characters per line. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6007	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:54:40 - [99] - Quote Guttripper wrote: McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? ) but public forums aren't at all foreign. You mean people do not use Usenet still? *falls out of his rocking chair... Watch your hip. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sugar Smacks State War Academy Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.01.04 23:26:19 - [100] - Quote Lets see the most obvious problems, 1. This has been discussed but not fixed = locked thread, I personally find it interesting the answer in EvE to something being broken is just to ignore it and further discussion leads to locking. 2. Trolls just allowed to troll, comon EVERY thread has a troll in it, they don't even hide here, but someone being a condescending ******* is just permitted since we hate to offend anyone that ignores the broken stuff. 3. Can't really discuss moderation it will just lead to another locked thread = another rigged method. 4. This place is overall not very interesting as anything interesting is not allowed to be discussed. Now make sure you say sandbox over and over.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5603	Posted - 2015.01.05 01:01:37 - [101] - Quote Some points everybody happily ignored: 1) You can't really count in the first "new forums" operating year. A TON of useful / famous threads were "ported over" from the old forums to the new ones. Typical examples: my charity and RL trading threads started on the old forums, I re-created them on the new forums in order to be able and continue posting in them. Other very typical example: most 3rd party websites and apps had their "official thread" ported over too. In example the Reverence library (but I could name dozens of apps / libraries) had its development + deployment + support thread on the old forums and it got ported over the new forums. This factor alone had heavily impacted on the first year count. This count is often where the biggest activity drop may be seen. So I'd recalculate usage drop starting from the second year past new forums creation. 2) Whereas the old forums were "vibrant" as some say, they had a LOT of pure shiptoasting going on. The new moderation politics curbed both the "vibrant" and the "shiptoasting" posts. 3) Some of the most prolific "vibrant" posts creators quit in 2012-ish. People like Akita T had huge, quality posts count (she was top poster or close to) but then they quit. Many quit at the time of the "golden ammo and $1,000 pants" revolt. Others when CCP went ape-BEEP and announced some totally crazy initiatives like charging 3rd party apps and website developers. Which happen also to be some of the most creative, vibrant, passionate and prolific posters. Other posters would create immense feedback. Who may forget the "Gankageddon" threads and how they'd ripple in hundreds and hundreds threads on GD / C&P? That too is over. So, I'd not draw a direct causation relation between moderation and less "vibrant" posting, but more between CCP policy changes and how they were felt by famous posters. 4) More frequent and less heavy changes EvE patches cause much less speculation before their release. The reduced scope also cause less zillions of irated posts about what went wrong, because the changes are just less and less powerful over time. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Luca Lure Obertura 35	Posted - 2015.01.05 07:16:49 - [102] - Quote There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject. Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find. GÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇòGÇò The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1753	Posted - 2015.01.05 08:21:30 - [103] - Quote The data indicates that I was a positive influence on the old forum, and am a negative influence on the new forum. I suspect the lack of signature images is the cause. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6012	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:51:24 - [104] - Quote Luca Lure wrote: There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject. Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find. Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5606	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:11:56 - [105] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Luca Lure wrote: There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject. Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find. Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem. Pictures and, even more, videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message. New generations are more and more "visual". Look at where the social media and bookmark social media are going: pictures and videos. Due to the factors above, videos are some of the best way to get people to buy stuff, this is the ultimate reason why there's a slow drift towards using them. This is where technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 271	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:43:43 - [106] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Luca Lure wrote: There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject. Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find. Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem. Pictures and, even more, videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message. New generations are more and more "visual". Look at where the social media and bookmark social media are going: pictures and videos. Due to the factors above, videos are some of the best way to get people to buy stuff, this is the ultimate reason why there's a slow drift towards using them. This is where technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made. If this is true bringing back sigs and images would help.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1769	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:51:38 - [107] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6014	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:21:23 - [108] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster. Oh man. Nail, meet hammer. When I have to endure videos for something I'm looking for, and the person in the video either can't complete a sentence or takes forever to finish it, it makes me wish a meteor would strike the earth and knock us all back to the stone age so I know the giggling waste of air on my screen gets eaten or used as a wine skin the following week. Sure "new technology" and all that and I would like to think so, but I think it's more related to people being too lazy to read (if able to at all). Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jurico Elemenohpe Aliastra Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:38:11 - [109] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster. Oh man. Nail, meet hammer. When I have to endure videos for something I'm looking for, and the person in the video either can't complete a sentence or takes forever to finish it, it makes me wish a meteor would strike the earth and knock us all back to the stone age so I know the giggling waste of air on my screen gets eaten or used as a wine skin the following week. Sure "new technology" and all that and I would like to think so, but I think it's more related to people being too lazy to read (if able to at all). I have no problem with reading, I just prefer videos if I'm doing something else at the same time because I can hear what I want to while doing the other things.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5607	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:03:26 - [110] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: ere technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made. If this is true bringing back sigs and images would help.[/quote] CCP loves vintage, slow, buggy, featureless forums. They convey the feeling of hard core game! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5607	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:04:43 - [111] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody fking read any more? Does everything have to be a fking video now?" +1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself. If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster. Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet. Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1771	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:43:29 - [112] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet. Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video. Incredible! Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.01.06 04:58:39 - [113] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class. Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner. CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that. There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there. The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6015	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:21:25 - [114] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class. Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner. CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that. There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there. The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here. Must..... resist......... aarrrrgh! Dude, your face! Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 674	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:57:03 - [115] - Quote This is completely unsurprising. Not sure what else I should write, everything that comes to my mind will be deleted anyway do to the source of this problem we should actually discuss but we are not supposed to... the Code ALWAYS wins
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5609	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:10:32 - [116] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet. Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video. Incredible! True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet. This changes all, really. Also, the fact they bore you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 807	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:18:17 - [117] - Quote Buck Futz wrote: Wow. Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions? If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere. Or you are not just counting for other social platform having a wider reach than these forums which require a subscription to use. You know, like, Reddit, which was pointed just before your post.
