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Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.26 10:10:05 -
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I only have about 1m sp, my gnosis got ganked and blown up recently so I figured I I'd try ratting with vexor but my dps is really low and I do follow the faction damage type cheat sheet but I still kill things very slowly. Any tips what ships and fit would work for new players with low sp to efficiently rat in null sec?  |

ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
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Posted - 2014.12.26 14:26:32 -
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a vexor is a solid choice. i like the enyo too, but you will need a few more SP for that.
you just need SP. 1 mil SP is very limiting, but even a little commitment and you will have more than enough to make a vexor shred belt rats.
just remember, take it slow.....eve is harsh for those that rush it. |

Justin Zaine
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.26 18:45:50 -
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Yeah, Vexor is probably one of the better options for what you're trying to do. You're limited by your SP, so all you can really do is wait. Make sure you're training relevant skills (Drone/Armor) if you want to make the most effective use of the ship. |

Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.26 19:50:28 -
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can probably do just as well in an algos tbh. Get under guns and blast them |

FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
749
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Posted - 2014.12.26 20:09:08 -
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I know a lot of people who are very effective with a Vexor.
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Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.26 21:55:15 -
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Perhaps my fitting is kinda off or I jsut dont have enough sp to make vexor effective but this is the fit I'm using
I have around 100ish turret dps and 170 Drone DPS, my tank is kinda ok and have no issues so far. The main problem lies on my slow dps and it take ages to take them down.
Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Wasp x 1 Vespa x 2 Hornet x 1
If you guys got any tips/adjustments how to fit my vexor properly do let me know! |

Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:05:51 -
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best damage setup for drones in a vexor would be 2x heavy 2x medium 1x light
most likely whats holding you back is drone skills and gallente cruiser
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Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:07:33 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:best damage setup for drones in a vexor would be 2x heavy 2x medium 1x light
most likely whats holding you back is drone skills and gallente cruiser
Oh yeah tahts what I have, I meant to type Wasp x 2. that was a typo |

Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:08:28 -
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you will want to get drone interfacing to 3, gallente cruiser 4 for the biggest increases in damage for time spent
then start working up to tech 2 drones starting with lights |

Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:15:40 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:you will want to get drone interfacing to 3, gallente cruiser 4 for the biggest increases in damage for time spent
then start working up to tech 2 drones starting with lights
Yeah I have Drone interfacing to 3 but only 3 on gallente cruiser. I was thinking of getting more level on drone interfacing to get my sentry drones online for VNI instead of getting tech 2 drones on light,med,heavy since those will take a lot of time to train and might not become as useful as sentry drones?
Also what are your thoughts on Gila? I dont really like the price but Ishtar will prolly take 50 more days or so for me train. Gila is something I'm considering while slowly working towards my ishtar. |
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1680
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Posted - 2014.12.27 00:14:15 -
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Gila is good with mediums. I wouldn't rush T2 sentries because it is a very long train. Just get them to 4 and use faction sentries. They are pretty good and not too expensive.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Justin Zaine
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:14:05 -
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Zappity wrote:Gila is good with mediums. I wouldn't rush T2 sentries because it is a very long train. Just get them to 4 and use faction sentries. They are pretty good and not too expensive.
OP probably isn't interested in cross training for the Gila, though yeah it is good.
Algos is also sufficient but I'd say that Vexor is the best bang for your buck in this instance.
A couple suggestions on your fit:
- If you're going for dps, use all Gallente drones. - Maybe try fitting Blasters. Don't know if you have the PG for it but if you can tank the rat dps it's worth a try. - If you find that you've got more tank than necessary, trade out some low slots for more DDA's. - Take off those cap rigs asap and change them out for drone rigs.
I don't fly Vexor's in PVP let alone PVE so I don't really know if these suggestions will work for you, but try them out and see if you cant squeeze out any more dps than you currently have. |

Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:19:26 -
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Justin Zaine wrote:Zappity wrote:Gila is good with mediums. I wouldn't rush T2 sentries because it is a very long train. Just get them to 4 and use faction sentries. They are pretty good and not too expensive. OP probably isn't interested in cross training for the Gila, though yeah it is good. Algos is also sufficient but I'd say that Vexor is the best bang for your buck in this instance. A couple suggestions on your fit: - If you're going for dps, use all Gallente drones. - Maybe try fitting Blasters. Don't know if you have the PG for it but if you can tank the rat dps it's worth a try. - If you find that you've got more tank than necessary, trade out some low slots for more DDA's. - Take off those cap rigs asap and change them out for drone rigs. I don't fly Vexor's in PVP let alone PVE so I don't really know if these suggestions will work for you, but try them out and see if you cant squeeze out any more dps than you currently have.
I dont think algos will work since I'm ratting in nullsec and mostly fights rats with 1m+ isk bounties, I forgot the ship size but I think its BC's? my vexor could barely tank 2 of them I just dont see algos a viable option for me unless your talking about some cheesy strat fits like kiting or something but I'll be worried about algos dps as well. |

Justin Zaine
The Scope Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.12.27 04:25:14 -
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Ezpzy wrote:Justin Zaine wrote:Zappity wrote:Gila is good with mediums. I wouldn't rush T2 sentries because it is a very long train. Just get them to 4 and use faction sentries. They are pretty good and not too expensive. OP probably isn't interested in cross training for the Gila, though yeah it is good. Algos is also sufficient but I'd say that Vexor is the best bang for your buck in this instance. A couple suggestions on your fit: - If you're going for dps, use all Gallente drones. - Maybe try fitting Blasters. Don't know if you have the PG for it but if you can tank the rat dps it's worth a try. - If you find that you've got more tank than necessary, trade out some low slots for more DDA's. - Take off those cap rigs asap and change them out for drone rigs. I don't fly Vexor's in PVP let alone PVE so I don't really know if these suggestions will work for you, but try them out and see if you cant squeeze out any more dps than you currently have. I dont think algos will work since I'm ratting in nullsec and mostly fights rats with 1m+ isk bounties, I forgot the ship size but I think its BC's? my vexor could barely tank 2 of them I just dont see algos a viable option for me unless your talking about some cheesy strat fits like kiting or something but I'll be worried about algos dps as well.
Oops I overlooked the part where you said it was in null.
In that case at your SP level, yeah Algos is too small. (It's a Destroyer, btw.) Most new players end up compensating for lack of SP by flying bigger, naturally tankier ships. It's not the right thing to do in most situations but meh...it works.
If you're ratting in null and wanna try to make the Vexor work, go for it. If you find that too difficult then you may even want to move up to the BC or BS level. Myrmidon or Dominix is your best choice in either case.
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.27 13:00:06 -
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algos will work fine, you just need to stick an afterburner on it and orbit close so the rats cannot hit you. |

