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AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Omega Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:09:00 - [1] Ok, lets have it. What is THE best Assault frigate out there, whos got the best DPS whilst being able to tank enough damage. Whats the best when it comes to solo flying, whats the best when it comes to small gang warfare? So.. whats the ULTIMATE assault frigate?
Shandling	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:20:00 - [2] I hear a lot of people touting the Ishkur/Enyo. I've never flown them, but I gotta tell you I LOVE my Jaguar and have beaten both Ishkurs and Enyos (and have been beaten by them too) so I'd say it really depends on your skills - both your skillpoints and your abilities as a pilot.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:35:00 - [3] Never flown one, but on paper, the jag makes me drool. Very nice even shield resist, plus the ability to choose damage types. You might as well be shooting spitballs with a Harpy against a Gallente or Caldar AF.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:38:00 - [4] Jag and Ishkur are my favourites. Harpy is very good for fleet support though, can get 100k range with it reasonably easily which pops support frigs approaching main fleet very well. CEO - Art of War
Archo X Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:48:00 - [5] I always liked my alt with a Retri... Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes I got h4xXx0rzed!!!!11!!on3!!!111!1el3ventEEn!!!11 N3RF teh modz!!!
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Omega Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:53:00 - [6] Ishkur seems to be winning thus far then... I'll be purchasing an Ishkur on Friday, so its looking a good choice then.
dec0 Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:43:00 - [7] I love my harpy, the t2 rails can suck your cap a bit but just shove a t2 em hardener on it and you have a decent tank while having room to put a scrambler/webber/ab on. Probably isnt the best af, as i aint flown other races, but its still good
Darknar	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:52:00 - [8] i have been having success with the enyo. only problme with it is the limited predictable options. 4 T2 ion blasters or 4 T2 125mm rails i found that the high damage output enyo versus a high tank enyo serves better. although its fragile and better when you have several ships flying about with you this is the blaster equiped version the rail enyo on the other hand is better with a decent tank. in a fleet you want the extra dmage of the enyo gunboat at your side. specially when there is a squadron of at least 2 or 3 of em. ishkur on the other hand is a droneship. better suited in the tackling roll, and having its drone do the most damage. ive not got too much experiance with the other assalt ship varents, but i know that the enyo can solo 2 retributions and a wolf if you setup for long range rails, and they only have short ranged pulses or autos. only problem is unless you fit a scrambler they can run away and come back within a few minuets. so unless you have a MWD and or stabs you will have to keep fighting keeping outta range untll your ammo goes, or renforsments in the form of interceptors come in. possibly both. assalt ships are not ment to be solo pwan mobiles but some of them come close to it. they work so much better in frigate groups. /me dreams of seeing a group of ishtars, incursus and enyos flying about.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:56:00 - [9] I myself am finding that I like the vengeance. today I had a run in with an enemy T2 javelin torp raven. he couldn't break my tank with it so atm I rate the vengeance, the ishkur and the jaguar as pretty nasty beasts. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Darknar i have been having success with the enyo. only problme with it is the limited predictable options. 4 T2 ion blasters or 4 T2 125mm rails i found that the high damage output enyo versus a high tank enyo serves better. although its fragile and better when you have several ships flying about with you this is the blaster equiped version the rail enyo on the other hand is better with a decent tank. in a fleet you want the extra dmage of the enyo gunboat at your side. specially when there is a squadron of at least 2 or 3 of em. ishkur on the other hand is a droneship. better suited in the tackling roll, and having its drone do the most damage. ive not got too much experiance with the other assalt ship varents, but i know that the enyo can solo 2 retributions and a wolf if you setup for long range rails, and they only have short ranged pulses or autos. only problem is unless you fit a scrambler they can run away and come back within a few minuets. so unless you have a MWD and or stabs you will have to keep fighting keeping outta range untll your ammo goes, or renforsments in the form of interceptors come in. possibly both. assalt ships are not ment to be solo pwan mobiles but some of them come close to it. they work so much better in frigate groups. /me dreams of seeing a group of ishtars, incursus and enyos flying about. Enyo can solo 2 retributions and a wolf? were they afk? CEO - Art of War

