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d0sage Amarr Elite Six Industries The Confederation	Posted - 2006.09.12 13:44:00 - [1] Edited by: d0sage on 12/09/2006 13:45:24 I'll get straight to the point... i'm fed up of macro miners, isk farmers and complex farmers... so much so that i'm willing to stop playing until action is taken by CCP against them! So here it is, my final stand... if you are willing to show that macro players are causing a nuisance and are willing to stop playing for a little while.. be it a day or a week... this is a strike until something is done! I may be the only one to sign, but i'm sure i'm not the only person with this argument! So Sign below or agree to a strike to show your anger, and hopeufully CCP will see the loss in players and take action... ban me if you will, but this needs to be done! Signed - d0sage
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.12 13:47:00 - [2] Hooray! Less lag for the rest of us! The new BFG.
Malfeyus	Posted - 2006.09.12 13:50:00 - [3] Totally agree.
Gericault m0id Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.09.12 13:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Gericault m0id on 12/09/2006 13:54:18 Unfortunately, the only way such strike would have any effect is if you got a large number of people that sign this to stop subscribing for a while. To CCP a day/week of non-play by a few hundred people will go unnoticed with the exception of fewer lag petitions perhaps. In addition, although they're a pain to miners, macro-miners provide cheaper minerals which means cheaper ships for the player population which likes to fight. If there was an effective way to boot macro-miners there'll be a sudden hike in prices and a slow movement towards equilibrium as regular players turn to mining as a profitable activity again. Anyway. /signed, or something (although you're going to have a hard time getting BoB et al. out of all 10/10 complexes
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.12 13:55:00 - [5] But, but... killing macro miners is fun! :( --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:07:00 - [6] Read my sig. Nothing new... we've been poking CCP about this for over a year, and so far: No action has been taken. Used to be you could bump them out of position... but they've put in a stealth change. Bumping no longer works for crap, you barely even budge anything with a full speed MWD BS. - ISK Pharmers & Alt spies: A solution Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Caleb Paine adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:12:00 - [7] The solution is to be happy about it when you find some, grab your hauler and get rich! \o/ -------------------------------- I'm looking for a good signature artist click here
St Dragon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:15:00 - [8] Wont work as it takes time to ident macros as it is. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Caleb Paine The solution is to be happy about it when you find some, grab your hauler and get rich! \o/ If you get rich from stealing from a macro miner, you get banned aswell. Ship lovers click here
d0sage Amarr Elite Six Industries The Confederation	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:26:00 - [10] If they removed windowed mode would it stop macro's from running?
digital0verdose Caldari Megathorn Minning And Industry	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:47:00 - [11] Create canisters with the same name as the "macroer's" and destroy the beotch when he opens yours.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.12 14:52:00 - [12] I'd say macroers are far from the main problem lately, good thing though that different people work at different things at CCP though. And a strike won't help one bit, let me assure you, especially with the mighty numbers you brought.
Aceoil Anti-Macro Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Hellspawn01 If you get rich from stealing from a macro miner, you get banned aswell. Btw, signed. I wouldnt mind if the client had a small scanner to check if any macro proggys run in the backround to kill them. Stealing from a macro miner and getting rich gets one banned? How so? And if so, stealing is a perfectly normal part of gameplay. There is no reason I should be banned for my theifing acts. In response to the original poster, I have started an Anti-Macro coalition to put an end to macro miners as we know it. I intend to have 200 people in my corporation eventually, all stealing, bumping, and blowing up macro's every night. We can have lots and lots of fun with the macro's. It's time the players made a difference since CCP wants to sit on the bench.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Aceoil Originally by: Hellspawn01 If you get rich from stealing from a macro miner, you get banned aswell. Btw, signed. I wouldnt mind if the client had a small scanner to check if any macro proggys run in the backround to kill them. Stealing from a macro miner and getting rich gets one banned? How so? And if so, stealing is a perfectly normal part of gameplay. There is no reason I should be banned for my theifing acts. Macro¦s are against the EULA and if you make profit from someone that used macros than you are also breaking the rules. Its been verified by a CCP employee. I try to find the quote for you. Ship lovers click here
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Too Kind on 12/09/2006 15:30:12 Originally by: Hellspawn01 Macro¦s are against the EULA and if you make profit from someone that used macros than you are also breaking the rules. Its been verified by a CCP employee. I try to find the quote for you. Think the main problem is that they don't know, if you are stealing or working together with them. Well, if they want you to petition them fist, I'd do that. But as long as even CCP isn't sure that they are macro miners and don't ban them, I think they can't ban you for stealing from a 'may be' macro miner. Would be a contradiction somehow. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Darktec Caldari QUANT Corp.	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Aceoil Originally by: Hellspawn01 If you get rich from stealing from a macro miner, you get banned aswell. Btw, signed. I wouldnt mind if the client had a small scanner to check if any macro proggys run in the backround to kill them. Stealing from a macro miner and getting rich gets one banned? How so? And if so, stealing is a perfectly normal part of gameplay. There is no reason I should be banned for my theifing acts. Macro¦s are against the EULA and if you make profit from someone that used macros than you are also breaking the rules. Its been verified by a CCP employee. I try to find the quote for you. No, all you have to do , is report them ONCE. then you can steal all you want. I used to do it in my old home system, macroers moved in, i reported/stole from them, made some bank, macro miners left So, just report them and go to town.