Meyr
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
381
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Posted - 2014.12.27 14:25:51 -
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Your fit is similar to what I've used to rat in several different regions of nullsec, so you've got the right concept. Like was suggested above, consider blasters until your gun skills improve, and, since your hardeners are kin/therm, go with Gallente drones.
My question is, why do you rat in nullsec? Your fit and low SP really won't allow you to kill high-bounty rats very well, so is there a specific reason you're in a particular area? If you're just after ISK/hour, have you considered moving to lowsec? Any region where you can get 4 jumps deep from a hisec border should work, and the population in those areas tends to be low, particularly if it's not a faction warfare region. You'll still occasionally get a faction rat, but you'll also get the ones who drop the tags pirates trade in for sec status, and those sell VERY well. Since the rats will be mostly cruisers and battlecruisers, you may actually find that your income improves, since you'll be able to mow them down much faster than battleships. Plus, there are lots of NPC stations to doc up in, and several lowsec region have fairly well-stocked and active markets.
Just a few thoughts. As a target to work towards, here's my fit:
[Vexor, Vexor] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Warp Scrambler II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Hammerhead II x5
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Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.28 11:09:18 -
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Meyr wrote:Your fit is similar to what I've used to rat in several different regions of nullsec, so you've got the right concept. Like was suggested above, consider blasters until your gun skills improve, and, since your hardeners are kin/therm, go with Gallente drones.
My question is, why do you rat in nullsec? Your fit and low SP really won't allow you to kill high-bounty rats very well, so is there a specific reason you're in a particular area? If you're just after ISK/hour, have you considered moving to lowsec? Any region where you can get 4 jumps deep from a hisec border should work, and the population in those areas tends to be low, particularly if it's not a faction warfare region. You'll still occasionally get a faction rat, but you'll also get the ones who drop the tags pirates trade in for sec status, and those sell VERY well. Since the rats will be mostly cruisers and battlecruisers, you may actually find that your income improves, since you'll be able to mow them down much faster than battleships. Plus, there are lots of NPC stations to doc up in, and several lowsec region have fairly well-stocked and active markets.
Just a few thoughts. As a target to work towards, here's my fit:
[Vexor, Vexor] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Warp Scrambler II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
The T2 rigs are the only pricey parts, T1's will work just fine. Use the ECM drones to bail out of a fight you don't want. Also, don't forget to pack longer-ranged ammo, not just antimatter, and don't be afraid of using faction ammo to boost your DPS. You can see by the fit, I'm a big believer in having good tracking, as this will land more shots on target. Option 1, consider swapping out the Tracking Computer for a Target Painter. Option 2, Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer for a bit more short-term staying power.
Good luck, and let us know how you do!
Thanks for the input! I'm ratting in nullsec just to make some money I can use for pvp. I dont have any mining skills or explo so figured ratting would be my best option to make some money. I tried your fit on EFT and it only shows around 200-250 dps, this is my main problem. My dps is too low to make a good amount of money while ratting. Currently running gnosis with 320ish dps which works kinda ok but still rather low in dps and moves really damn slow. |

Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1681
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Posted - 2014.12.28 12:00:33 -
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Yeah, I'd consider lowsec belt ratting. You are hunting for specific drops (Clone Soldiers for sec tags and Mordu's Legion for ship BPCs) so you aren't so exposed to low 'ticks' due to low DPS. Most of your time is spent looking for them.
Just avoid FW regions or you will meet someone like me pretty quickly. Concentrate on 0.1 and 0.2 systems. Asteroid fields.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Meyr
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
382
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Posted - 2014.12.29 04:00:02 -
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Yeah, my fit works a bit better when you have a few more years of training. :)
That said, even with your lower DPS, it will work well in lowsec, just adapt it with one EANM and one DDA. |

Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.29 04:06:38 -
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Meyr wrote:Yeah, my fit works a bit better when you have a few more years of training. :)
That said, even with your lower DPS, it will work well in lowsec, just adapt it with one EANM and one DDA.
I'm more comfortable ratting in nullsec within our alliance territory than going through lowsec outside our territory. Also since I have access to battlecruisers now I was thinking if I should go VNI or myrm, although I dont have sentry drones yet VNI with 5 heavies have more dps than my gnosis atm. I'm also not that far away from battleship like dominix but I don't know if I should rush into that? I heard Dominix are really good, I just dont know if its wise to rush into battleships at this moment. |
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1687
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Posted - 2014.12.29 05:37:54 -
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In that case can't you team up with a corpie?
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Perkin Warbeck
Black Watch Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
185
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Posted - 2014.12.29 07:48:53 -
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Take a look at the 100mn AB Vexor Navy Issue that Brave Newbies use. It is very, very effective in most null sec anoms and is good for low SP pilots even if it isn't the cheapest fit around (it's around 100mill). |

Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.29 08:54:55 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Take a look at the 100mn AB Vexor Navy Issue that Brave Newbies use. It is very, very effective in most null sec anoms and is good for low SP pilots even if it isn't the cheapest fit around (it's around 100mill).
Can you give me a link? I cant find it in google for some reason |