Paranoid Loyd 3403	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:22:27 - [118] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet. Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category! You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video. Incredible! True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet. This changes all, really. Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same. You are both way too intelligent to be having such an asinine conversation. But do go on... "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2599	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:32:14 - [119] - Quote Lol Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15925	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:43:51 - [120] - Quote The moderation policies on this forum are extremely effective At encouraging people to post elsewhere. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1774	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:15:58 - [121] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet. This changes all, really. Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same. As I said, the quality of a video is irrelevant to the point. Also, I never said the videos bore me or incude any other emotions, except insofar as videos are videos and as such are less useful than text. The content is largely irrelevant. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5611	Posted - 2015.01.06 14:08:04 - [122] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet. This changes all, really. Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same. As I said, the quality of a video is irrelevant to the point. Also, I never said the videos bore me or incude any other emotions, except insofar as videos are videos and as such are less useful than text. The content is largely irrelevant. They do not care to be relevant, but to sell stuff or to farm "impressions" or "clicks" or whatever triggers income. After all, most (including very popular) web sites manage to get "conversions" just by slapping some dumb and annoying "CTA" (call to action) popups asking for your email and whatever. Not for a single second any of them cared you got good content. They cared you statistically, somehow made them money. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1784	Posted - 2015.01.06 14:32:13 - [123] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They do not care to be relevant, but to sell stuff or to farm "impressions" or "clicks" or whatever triggers income. After all, most (including very popular) web sites manage to get "conversions" just by slapping some dumb and annoying "CTA" (call to action) popups asking for your email and whatever. Not for a single second any of them cared you got good content. They cared you statistically, somehow made them money. Not everyone makes money off videos they put on the internet. And it is possible to simultaneously care about the quality of the content and making money. You suddenly sound more bitter about internet videos than I do. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5611	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:01:11 - [124] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Not everyone makes money off videos they put on the internet. And it is possible to simultaneously care about the quality of the content and making money. You suddenly sound more bitter about internet videos than I do. Well, RL is a lot like EvE. If they can get the maximum reward by delivering the most time-saving video, they do that. Quality is for the upper echelon of viewers who may appreciate good stuff. As for being bitter about videos... well... it's more than that. There's been a lot of "monetization" of everything that may reward some coins. Despite Google's efforts, a well made SEO + marketing campaign SHALL defeat quality content, relegated to the 3rd page. Most content producers are not big corps. They create interesting articles, spread good knowledge... all of this gets beaten to pulp by some dude knowing how to implement micro-data, sprite-ize, knows about keywords ranking and how to boost it... Basically a lot (I don't say all, but a lot) of good content gets created by guys dedicated and specialized in a certain sector. On the other side, we get guys specialized in web marketing and not in quality topics, ready to push mediocre and hastily-made "filler" in an efficient way, pushing the good stuff down. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Shizuken Venerated Stars 347	Posted - 2015.01.07 05:31:19 - [125] - Quote I saw lots of posts where people are giving reasons such as a lack of CCP interest, harsh moderation policies, alternate forums, and satisfied players. However, I didn't see anyone mention what has been quite obvious to me for sometime, the unwelcoming and hostile attitude of several "usual suspects" on this forum toward those with differing viewpoints. You know who they are. The ones whose faces you see all over nearly every post in General Discussion with active hostility towards new players or anyone suggesting any changes to curb the antisocial and deserved reputation that EvE has amongst MMO players. Look how many people defended the deplorable actions of Erotica1 for hundreds of pages when that all went down. People often get harassed for "forum alts". Is it any wonder? Speaking one's mind here or sharing information on your activities will likely lead to targeted scamming, awoxxing, wardecs, or in game harassment. Why would you share info on how much money you have, where it comes from, or where you operate? It will just make you a target. Why discuss the meta game if all it will do is draw the same sarcastic responses and "go back to wow noob, maybe this game isn't for you" comments? I can't tell you how many times I have seen a player suggest an idea that is new to them only to be assaulted with "OMG you are such an idiot!" replies. On other forums newer players, and those not up to antisocial play styles, are not treated with anywhere near the level of scorn or hostility which befalls them here. The added level of anonymity also affords some shield against in-game aggression. That is why people don't come here.
Justice Zeta Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2015.01.07 10:03:14 - [126] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class. Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner. CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that. There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there. The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here. Fully agree with this.

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