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Flaming sambuka
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rekless Revenge
Originally by: Flaming sambuka Have fun debunking that, want more?
See my previous message, the one with the fixed link 
Your link does not debunk anything? did you even read it yourself?
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Thanh
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:15:00 -
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This video will clearly show a series of very loud explosions immediately preceeding the collapse of the towers. They sound like explosives going off. Its worth seeing, rather, hearing. You dont really hear it in any clips they show on the news. BTW the media are controlled by something called the council on foreign relations....ALL THE MEDIA...so you are only getting the story they want you to get.
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Goliath Scorpion
The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Goliath Scorpion on 11/09/2006 20:19:28 While I do find a lot of conspiracy theories far fetched, I do think those that completely shrug it off with tin foil hat jokes are being naive.
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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar PAK
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:18:00 -
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I am going to hit the first couple, as much of what you have listed has already had counter evidence thrown against it.
Originally by: Flaming sambuka 1. steel melts at 2600 degrees Celcius, the hottest the fire in the world trade centers could have reached was 800 degrees Celcius, and for an amount of time shorter than ten minutes.
Construction steel melts at 1535 degrees Celcius. Since you seem to have your measuring systems messed up I will just refer you to this page: Molten Steel Myth
Originally by: Flaming sambuka 2. the arab "hijackers" were deemed unable to fly a single engine plane by their instructor, and the planes on 9/11 were flown with military precision
I find it entertaining that you would make this claim. Atta and Shehhi began training to fly large commercial jets in mid-December 2000. More evidence against you claim below: Airplane!
Though I do find this fun, I tire of your ignorance. The site I cite (haha) has counters to every single one of your arguments. The authors provide something that you and your brother spRAYed just can't. Its an eight letter word, a bad word to your ears perhaps. Its called EVIDENCE.
Next Please
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Rekless Revenge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: Rekless Revenge
Originally by: Flaming sambuka Have fun debunking that, want more?
See my previous message, the one with the fixed link 
Your link does not debunk anything? did you even read it yourself?
Yes I have.
Please explain in more detail precisely what part of this book doesn't debunk anything? You can buy the book at Amazon at the bottom of review which I provided the link for.
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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar PAK
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:24:00 -
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Sarraqqite:
That not enough wreckage for you? Haha, that is the best you can do, when you say NO WRECKAGE, and I give you pictures of wreckage? You should be a comedian.
Where is your proof supporting your claim that they can withstand multiple impacts?
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Ceramik
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka 1. steel melts at 2600 degrees Celcius, the hottest the fire in the world trade centers could have reached was 800 degrees Celcius, and for an amount of time shorter than ten minutes.
2. the arab "hijackers" were deemed unable to fly a single engine plane by their instructor, and the planes on 9/11 were flown with military precision
3. Both buildings were hit with a 20 level difference in floors, were hit in different areas and yet they both fell the same exact way. In order for the buildings to fall this way, the bolts would all have to give way on one floor at the same time.
4. At the pentagon, there was no evidence of wing reckage, people reckage or even a plane at all. In fact, supposedly the plane flew between two telephone poles whose distance apart was smaller than the wingspan of a boeing 757.
5. Black boxes are meant to resist just about everything: in fact an impact of 3400 G's, in comparison, astronauts experience 6 Gs during take off. The plane that hit in Penn. was going around 500 m/h and which would create an impact far under 3400 G's... ALL 8 of the black boxes simply dissappeared
6. Not one body remain was found. Body remains are always found.
7. The chances of 3 cell phones to go through on a plane is about 1/1000. the chances of 13 cell phone calls going through is next to impossible.
8. The south tower was the second tower hit. most of the fuel and burning took place OUTSIDE the building, in fact the plane didn't hit any of the supports, and yet this building fell twice as fast as the first tower that was hit.
9. There were reports of the world trade center 7 having bombs going off, covered nicely by CNN.
10. The same people who cleaned up the Oklahoma City Bombing cleaned up this mess also.
11. The concrete went to tiny dust particles for no apparent reason, not only that, but there were no large peices of steel remaining from the fall.
12. "Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.....Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures. "It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said in a phone interview from Washington, D.C."...But Romero recanted ten days later and admitted the whole thing was perfectly natural and unsurprising. I wonder what happened in those ten days to make him so smart on the subject so quickly." (J. McMichael)
13. When planes hit buildings, their wings fall off, however in videos, the planes seem to go strait through the building.