Franky B Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:39:00 - [11] enyo's have a tremendous power reserve for fittings 4 T2 neutrons, 1 rocket launcher, MWD and tank can all fit and obviously pumps out incredible amounts of damage. best in small gangs mind you
Mr Trade	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:54:00 - [12] Wolf. 3 200s, 1 150, nos mwd ii, scram sar ii, 2 gyro ii, 1 nano Tanks are for the weak.
Flax Volcanus Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:44:00 - [13] I like the Wolf for tackling, the Ishkur for damage and the Jag for speed. But I could not get both good damage and a reasonable tank on the Jag, so I got rid of that one. On the fence about Hawk and Harpy, but I have one of each.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 01:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Trade Tanks are for the weak. say that when trying to kill a dual-rep retribution with therm hardener :S
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Flax Volcanus I like the Wolf for tackling, the Ishkur for damage and the Jag for speed. But I could not get both good damage and a reasonable tank on the Jag, so I got rid of that one. On the fence about Hawk and Harpy, but I have one of each. How do you tackle reliably with 2 mid slots? CEO - Art of War
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:10:00 - [16] Jaguar. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Kyguard Our Brothers Five 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:16:00 - [17] Ishkur and Vengeance hands down. === God is on the side with the best artillery.
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Flax Volcanus I like the Wolf for tackling, the Ishkur for damage and the Jag for speed. But I could not get both good damage and a reasonable tank on the Jag, so I got rid of that one. On the fence about Hawk and Harpy, but I have one of each. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Benglada Finite Auxiliary	Posted - 2006.09.14 03:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Benglada on 14/09/2006 03:27:23 damage: Gank neutron enyo tank:gistii hawk non faction tank:retribution range:hawk ghetto fab: Jaguar versatility: ishkur --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
zevex	Posted - 2006.09.14 05:36:00 - [20] Edited by: zevex on 14/09/2006 05:37:31 There is no question that the Retribution has a fantastic tank, and dishes out decent damage, but it onlt has one midslot so it is lousy for PvP. The Jag and the Enyo seem to be at the top of their game when engaging any assault frigs other than themselves and eachother. All other AF's should tremble in their presence, unless you are a sniping Harpy who has warped in at range(in which case the Jag/Enyo simply warps away). The setup that I fly on my Jag does 180+ DPS and has a nice passive tank. The only frig calss vessles that can break my tank before I kill them is the Enyo, a highly skilled Crow, or another Jag. (The Retribution can as well, but he does not count, as he cannot keep me as a target if I don't want him to.) So at the end of the day, I think that the Jag wins. It's the only one that can pick and chose which targets to engage, catch them, and then actually hold them down. All the while doing decent damage with a decent tank.

Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.14 07:33:00 - [21] I would say ishkur and jaguar. Ishkur packing warrior 2's is a nasty beast. I absolutely love my jaguar too. I find enyos are really lackign with only 2 mids as they can't web. Without the web they are pretty predictable if you just look at them as you're approaching. If i see they have blasters you just have to sit at around 7km and comfortable shoot away in your falloff. If they have rails on just zoom up real close and pound them in close. Granted i have always been in a jag for them. If i see an ishkur i'm usually like ** it and i leave. In rust we trust!!!**
Nicose Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:11:00 - [22] Harpy, hands down, no competition. the best AF
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Nicose Harpy, hands down, no competition. the best AF Nice sig, shame about the unfounded and explaination-free comment Harpy is great, but very specalised. Not the best all-rounder. And yes, I do fly one.
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Benglada Edited by: Benglada on 14/09/2006 03:27:23 damage: Gank neutron enyo tank:gistii hawk non faction tank:retribution range:hawk ghetto fab: Jaguar versatility: ishkur I'm pretty sure a skilled Ishkur pilot can outdamage an enyo. Same damage bonus, one less gun, but a more drone-based DPS. ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:28:00 - [25] pure dmg + tank = retribution hands down. i used to solo in this thing in syndicate back before people knew about it properly, can u say instapop ceptor before he realises hes in tha ****...(tanking a harpy and a crow indefinately 4tw) otherwise ishkur if u want a leisurely time of it Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:34:00 - [26] Crow > short range AF.
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:38:00 - [27] Originally by: welsh wizard Crow > short range AF. Useful comment > what you just said
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:48:00 - [28] I thought so. :)
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:51:00 - [29] Originally by: welsh wizard Crow > short range AF. crows can't break my passive jagabond ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Elisa Reaptear	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:55:00 - [30] dual mfs Enyo with neutrons and rockets is my fav. insane damage, you'll need to get fairly close tho



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