Perkin Warbeck
Black Watch Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
185
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Posted - 2014.12.29 10:18:42 -
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Ezpzy wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:Take a look at the 100mn AB Vexor Navy Issue that Brave Newbies use. It is very, very effective in most null sec anoms and is good for low SP pilots even if it isn't the cheapest fit around (it's around 100mill). Can you give me a link? I cant find it in google for some reason
I think this is the one they use in Catch (fitted for Sansha rats). I'm sure a Brave Newbie will correct me if I'm wrong.
Orbit an MTU at about 50km with afterburner on and use the Imperial Navy Praetors or T2 heavies if you can use them.
[Vexor Navy Issue - Brave PvE ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Capacitor Power Relay II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
100MN Afterburner II Drone Navigation Computer I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Acolyte II x5 Imperial Navy Praetor x5 Infiltrator II x5
An added bonus is that they are actually pretty hard to hot drop as they often coast out of range by the time your cloaking penalty finishes and you can finally lock them.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2014.12.29 19:56:33 -
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Vexor is a solid choice and if you stick with it the Ishtar is an awesome next step. You seem to be on the right track.
I've posted this a million times before but if you are shooting at a NPC that is repairing 100 DPS and you are dishing out 110 DPS then a 10 DPS increase will cut the time to kill that rat in half. Yes at your skills it will take a while but on the up side with just a couple skill ups it will get much much better. It's a lot more fun to be where you are then to be training a skill for a month only to not even notice the difference when it's done.
You are at a very fun part of the game enjoy it while it lasts. Yes there are benefits to having high skill points but don't over look the benefits to having low skill points. Enjoy where you are in the game . |

Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
54
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Posted - 2014.12.30 09:00:22 -
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VNI \o/ Not sure if you can afford it or how safe your ratting space is, but I ran this and it worked (Sansha Forsaken Hubs solo) [Vexor Navy Issue, Speed Tank] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Thermic Membrane II
100MN Afterburner II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Imperial Navy Praetor x5
Mids to taste. Replace Thermic Membrane with w/e gives best bonus for your rats. Replaces Drones with w/e for your rats. Don't need to faction, t1 might be a good idea because of drone aggro. Pulse Rep whenever you need it. Orbit something in the middle of the site at drone control range-(5-10)k. Highs/mids to taste, I recommend drone nav computer*2 and target painter. DLA in the highs. If the tank isn't enough, try dropping a DDA for another membrane. And train up the compensation skills. |

Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.30 09:54:25 -
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I tried the 100mn VNI fit but I dont think it'll work on low sp character. I tried the fit using EFT and my cap isnt stable with my character. cap rans out at 2:12 and I think it would only work if its stable or at least 10mins+ otherwise I dont think 2:12 is enough to clear these rats. if my cap rans out I'm pretty much dead. |

Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
54
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Posted - 2014.12.30 09:58:29 -
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Ezpzy wrote:I tried the 100mn VNI fit but I dont think it'll work on low sp character. I tried the fit using EFT and my cap isnt stable with my character. cap rans out at 2:12 and I think it would only work if its stable or at least 10mins+ otherwise I dont think 2:12 is enough to clear these rats. if my cap rans out I'm pretty much dead. Doesn't need to be cap stable. Most of the damage should be mitigated by the speed, and the repper to get through the damage that does bypass that. |

Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
774
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Posted - 2014.12.30 10:07:46 -
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Yeah, people really need to stop focusing on getting pve ships cap stable. While it is nice to be able to run everything and not worry about it, it's usually at a cost of performance.
You should be aiming to be not a lazy pilot. |

Ezpzy
House of the Dead Monkey SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.30 10:19:22 -
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I tried it again with EFT, just with AB on my cap last 1m 43s. Having both armor rep and AB on will only last 53 second. I only have 1.2m sp, only been playing for like 2 weeks. |
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