Yahtoja	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:37:00 - [17] Originally by: d0sage If they removed windowed mode would it stop macro's from running? And get an instant repeated podding if that happens, as you've suggested something that stops me playing the way I want. I play in wondowed mode so that I can do other stuff whilst being bored travelling, ratting etc.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:37:00 - [18] To those who say you get banned from stealing from a macro, no you don't .. you can be punished if you steal from a macro without reporting first... So report a macro, steal .. and you get to keep everything.... To OP... think it have been almost a year since I first suggested what you did, I was so fed up by macrominers that you would not belive it, it did ruin my game experience as I like sitting mining and ****... that is where I was training towards, I where a miner and a producer... still am. To be honest I have seen less and less macrominers in domain, there still might be some but honestly I have not been looking much, and I definitly have not touched much ore... infact I have moved more and more into production and bought minerals straight from the market, now I only got a problem finding enough Mexallon for the most to my production. Well there is but the cost of it makes it difficult to be in competition with others.. seems that many does not think that the ore they mine is probably worth more... if they had sold it. Like someone selling 32 thoraxes for 6.3 million isk... while my production cost is for a thorax is 6.2 million isk... does not leave me much to compete does it ? and btw.. got perfect building skills and my bpo is researched well .. ME 16 or more.. Anyway .. back to topic... macroers... I seriously doubt CCP will do more to help out there, and I seriously doubt that enough people would cancel their subscription in strike... I know I would do that, infact I moved from paying every 6 months to every month just so I can cancel my subscription in a moments notice. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.09.12 15:53:00 - [19] what is a isk farmer?? - Tides of Silence recruiting miners and overall fun people
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.12 16:21:00 - [20] I am not even 1% effected by macro miners and farmers, therefore i say "**** you" -------------------------- AHH the Stupid forum DELETED(!) all my mod chat in my sig when i added this image :(
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.12 16:43:00 - [21] Dude..No. Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
Aceoil Anti-Macro Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.12 17:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Splagada what is a isk farmer?? An ISK farmer is a person who runs 8 computers with 8 different EvE accounts, mining low end ore all day. After mining they refine the ore into minerals, they sell the minerals for ISK. They turn around and sell the ISK for real life cash, and make themselves a tidy profit. * In turn I come into the belts where these guys are mining, and steal the ore, they get fustrated and leave the system after about an hour of my stealing. They then travel a few jumps and have to get setup again for mining. The the time they take to get packed up, move, and unpack, it costs them time, and time is money. OR an ISK farmer can be a person who runs the 4/10, 5/10, 6/10, 7/10 or whatever deadspace complex for the loot. They sell the loot for ISK, and then again sell the ISK for real life cash. We call these ISK farmers macro miners. I use macro miner as a blanket term to cover all the bases.
Khemul Zula Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.12 17:23:00 - [23] I'm going on strike until CCP bans mission runners! But seriously...what do you propose CCP bans ISK farmers and complex farmers for? Oh no they play a lot and do that same action over and over! Ban them! The "macro miner" problem isn't nearly as big as people make it out to be. It's just that people are told it is so they see an empty belt or complex and all the sudden think 'It must be a macro miner.' Oh and if you think a strike will help you. Think of how many accounts an ISK farmer pays for and how many you have and then think about whether CCP would rather lose you or them. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 12/09/2006 14:18:00 Originally by: Caleb Paine The solution is to be happy about it when you find some, grab your hauler and get rich! \o/ If you get rich from stealing from a macro miner, you get banned aswell. Name someone who has. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
Benjen Karstark	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:19:00 - [25] So how does one tell a "Marco Miner" from a regular miner? As I would love to do a little reporting & looting. Or just post a link to somewhere were i can find this info.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:30:00 - [26] Catch 22 gets created by these farmers. See as the games grows and the economy gets inflated the players need mroe money to buy things, and thus the demand goes up and the farmers mutliply, this translates to increased subscribers which equals mroe money for the game company. So on top of the absurdity of the lame excuse they give " well we can;t be 100% certaina dn we won;t ban unless 100% certain..." it just takes money out of thier pocket to reduce the farmers numbers. Lineage2 has a very similar economy and unfortunately goes through the very SAME pattern that EVE is. Subscriber base is growing, everything is more expensive that it used to be and unfortunetly word gets out in these 3rd world countries and the farmers MULTIPLY. The problems always comes back to the basic flaw of the game that any old automated script can play the game as well as a player. so these people use the lowest denominator of time and the easiest most effectiv emethod to created scripted macros that auto playt eh game 23/7 making mnoney to sell.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Splagada what is a isk farmer?? Someone who breed and raise isk in their barn. Recruitment
Antodias Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't really see the issue with mining ice in 0.7 and lower for normal players tbh. It's not like the npc's there are actually dangerous is it ? On the other hand, it's not going to dent macros much either I think. Putting a small repairer on autorepeat isn't exactly hard. And I'd suspect that's about all it takes really. We'll see. From a perspective of population control it does make sense tho, so all in all I'd still say it's a good move. I can see if the reason was mainly to make ICE mining more profitable, but honestly, to do that you need to eradicate the MM's & farmers FIRST! This is a laughable solution IMO. CCP has shown with this "solution" , that they are incapable, or unwilling to put in the effort to remove farmers & MM's from the game... OK, I'm getting mildly offended by you now, Bhaal. That's just ridiculous. In june, close to 1000 paying accounts were banned. You do the math on how much that costs us financially. Then go bark up some other tree. And tools, well, do you think we have GMs flying around space looking for them or do you think we have tools to detect them? This is a trick question, do you want me to give you a hint? Whining about macrominers gets you spanked by Oveur.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:47:00 - [29] I bet you had that copied and pasted into your notebook just for an occasion like this Recruitment
Lucio Gallente Incorporated Holdings	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:49:00 - [30] /signed Ban the idiots. CCP should just transfer all Chinese IP address accounts to the China cluster. Yes it looks like racial prejudice but so far I haven't encountered a macrominer who hasn't replied in Chinese text when I've repeatedly rammed their barges out of alignment :) ************************************************ Yes, I know I have a negative sec. status but I'm not a pirate damnit!

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