14. The plane which hit the pentagon and the plane which hit the world trade center were carrying relatively the same amount of fuel, yet there was barely an explosion at the pentagon.
15. Seismographs in other cities measured the impacts and the fall of the buildings. The second impact had a smaller measurement than the first, however it had a larger explosion. The first impact, which had a smaller explosion had the largest marking. Not only that, but the buildings falling were insignificant on the seismograph in comparison to the impacts.
Have fun debunking that, want more? www.google.com
Sources for all of that please.
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Flaming sambuka
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Flaming sambuka on 11/09/2006 20:26:33 In the end this is going to wind up as my debunk debunks you debunk for my debunk and so on... so im gonna stop. There is evidence to debunk some evidence i have said but then theres counter evidence . i suppose in the end its just a matter of weighing it all up and believing or denying.
Edit: for ceramick, source + more http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_conspiracy_theory_index.html
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Micia
Minmatar N.A.S.A. Cobra Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:27:00 -
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On a lighter note, I'm finding it difficult to accept conspirational-type theories from someone whose sig indicates that Chuck Norris does indeed have supernatural abilities.  _______
Originally by: Devian 666 I use my mining disruptor, mining nos, mining hvy launchers and mining valks/acolytes on them.
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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar PAK
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Micia On a lighter note, I'm finding it difficult to accept conspirational-type theories from someone whose sig indicates that Chuck Norris does indeed have supernatural abilities. 
He doesn't?
CRAP
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Rekless Revenj
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka Edited by: Flaming sambuka on 11/09/2006 20:26:33 In the end this is going to wind up as my debunk debunks you debunk for my debunk and so on...
No, true belief is not based on a partial score. You either believe or you don't, you are not allowed to sit on the fence and have a half belief! Read the book, then you can truly say you have truly researched the subject 
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Sarraqqite
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:35:00 -
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Wreckage you say?..hmmm plane wreckage ,dont look look a plane hit the pentagoen,you must think that a boeing 757 can do that amount of damage and leave small bits and peices on the lawn.think if a plane did hit it,it would leave a hole much much bigger then the one in the pictures And what a bummer for the hijackers hitting the side of the pentagoen that was being renovated at the time.
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Goruter
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:35:00 -
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This is not the place to discuss a topic like this, even if it is OOP. As far as I know none of you are experts either, Popular Mechanics reporters aren't experts (although they go to them, they put "They're take" with they're spin on things in the magazine.) I, as an American, am suspicious of both parties (Those being the terrorist organisation, and the government). Things don't add up, and as an American I feel it is my duty to look into these things for myself, and those who do and are vocal about it are just doing their duty. My favorite part of the Constitution of the U.S. is where it states that if any person feels that the government is not working in their best interests, it is their duty to do something about it, even if they're the only ones they know of who think like they do. You have to understand when arguing about conspiracy theories is that some of them are only doing what they feel is their duty as a citizen of their contry. Now sure, some of them are looneys, or don't know what they're talking about, and are probably so stubborn that you could argue to them 'till the cows come home and not change their minds, just as there are citizens who do not want to believe in anything but the fact that their government is doing everything in their best interest. People like this give conspiracy theorists a bad name, and take away credibility, but they're not all like that. Someting that scares me is that anyone who takes an interest in all sides of this conflict and look at them both in a serious manner is shunned as someone who wears a "Tin-foil-hat." Since when did seriously looking at someone's arguments, who may not agree with what you think, and possibly agree with all or part of them, become the accepted trend? I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I know I am not the only one who thinks this way. Also, an online games forum is not going to be a place where people will take a debate as serious as this seriously. Sure, there may be some legitimate debate, but doing this is just begging to cause problems. Lastly, as mentioned earlier in this thread, there will be plenty of time to argue this on any other day, but today should be spent remembering the innocents and the heroes who died in 9/11/01. |

Ozawi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka 1. steel melts at 2600 degrees Celcius, the hottest the fire in the world trade centers could have reached was 800 degrees Celcius, and for an amount of time shorter than ten minutes.
Swing and a miss. Not off to a good start. 2600* F maybe, which is about 1370* C http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
And that's to outright melt it. The temperature at which it will lose structural integrity, and no longer be able to support the massive weight of a skyscraper is well lower. The temperature you're *trying* to refer to, is the point to liquify it. Please go study physics and come back.
Originally by: Flaming sambuka
6. Not one body remain was found. Body remains are always found.
Wow, beyond a lack of credibily right there.
Please go repeat that bit to the people that I personally know here in NYC that volunteered to help with debris removal, and had to pick up / sort fingers, arms, and some parts identifiable.
I'm not a violent person, but I think I might just put a couple of your teeth out if you were saying that to my face at the moment.
Too much work left to do at the office to refute every point. But wow...just wow.
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spRAYed
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:40:00 -
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Ok, i'm convinced. I just spoke to an old corp mate who lives in NY. Said that it is very much of a coincidence that too many things happend and whent wrong around that date.
Wich makes it easy to make it look like 1 big setup. Still he agreed that some things are a bit messy...like Bush his Brother, people fired or moved positions inside the US government in favor of the terrorists. And i still believe there was pre-knowlegde like most people believe. At least thats prooven.
But....i dont care anymore. Stupid to even make a post about it. I thought i knew both sides now, but there isn't 2 sides...there's 3. **** teh Media...
Apoligise to those who where Offended. But once again. I'm not a omgwhatreallyhappend.com person. Just a bit shocked with partly disinformation.
For those who thought i was stupid etc etc, and made fun of me not being 100% able to speak fluent english. (Like americans do lol) Go make a sign of Jesus and little Tanks marching over your little Globe. Nubs.
Srry.
Ray. ------------------------------
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: spRAYed
Pure Blathering Stupidity
You God Damn ******* piece of trash.
Take this God Damned trash conspiracy theory and shove it up you God Damned ass.
CCP, DELETE THIS THREAD, NO LOCK. DELETE. and warn that bastard to NEVER post such trash here again. It has NO place here.
spRAYed, its folks like you who make excuses foe butchers like Stalin, Mao, or ******. Expect to be treated like the trash that you are.
20 years and counting, U.S. Air Force Emergency Management (I WRITE the plans for the response when a aircraft crashes, among other things....).
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:46:00 -
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IBTL. All we know is what happened, happened. 3000 people died and that's the end of that.
Mods, please lock before it gets nasty. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |

Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 11/09/2006 20:50:39 double post
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:50:00 -
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CCP, this thread is MORE OFFENSIVE than one celebrating the holocaust (you can find plenty of such threads on teh interent. Just go to site run by folks the US is fighting...).
Delete it. Don't let the moron's who like such trash spread their trash here.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Ceramik
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka Edited by: Flaming sambuka on 11/09/2006 20:26:33 In the end this is going to wind up as my debunk debunks you debunk for my debunk and so on... so im gonna stop. There is evidence to debunk some evidence i have said but then theres counter evidence . i suppose in the end its just a matter of weighing it all up and believing or denying.
Edit: for ceramick, source + more http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_conspiracy_theory_index.html
broken link
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SpaceCleaver
Minmatar Crimson Squall
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:03:00 -
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No matter how good arguments each side has we'll never know the truth. It's been 5 years. Unless you were there and was able to see everthing at every moment and investigate everything afterwards you'll never have a reliable source. No matter how much we love the internet it is not a reliable source - you can write whatever you want. There will always be someone with the opposite oppinion.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceCleaver No matter how good arguments each side has we'll never know the truth. It's been 5 years. Unless you were there and was able to see everthing at every moment and investigate everything afterwards you'll never have a reliable source. No matter how much we love the internet it is not a reliable source - you can write whatever you want. There will always be someone with the opposite oppinion.
However there are peer-reviewed scientific journals.
--[23] Member--
Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:08:00 -
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sgt spot it is exactly that kind of attitude that makes people like the OP (and myself) not trust what you have to say. Why can't we talk about it? Perhaps this isn't the right place, but then, where is? It's ok for NBC to do a docu-drama about that day, but not to discuss it with our peers?
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:08:00 -
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The conspiracy theories are rubbish.
Enuff said.
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:13:00 -
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Watch this
It's a long comprehensive video full of evidence against the attacks. Very interesting.
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